You have the right to object to whether or not that comes in. Do you have any objection to the court admitting that as an exhibit? For the advanced charge, your honor, I do. I object to this charge, your honor. Okay, we've discussed that already, Mr. Mackie. So, at this time I'm just asking whether or not you have an objection to the admission of the exhibit. Yes. And on what basis? This court is no longer has jurisdiction, your honor. Okay. >> Respectfully Well, that's non-responsive to the court's question. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to reflect that the defendant is objecting to the admission of State's Exhibit 1, but I will admit that over the defendant's objection. Welcome back, guys, to your favorite YouTube channel, No One Is Above the Law. I really want to get you guys' thoughts on this particular sovereign citizen on today. I want you to pay very close attention [music] to not only his argument, but some of the things that he says, and some of the bloops [music] and the blunders that we're going to see from this young man in this video. And on top of that, he's going against a judge that is known to not play any games. I am interested in hearing you guys' [music] thoughts, as always, down in the comments. So, let's go ahead and roll the footage. We're not leaving this court as we can do. Please be seated. All right, we are on the record in case number 25 TRD 01258, caption the State of Ohio versus Jeremiah Mackie, Jr. That's you, sir? Yes, sir. All right, so the record should reflect the defendant is present in the courtroom today. Ms. Uh Yager is here on behalf of the State of Ohio. And this matter is scheduled for a trial to the court. The defendant is charged with uh two counts of uh involving driver's license uh violations. One is driving under a um OVI suspension, uh and the other is driving under a um It looks like it's It says security on the citation, but according to the new uh Albany Municipal Code, it's basically just a driving under forfeiture. Um what I have is a financial responsibility. Yeah. Um so, the driving under an OVI charge or under a an OVI suspension charge is a first-degree misdemeanor. Uh carries up to 180 days jail, up to a $1,000 fine, and up to a 1-year license suspension. Does carry mandatory minimum penalties of up to or of at least $250 fine, a 1-day license suspension, and at least three consecutive days in Licking County jail. The other charge uh is an unclassified misdemeanor, I believe, is it not? Yes. Yeah. So, it doesn't carry any potential for jail time. And either way, if the could defendant were to enter pleas of guilty or be convicted of the offenses, uh they would merge for the purposes of sentencing. So, there'd only be one conviction. Um Miss Yeager, is the state ready to proceed with trial today? Um yes, sir. However, Mr. Mackey informed us he actually wanted this set for a jury trial, not a bench trial, today. All right. And Mr. Mackey, what do you have to say about that? She is absolutely correct, Your Honor. Also, uh as also I shared with her, as well, I have uh documents, you know, if in fact if I could serve the court Why don't you just tell me what you have there first? Um these These documents that I have is referred to a removal. That's been passed down from the court. And as well, my case is in fact on an appeal at the moment. On appeal where? I'm sorry. On appeal where? It's uh it's on an appeal. In what court is what I'm saying. Where Where Where have you filed an appeal? The Court of Appeals. Okay, which district? The 10th District. Okay. Now, that covers Franklin County, and we're in the 5th District Court of Appeals. >> I'm sorry, it's the 5th District. You're absolutely right. Um >> 5th District. I would I'm I'm assuming that your uh appellate paperwork is similar to what you've been submitting to the court. That's what it looks like. That one or this Well, just in general, all of your filings with this court are on this it's kind of unique. Um Well, it's a the documents are unique in that they're they're gray and they're typed in all caps and um uh one of them it looks like from what you just filed this morning was filed in the United States District Court in the District of New Jersey in the Newark Division. Um and this is obviously Newark, Ohio. Well, here's what I will tell you, Mr. Mackey, you do have the right to have a trial by jury, but um in order in a what we call a petty offense, and a petty offense is anything punishable by less than 1 year in prison, um a jury trial is not automatic. It has to be demanded and Rule 23 of the Ohio Rules of Criminal Procedure require that that jury demand be made uh not less than 10 days before the scheduled bench trial. So, your request for a jury trial would be untimely. Now, I'll entertain a position from the state in that regard. Um do you intend to uh represent yourself throughout um whether you have a bench trial or a jury trial? Or did you want the court to are you going to ask the court to appoint an attorney to represent you? Represent myself for now. Okay. Well, uh I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to deny uh what I construe to be a motion to continue um for the purpose of setting the matter for a jury trial because the matter's been pending for quite some time. Uh let's see, all of February, all of March, and now halfway into April. Um and so, the defendant did have an ample opportunity to submit a demand for trial by jury, but that uh demand was made in an untimely fashion today. So, um the record will reflect that the um the motion was made, but the that the court denied that. Um so, uh your options at this point, Mr. Mackey, are to either have a trial. Um the state has indicated it's prepared to proceed. Uh and uh you can obviously represent yourself. Um you have the right to, if you wish, to change your pleas from not guilty to guilty or no contest. Uh but I do not believe the state is inclined to dismiss the charges. Is that correct, Ms. Jaeger? >> Correct, Your Honor. All right. So, how would you like to proceed? Would you like to have your trial today, or did you want to change your pleas from not guilty to guilty or no contest? Your Honor, if it please the court, I motion that this case be continued or stayed because the case is now on an appeal in the Fifth District Court of Appeals. Also, the case has been petitioned removed to the Ohio District Court under case 223 CV 223 CV 02962 J L G C H G and to the New Jersey District Court under case 224 CV 03934 L E S J B C The court's jurisdiction is divested until those courts determine otherwise. Well, actually, none of that is true. Um basically, uh number one, your paperwork from the that purports to be from the Federal District Court doesn't look like pleadings from the Federal District Court. Those are plain white paper with um the case number in blue up at the top of the page. Um and that's not how yours are are um uh captioned. Furthermore, as far as jurisdiction is concerned, this court does have jurisdiction because this is an alleged violation of the traffic laws of the city of New Albany that is alleged to have occurred within Licking County. This court has jurisdiction over traffic offenses that are alleged to have occurred within Licking County. And by being here today and by entering pleas, you've waived any objection to personal jurisdiction over you. All right? See, this is exactly what happens when sovereign citizen paperwork once again meets [music] actual courtroom procedure. Notice, the judge didn't get emotional, he didn't argue, >> [music] >> he didn't debate philosophy, he simply addressed jurisdiction based on location and law. And Mr. Mackey [music] keeps trying to divest the court of authority by filing paperwork in random courts, even a different state. And I can't wait to hear you guys' thoughts on that. That was pretty comical. [music] But jurisdiction isn't defeated by mailing documents >> [music] >> somewhere else. It's based on where the alleged offense occurred, period. This is the difference between YouTube legal theory and real-world courtroom application. And right now, let's be honest, guys, reality is winning. Your Honor, I object on this bench trial. I would do what a jury trial. Okay. And as I've already explained to you, you did not make your demand in a timely fashion, so the motion to continue and the request for a trial by jury is going to be denied. It doesn't sound to me like um uh you don't want to I know you don't want to change your pleas from not guilty to guilty or or no contest. So, at this time I'm simply going to order or ask the prosecutor to call their first witness. Thank you. The state will call Officer Corsi to stand, please. Officer, please come forward to be sworn. Oh, actually, before he does that, Mr. uh uh you can have a seat, but Mr. Mackey, you indicated that you do wish to represent yourself, correct? Is that right? Okay. Um so, you have the right to be represented by an attorney by hiring one of your choosing. You're also eligible to ask the court to appoint an attorney to represent you at no cost um if you qualify based upon your uh income, your expenses, your household size, uh the court would appoint an attorney to represent you. However, um if it's your intention to represent yourself, it is necessary to execute a uh written waiver of the right to counsel. 1258. So, I'm going to hand I'm going to have the bailiff hand to you um a form entitled attorney waiver. I'm just going to read it into the record in open court right now. Um uh it says it's captioned attorney waiver and it says in open court and on the record, I hereby waive my right to an attorney in this case. I've been fully advised of my right to be represented by an attorney, including my right, if applicable, to have an attorney appointed by the court at no cost if I qualify. I agree to proceed without an attorney at this time. I've been advised of the charges against me and the maximum possible penalty sentence that they carry. I've also been advised if there any mandatory minimum penalties which might apply. And then it says in witness whereof I have hereon to subscribe my signature this 11th day of April 2025. So, if it is your intention to represent yourself and to waive your right to account to an attorney, go ahead and sign by the X there, but do please read that because I'm going to make sure that you understand what it is. Yes, that I am. Um then I object to this. I object to this. Um I'm sorry, did you want to use the using to sign this waiver? At this moment, I'm not refusing to sign it. This court's jurisdiction has been divested. Okay. Well, I've already ruled on that and that that can certainly be appealed at a later time, but this part of the the case this this portion or this part of the process is going to go forward. If you later appeal, if you're found guilty, I'm not saying you will be, but if there is a conviction that's entered, you have the right to appeal to the 5th District arguing that this court never had jurisdiction over you, which means basically this would all not count. But you don't get to make I've already made a determination that the court does have jurisdiction over you. If you don't want to sign that form, obviously I can't make you do that, but I will declare what's called a constructive waiver of counsel. And what that means is you're you've said out loud that you wish to waive your right to counsel, um that you want to represent yourself. Uh I'm going to accept that as a valid waiver of counsel even if you don't wish to sign that. So uh Miss Kyle, if you'll bring this back to me. And for what it's worth, Mr. Mackey, this was filed with the court and I do have a copy of that and I did look at it, okay? All right, very well. Uh please swear in the witness. Do you solemnly swear or do you affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Do you affirm or deny perjury? I affirm. Please have a seat, sir. For the record, you're going to give your name and spell your last name. Officer Michael Cohrs, C O H R S. And how do you spell your precinct? Uh 50 Village Hall Road, uh New Albany, Ohio 43054. Okay. Thank you. You may inquire. Thank you. Um Officer Cohrs, how long have you been with the New Albany Police Department? Over 6 years. And were you um so employed on January 29th of 2025? Yes. And were you working that day? Yes. What shift or hours were you working? Uh second shift, that's 2:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. And were you wearing a uniform of the day like you are in court? Yes. And were you uh driving a marked cruiser with a working visible light bar? Yes. And what were your duties that day? Uh I was working standard patrol. I would believe I was on zone three, which is the um Licking County side of New Albany. Is that for like traffic enforcement? >> Correct. And uh what kind of training have you undergone for traffic enforcement? Uh I was trained at the Columbus Police Academy uh over uh 2 weeks of traffic enforcement to include um all traffic laws um and proper uh traffic stops and procedures. And um as of January 29th of 2025, were you up-to-date on all continuing education, training, and certification requirements? >> Yes. I'm going to draw your attention to about 4:50 p.m. Whereabouts were you on patrol at that time? I was on Beach Road heading southbound just north of State Route 161. And is that in the city of New Albany in Licking County, Ohio? Yes. While on patrol, uh what first drew your attention to the defendant's vehicle? Uh as he was uh traveling northbound making a left turn onto the State Route 161 westbound on-ramp, uh I observed he had dark tinted windows, which initially drew my attention. And then as he passed me, uh made the right-hand turn, drove behind him, uh and uh entered his license plate. Okay. And uh did his license plate, when you ran that, return anything? It did. It turned uh through my um mobile computer uh through the our LEADS program on there, um I observed that his uh license plate had expired or registration, I should say, expired uh on July 8th of 2024. And um so when you uh approached the defendant for the stop, did you inform him as to the reason for your traffic stop? I did. And did he have anything to say about that? Uh he stated he was aware that the uh registration had been expired. Okay. And did he have a a driver's license for you to He had an identification card. >> An ID card. Okay. Were you able to then go back to your mobile unit and run his driver's license status? Yes. >> And what did that return? Uh I observed again through my computer system uh that it showed he had multiple active suspensions, uh one of them being the OVI suspension that he was cited with, as well as the two non-compliance suspensions. Uh my system, reason why it was shown on the citation as a security suspension, that was the label, uh but per what I read through the uh the system there, it was the financial liability. Nothing further for this witness at this time, your All right. So, Mr. Mackey, you have the right to ask this question with the this question witnesses. You have the right to ask this witness questions if you wish, but you're not required to. And once the state's rested its case, you'll have the right to present evidence on your own behalf, but this portion of the trial is just for questioning. Do you have any questions for the officer? No, Your Honor. All right. Officer Cortez, you may step down. Um, any additional witnesses on behalf of the state? Uh, no, Your Honor. Subject to the admission of plaintiff's exhibit one, the state would rest. All right. So, Mr. Mackey, the state is asking me to admit the certified DMV records into evidence. If I grant that request, that means I'll be able to consider that in making my decision about whether or not the state is, um, met its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. You have the right to object to whether or not that comes in. Do you have any objection to the court admitting that as an exhibit? For the diminished child, Your Honor, I do. I object to this child, Your Honor. Okay, well, we've discussed that already, Mr. Mackey. So, at this time I'm just asking whether or not you have an objection to the admission of the exhibit. Okay, here we go again. Do you guys see the pattern here? The judge has a specific [music] legal question. Do you object to the admission of this exhibit? And Mr. Mackey responds with the same jurisdiction [music] script. It's like, buddy, listen, it's not working. That's a non-responsive objection. In court, objections have to be tied to what? Rules of evidence, not personal beliefs about authority. This is why these arguments collapse. The court is operating within procedural [music] rules, and he keeps trying to argue philosophy instead of law. And when you argue when when you argue, excuse me, philosophy in a courtroom built [music] on statutory procedure, guess what, guys? You're going to lose every single time. Yes. And on what basis? This court is no longer has jurisdiction, Your Honor. Okay. Respectfully, Well, that's non-responsive to the court's question. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to reflect that the defendant is is to the admission of state's exhibit one, but I will admit that overrule the defense's objection. Uh does the state rest? Yes, Your Honor. All right. Now, Mr. Mackey, the state has rested its case. In our system of justice, it's always the prosecution's burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before a person can be convicted. A defendant is never required to produce any evidence, uh call any witnesses, introduce any exhibits into the record, or even testify on their own behalf. And if they don't, I don't hold it against them. It doesn't lessen the state's burden of proof. It doesn't diminish your presumption of innocence. But you do have a right to present evidence by calling other witnesses, introducing exhibits into the record, and testifying on your own behalf. If you elect to take the witness stand, however, you will be required to either swear or affirm to tell the truth uh in giving me your side of the story. Then when you're finished giving your side, you will be required to answer any questions that the prosecutor might have. So, other than yourself, do you have any witnesses that you'd like to call today? No, Your Honor. Okay. And do you wish to testify on your own behalf? Your Honor, I object on this case trial. Respectfully, Your Honor. Okay. And and I've uh entertained that objection on more than one occasion now, and I I I've already overruled it, so it's not necessary to do that. But you are creating a record here, Mr. Mackey, so that um you know, we're recording all this. Uh you'll certainly have the the right to obtain a transcript of the the proceedings and and pursue your appeal of right into jurisdiction issue. But again, my question that I'll ask one last time is, do you wish to testify on your own behalf? No, I'm fine. Okay. Very well. Um well, the court's heard testimony uh from uh Officer Cores, which finds to be credible, uh that he was on duty uh on the day in question, that he executed a traffic stop upon discovering that uh the registration on the vehicle was expired, uh that uh he made contact with the driver, who he's identified as the defendant, and upon uh reviewing the information provided by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, uh determined that he was under both an OVI suspension as well as an financial responsibility act suspension. Uh the court furthermore has um admitted into evidence, over the defendant's objection, admittedly, uh a certified uh copy of the defendant's driving record through the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, uh and it does in fact list both the non-compliance suspension as well as the OVI suspension, uh and reflects the expiration date of the uh registration uh as being prior to uh the date of the traffic stop. So, I do find that the state has met its burden on all three counts, and I'll go ahead and enter guilty findings. Um you have the right to make a statement today, Mr. Mackey, before I make any decisions regarding your sentence, but you're not required to. Is there anything that you would like to say other than the jurisdictional issue? No, Your Honor. All right, thank you, Mr. Mackey. Miss uh Jaeger, did the state wish to be heard regarding the matter of sentencing, and which uh driving under suspension charge did the state wish to elect to have the court enter a conviction and sentence on? We would elect to undergo the OVI suspension, Your Honor. Um and the defendant does have minimal history, so we would just recommend the mandatory minimums on that. All right. Um you know, it's kind of customary for me to ask questions of the defendants about their personal circumstances. If you don't want to answer, that's fine. Do you work? Do you have a job? Yes, Your Honor. What kind of work do you do? HVAC sheet metal, as I told the officer that pulled me over. Is that what you were doing that day? You were working out of the um warehouses? Okay. Do you work for yourself? Do you work for yourself or do you work for a company? I work for a company. Okay. How long have you worked for them? It's been 3 years. I've been in the steel trade. Okay. Well, here's the thing. One of the reasons why I'm asking you these questions today is, as I mentioned earlier, um at the beginning of our proceedings, the court is required to impose at the very least a 3-day jail term. Um I don't want to cost you your job. Um do you work Monday through Friday? Saturday, Your Honor. Monday through Saturday? Okay. Um We normally do not have Well, let me go ahead and pronounce sentence first and then we'll talk about that. When you got pulled over that day, Mr. Mackey, you were just giving your citation and then you were free to go, right? They didn't take you to jail, did they? Correct. All right. As far as the registration is concerned, the fine on that charge is going to be a $25 fine. On the driving under the OVI suspension charge, the court's going to impose a 3-day jail term, a $250 fine, and a 1-day license suspension to be start today and end as of midnight. Costs will be assessed. Now, the reason I was asking you about your work and everything else is as I said, I don't want to cost you your job, Mr. Mackey, but I don't have any discretion when it comes to those 3 days in jail. Normally, we require defendants I'm assuming you don't want to go today, right? No. Okay. So, it's customary for the court to grant what we call report dates. Some courts call them enforcement dates. And typically, we require that the defendant report here to the courtroom. But since my colleague, Judge George, took the bench, we now have the option of having folks um report directly to the jail. And that's important for one reason. If you had to report here, you'd have to report on a day that the court's open, so Monday through a Friday, all days of which you work. But if I order that you report to the jail on a Sunday, at least one of those days you won't the 3 days you won't be missing work, okay? Would you like for me to grant you a report date to the jail on a Sunday? I mean, I know you don't want me to impose any jail at all, but under the circumstances, would you prefer that I make it so that you report to the jail on a Sunday so you only miss 2 days of work? Okay. All right. Um Let's set it out a little bit just to give you some an opportunity to make those arrangements with your work. Let's go ahead and I'm going to have you report directly to the um, jail on Sunday, May the 4th. And that's located at 50 155 East Main Street uh, here in Newark and the bailiff will give you all the information that you need. I said, what did I say, the 4th? Yes. Yes. Okay. And that's going to be at 11:00 a.m. uh, Mr. Mackey. And then you'll get out 3 days later. Now, can I speak bluntly to you? So, you're not the first person who's come through court with these arguments that you're making regarding jurisdiction and the right to travel and things of that nature. Um, I don't know whether you genuinely and sincerely believe that that's the law. I'm here to tell you that it's not. Um, but even if you do, I got to tell you, a lot of times folks who espouse these arguments just continue to find themselves in court and they don't win against the system. It may be unfair in your mind, I get that, I understand, but I just want to give you a word of caution that, you know, if you do get cited in the future with any traffic violations or even criminal offenses, um, making these arguments is is not going to work out in your favor. It's not going to help your situation. Um, so, you know, you can be as frustrated and angry at the system as you want. The law is what the law is, but I would just recommend that in the future, um, you know, just deal with it regularly and and and move on. You know, the only thing that you need to do is um, you know, comply with the the traffic the driver's license laws and you won't have to worry about having having to listen to guys like me anymore. Okay? >> This right here is the moment that really matters. The judge isn't clowning him, right? Judge Stansbury is not clowning him. He's not trying to embarrass him. He's giving him real advice. Whether this young man, Mr. Mackey, believes in these sovereign citizen arguments or not, the system is not bending [music] to them. And Judge Stansbury is basically saying you can keep fighting this the same way, but you're just [music] going to keep ending up right back here. And that's something a lot of sovereign citizens refuse to hear, but at some point you have to decide whether you want to win arguments online or avoid consequences in real life. That's it for now, guys. Thank you for joining me as always, >> [music] >> and remember, no one is above the law.