I'm I'm I'm new that was coming. I knew that was coming. Go ahead. Yeah, I Yeah, I I I don't understand the nature of of the of the case that's that's here in front of me. I'm I'm I'm I don't understand. So, you don't understand the nature of the case that's here in front of you. You don't understand that you got to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle on the roads of the state of Michigan. You don't understand any of that stuff. Your Honor, I don't understand the jurisdiction. I don't understand how how how I wound up here. I I I failed to understand. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to your favorite YouTube channel, No One Is Above the Law. Today, I have a treat for you guys. Recently, we shared an appearance by a sovereign citizen by the name of Mr. Christopher Gray, and that was Mr. Gray's second appearance, but today I have his first appearance, and I'm going to add it to his second appearance, and I'm going to play both of them for you guys. Now, what I'm going to do is I'm going to leave the commentary, some of the commentary that I originally did on that second appearance in this video, but also there will be a little commentary on his first appearance as well. Those of you that saw Mr. Gray's [music] first appearance, I'm sure, or his second appearance, I should say, for the first time recently, I'm sure you are looking forward to hearing what he had to say when it all started. So, let's go ahead, guys, and roll the footage. Where is Mr. Gray? Mr. Gray is here. You got a long way to go on your license, too, don't you? Uh yes, sir. Uh let's see here. Fishing without a license? What's your date of birth, sir? 7-11-72. Uh that's that's not you. All right, let's see. What you said? 7-11-72. >> Oh, I got them right here. All right, let's see. All right, let's call the cases. This is City of Detroit versus Christopher Lamar Gray, case number SP11 SP Strike that. SP1191985, counts one and counts two. SP1257323, three counts one, two, and three. We'll also call case number 13 4661711. We have case number SP1267865, counts one, two, and three. We have SP1267877, counts one, two, and three. And uh this one's in warrant status from way back in '08 5208541. Appearances for the record, please. Will you blend on behalf of Mr. Gray, Your Honor? All right. Mr. Gray, are you trying to get a driver's license? Your Honor, I'm here by special appearance. I I I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. Go ahead. Yeah, I Yeah, I I I don't understand the nature of of the of the case that's that's here in front of me. Um I I'm I'm I don't understand. So, you don't understand the nature of the case that's here in front of you. You don't understand that you got to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle on the roads of the state of Michigan. You don't understand any of that stuff. Your Honor, I don't understand the jurisdiction. I don't understand how how I wound up here. I I I fail to understand. Well, I'll tell you how you wound up here. Well, I can probably You know, I had a I had a I got a similar case. And this this gentleman provided me with the promotion the other day. And I'm reading the motion. And I'm reading the case law that he says uh is supporting the fact that court doesn't have jurisdiction, that the state uh doesn't can't make you have a driver's license, and things like that. And when you read the case law that he gives me, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE IF YOU DID YOUR OWN MOTION, IT'D PROBABLY BE THE SAME case law that you would try to cite. Um it says exactly the opposite of what he is trying to uh purport. Okay. So, what is the jurisdiction of this court? Go ahead. What is the jurisdiction of this court, Your Honor? You You You You got to have a license. You You know, if if you're saying that the court doesn't have jurisdiction, are you trying to say basic Let's just talk real real simple basic stuff. Are you trying to say that you can just run red lights? You can just speed? You can just do what you want to do on the roads without any repercussions at all? Your honor, is this a court of record? I'm sorry. I I Is this a court of record? As far as I checked, it was, Mr. Glenn. Yes, it is, sir. Okay, so you guys follow a common law. We follow the state that >> I Am I We follow the statutes of the state. We follow THE STATUTE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. You You follow a common law, your honor. >> The 14th Amendment gives The 14th Amendment gives the state the right to enforce the police powers of the state. The The right OF THAT IS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS. PART OF THAT RIGHT COMES PART OF THOSE UH PART OF THAT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SAYS THAT THE STATE has the authority to regulate the people THAT ARE DRIVING ON THE ROADS OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. And to say that they to to to to protect the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens. The Sixth Amendment allows me to know the nature of of what I'm being charged with. And I And And that's that's I'm going to I'm going to tell you. SP12678653, failure to display a valid operator's license. Punishment Your honor, I'm challenging the I'm I'm challenging Go ahead. I'm I'm challenging this jurisdiction, your honor. I I don't understand the nature of of the charges that that I All right. Well, we won't take up too much time with this. We'll We'll I I might I requested a jury trial, your honor. All right. What I was going to do was What I was going to do was All right. So, for the jury trial, we have to set a final pretrial, right? We'll set a final pretrial date. We'll have the final pretrial date on February on May the 3rd, uh 20 2022 at at 8:30. Yes, your honor. final pre-trial and then can we get a jury trial date, Ms. Nash? I was going to give you an opportunity well, put it this way. On May on And for the record, your honor, please have the prosecutor put jurisdiction on the record for you know, if you could, your honor. Just let me know so that so that cuz this is where we're recording today. Well, if if I have a signed complaint here, which I have a signed complaint, then that automatically well, it puts the jurisdiction on the record. I I you know, I I didn't get a copy of that and if it if you have a copy, I'm going to need that to be signed under penalty of perjury, your honor. If it's an accusation against you, I'm going to need that signed. All right, give me an email address, sir. Yes, your honor. Detroit City Services Is that Detroit spelled out? Yes, sir. City Services at gmail.com. Email these um tickets to this young man. I can't call him. He's a little older than I am. And yeah, I would I would just if one of one of the things that I request is um yeah, if I could just get that accusation uh with sworn penalty of perjury, that would be great. You can get this downstairs. You got it. We'll give it to him again. I appreciate it. We'll go give it to him again. I I you know something I and and and I and and it don't get me wrong, I respect the fact that you have that that you want to fight this, but um I would say from my experience, you're going about it all the wrong way. And I just asked you that basic question, you know, uh you don't think that the police or that the state or that the ordinances have a right to stop people from speeding and running traffic stops? Because basically with your logic that you're trying to put forward, THEN NOBODY CAN GET STOPPED FOR ANYTHING. >> [snorts] >> NOW, immediately out the gate, the first question Judge Perkins asked Mr. Gray is if he was trying to get his license [music] and his response in sovereign citizen fashion is I'm here on special appearance. >> [music] >> And immediately we hear Judge Perkins response, I knew that was coming. And I notice with Judge Perkins and Mr. Gray, um you know, he seems to like Mr. Gray a little bit because, you know, he's being cordial with him. You know, he's he's not getting upset like we've seen him get upset in the past with some of the sovereign citizens. But we also see Mr. Gray play that I don't understand game. I don't understand how I got here. I don't understand jurisdiction. But Judge Perkins, you know, he made a real good a a really valid point, you know, when he asked him the question, >> [music] >> you know, do you think you can just drive around any type of way, you know, you don't have any credentials, no insurance, no >> [music] >> license, none of these things and not be held accountable for these types of actions, especially if you get in an accident, God forbid somebody gets hurt. Now, Mr. Gray, he's banking on or he's trying to stand on, well, there's no injured party, nobody has gotten hurt, so I should be in the clear. But that's the whole reason why these things are put in place so that, God forbid, if this happens, you know, that the community is protected. Your Honor, no no one was hurt. There there is no there is no injured party, Your Honor. And and so upon my >> book of the law, and this is a court of record, and no one was hurt. And and so we're following the common law. I understand that a lot of people don't understand how to function here, but since I do, well then I want to exercise this right. Uh-huh. I don't understand this, sir. All right. We'll let you know. >> And um and the name and address of the prosecutor, Your Honor, please. Thank you. All right. And I appreciate Your Honor. I appreciate the patience with with with me this this this afternoon, Your Honor. Thank you very much. That's what I'm here for, sir. Uh can I file my pleadings with your uh clerk? Pardon me? Can I file my pleadings with your clerk of court court your your clerk of court? >> you you you got to file the pleadings as as the court rules say you're supposed to file the pleadings. Now, if we're going to do this if we're going to do this we're going to do it like the court rules say. And you got to go the court rules are all online on how you file the pleadings. Thank you, Your Honor. >> [snorts] >> You got to you got to serve one to the the the the city attorney. You can you can serve the other one on the court through my clerk and the email address that she's going to send you when she sends you that that those those those tickets. But, if we're going to play ball, sir, you're going to have to know the rules of the game. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. >> So, I'm going to give you until What did I say? Final pre-trial is um May the 3rd >> 3rd 2022 at 8:30 a.m. I'm going to give you a jury trial on July the 5th 2022 at 9:00 a.m. And I'm going to give you until I would say the end of the day, April 29th I mean, strike that. April 22nd to have any motion that you have in that you want to be heard cuz you're >> Can you say that You're going to give me your motion. You're going to give me your motion on how the court has no jurisdiction over you. You're going to give me your motion on how the how how all of this stuff, right? And have that in by the end of the day on April uh Your Honor, what I I don't think that it's it's my job to prove jurisdiction. >> job. It is your job. It's the assertor's job to prove that the whoever's asserting this the claim it's it's it's their job, Your Honor. No, it's your job, sir. If you're making If you're making a You're saying that You're saying that the court has no jurisdiction over you. No, no, no. What I'm saying is What I'm saying is that the the court has to prove jurisdiction. That's what I'm saying. That's different. So, and what I'm saying is that the court needs to prove jurisdiction. Whoever asserted the claim should has to the jurisdiction. Uh Mr. Goss, are you on the line? Yes, Your Honor. All right. All right, so um he's going to say that you have to prove jurisdiction. And the jurisdiction is codified in the state of Michigan. So, if he's arguing otherwise, that's his beliefs. And at trial, I will be stating the facts of the complaint. And you know, there's you know, it's it's his his it's his assertions. Does not mean that they're correct, Your Honor. Do I have the right to know the charges that are that are waged against me? The judge already gave you the charges. charges that were waged against you. This is an arraignment. Let's go through that right now. Let's take care of that right now so you don't get this so we don't hear this issue. We'll do that we'll do that right now. >> And and he set a schedule or a discovery set schedule, sir? I'm setting that now. Motion due Your motion is due April the 22nd, 2022 by the end of the day. The response, if they choose to respond, April 29th, 2022 by the end of the day. And then I'll and I'll and I'll make a ruling on those motions on the final pre-trial May the 3rd. Nothing will be able to be to the court is not going to accept any other documents after those motion dates are are in. And then we'll have a jury trial July the 5th, 2022. Today is the date and time set for arraignment on the on the warrant and complaint. Uh You being charged with uh on SP11919851, uh driving while license suspended on or about my birthday 10 2 19 I mean 2021 and that's a possible punishment of 93 days and the maximum possible punishment for that offense is 93 days in jail and or $500 in fine. On the same day you were charged with no insurance misdemeanor. Max maximum possible punishment 93 days in jail and or $500 in fine. Um on the same day and around the same time you were charged with Yeah, I think they were the same these were issued by the same employee at the same time. Yeah, defective or improper turn signal. So, you don't feel that you have to have a right turn a good turn signal on your car either. That's a civil infraction and and and that's a that's a fine of up to $120. Defective brake lights. He doesn't feel he has to have defective brake lights. The police can't pull him over for defective brakes. I don't even have to go through these these are civil infractions. Let's go to the misdemeanors. Um there there's no these are all these are all criminal. I mean they're not civil. Yes, your honor no no no criminal charges. Uh these are criminal. These I'm going through the criminal. I'm not going to even go through the civil infractions. Um Somebody hurt? Me. Uh on or about 10/26/2021. Uh In the city of Detroit in the area of Mount Elliott and and East McNichols you were right operating a vehicle. The allegation is you were operating a vehicle with no plates on your trailer. That's punishable by up to 93 days in jail and or $500 in fines. On the same date and time, you were issued a issued issued a ticket for a failure to display a valid operator's license, punishable by 90 up to 93 days in jail and or $500 in fines. And um on 2 9 Uh any of those So we need those tickets behind you. On September 4th, 2008, around 2:15 in the city of Detroit, uh you were you were uh stopped in the area of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks for driving while license in not valid or improper. That's punishable by up to 500 uh up to 93 days in jail and or $500 in fines, and that's that is in warrant status. Mr. Glenn, can you put your appearance on the record now, sir? Yes, Your Honor. William Glenn, house counsel on behalf of Mr. Gray. Or standby attorney on behalf of Mr. Gray. All right. What about the warrant, sir? What are we going to do with that? We need to put the court set aside the warrants. All right. The court will set aside the warrants. The court will enter a not guilty plea on his behalf, and the court will um issue a zero dollar personal Your Honor, I object. For what? I don't have enough I don't enough I don't have enough information to enter a plea, and that's one of one of my abilities is for me to know and me to understand and be able to make an informed plea, and I need more information. >> Honor. You can plea for me, and I don't understand. So right now, I object, Your Honor. Okay. My client stands mute to the charges. He That means he doesn't say guilty or not guilty. All right. Well, Then I'll plead innocent. Then I'll plead innocent. Mhm. Well, that's what we just said. You We entered a not guilty plea on your behalf, sir. All right. So, we'll we'll we'll do that. You got the dates. You got properly arraigned. Um as Are you satisfied, counselor? Yes, Your Honor. All right. You got properly arraigned. You got the dates, sir. Good luck to you. I'll see you back on May the 3rd, 2022 at 8:30. Again, um you you you got to figure out what's going on with this I'll be properly arraigned, Your Honor. All right. Have a great day, sir. Thank you. Have a great one. Thanks again, Your Honor. All right. Well, guys, we've come to the end of Mr. Gray's >> [music] >> first appearance. We see Judge Perkins let him know that Listen, if you're going to represent yourself, then you need to know what the court rules are. And we see that Mr. Gray, he felt like it was on the court to prove jurisdiction, and Judge Perkins was like, "Nah. You are the one that is saying that the state doesn't have jurisdiction over you, so you need to prove [music] how the state does not have jurisdiction." And we see him pretty much doing the same sovereign citizen stuff over and over. "What are my charges?" You know, he did that a second time. Listen, your charges have already been explained to you. Like, what [music] else do you need to know? But we know it's just all a part of the game. It feels like Mr. Gray is confusing himself because he's trying to make all of these arguments, but even when they set the warrant aside, if you guys remember, remember they set the warrant aside, which was [music] a benefit to him because they set the warrant aside, they entered a plea for him, um no bond. He challenges that. We hear him say, "Oh, you know, I I object. I object." And then after the lawyer breaks down, you know, that uh you know, he pleads no contest or that I'm excuse me that he stands mute. You know, then he all of a sudden once he explains what mute meant, he busts out and says, oh, I plead innocent. [music] And Judge Perkins is like, well, that's that's what I said. I I put a plea in of not guilty for you. But Mr. Gray definitely you know, he he's a bit much and we'll see what happens when it comes to the second appearance for those of you that didn't see it. Obviously, I've [music] seen it and a couple of others have seen it. But just check out this second appearance and let me know down in the comments you guys' thoughts on this first and this second appearance [music] on how you know, they differ from each other. Let me know if you feel like Mr. Gray got better when it came to the second appearance or if he just got much worse. What is your date of birth, Mr. Gray? Uh >> [clears throat] >> Good afternoon, Your Honor. Uh 72 is my date of birth. I have a Can you say that again? Go ahead and say what you're about to say. I'm having a motion before the court, Your Honor. Let me first start. Do you need a lawyer, sir? I know, Your Honor. City of Detroit um versus Christopher Gray. Let me get that. Let me state your name for the record. Christopher Lamar Gray. All right. Today is the date and time set for a pre-trial and then there's warrants on the other matters. I'm going to enter a not guilty plea on your behalf. I'm going to give you a zero dollar bond. I'm I'll recall the warrants. What is your motion, sir? Uh I have a motion uh to strike and dismiss. What is the basis? Uh basis of uh federal rules procedure federal rules of civil procedure. Um number one, there is there's no claim. There is no there's no ratification of the claim. There is a claim. >> [clears throat] >> There is a There is a There is a Do you want me to read out the I I I I waived the reading of the information. Do you want me to read the the uh the allegations that have been made into the record? Do you need me to do that? No, I don't you No, I don't, Your Honor. I I deny your motion on that basis. What else do you have to say? You What else? You deny my motion because of what, Your Honor? There is no real >> your motion because there is a uh and and this is criminal procedure, not civil procedure. But, I deny your motion because there is a there is an allegation here. There is There is There You're saying Your Honor, you're saying this is a criminal matter? Yes. Okay, well then there's we need the corpus delicti. And so, that's what I'm asking for. If there is a criminal matter, basically what you're telling me is that something has happened. Someone has either been damaged or someone has been been or either someone has been damaged or someone has something something has been been been come up missing. And if that's the case, then that means that there is a crime. And if there's a crime, then there is the the What do you have that's saying that I did the crime? What You're saying that I created this crime that hurt this person. And if I hurt this person and I created the crime, then you are the third a third thing that you have to have is the identification of the person. You have the identification of the person, which is me, but you don't have a person saying that they were hurt or damaged, or the crime that's saying what I did to hurt or damage the person. So, how do you So, how do you have a crime? Okay. You You You went to law school? No, Your Honor, I have not. And you Where did you Where did you get that Where did you get that from? Where did you learn all that? >> I've I've been I've been studying for quite some time, trying to understand what's going on. Um I I have a different perspective as to what's being hap- what's being what's being um what's being said that happened. Um I'm understanding more the the the the procedure that is necessary for a crime to go for for their for them to bring a crime forward. Um I'm I'm understanding that a bit more. Christopher Gray definitely has a different sovereign citizen approach. As we can see, he doesn't do the whole Christopher Gray of the Gray family, or I'm the representative of Christopher Gray. And another thing that I noticed, too, is when Judge [music] Perkins told him that he would put in a guilty plea form, we didn't hear Mr. Gray say, "I don't plead," which we hear a lot of sovereign citizens say. So, he definitely has >> [music] >> a different approach to how he's doing things. We see Judge Perkins denies his motion for the fact that, you know, this is not a civil case, it's a criminal case. And when he heard Judge Perkins [music] say that, then he said, "We need to bring in a corpus delicti." And for those of you that don't know what corpus delicti is, it's just the facts and circumstances constituting a breach of law. And after he said all that, Judge Perkins asked him what law school did he go to, and and honestly I think he took that as a compliment, but I don't think Judge Perkins meant it as a compliment. And where did you get that understanding? Um I've done some Cornell law studies. I've also um sat down with a couple of friends who have had some issues. Um I picked up a Mm wherever I could, just started to study the law, just started to go back through Cornell law, started to figure out what was going on, and to and to understand the nature of of of how crimes what a crime is, and and everything else. So just the course of me searching it out. And you're citing Cornell law for all of that that you just said to the court? No, what I did, your honor, was I realized that one of the biggest portions that you have to have is you have to have the corporate delicti. And that is in And that is in when you're being charged criminal. What is a corpus delicti? What do you mean what is the corpus delicti? What is What is your understanding of what corpus delicti is? That is That is the the corpus delicti is the is the law that's saying that there is a crime that's being committed. So in order to do that, you have to prove you have to show the corpus delicti, which is you saying this is what happened. This is how this person was damaged. There is no person The officer says that on these dates because I I got a lot of says that you drove >> I I object. You're The officer works Okay, you're I'm I apologize, your honor. I apologize, your honor. My apologies. Officer says that um you you drove a vehicle that wasn't registered and wasn't titled uh or or or titled and or or untitled, that you drove without a valid driver's license, that you drove without a valid insurance. Uh again on a different occasion they alleged that you drove uh without a valid driver's license and no insurance. And then on a different occasion, they alleged that you drove without unregistered or untitled or or both and drove without a valid driver's license and still offender that you failed failed to have a trailer plate and that you failed to secure a load on your vehicle. And on another on another occasion on on the same occasion you failed to secure that they alleged you failed to secure the load, failed to have a trailer plate on your vehicle, that you didn't provide a valid driver's license. So, those are the crimes. And in the state of Michigan, whether you agree or not, they are crimes. So, based on your motion and all of that stuff you talked about corpus delicti and things like that, the court denies the motion. Okay? Based on those reasons that I just said. Now, how do you want to move forward? Because I I want Wait a minute. I'm not finished. My apologies, Your Honor. want to move forward because in my experience, someone that comes into court as you do, um Yes, Your Honor. you do not want to take an offer, you do not believe that you need to have plates or or registration or insurance, and you just disregard all of that portion of the law and uh either you are going to move forward by having a a trial or you're going to take a deal. What do you want to do, sir? Your Honor, first I want to put my objection on the record and at that point >> is noted. What do you want to do, sir? Um I You have two You have two options. Trial or you want to take a deal? Your Your Honor, I request a jury trial. A jury trial? A jury trial. Yes, Your Honor. Very well. Ms. Matthews, I need a jury trial date. Please. And if I may, your honor, what time is Mr. Gray presently docketed? >> I don't even think it matters, BUT I'LL TELL YOU. >> [laughter] >> I DON'T think it matters. Uh he's got um the newer cases and and older cases are pre-trial at 8:35, Christopher Lemar Gray, and then he had some in warrant status. I count it 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 cases entered the record. What did I tell you guys? Didn't I tell you guys that he took that whole law school thing as a compliment? You see, he went into the whole Cornell law thing. And Judge Perkins had to prove to him like, "Listen, you're bringing up corpus delecti, >> [music] >> but the officers that are involved in this case, they absolutely allege that you have committed these crimes." And [music] you know, he got all proud and started talking about how he's been studying and so on and so forth because I think he thought he had Judge Perkins in some type of jam, or maybe Judge Perkins [music] recognized uh you know, some type of good argument that he had, but that wasn't the case at all. >> [music] >> Judge Perkins was just setting him up, and then we see uh Prosecutor Bowman and Judge Perkins have a little fun at uh Mr. Gray's expense. You know what I want to ask Mr. Gray, and you can choose to answer it or not. Yes, your honor. But what I surmise and what I've heard, and I don't know if you're you're you're alleging the same thing, is that the and you basically did allege the same thing, that no crime has been committed because no person has been uh uh you know, the people of the state of Michigan are in danger of you driving without the proper documentation or anything like that. But, I don't and and I'm going to I'm going to surmise and you can correct me if I'm wrong that you're going to say that that there's no jurisdiction to to be able to pull you over because no one has um has uh been injured. Is that correct? Um I think that what I'm saying is that the City of Detroit had an officer pull me over to say that you're not following these rules. And my stance is, "Okay, well, then that's fine. If we're following rules, then therefore, let me make sure that you as well as are following the rules because if I don't do that, then freedoms are lost." So, that is in which That is the way that I proceed to say, "Okay, well, then if we're playing cards and we're playing show me yours, if this is your hand, then this is mine, and let's proceed accordingly to the law." That's only This is only This is That's it. That's That's my only standing is if someone doesn't stand up every once in a while and define the edges, then they all disintegrate and people lose people lose rights. And and you know something? With that being said, I would agree with you a thousand percent. That's why I pride myself, and I hope I'm doing a good job for the citizens that come in here and the police [clears throat] for that matter and the prosecution, that I am calling the balls and strikes right. And if something doesn't proceed as it should, then I will dismiss the case one way or the other. But, in my short time on this bench and in my time at practicing law as a defense attorney, I get this you know, they can't pull me over. I've heard the corpus delicti. First time the civil procedure has been thrown at me. Uh but, from my From the way I see it is that you just don't feel that the police have a jurisdiction to pull you over for these issues. Is that correct? Do I have the What Again, Your Honor, what I feel is that if we are following rules, that if I have to follow the rules, then every person out there, all of these officers, everybody else has to follow the rules. So, if >> So, what I'm going to What I'm going to hope that you do by the time you come back on the trial date is Jury Trial date is going to be January I mean, strike that, March the 18th, 2025. >> Thank you, Ryan. You're going to You're probably going to have an audience because everybody follows me on these on these cases all the time. >> I I I I understand. All right. And I don't know if that's what you want, but we're going to We're going to It's not that. January July the March the 18th, 2025. We're going to have a final pre-trial date. Final pre-trial. This is to you, Mr. Bowman, especially. The day before on January I mean, February 17th, 2025 at 8:30. So, Mr. Gray and Mr. uh uh Bowman, I need you Mr. Bowman, I need you to have all your officers appear on that day. Whosoever going to uh state uh their these allegations so that we know that this we're not just summoning from the people of the city of Detroit to a jury that's not actually going to uh go. So, all parties must appear and that that can be via Zoom. And the trial is going to be in person. All right? All parties must appear on final pretrial date and obviously on the trial date. Now, um and what I would what I would implore you to do is you need to figure out the right game because it doesn't sound like you're playing the right game. I understand, Your Honor. Um I appreciate First and foremost, let me say I appreciate uh the dialogue. I appreciate you you sitting here and and and engaging with me at this level. So, I recognize what you're saying and um so I I guess it's it's to the table we go. So. Yeah, but get your game in order because I'm just giving you a little heads-up. If you come in with that game on the jury trial date, then more than likely you'll lose unless you can find some one of those jurors or a couple of those jurors or even all of them that have some sympathy for you, sir. I don't >> Well, I I got a I got a whole basis for understanding and and so yeah, if if you know, it it it is what it is. >> that you outlined shortly today is not is not is is is not >> What was What was What was flawed in my What What was flawed, Your Your Honor? What is flawed, Your Honor? >> it. We already discussed it. The The The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that you brought up as a motion to dismiss not not the right basis. The uh the corpus delicti, they do have a corpus delicti. They do have a crime that they say has been committed. And if you read the MCL, the Michigan court rules, and the Michigan statutes, then you'll see those crimes outlined there. They have them on the tickets. They They got the They got the the the statute numbers that are on the tickets. So, that's not the right basis. So, you're you're you're in a whole different ballgame. And you need to come on to this ballgame here. >> Okay. All right. Okay. Well, I guess we'll we will have that discussion again. I appreciate it. I also want to say I recognize and honor your compassion that you sit on the bench with. I see it as you go out here and you you judge our people. And so, for all of that, kudos. That's for where you sit, that's I appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. >> I appreciate I appreciate that. Mr. Gray, you have a seat. Happy holiday season, sir. And best of luck to you. I'll see you back on March the 17th, 2025 at 8:30 for our final pre-trial. And let me say this, I mean as to the record, if there's any motions If there's any motions, those motions need to be in writing. >> 10 days within 10 days. Let's put the Let's put that on the record, too. A motion Those motions need to be in writing. Have those motions to the court by February 14th, 2025. Five. And response will be February 21st, 2025. And I'll rule on those motions on the final pre-trial date of 317 2025. Again, all parties must appear in district court, all right? >> I mean, listen, Judge Perkins made a great point in this case and that's when do you hold yourself accountable >> [music] >> for the actions that you've done. Like, why do you think it's okay to be able to ride around >> [music] >> without any legal documents, any insurance to cover if you get in an accident, God forbid, and somebody gets hurt, then then, you [music] know, how does your theory work then? How does that person get paid? How does that person go to the hospital and take care [music] of their hospital bills or medical bills after the fact? Like, Judge Perkins made made a great point and he told him, "Listen, when you get ready to come for this trial, [music] you better have a lot more evidence than what you have now, a lot better evidence, because [music] if you don't, pretty much the same outcome you had today is the same one that you were [music] going to get on that trial date. But, as always, it is interesting to see what these sovereign citizens have to say, corpus delicti or not, [music] Cornell law or not, Mr. Gray learned today in Judge Perkins' courtroom that no one is above the law.