Late at night in Florida, a driver is pulled over after officers claim he was weaving through traffic and nearly hitting other vehicles. According to police, those observations raised concerns about possible impairment, which they say justified a traffic stop and DUI investigation. Under the Fourth Amendment, officers must have reasonable suspicion that a traffic violation or crime occurred before stopping a vehicle. The driver immediately challenges that claim, insisting his driving was normal and that officers are inventing a justification for the stop. What follows becomes a prolonged roadside debate over authority, investigation limits, and the right to remain silent. How you doing, sir? Pretty good. Can I have your license and registration, please? Yes, ma'am. What's the reason for the stop? >> I'll let you know. I just need your information first so I can know who you are. Well, I mean, I think you should tell me the reason for the stop if it's legal or not, then you could go for the license registration, but I'll go with the with the gimmick for right now. Is this your vehicle? It is. You got your registration? Um Registration. Okay. So, I'll try and find it if you don't have it in the system. I'll have to see if it's registered in your name and see if the vehicle is registered to you. Okay. >> Okay. So, the reason for the stop back on 22 Mhm. 34 All right. You almost hit a car and then you kind of been That's not true. weaving in and out of the lane. >> That's not true. I was was driving, I seen you guys following me a little too close. I'm like, "Eh, let me move over. Maybe you're trying to get through." I switched lane, I see you switching after. I already know you guys was initially stopping. I'm like, "Ah, let me go forward." And here it is. At this point, officers claim the driver was weaving and nearly hitting vehicles, which they say justifies both the stop and further investigation for impairment. Under the Fourth Amendment, those observations must amount to specific and articulable facts supporting reasonable suspicion. If those observations cannot be clearly articulated, the legality of the stop can be challenged. So, none of that. Let me see if you have your Did you get your driver's license, sir? Um Your driver's license? You know there's another officer right here? Okay, yeah. Okay. Next, that's why he stopped you, weaving all over the road. You almost hit two cars back there. >> Oh, no. That's not true. That's not true at all, you know. Okay, that's fine. We have a camera, so you don't have to worry about it. Yeah, I did. You know, you don't have that proof that camera, yeah. And um All right. Have you been drinking or anything tonight? Well, we could go down that route, but I'm going to just go that I'm not answering any questions and uh your partner, why is he shining the light towards my camera? Trying to blind the camera? What's the purpose of that? I'm not going to explain all that to you. I'm asking if you had anything to drink tonight. And uh I'm saying, which I clearly just illustrated and it's on camera, I am not going to answer any of your questions, but Actually, you have to answer questions with regards to the drinking or anything like that with the traffic It's a traffic stop. What What law is that? Okay. Okay. What law is that? Uh it's the laws of the United States >> But what What law is that? Can you cite it? >> Okay. What law says that I have to answer questions cuz I remember the law says You have the right to remain silent. Actually, that's only if it's during a criminal investigation. The US Supreme >> So, what What What investigation are you doing right now? I'm doing a DUI investigation. >> Which is a criminal investigation? Here the officer claims the driver must answer questions about drinking. However, under the Fifth Amendment, individuals generally retain the right against self-incrimination, even during traffic stops. Drivers must typically provide identification and vehicle documentation, but they are not generally required to answer investigatory questions about potential criminal activity. The US Supreme Court >> Which is uh Okay, I'm criminal or non-criminal? Okay. Okay. Thank you. Is this your car, sir? I've already answered questions to the young lady that was here. >> trainee. Is this your car? Well, you could ask your trainee cuz I've already communicated with her. She's the one that made the stop, right? >> I'm just simple question. Is this your >> It's a simple question. I do not need to answer 500 questions to 500 people. The officer that made the stop, I've already talked to her. She had my information. Thus, she's done doing her job. I mean, I don't understand what's going on here. >> [clears throat] >> So, the training is to stop a random guy and see if we could pin something on him. Is that what's going on right now? Ma'am. Sir. I'm saying, what is the training here? Stop a random person and we see if we could pin something on them. Is that what the training is? You know well that is not it at all. The driver now claims the stop itself is invalid. If a traffic stop is conducted without reasonable suspicion, any evidence discovered afterward may be challenged under the Fourth Amendment's exclusionary rule, often referred to as the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine. I know well. So, then I know then they have a valid reason to stop me then. That's what you're saying. Mhm. Uh-huh. So, what is that valid reason? I wasn't here. It's not my stop. Okay, so then >> stop. They They can answer your questions, okay? I I got it. I got it. I'm here simply just to make sure that I I understand that. I understand. So, then I'm saying that if I know very well, that's mean you have some assumption that I knew what I did wrong. That's what you're assuming. Since you weren't here, you can't make that conclusion. That's correct, right? You can talk to the officer as to why you were stopped. I I I I know that. You were not aware as to why you were stopped, you may ask the officer I I heard why they said I was stopped. I heard that. What I'm saying is the stop is invalid and the reason they're stopping me >> own belief system, however, there if there is a Florida state statute that is in violation, it is a valid stop. Yeah, if there is. That's That's correct. If there is a Florida Florida statute that is in violation, it's a valid stop. But what if there isn't? Then the stop becomes invalid. >> to make assumptions and I'm not here to go with what ifs. I You just did. You said you know very well why you were stopped. So, therefore that's an assumption. I'm not going to go back and forth with you. You're not going back and forth. You're the one trying to weave around the question that I just stated. I said, "Is this one of those stops where you're just looking for something?" You didn't know, you know very well, then you started weaving trying to prevent yourself from answering the question that it might be a illegal stop cuz it's not in your favor to say that. So, that's all it is. >> do. Huh? >> make it invalid stops. You don't? Nope. Really? >> something we do. How do you guys get sued then? Huh? How do you guys get sued? People sue anybody for anything. >> Yeah, so how do they How do you win? How do you win a lawsuit against the police? >> I think that's irrelevant. How do you win a lawsuit against the police? >> You can sue anybody for anything. That is accurate, but how do you win the lawsuit? We're not going to go back and forth. That's not a back and forth thing. That's you making the assumption again and then you're backing up off of it. So, you know what I'm saying? This is just This is ridiculous. It's one of those days, sir. And upon the stop, the lady the officer that was just in my left said the officer that made the stop is her trainee. So, if that's her trainee, it's the training process of showing her how to initiate a stop and how to look for technicality to try to validate the stop and to proceed and continue with their bogus investigation that's going on right now. So, I'm going with the flow. Everything's legit on my end, so let's see what conclusion they'll come out with at the end of this bogus stop. >> Oh, I another question. Um is it legal to tell me I'm supposed to self-incriminate myself? I don't know what you're what you're trying to ask. I'm asking like if you ask me a question, you say, "Hey, um did I break into the store over there?" Is it legal to tell me that I have to answer that? Is that a legal standpoint? I'm not allowed to answer legal questions like that. All right. But the officer that was just >> I'm not going to answer what else. I got you. But the officer that was just right here was telling me that I have to incriminate myself. Like if he asked me a question of something I did that is a crime that I have to tell him. That's a valid statement? I'm not allowed to give you legal advice. No, that's that's You're an officer. That's what he was saying. So is he right? >> to give you legal advice. >> That's not legal advice. That's your cop saying that I was supposed to do something. So then he's telling me I have to answer him. So you're saying he's wrong? I'm just saying that I'm not giving you legal advice. That's what I'm telling you. >> So in conclusion, you're saying he's wrong. Cuz if he was right, just like you said the traffic stop was right, you would have backed him if the traffic stop was right. Okay, I got you. This is where are we at? St. Petersburg? Yes, sir. St. Petersburg Police. And it's finest. Okay. Now this poor young lady right here is not her fault, you know, she has to back the blues the line. She has to follow the instructions and back her up. Friends or colleagues, it's not her fault. I understand. It's the situation at hand. Now the officer that was here since she said the young lady was her trainee, he has more experience. Um I forgot to get his name. So he knows the statement he's making is false hoping that maybe he could pressure me or bully me into something which I have on camera. I'll review that later on. That based on Florida codes and law, I have to answer his questions pertaining to a DUI stop and tell him that if I've been drinking or not and blah blah blah blah blah, which is false cuz the law says you have the right to remain silent. I mean I don't have to answer any question they ask me, period. Besides present my driver's license, which I gave it to them. I didn't have to give it to them, but I could present my driver's license and that is it. But here we are. Today is the day 11th. October 11th, 12:39 a.m. Um I'm involved in a bogus traffic stop. They're back there conjuring what kind of lame excuse to come and give me to support the bogus traffic stop. Traffic stops must also remain reasonably limited in scope and duration. Under Supreme Court precedent, once the tasks related to the stop are complete, officers generally cannot prolong the stop without additional reasonable suspicion. So possibly I won't seek any retaliation. Then the next step would be to try to give me a ticket. So if I do give me a ticket, the ticket have to be dismissed first before if I file lawsuit I could I can retaliate. Until then, the usual process bogus, you know, crap the police do. You know, um so I'm waiting to see what it is. And a traffic stop has a reasonable amount of time that it's supposed to could be conducted in. And we are Let's see how many minutes in here. We're 12 minutes in. 12 minutes for a traffic stop for potentially I heard weaving in and out of traffic and I almost hit a vehicle. Where? This is crazy. Okay. Um >> [clears throat] >> another thing, can you please inform your colleagues that there is a time that a traffic stop reasonable time for a traffic stop to be conducted, which is a driver's license check, which you're doing right there, which shouldn't take 15 minutes. Um I have stuff I have to do, which is I'm on a mission right now to get some gas. I have to go relieve somebody down here in Fort Myers that's on the side of the highway. >> At this stage, the stop has continued for several minutes while officers continue questioning and observing the driver. If officers extend a stop beyond the time necessary to address the original traffic violation, courts often require additional reasonable suspicion of another crime such as DUI. So it is very imperative that I continue my journey and not be hindered here for no reason. Please end that. What's a reasonable amount of time? I'm pretty sure you know that, officer. No, I'm asking you. You're going to ask me to do that assumption thing then I'm asking you. Yeah, and then I'll tell you >> I ask you today? I I got you. Then I'll tell you then you'll say no it's not or you're assuming this and then you'll say you'll just go on the defensive and say, "No, no, no, you're not doing this. Not doing this." That's what's going to happen. But you know what the reasonable amount of time is, right? What is the reasonable amount of time to do a traffic stop? Didn't he just tell you she's a trainee? Yes. Okay, so she she should probably take a little bit longer to write you up. >> That is not That is not supposed to be my problem. That's supposed to be your problem. You're supposed to be dealing with the trainee. You see that's they working. If I If you bring four trainees here, I'm supposed to wait an hour for you to four train train four trainees? That become reasonable? No, it's not. The reasonable traffic stop is still the same. If your trainee cannot get the information within that reasonable time, that is up to you to train them afterwards or off my time, not within my time. So the reasonable traffic stop is how long? How long here? I already asked you, so I'm not going to go back and forth with you. Oh, you're not going to go back and forth with me? Which is what I just said right now? You're not going back and forth cuz I cornered you in that same infringement as that? I'm not going to answer your question. You need to answer mine. >> How you going to ask me what's a traffic stop when you're the officer? I'm not going back and forth with Because you don't want to uh what? You don't want to give out the information? So it would be on camera that you're stating how long it's supposed to be? Regardless of anything, you will never accept what I tell you. Okay. Then tell me. >> No, it No. Then tell me cuz you haven't >> There's no reason to have a back and forth. You have not offered any information here that I didn't take that is valid. Tell me one information that you told me that I said, "No, I'm not taking it." Precisely my point. That silent mean none. So you haven't offered any information that you said, "This is the information." And I said, "No, I'm not taking it." So what is the reasonable amount of time here? What is this supposed to be? 45 minutes? An hour? 2 days? What is the reasonable time? Cuz I'm pretty sure you know that's part of your training. So I'm like give me an average. The blank stare doesn't mean anything. It means that you're on the defensive and you're trying to silence me by intimidating with the look. It doesn't mean anything. It means that you're not answering the question because you know my my statement is valid. Reasonable amount of time for a traffic stop. That's all I'm asking on camera. What is the reasonable amount of time for a traffic stop? That involves what exactly? What what is taking this long for this traffic stop here? We're at 17 minutes. >> Silence. That's what it is. It is because I'm not going back and forth with you about it. Yes, but you haven't went forward at all. >> because I'm not going to plead the fifth with >> If you went back, you it'll be back and forth, but you never went forward. You never went back. You just stayed silent. So, how are you going back and forth? Ooh, Jesus Christ. Why are you raising your camera trying to block the view so I can't see your face on the camera? You know, it it is it wouldn't that wouldn't that be you blocking evidence? What's what's the what's the word for that? There's there's there's a there's a word for that. Um What's it called? What is it called? What is it called? It escapes me. I I I'll get it, but right now your flashlight was down. You're raising your flashlight very subtly to hinder the camera from catching your face on camera, which we're having a conversation right now about what's going on here. So, why are you doing that? And it's on camera. Can't say it wasn't happening. What's your name, man? Officer Klein. Officer Klein? Klein. Klein? Officer Klein. So, it's reasonable for me to be here for 20 minutes while they train a trainee over a traffic So, bogus traffic stop as a matter of fact, you know. This is Uh Jesus Christ. I I I should I should pursue this. But, I'm in a little chipper mood, so I'm just going to enjoy the time. Even though I have stuff to do here. All right, hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Let me start the recording so I I have this. Okay. Now, what you said? So What's your name? Officer Bowers. Officer Bowers? >> they said your driving pattern was concerning. It's caused a couple crashes. Do they have that >> What's going on? >> on video to show you? Relevant to what they're saying? I think they might. I don't No, so I'm saying you should make them show you the video. They claim they have it on video so you can see what they say. And if it match up with what the statement is, then Yeah, I'm not going to do that. I'm asking you. Well, I'll tell you my driving was fine. This is a bogus traffic stop cuz they have a trainee. They're looking for information. Look, I'll be show them how to do a regular traffic stop. And you guys know the routine, so I'm fine. They know it's bogus, and that's what we're talking about. They know it's bogus? Of course. Who's they? Who you think? Take a wild guess. I don't have any idea who you're talking >> No idea? So, [clears throat] we're going to play that game. I got you. Well, this is a bogus traffic stop, and I would like for them to conclude the traffic stop that's been going on for >> It's not being concluded right now, so there's Well, then then you guys have to conclude it cuz the traffic stop having a reasonable amount of time to do it. >> it's bogus all you want. It doesn't mean it's not >> got you. Okay, so your legit traffic stop has a a a certain amount of time that's supposed to go through, right? Reasonable [clears throat] time. No. It's not reasonable, yeah. >> Yes. What is a reasonable time for the traffic stop? As long as it takes. As long as it take? Yeah. Which is what? 2 days? 5 days? No. Sometimes people go to jail for days. No, yeah. Yeah, that's that's not a traffic stop. Then that's something else. That escalated to something else. But, what is a reasonable time for the traffic stop? Like as long as it takes them. Okay. So, we're going to go down that road. >> a Okay. Well, then >> checks on you. If they got to write tickets, all that stuff. >> Well, tell them then conclude their traffic stop so I could be on my way. I have my wife on the side of the highway in North in Fort Myers. She's she ran out of gas. I need to get down there. So, I'm right now I'm on the hunt for gas. This bogus traffic stop is hindering my process. >> So, you're on your way to Fort Myers? I'm looking for gas right now to head to Fort Myers. Yes. Where are you coming from? I'm coming from up the road. You guys blocked the road so I can't continue looking for gas, and I turned around. I'm about to go down this area to find gas station all over the place. So, my hunt is for gas right now. Okay. What What had you driving on the all over the road? Like I told you, go look at their video. pulled up. >> Go look at their video to conclude that lie that they made is a lie. Until then I'm not doing that. I'm asking you about it. And I'm telling you it's a lie. So, what what you How you ask me something that you haven't seen for yourself? The officer is not lying to me. Or he's not lying to you? No, no. He saw something. [clears throat] He informed me about >> Maybe Maybe what he saw was wrong. >> to >> What Okay, I got you. So, maybe what he saw was wrong. Maybe he misinterpreted it. >> it's right like >> Yeah, maybe it's right. Yeah, maybe it's right. So, how do we determine if he's right or wrong? Cuz right now you're analyzing I got you. I said he's right. >> So, right now you're analyzing my speech and looking at my pattern as you see if what he's saying match or if I'm under the influence or whatever. Doing that escalation of whatever it is. Now, I'm telling you >> thing is that every all of this is wrong and bogus, and we need to just let you 1,000% accurate. >> for why you might have been driving all That has never happened. Your officer pulled behind me. I've been driving steadily the whole time. He got a little close to me, which I assume he was starting to run my tag, which is what you guys usually do. At that point, I switched lane. He's switching after me, so I continue my path. I'm like, yeah, I'm about to get pulled over. 3 minutes down the line, I get pulled over. That's exactly what happened, and I don't know what she is. I heard she's a trainee or something like that. Whatever she is, she knows what's going on. So, now you guys go ahead and conclude your traffic stop so I could be on my merry way, and I can enjoy myself. And I see you flashing the light closer to my camera to hinder the camera from seeing you. I don't know why, but your flashlight wasn't a lot lower than what it is right now. >> I don't care if your camera sees me. It's looking at me for the past 5 minutes. That's that's what I'm saying. So, there's no point of >> I'm sorry I messed up your picture on your >> [clears throat] >> Okay. Listen, have you had anything to drink tonight? I do not answer question. And I know where you're going with this. That's why you're flashing the light close to me to see if my eyes will dilate. I know the pattern, man. I So, just let's get the traffic stop. >> Listen, I'm a police officer. I'm doing an investigation. That's what That's what they pay me to do. I got you. So, that's what I'm doing. So, I'm asking you questions >> And I'm And And I And I And I respect your job. But, what I'm saying, which I told the officer before, I know she knows this is a bogus stop. But, let's say it wasn't. Am I supposed to help you in this investigation? Uh yeah, ideally you would cooperate. >> Ideally. Yes, ideally. Ideally. Right. I've seen people that do plenty of things wrong. Like right now I'm not doing anything wrong to be stopped by what? Three or four officers? So, ideally it doesn't really really work. >> something wrong, man. They didn't just stop you for nothing. Sir, you cannot tell me that you >> Listen, I don't buy that. I don't care how cheap it is. I'm not >> So, what I'm telling you I cannot believe that you believe 1,000% that every initiation that your cops make with a with a citizen is legit. You cannot believe that. If that was true, there would not be There would not That's what you're telling me. So, I'm telling you this is one of the situation where it is not accurate. Your officers did an illegal stop, and they're looking fishing for a reason to make it valid. That's all that's happening right now. Absolutely. >> Okay? Yes. Listen, I told I told you I don't buy it. I don't care how cheap it is. Sorry. Okay. Listen. Uh-huh. What were you What were you up to before you left here? What do you mean what was I up to? What What does that even mean? >> doing today? I just told you what I've been doing. You said you've been looking for gas. Yes. >> You looking for gas all day? Not all day. I've been looking for gas since my girl called me saying she was on the side of the highway. I'm lost with you. >> before that? Sir, I'm not going to help you with this fishing expedition of yours. You're trying to find a way I was doing before that so I could say I was doing this and you're like, oh, were you doing that? Were you doing this? All the flashing light checking my expression and all that. You could do all of that. I do not do anything or am doing anything. My drive My driving was perfect. Like I said, your cops pull me over illegally, and they're fishing for a reason to make it valid. And I'm not going to help you to make it valid. Okay? You can flash your light, analyze me as much as you want. My eyes are not dilating or doing any craziness. I'm not high, so get your job I mean, make them get their job done so we can go about my business. >> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why you were driving like that. >> [sighs and gasps] >> Okay. Let Let me Let me help you with this. >> Distracted? Is that what you're saying? >> None. My driving was perfect. I repeat it again. My driving was perfect. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Since you have basically saying you you're siding with your officers, my statement is no longer valid. Right? Because I'm telling you they're wrong. You're saying >> is your statement. Hm? Your statement is your statement. >> Exactly. So, my statement is no longer valid. So, if my statement is no longer valid, why am I talking to you? I'm asking you a question. Yeah. Question that means nothing. Because you're looking to validate with their information. So, therefore, why am I talking to you? >> to validate their information. >> Exactly. So, therefore, my talking to you is irrelevant. So, conclude your investigation. >> There's a reason you were driving the way >> I'm saying you keep fishing for this reason that you're not going to find. Officers now attempt to move the investigation toward a DUI evaluation, including asking the driver to step out and examine his eyes. Drivers can decline voluntary field sobriety tests, although refusal may lead officers to rely on other observations when determining whether probable cause exists. It wasn't existing. My driving was perfect. >> Then we're just going to have to go off of based on what they saw. Then if you want to do that, that's your business. Go bring up the camera and prove what they saw. Until then, we have nothing else to talk about. I cannot help you validate this this false statement just to try to prove a point, okay? I don't know why you keep watching me. I'm not doing anything. You keep analyzing me. You're looking for a reason to try to escalate the situation. Why you keep analyzing me for? I'm looking at you, you're looking at me. What are you doing? >> analyzing me. You're not looking at me. Looking at me, my eyes are right here. I'm talking to you. You're No, analyzing this. You're looking at my every movement, my hand, my stomach, my my eyes. You're That's analyzing. Why? I'm a police officer. I'm looking around. I'm observing. >> You're not You're not looking at me. You're analyzing me. Okay. Sure, I'm analyzing you. You win that one. So, now, like I said, Uh what what I was saying, let me let me finish what I was saying, is they saw a certain driving pattern. We're trying to figure out why they saw that certain driving pattern. You are not helping us with that. So, we are just going to have to go with what they saw. And we'll And we'll move on. Understood? No, I do not understood cuz you said Do you have a question? Yes, they said it's on camera. Isn't that what they said? Did they tell you that? >> Yes. That's what they told me. Okay. So, they didn't tell you that. They didn't give you that valid piece of information that they offered to me. They gave you that information. What is your question? >> Yes, the officer came, the the one that says that's his trainee. What's his name? The officer that was standing here. What was it What was it? The male officer? >> Yes. It's Officer Smith. Officer Smith. He said, "It's on camera." That's exactly what he said. What is your question? So, if it's on camera, right? Cuz that's like he's When he I said, "No, that's not true." He's like, "Yeah, it's on camera. We got it on camera." So, you want to just show me that >> You keep telling me that, but what is your question? My question is, if it's on camera, wouldn't you be able to verify that? Sure. So, wouldn't that be easier to verify their statement on camera than asking me "Is it true?" Nope. So, you think asking me is what they're saying true easier than verifying the camera? why they saw what they saw. Maybe they didn't see what they saw. Maybe they didn't see what they saw. You don't think that's valid? I don't think what's valid. They didn't see what they thought they saw. Are you telling me that or are you asking me? >> I'm asking you, is it not possible that they did not see what they claim they saw? That's not possible? Are you asking me if >> Okay. they have the capability to lie to me or something like that? You're being ridiculous, man. Do you have an actual question for me or not? Cuz I'm I'm tired of talking to you. Okay, then if you just tired of talking to me, sir, go conclude this traffic stop so From this is a big part of this isn't why we wanted to check in everything else like that is Officer Hall. Yep, that's correct. We want to make sure you're good to drive because again, whatever he saw with the driving concerned him at a point where You have a family, right? I imagine so. Would you be Would you be concerned if you were driving on the same roadway as somebody else who was not able to stay in their lane? Um that is a valid question, but And if >> framed in the wrong in the wrong way. >> How would you like me to frame it or how is it the wrong way? The way you're framing it, you're framing it I I know exactly what you're saying, but there's no point. But continue. Continue. >> No, but I'm just saying like if you'd want to make sure they were good to be on the road, correct? Mhm. Mhm. For their safety Mhm. and the safety of everybody else on the road. Right. Right. Right. >> that could be proven that somebody is safe and then worries everybody's worries out of their mind, wouldn't you just want to cooperate with that? No. No. >> Why not? Because I've seen plenty of the thing that your officer just a minute was saying is impossible. Lawsuits after lawsuits for false uh arrests, you know, illegal stops and all that. I've seen that happen. So, for him to say that it doesn't happen, it can't happen, I mean, things happen. Of course. I mean, like I said, I know you talked about speaking in absolutes is really hard to speak in absolutes cuz there's always an exception to anything. >> Mhm. But >> Do you agree on that? So, so your officer a few minutes ago was saying, "It's not possible. The These officers are right and they cannot uh pull me over for no reason and all that good stuff." So, yeah, but again, with absolutes, is it possible? Anything's possible. You can do anything you want to, but is it probable? Probably not. What it is it is definitely probable and it is Mhm. what's happening right now. So, it's absolute situation that we're dealing with right now. Okay. Mhm. Like I said, though, just so you know where we're coming from, that's our only reason we want to take have you step out, take a look at your eyes is good, then everybody goes about their night. I I do not want to participate in any of that. So, I'm I'm good the way I am. Any particular reason? Cuz I would not like to help you guys through try to find a way to justify this illegal stop, which I made clear to this young lady before. >> illegal stop. Because >> it's history. Yeah. You think that's sensor or something Mhm. illegal is therefore not valid, right? Yes. Yes. >> So, how would that validate the stop then if you're saying the stop itself is not valid? Uh I'm I'm sure you okay. Now, But you get where I'm coming from when I say that, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. I I hear you. I hear you. This is This is I'm going to give you two scenarios of how How would something like that play out? Okay. Let's say I get out, okay? Everything's good and you find nothing, which you guys will probably pester and try to find something cuz you guys want to validate the stop. >> First, we don't find anything. >> No, no, that Or any reason for us to >> Follow me here. Follow me. This is not my first time being pulled over or stopped by the cops, you know? I've dealt with the cops before, you know? So, I know. Then you guys will try to dig and dig like it is right now. Dig, dig, dig, dig to try to escalate to something else to find something and then when you eventually find nothing, you're like, "All right, fine. You can go." Now, if it comes to a point where you guys like, "Hey, I have to validate the stop." Then you'll just start looking for little technicalities, which I saw a video of a lawsuit that was being played online where a guy was pulled over, a young kid. He was like probably 19 or something like that. They pulled him over being in a bunch of >> that he was drunk. He was drunk. They did a PBT, triple zeros. He's like, "Oh, no, you're high." For Correct. >> Yeah. So, So, we don't want to be like that. We've all seen that. We all hear from that. >> So, why it happened because the guy willfully participated. So, if you participate, you put yourself expose yourself to all these scenarios. If you are in the clear, then stay in the clear. So, that's why I will not like to participate in any of that craziness. I would rather just sit here and let you guys conclude your traffic stop, which is bogus, so I can go about my way. This encounter highlights several constitutional principles that frequently arise during roadside investigations. Under the Fourth Amendment, officers must be able to articulate reasonable suspicion for initiating a traffic stop and cannot extend that stop beyond its original purpose without additional justification. At the same time, the Fifth Amendment protects individuals from being compelled to answer questions that could incriminate them. While drivers are generally required to provide identification and vehicle documentation, most investigatory questions remain voluntary. Situations like this demonstrate why understanding both police authority and constitutional protections can play a critical role during traffic stops.