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In this video, a police officer enters a private 24-hour gym after a complaint about someone inside. The man had authorized entry with a personal passcode, yet the officer immediately demands ID. Under the Fourth Amendment, officers need reasonable suspicion of a crime before detaining someone or requesting identification. This encounter quickly becomes a dispute over police authority versus constitutional rights. So, when I ask questions, simple questions, as you know, public employees, because to be quite honest, I'm military, right? I know my rights. I know the law. I study law. So, I'm just trying to make sure. So, in order for you to request and need my information, identification, you must have a suspicion of what? You have to have something We have a call. Somebody called in and said you were Should I give this a right to officer? >> of a crime. You must have a suspicion of a crime. What is the crime that you are suspecting me of? Again, she didn't elaborate. She said you were acting >> So, you have no crime to suspect me of, but you still want me to identify myself. Investigation for what? Cuz you have to have some kind of crime to investigate, right? No. You So, you just investigate people? You pick people out at random? You pick people out at random and just tell them to present ID. Uh again, I just told you it wasn't random. You just told me you don't have a You have suspicion, but you can't tell me what. >> called. I I told you a few minutes ago. I said we didn't just pick you up randomly. Suspicion of what crime? She wouldn't elaborate. Yeah, I see. She didn't say what it was. She said you were acting suspicious. Okay. I've been in here for hours. Who can say I'm acting suspicious when I've been in here for literally for hours? So, I would like to know what crime >> your little thing. I would like to know what crime I'm suspected of, because you have to have a suspicion of some kind of crime to ask for evidence for my identification. This is This is actually a free country. That's the That's the whole Nazi thing of of uh freedom papers. We don't do freedom papers in the United States. I would like to know what crime. Cuz I don't do freedom papers. You're making this really worse than it needs to be. I'm just trying to make sure that my rights are not violated. >> They're not being violated. So, suspicion of what crime? The man repeatedly asks the officer to identify a specific suspected crime. This type of questioning is common in constitutional policing discussions because courts generally require officers to describe objective facts that justify an investigative stop. You don't give me your ID now. We could be gone by now. All I want to know is suspicion of what crime. This is a simple question. It's a simple question. I would like If I'm going to give you an If you're actually requesting ID cuz you can't demand, you can only request as a public servant. And I'm here. And I'm asking. Yes, and I'm asking you so I can properly give you identification, what crime are you suspecting me of? Again, there's not necessarily a crime here. We're trying to ID you because we have a call on you. That That's towards the street. That's towards the corner. That's it. So, >> We have other things we could be doing, man. I've been here already dealing with you going over this. And I know this, so why and all that stuff. Do you have warrants? No, why would I have warrants? I'm here in the gym working out. Then we could be gone, man. We got other stuff to do. Do you know how what you are supposed to do as uh constitutional purpose person cuz you're supposed to hold up constitutional rights, right? That's your job. Hold the Constitution. And And again, >> The Constitution literally says there must be suspicion of a crime. And I would like to just know what crime. That's all I asked. And you can't even articulate clearly what crime there is, which you must do. I said we have the right to investigate when people call in. We have a right to investigate what may or may not be. So, if To me, to me, don't matter whether you have it or not. So I would just like to know so if I did not have any idea on me, what would you do then? We try to figure out who you are. And how would you go about that purpose? Cuz I already know you. Who? I already know you. If you already know who I am then why are you asking for identification? At this stage the officer appears to acknowledge recognizing the individual. If an officer already knows a person's identity and there is no active investigation tied to a crime, the justification for continuing to demand identification can become legally questionable. I have an idea who you Oh, so you know who I am. You still want to ask me for identification. I said I have an idea who you are. No, no, you said you know who I am. I have it on recording. You have You said I know who I am. I knew you know who I am, right? >> I have an idea who you are. So if you know who I am like you stated firstly, why are you asking me for identification? Okay. I'm just trying to make sure my white rights aren't violated. And right now I have this going live on Periscope cuz I'm trying to make sure that everyone knows that what's going on here. That's fine. And you're not being violated. We're asking you for your ID, man. If you can't provide your ID, you think you're being violated, then do what you got to do. All right. We have a job to do. Somebody called and complained on you. So you I again, we weren't the ones We don't know anything about it. We haven't called for anything. All right. And again, you're making this way worse than it is. So you get some some There is nothing around here. There's nothing around here. This is a warehouse building. All right. So no one can even see my car from here. So I'm trying to understand who can possibly call you for violation or complaint. So where did you get this complaint from because there's nothing around? >> No, I didn't say that. This is not This is not a resident This is a commercial area. Where is there a Where is there a building around or any kind of housing where someone can see my car well enough I can see your house from here. street, so I'm going to come to your house. And your And your first name is Leroy. I go by Leroy. Leroy, last name Grant. Uh sometimes yeah I go by Grant or another name which is my married name. Okay. And you already said you have my you know who I am. So, I'm trying to figure out if you know who I am, you're saying you're calling about a suspicious No, you said it's on the recording that you already know who I am. So, I'm just trying to make sure that we got everything in clear state. You're saying that you came in here on your own you have a password code and all to get in here. I This is the only way you can get in is a passcode. No, but if you let me in and I don't have a passcode. They're not allowed to do that. If you see the signs out front it says you're not allowed to buzz people in. And there's nobody here besides the two of us. And he came in after me if you can ask him. So. Well, that's all I was asking you, sir. Okay, I'm just making sure you know. And you're Caroline County, correct? Yep. Is this Caroline County? Yes. I thought this was Dorchester. How is this Dorchester? Dorchester County. How is this Dorchester? I swore it was Dorchester. >> Caroline. I was part of Caroline, okay. Yep. So, you know all my information know everything about me as you stated. What is the purpose of this? This is what I'm trying to figure out. And you still haven't articulated clearly in understandable fashion why you're here talking to me. You only said you have a report from someone about something that you can't articulate which is you has to be a crime in order for you to even be here or serving me a warrant if you actually want my identification which you must have in order for me to actually have to give you identification. You're stopping me from my workout. That's That's detaining me. >> I never said you stop. So, I can continue working out? Okay. Well, I'm just going to make sure this stays right here. Your license is suspended. Is it? So, you So, that's what you think? Is that what I think? Mhm. Is that what they told you? Who told you that? The MVA. The MVA told you that? And when did they tell you that? When did they tell you that? A moment ago. Just a second ago? Okay. And how did you see my license plate? It's on the car. So, you were looking for my license plate? Yeah, we ran it through the problem. And I wanted everything clear as far as our checks. However, if they come back that you are you have a suspended license. Okay, so I had to compile the courts. All right. That's kind of interesting because a month ago I went to the MVA and got a Maryland license because I didn't have one. >> Just confirmed it, you are suspended. With what court did you confirm that with? It says Sheriff of the courts. So, can I ask just just cuz you obviously have all my information, what license what license number do you have? Kind of license, that's your vehicle out there. What license number do you have? >> trying to explain that to you. Is that your white your white car out there? You said I have a suspended license, correct? Okay. We ran it through the primary We ran a check of that name. You said your name is Leroy Grant. We ran that. They confirmed that your license is suspended, okay? And what license number do you have since you said you confirmed it. >> have a license number. >> So, you confirmed it without having actually a license number to confirm. We confirm it through other stuff. You confirmed it without having a license number to confirm. We can do it by name and date of Hm? We can do it by name and date of Okay. Okay. Yep. You good, man? You good to go? Mhm. You have a nice day. So, I got to say I don't drive. I travel. You should know the difference in law. There's There's law's a great thing. It teaches you stuff. Your travel? Mhm. Actually, yes, it does. It's called Supreme Court ruling. You should look it up. I have some documents in the car if you want to see them. I can show you the paperwork if you want to see it. You want to see the paperwork? I got the paperwork and the law on it. I keep it with me at all times. You don't want to see the paperwork? I can show you the law. You don't got to leave. You said you wanted to talk to me. I can show you something. Oh, you don't want to talk now? Encounters like this often come down to a core constitutional rule. The Fourth Amendment requires reasonable suspicion before police can detain someone or compel identification. While officers may investigate complaints, their authority is limited by the need for clear, articulable facts suggesting a crime. In this case, the key issue raised was the absence of a clearly stated crime, showing how unclear legal grounds can quickly turn a routine inquiry into a dispute over rights and authority.
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