all right good afternoon everybody this is daniel here with cop watch tv thank you so much for joining our live event this is our opportunity to interact with the audience and to not only talk about some of the issues and stories that are happening in the police world but to also in real time go over some questions and comments so we're going to shout out a couple people we have we asked where people are watching from so we have dave freed from michigan marcos lopez from arizona and tracks dutch from europa that's great and i think we have some people from tennessee and kentucky as well so just want to welcome everybody here at joplin missouri joplin i've driven through there great and and uh we have polygraph from wisconsin nice to see some people from the midwest in here as well so again my name is daniel with cop watch tv you can go ahead and follow me at police law news either at youtube or on tech talk i do daily stories but today we're going to go over so a road map of kind of where we're going today is the three biggest stories that really got the most interest this week are we're going to do a little bit on the evolving school shooting so the chief of the police of the texas yuvaldi school district he finally gave a public statement so we're going to go over some of his statements and really some of his excuses also there were 31 members of a right wing white supremacist group called patriot front rested in coeur d'alene idaho last weekend at a pride event so we're going to talk about that and then the last thing we're going to talk about is a case where not surprisingly a good guy with a gun stopped a possible mass shooting incident at a summer camp in dallas so you know while i'm going through these stories if you have questions or comments we definitely like to get everybody involved if you do a super chat that'll obviously get to the front we'd love to see that and we can definitely get that comment heard but we really want to hear from everybody on here about just thoughts opinions questions and again so here we go so the first case so kind of before we get to those three main cases i'm just going to do a couple minutes on the swimming case the water rescue case of sean bickings in tempe arizona now we've gone through this a bunch of times and the main thing about this is the police officers didn't jump into the water after sean bickings and there was some controversy about that so i just i thought about this a lot and there's been a lot of chat and and talk about it and really i just want to say that if we want police officers to know how to do water rescue i'm not saying that that's a bad idea but we have to do a couple things so we have to train police officers how to do that we have to give them equipment such as flotation devices in order to successfully complete a water rescue and then also we have to have i know this maybe sounds basic we have to have some kind of a plan for police officers to secure their duty equipment because one of the issues with this is we know officers can't jump in the water with 30 pounds of gear on like that doesn't make any sense and they can't just leave all their gear their gun on the pier for anybody to grab so there has to be some kind of a plan in place for what to do with duty gear if you go into the water so i think those three things have to happen for police departments who do want officers to do this the best way to do anything is to incentivize it so maybe so police departments already if you're in swat in the dui unit in traffic bombs if you have extra training in crisis intervention or you are bilingual a lot of police departments officers who have those extra skills pay them a small stipend twenty five dollars a paycheck fifty dollars a paycheck something to incentivize it or it could be something where if you take this water rescue training maybe that gets you points towards a sergeant test towards a detective test or maybe it's a prereq prerequisite to go to swat or bombs so those are just some of my thoughts on you know what police department do when it comes to water rescue instead of just we're going to call the fire department and we're going to request a boat which probably isn't going to get there until it's too late to save someone so if you have any thoughts about some of those ideas i had um i'd like to like to hear about it so definitely go ahead and put it in the chat and so the first case we're going to talk about is uh okay so todd cavanaugh asked usually police have their vehicles outfitted for any emergencies yes but i mean it would really depend where you are so if you're working up in maine where there's moose and bear you might have different things and different tools to deal with that if you work in tempe arizona you might have different tools to deal with different types of things so definitely not all police agencies and police officers are outfitted with the same types of equipment if you think about this way a state police officer in a rural state they might be 45 minutes away from any backup so it's more likely that those types of officers might have ar-15s and you know ballistic shields whereas a city police officer who backup is 30 seconds away might not be outfitted with all of those different tools and different types of equipment so yes whatever the citizens and the police department wants police officers to have we should equip those officers with it so they can handle emergencies appropriately okay so um when it comes to uvaldi um so also there were um uh yeah so in that in that temperature officers were i think 40 yards away from the individual so he wasn't he wasn't close to shore when it comes to yuvaldi so pete arredondo he is the chief of police of the uvalde public school district and he is the one who really people are blaming for you know the response for the the tragic school shooting and obviously we've gone over it before the school shooting was problematic the response was just awful from police so pete arredondo he hasn't done any media interviews until around june 9th he actually did a phone interview with the texas tribune and on june 9th the texas tribune they published an article basically documenting that and in it i read that article and pete arredondo he said three main things three main takeaways that i have from this that he said about why this why this happened and kind of how his actions were so the first one that i just find extremely strange is that pete arredondo said that he was one of the first officers to arrive on scene which makes sense the uvalde public school district police is a police department of six officers and then him as the the chief so he was one of the first to respond and this is the crazy thing he said he said that he purposely left his radio in the car he said he didn't want the radio to slow him down or get the radio to slow him down he also made some comments about not being able to manipulate both his gun and his radio so anyone in law enforcement or who follows law enforcement this is an absolutely insane thing to say so just first of all you don't have a radio clip there's no proper way to carry a radio and a gun this seems extremely poor planning if that's the case um he he also when you're in an emergency besides a gun one of the most important things that a police officer can have is their radio this is how officers can not only distribute information that they're seeing to dispatch to relay to other resources and to coordinate but also this is how officers receive information so you know maybe one of the reasons that pete arredondo said he didn't know that there were school children and teachers who were alive and possibly needing medical aid in the room with the shooter he said he said he just didn't know that was the case well maybe it's because he didn't have a radio so this is one of the reasons why this is just very very basic and another thing that he said that i find infuriating is he said that well it wouldn't have mattered if i brought a radio because radios don't work in the school anyways radios don't work in the school well during a school shooting seems like a strange time to bring that up who's the chief of police who's in charge so has pete arredondo before this happen has he brought this up to the city council that he's now sitting on has he brought this up to the city council to members of the government to members of the public like hey just so you know our police radios do not work inside the schools it just seems a very strange time to bring that up when there's an active school shooting so i think so that was one of the the main things that he said that i found that i found to be very strange and frankly frustrating he also said that he one of the things that prevented officers when they were in the hallway to getting into the classroom is they couldn't breach that door now the ivaldi public school district police against a small department of six offers i wouldn't expect them to have the most advanced breaching tools like i think it's reasonable that they wouldn't but what about a key so he said that he had to have multiple different janitors come by with these giant key rings he said the key ring weighed like 10 pounds and he's trying different keys almost like this is like a bad a bad sitcom episode from the 90s that you know he's trying different keys and he's not able to get in so the keys aren't labeled neither the janitors or the police department knows which key opens which door again the time to find that out during a school shooting is absolutely insane so even if we're absolutely going to criticize the police officers how they acted and what they did in the moment but there should be a lot of criticism also when it comes to planning radios don't work and you don't know how to get into a classroom the keys aren't labeled there's no master key that's absolutely insane also one of the other things he said is that he said that he was surprised that he was the incident commander he didn't know that he was the incident commander so he's the chief of police and he's one of the first on scene and he didn't know that he was the incident commander all these media interviews and and the news calling him the incident commander he said that's the first time he's heard of it well if you're the chief of police and the first one on scene who else would be the incident commander and you know i guess it's one of those things where you know i guess if you don't have a working radio to communicate with the five other police law enforcement agencies who are arriving on scene so if you don't have a radio to communicate with them yeah i guess it would make it difficult to know who is the incident commander but the assumption that he is the incident commander that would be the assumption um so these are these are the things that um that i think are are just extremely frustrating is the word that that i would i would read um so we just had a comment someone said that you know there's only six police officers and i think there's you know a couple there's like six different schools um so yeah so there's there's not a hundred schools in this school district there's a couple different schools i think that there's six schools so again the idea of not knowing how the idea of not knowing how to get into classrooms is extremely crazy and one of the things that not only we have been working on but a lot of other media agencies have also been working on is obviously trying to get the body cam footage of what happened that day so we want the body cam footage and not only the body cam footage but also the cell phone footage so pete arredondo said that when he was in that hallway the only way he was communicating with dispatch was on his cell phone well i think i'm not the only one who wants to know what was said on that cell phone if he was calling dispatch or emergency communications that should be recorded that should be public information as well even if it's a personal phone um so one of the problems with when it comes to ipro laws and these are the types of laws essentially public information laws where you know police were news agencies and the media can get copies of body camera footage and different things that are public information that our public servants do so every state has different ipr laws texas is notorious for not having journalists or media friendly ipper laws so we're already operating in a venue that isn't friendly to media when it comes to this and we have this situation where it's going to make a lot of people look bad and they're going to be apprehensive to let it go to not let it out anyways so they're essentially what the attorney general of texas believe his name is ken paxton what the attorney general of texas is saying when it comes to the release of the body cam videos is he's saying no and he's citing an ongoing investigation now a couple things on that so let's say the shooter was alive and the shooter was going to go to trial and they said because of trial purposes there's a lot of body cam footage that we're going to use in prosecution so we're not going to put it out publicly because we have witnesses we don't they could list all these reasons i would almost have sympathy not for all the video but i would have sympathy for that i would at least understand the line of thinking but there is no trial there is no offender who's going to be at least when it comes to the to the school shooter he's dead so there's there's no ongoing criminal action against the shooter so to me that excuse is just baffling of why they would not want to release i know i don't want to release it but that's the public excuse that they're giving so like i said our cop watch tv as well as i'm sure hundreds of other media organizations are trying to get the body camera footage and believe it as soon as the body camera footage is available it is going to be on cop watch tv immediately and we're going to come in here and do a breakdown of it as soon as possible so what kind of questions or comments do we have about some of these issues that we talked about here in uvalde texas um so like i said pete arredondo he you know slippery pete basically gave three different excuses for what happened you can read the article at the texas tribune there's more to it but those were the big three takeaways and they're like the word i keep thinking about is it is is frustrating not only the actions in the moment but everything that led up to it um one other thing peter redondo also didn't have his body armor for some reason his body armor wasn't on so he left it in the car so no body armor and no radio so i i think a reasonable question that a lot of people are asking is what was he doing before the shooting where he's not seemingly not dressed up and ready to go um okay so let's see what some of the the comments are uh about this all right uh someone said i'm pretty sure radios work in most places i'm pretty sure that radios work in some places too and if you are a police department for a school district it would seem really the only place that you would want radios to work are in the schools so again this is extremely infuriating um so kicking fates what kind of a comment do we have here i think uh let's see any police officer that leaves children decides to die while they stay outside a whole body armor on and armed to the teeth fully trained this kind is okay so so there's there's frustration about the reaction and response from the police officers so let's say that we're not saying we believe peter redondo but let's say we believe peter adanda that through his poor planning and incompetence he didn't have a radio so the calls that were coming into dispatch he didn't know that there were kids and everybody in there and they're in the hallway well again it's not having a radio to be able to know this information is extremely frustrating and because he was the incident commander reasonably whether he somehow didn't know that every other officer there would have been listening to him and um like i said the idea of not having radios insane vincent ranger he needs to resign immediately what a disgrace absolutely but instead of resigning he was sworn into the city council a week after this happened so let's see uh let's see so we had a poll pull-up is chief pete erdondo incompetent as a police officer so we've got 88 percent of people saying yes so i'm i'm curious why it isn't 100 so though there are some voices out there who don't think that he's incompetent i'm always interested to see what the other side says so if anyone has an idea of of why they think that his actions were not appropriate but even you know reasonable please put it in the chat and i'd like to do some honest discussion about some of those issues uh canon rep says thank you for this content well thank you canon rep and if you want to make sure that you still get the content you know make sure you you like subscribe and you know type on the notifications for cop watch tv that way you know every time we're going to do this and we said we're pretty much going to do it on on fridays and we do have one of our biggest fans and you should actually follow their channel as well because it's unbelievable it's called only cops only cop says if he didn't know he should assume oh my goodness he said if uh only cops where'd you go if he didn't know he should have assumed that there's no one left to save either exactly no that that's an absolutely um something to say so only cops they are um uh former police officers in texas and so they they have some some you know firsthand knowledge of kind of what's going on there um and uh so thank you for that comment also turtle lookalike urkel all right we have a super chat so what thank you so much for that turtle look alike urkel super chat i appreciate that he said what if the cops just wanted to take him in alive so that's a reasonable so that's a good question let me explore that for a second so if the cops wanted to take him in alive well well first of all that wouldn't be the goal of any normal any normal trained reasonable police officers that isn't the goal if you can take someone and alive i mean great you know police officers no matter what the situation is unless someone is posing a deadly immediate threat you can't use deadly force but still the goal from a normal reasonable trained police officer would be to get into the room and save the kids and the teachers and any innocent victim and when you get in there if bad guy puts his hands up and isn't armed anymore and surrenders well great you can take him in alive but the lives of the victims saving as many of those as possible is always going to be the goal so i i don't think that anyone thought okay we're not going to go in because we want to take this guy alive really an argument could be made that the longer this goes on the more carnage he creates the more damage he does really the less likely it is that he's going to be taken alive so you know even if that was the i don't think it was but even if that was the goal and the thinking of the police officers i still think that the way to achieve that would be to get in there as quickly as possible like i said the more damage you let him do the more likely it is that he's not going to go in alive because he's just in this too deep um all right so thank you so much for that question that was a really really good question uh so someone asked uh you've already screwed up bad completely went against protocol for an active shooter you're a hundred percent correct they did go against the protocol of an active shooter again we've talked about the protocol for an active shooter is once you get on scene whether you're one police officer two or ten as soon as you get there you go you go in you go towards the gunfire because the thinking is is that even if you know as a police officer you have to be willing to go in to risk your life and the thinking is that even if bad guys start shooting at me alright i have a weapon i have body armor i can somehow protect myself and if he's shooting at me he's not shooting at kids and that has to be the thinking and that is the training and anything else from a police officer an active shooter is not acceptable and we're going to kind of jensaki circle back to that idea of an active shooter in the third story that we that we get to um so let's see if we have any other questions about that i'd definitely like to go ahead uh uh definitely like to go ahead and um get to those um so also we do have a so one more thing about like the the the ipra and the texas so we do have a rejection letter so we did send in uh to ken paxton attorney general here is a rejection letter um from the attorney general of texas all right so basically denying the request for a dash cam and this is for a different case from january but i just want to show you that that's an example of the different ipper laws in the different states so you know we as a media organization we have tried to get body cam and dash cam from texas and this is for a different case that is not as high profile and we still have a difficult time getting it so i think we've done it 30 or so times in texas and they've all been denied so my prediction is is eventually we are going to see this body cam um it could take a while but eventually um the people have a right to know what their public servants are doing while they are on duty all right so here we go to the next case i'm going to talk about is a case that happened in coeur d'alene idaho so this was last week there was a pride event at coeur d'alene idaho and there's a group called patriot front so doing something i never thought i'd do doing a little bit of research on patriot front which is a right wing white supremacist group and the best research i can find is that they started in the dallas texas area kind of in 2017 after charlottesville now i've read some reports that they were a loosely affiliated group then charlottesville happened and then they had to rebrand themselves so somehow the current form of patriot front is you know what they think is a good rebranding initiative but so so it's hard to say it's like did the whole group start after charlottesville or were they something else and then after charlottesville then they the the the race riot the unite the right nonsense in charlottesville in 2017 then they rebranded to patriot friend either way on it this is an interesting case because it touches on issues like free speech which i think are just incredibly interesting so i'd like to know everybody's um thoughts on this on this case and not just this case in coeur d'alene but some of the bigger issues that this that this talks about and this is what i mean by that oh okay so shink asked patriot front rfeds no i'm going to get into that i don't think so and and it's not just because so we are going to show a picture i hope we do that now producer nick can you show a picture of the 31 people who were arrested in coeur d'alene idaho so these look like 31 really just inbred crazy people they do not look like feds um if you go to if you go to um so we're getting tons of questions so if you really need something answered um you can put it in the in the uh you can use the super chat option we are getting a lot of comments want to get to as many as possible but if you put in the super chat then we can guarantee that that one that one gets answered it will go to the top of the line so definitely think about that but you know these if you look at an fbi academy um that's not what these patriot front people look like so we're going to get a picture of that of that up but so what happened was that there was a pride event over the weekend in coeur d'alene idaho and one of our producers here on set is actually from that area so you know was able to give some more information on a lot of what a lot of what's happening out there and i guess that there were in the 90s in this area of of idaho that there were white supremacist groups who used to get together and parade around and celebrate hitler's birthday so i'm only mentioning that is because this part of idaho does have some i'll call it strange and controversial history when it comes to some of these awful right-wing white supremacist groups so okay there was a pride event like there was all over the country last weekend and at the pride event there was a call for service to the police department and this was just i believe it was a worker at a hotel but what the worker called into local police and said that there are multiple people dressed up in gear and it looks like they are preparing to do something all getting into the back of a u-haul well you know a reasonable police department would look into that so um a regional police officer was so the police department went you know long story short they did a traffic stop and there's all kinds of cell phone video about the arrest where you know the the police stopped the u-haul and people are they're open at the back of the u-haul and 31 of these people come out and essentially they're all arrested now they're arrested for a misdemeanor and it was conspiracy to riot so conspiracy to riot is a misdemeanor and so so basically what so conspiracy i had to go back to my law school books because i haven't had this in a while but when it comes to conspiracy crimes you know what you typically have to have is two or more people who are you know the lack of a better term talking about thinking about doing something criminal they have a plan together and then it's not just talking about it there has to be one step in furtherance of that act so you know if we think okay so they were obviously talking about it and then going to going to this town in in idaho um getting dressed up in their in their in their whatever kind of clothes they wear with their gear with their equipment and all going into the back of a u-haul the day of the of the pride event so any one of those things could be seen as at least for an arrest for probable cause of in furtherance of that act so you know police officers basically arrested them so i i just want to just talk so if it were feds so if you know we have a couple people in here staying in the fed so we have to think about it this way if it were feds here's what would have happened if one of them was a fed or what if one of them was an informant and maybe there was it's extremely possible that we don't have all the information yet and believe me as soon as we get it we're going to get it out to you but that maybe the public doesn't have all the information but let's think that someone in there was an informant with the federal government well what would have happened is there would have been a phone call hey listen these crazy guys and also hey we have requested the body cam footage of this so um if the body cam footage is is a little bit delayed but as soon as we get it we're out we're absolutely going to put it out there but if you think about if there was a fed in there there would have been a phone call so and there's like hey we're with this group where we're embedded and these guys they're doing something crazy so if that was the case that would have been the probable cause like that would have been what was used in order to arrest them so essentially you wouldn't have needed a citizen who just happened to call in to say hey look at what these guys are doing local police get there so i guess my point is that if there was someone embedded the arrest probably would have happened maybe the day before maybe as these guys entered idaho probably not once they're all in the u-haul you know driving over to the to to the to the pride event so i'm just saying that like you know if if that was the case and if local police now there's always the possibility that local police and the federal government aren't working together so maybe there was an informant in there but also that you know local police it just happened to work out this way so like i said i don't think that these people are feds but you never know if one of them happened to be an informant but the illegally the interesting part of this is is okay so they essentially weren't arrested for rioting they were arrested for arrested for conspiracy to riot so what they might do so even if and i think everybody agrees these people have bad ideas we don't like their ideas we don't like their thoughts we we don't it's the best thing where i can put it we don't like these bad ideas but you the government cannot and should not arrest people just because of bad ideas so that's some of the criticism that we're getting right now or that the police department is getting in general is that and you know the attorney for some of these patriot front people who basically said that you know they hadn't committed a crime yet and this is thought crime you know that this is they were doing whether we like it or not and everybody doesn't we don't like their speech but the idea their attorney is saying but the idea that they can't go in public to say this that's problematic that's a violation of the first amendment and i think that's a really interesting thing so when it comes to these first amendment cases the the best way to to kind of think about these in big in in big picture is not do i is is to look at it like if it was someone that you agreed with so if it was someone that you agreed with would you want police officers to do this maybe you're a supporter of black lives matter maybe your supporter of antifa or maybe you are a supporter of either a pro-life group or a pro-choice group well if there's the idea of we're going to some type of event that is for the opposition and we're going there and we're going to scream and yell and hold up signs the idea that you can be arrested for that i think a lot of people have a problem with that um we should also also say that you know so they kind of again like i said earlier they dealt with this issue in the 90s so the coeur d'alene city council actually had to approve um uh the the a parade permit for the aryan brotherhood um you know for for a demonstration that they did in the 90s based on first amendment grounds so so you know i'll be just because it's the law of of uh conspiracy to riot just because it's on the books in coeur d'alene doesn't mean it's constitutional so so you know there's obviously no sympathy for the crazy people in patriot front no sympathy at all and i think that the local police officers knowing what they had probably did the right thing in the moment but the bigger issue the bigger picture of what do we do with groups of people who have ideas that we don't like you know should we arrest them again in the summer of 2020 there were protests that caused billions of dollars of damage all around the country and not that i can remember that as people were driving to these riots or to these protests people weren't getting arrested in mass by police officers beforehand before they rioted so i think that's an interesting an interesting question and i think it's something that local and city governments are going to have to do but i definitely expect challenges on the first amendment on first amendment grounds for all these groups so let's see what people have in the chat about some of the thoughts about this particular case and again most of the i know a lot of a lot of comments we have about that these people were feds and again it's always possible we just haven't seen any evidence of that yet so if it comes out we'll be extremely extremely um curious to see if that's the case um let's see so ms love says i love your channel well thank you so much if there's any specific content or cases that you want definitely leave a comment and we try to be um put out content that the viewers like and think is interesting uh let's see so so alex duke says it is uh just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's okay for them to be arrested this is america the cost of free speech is your feelings they don't matter freedom of speech is more important so i i like that comment because i i pretty much agree um i always say in my private life and then also when i when i do videos and live streams that you know i'm pretty much a first amendment absolutist that that if there are bad ideas and again i can't say it enough patriot front is a group that has bad ideas we all like 99 of normal people whether you are left or right do not like the ideas of patriot front so what do we do when there are bad ideas and you know should there be thought crime should there be like a minority report pre-crime or should bad ideas should bad speech is the answer to that more speech you know let's get one of these patriot front guys out there and let's have someone reasonable who's knowledgeable on the other side let them talk for 20 minutes and yeah 99 of the people in the country are going to agree with the reasonable person and not the racist white supremacist but the idea of but i think what you're getting at is the idea of free speech the idea of that is more important than any singular bad idea that people are going to talk about and if that's your comment i agree with you a hundred percent now in the moment law enforcement who are trying to prevent a riot and to keep people safe especially if there is a law which again the police didn't write the law but you know especially if there is a law like that on the books in the moment i understand why the police officers did what they did and especially because there's a law on the books i think that they likely did the right thing in that in that scenario and if people have a problem with it they can go ahead and challenge that law in court and it'll be up to a uh it'll be up to a court to see if it is constitutional or not and those are some issues i think are extremely interesting so we do have a chat uh poll up that says should police have arrested the patriot front people so let's see what you think should they have been arrested in the moment or not then i kind of gave some context of what local law enforcement might have been thinking and then some of the greater free speech issues that you know in the moment you know while there's a pride parade going on and 31 people that might riot it's difficult for police officers in the moment to kind of think about some of those larger issues especially if there's already a law on the books so so a lot of police departments do training and they have a plan in place when it comes to a lot of these um um you know if there's a pride parade or if there's any type of uh and the property wasn't a protest but you know you can imagine situation where there is a protest going on so anytime that there's an event a lot of times you get people who feel the exact opposite maybe it's a pro-life event or it's a pro or the women's rights event you get groups on the other side who think the opposite way and that's where a lot of the problem comes in most of the time people say we're going to meet at civic plaza at 3 p.m and we're going to stand around and we're going to march and we're going to do science a lot of the time you know those go safely and peacefully which is the goal of police departments to protect you know everybody who is peacefully protesting the problem and the issue for law enforcement as you can imagine is when the opposition group comes in and then there's a clash between the two groups so police departments do typically train for that there is training there's education there is a plan in place hey what do we do if 18 members of patriot front come who knows if that's what they're thinking in court lane or if they were even expecting this but you know there typically is a plan in place for a counter demonstration and how police officers deal with that now again it is important to say that you know people who have a counter demonstration their right to free speech is just as valid and just as true as the individuals who are doing the initial demonstration or parade or the initial protest but those are some big picture interesting uh free speech issues darth vader 1701 yes freedom of speech is absolute i love that thinking um it's not absolute so you can't and i think he probably knows but you can't you can't threaten people you can't yell fire in a theater so you can't do things like that but just talking about what's your opinion you can't incite a riot you can't tell other people hey go over there and start you know in committing criminal acts but yeah the idea of freedom of speech i think is more important for us to hold that than to suppress any ideas that we all agree are bad um yeah and e the elg says fighting words etc yeah that's that's exactly correct thank you um uh so let's see if we have any other comments about that in the chat and yeah people keep saying that patriot front were mostly feds and so i think this is um i'm not i think this is a situation where you know if you look at where governor whitner in miss in michigan when the kidnapping plot to kidnap her last year you know we came out and try all that and i can't remember exactly how many of these people were there but it was like a good portion of this group were either feds or were fbi informants so i think especially when we have an incident like and again and that information wasn't made known right away so i think that people are saying well you know when stuff like this happens you know maybe four five eight months from now it might come out that you know a lot of these people are feds um in what happened in coeur d'alene so like i said i'll be i'll be interested i don't i don't think so um i was watching the news the other day and the mother of one of these 29 year old people who were arrested surprisingly he still lives in her basement i know everybody's going to be shocked by that but he still lives in her basement she basically gave him no you know most parents would say hey you're part of a white supremacist group that's one strike and you went out you traveled three states away to go to idaho to basically be a jerk you know at this pride event that's two strikes so she didn't just kick him out from that she basically said on the news i don't know how she thought this would help but she said you can't do any patriot front group you can't you can't do you can't do anything with them you can't do any meetings or any demonstrations with them while you're living here so i think that's part of the problem but yeah the 29 year old guy who lives lives in his mom's basement so she was on the news the other day clearly he's not a fed um so i i have a feeling that most of the people are in his category and not federal agents um yeah john drennan says fire in a crowded theater is uh addicted not law yeah no true true yeah that it's not it's not it's not law however you know the supreme court has put um some limitations on the on the on on free speech that is that is one of them um okay so let's see if we get the end of that poll um it looks like it's about 50 50 um about people who think that the the patriot front people should be arrested so so i guess so just one more thing on that what i think is interesting is we have we we know hindsight we know hindsight of you know what happened who they are we know that because i don't think they had guns you know we know what they did um but i wonder if the poll would be different if we were able to somehow do that pull in real time if we were able just to go there in real time and say hey here's what the police officers have we don't have the benefit of hindsight right now should they arrest these people on these misdemeanor charges which again the law is on the books there so i wonder what people think about that and then obviously you know looking at it at hindsight it looks like it's about 50 50. my guess is that if the question were posed in the moment with what the police knew that would probably be a little bit higher saying that the police officers should have arrested these people that's just what i think but i'm not i'm not sure um let's see uh so james eccles says yes arrest patriot fronts not antifa and black lives matter rioters so i i think that's so i i you know all of these groups you know have different goals it's never it's never good to group all of them together but we can group behavior together so no matter which one of these groups that you're a part of peacefully protesting is a first amendment protected activity and we should all protect it no matter what even if we don't like the people are saying no rioting um any type of violence property damage we should all be able to say that's bad so you can hold both things in your mind at the same time two ideas at once you know peaceful protesting is a great thing in america and we're gonna protect it no matter what the people think or saying and then also any type of rioting violence property damage we're all gonna say that's bad and i think most people kind of in the alt middle um agree with that which i think is a reasonable position to have um so the last story that we're going to talk about well i have a couple but the main last one is um so there's a day camp in dallas called the duncanville field house and there were 250 kids at this day camp it's like this giant field house i think they have like basketball courts and all kinds of stuff you know it's one of those things i think my kid would probably love to go to for summer camp but they had 250 kids at this summer camp and this guy 42 year old brandon keith he came to the field house and he started firing his gun outside the field house well pretty much in the reports that we're getting as soon as that happened you know the the counselors and the people in there started to call the police they called the police and the police are so we're going to do pretty much the opposite so think of everything that pete arredondo and evaldi did these guys here in dallas at the duncanville field house did the exact opposite so the reports we're getting is they did everything right they got there within two minutes by the time the police officers got there the counselors they did a couple things they escorted as many kids away from the main door where bad guy was coming in so that's a good thing that they did right away and also there was a counters reports that there was a counselor there who actually had a confrontation with the bad guy at the door so i don't think these counselors are armed or anything like that but at least one of the civilian counselors you know put themselves in harm's way in order to protect the kids so the bravery there is absolutely and it is it is amazing and that is what we we'd love to see from people who are trying to protect kids so bad guy gets in um he does fire a couple rounds inside the actual field house thankfully no one is hurt or killed or anything like that police get there in two minutes which is an absolutely great response time two minutes they enter right away and they encounter a bad guy in the gymnasium they exchange gunfire and it doesn't end up too well for bad guys so um his name is brandon keith he was 42 years old and he was deceased on scene no children or anyone else was um no children or anybody else was injured or hurt and that is obviously the goal of this so when it comes to an active shooter this is how police officers should behave during an active shooter this is what the training is this is what police officers should do so the response there was unbelievable uh let's see nicole han said supposedly texas has a loophole to keep body camera away from the public if the suspect is dead so that is a great question or comment and i don't know um again i i don't think that's the case um so our legal team we are going to look into that um but so but the texas attorney general as i kind of said earlier on a few around nicole but you know he the reason he gave for not the reason he gave for not releasing the body camera footage at least for uvaldi was that there was an ongoing investigation so ongoing investigation if it's reasonable that's something that the police that you know law enforcement officials you know it's almost a reasonable reason but you know if someone's dead well there's no criminal investigation there's no trial there's not you're not saving this for witnesses now could there be civil trials and stuff sure but that's difficult that's different than there being a criminal defendant that the state is going to try to prosecute so so the the loophole you mentioned about not being able to release if someone is is dead that i don't think that's the case um that doesn't make sense um not that much of this makes sense but that that doesn't make sense um i don't think and also the texas attorney general did not cite that um because it seems like if that was the case he could have just said that hey this guy's dead you know here's the law sorry guys so that isn't what he said they cited ongoing investigation so um that's what i that's what i think um also when it comes to that uh active shooter at the duncanville field house in dallas they haven't talked about a motive so there hasn't been a lot on this guy um his picture is out there but you know what his actual motives are we don't we don't know um and you know a lot of times this happens and people think well you know if there is an active shooter you know what can i do and uh you know that's a really great question i know we had a couple different people ask that what to do in an active shooter situation and the best thing you can do is look to local law enforcement you know call police get to a place that is that is safe i know local police departments do have information on how what you should do in an active shooter situation so it's hard for me to give specific advice except you know as soon as you can try to get to a place just common sense try to get to a place that is that is safe try to get everybody as safe as possible be a good witness that's the main thing and you know also call um call local police so they know something is going on almost immediately and if you can get away from the shooter obvi again it's common sense but that's that's the thing to do but a lot of local police departments would put out information for what they expect or want citizens to do in situations like that um so i don't know if we have any other questions about the uh um the shooting or the duncanville field house active shooter um and yeah so the lg says run hide fight yeah um i think that's that's if you're going to put into three words that seems like a reasonable thing to do i think daily wire just did a movie with that title as well i'm not sure but yeah that seems like a reasonable a reasonable thing sig sauer says they should all be fired if they can't do their job yeah we're talking about evaldi texas a hundred percent um fixed game said it's hot as blazes in texas i bet it is i think it's always hot in texas um okay so do we have any other que any other questions or comments you know definitely go ahead and put it in there about any of these cases that we went um over today and again i know we have just a lot of different questions coming in that we'd like to get to so if you drop a super chat you know that'll definitely get to the front we'll be able to see that right away that definitely that definitely helps um it helps our producers go through all of the questions and the content that we're getting so so just a couple of the other things that we might be working on for next week is um and and is so there was a case in arlington texas on october 20th of last year where there was an officer involved shooting and i'm not going to give too much of it away but it was an officer-involved shooting in arlington texas where it was a dwi case so a drunk driver who just wasn't stopping kind of a slow speed chase and we have a police officer who fired into a moving vehicle that was moving towards him kind of at a slow pace so yesterday he was actually charged with murder so we're going to be looking into that case um i also think we're going to be looking in that case see how much information we can get on that but that's cases like that are always interesting to try to see you know why were there policies that were violated by the police should they have done something different or you know was this a justified officer involved shooting um we also have a new video coming out so essentially it's a detective being arrested on duty and that's going to be dropping in the next couple days so definitely make sure that you know you like subscribe and do do all of the notifications um on this channel on copwatch tv so you know when those are coming up that's going to be a great video and again if you want to follow me i'm at police law news on tick tock and youtube the other case that i that we might we might get into at some point is there was a shooting an officer of shooting in naperville illinois which essentially a police officer who was on a traffic stop a vehicle who had nothing to do with the traffic stop an individual stopped right by the officer and basically jumped out of the car and attacked the officer with a hatchet so we might we might get into that that already because that is a that is an interesting case um as well so those are some of the main um issues in in policing and law enforcement that you know we could we're going to kind of look at this week now if there are any other stories or questions that you think are interesting that you would like us to cover um definitely put it in the chat and let us know because we definitely take that into consideration when we're doing research and investigation into these cases to see what people are interested in so uh kiwi welch says i don't respect people on tick tock well i kind of respect that but fine but you can still go ahead and follow me on tech the way i see so youtube is the best obviously but the way i see tick tock it's kind of like a video version of twitter um and it's it's it's fun so uh let's see do we have any [Music] okay so um steve compton says dude please do a deep dive into the el paso walmart shooting nobody's done it and um i i think i know which case that you're talking about so yeah so that is something i'm gonna look into so i i think if i know correctly this is the case where essentially the guy was being arrested for shoplifting and he was kind of give the cops some problem inside the actual walmart there's great body cam video and surveillance video of this case and you know as he's being escorted out he they try to handcuff him there's a fight and you know during the fight he goes to the ground and he has a firearm and there's an officer involved shooting pretty much right there in walmart near the checkout so if that's the case that you're talking about let us know so i did look into that a little bit when it happened i think it was sometime in the last four or five months i remember looking into that while it happened but i haven't done one of my videos on it and i know we haven't covered it here on cop watch tv so one of the things that we do on cop watch tv is we love to talk about things that are happening now news now in the moment kind of doing a weekly recap because everybody thinks that is so interesting but you know we could also talk about other cases that have happened in the past that you know we definitely might want to get into also there was a tragedy this week two el monte uh police officers were killed i believe that's right outside la so we actually have been looking into that as well um i started doing research our team started to do research on this um the last couple days because that was a treasure two young police officers between them they had five kids i believe it was in reference to a domestic violence incident where the woman had the the mom had a restraining order against this guy and she even went to as far and to go to a hotel to try to get away from him and you know he showed up at the hotel and there was a call for service there and two police officers um tragically lost their lives again between the two of them they have um they have five kids um i do think there's a couple different um uh foundations set up for them for for the families um so we can we can go ahead and maybe dive deep into more uh that more last week so um yeah i just want to say thank you everybody for joining our live and participating you know the questions and the comments are really just getting better every week and yeah so that's going to conclude the live stream this week and i hope everybody has a great and safe weekend thank you you