Hello. Hey, reason I'm stopping you is you went over the right fog line on Copley Road just past East. Did you realize that you did that? >> Yeah, my steering wheel was a little loose. >> Little bit messed up? Okay. Is the car registered to you? >> No, it's registered to my mom. >> Your mom? All right, can I get your driver's license? >> I don't have one. >> Don't have one? Okay. Suspended or what's up? >> I'm not even supposed to get it yet. I'm 23. >> How old are you? >> 21 23. >> 23? Just never got your license? Okay. GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR PHONE UP ON THE DASHBOARD FOR ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD and put your phone up on the dash for me. Take your seatbelt off. Door unlocked? Is it unlocked? Go ahead and unlock it. Stay seated in the car. Go ahead and give me your left hand. It's just cuz you don't got a license, okay? I'm going to turn your arm here. All right, go ahead and other hand on your head for me. Go ahead and step out. Keep your hand on your head. All right, go ahead and put your hand behind your head or back here. Where you guys live at? Noah? >> Am I getting arrested or detained? >> Detained right now. Uh you don't got a license, okay? We'll figure out what's going on there. >> Do you have a license? >> No, I'm I don't drive at all. >> Any firearms or anything in the car? No, okay. I smell a little bit of weed. Were you guys smoking in the car? She was? Okay, you weren't smoking at all? Okay. All right, go ahead and stand All right, so face the car for me here. So, when you smoking a car is the same thing as having like an open container, okay? So, you can't smoke in a car and drive. You can't drink in a car and drive. Same thing, okay? Anything on you that could poke, stick, or stab me? No, you care if I go in your pockets? That's okay? And you said that's your girl? Spread your feet for me. So, it's mom's car you said? Okay, is that where you guys were coming from? >> Yeah. >> Were you Okay. All right. Um, let's have you take a seat back here. We're going to run your license and then we'll go from there, okay? All right, you said no firearms, nothing like that in the car? Do you care if we take a look? >> No. >> That's okay? >> No. >> No, it's not okay? >> It's not my car, that's my mom's car. I mean, there's not nothing in it. >> Okay. I understand it's your mom's car, but you're the one that has possession of the car right now. Um, so that question is to you. Okay. She was smoking in the car, right? Did you see something? >> Uh no. No. It's just a survival kit. Uh >> Ma'am, were you smoking in the car? >> I personally was. He doesn't smoke at all, honestly. >> Have you been arrested before? >> Yeah. >> You have? What for? >> Um What was the charge? >> Huh? >> Uh I can't remember the charge. It was I had a um a wea- I was carrying a concealed weapon. >> Concealed weapon? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So, you don't have anything on your driving. >> I actually had it on my appointment for that um this Thursday. >> I'm sorry, speak up. >> I actually had a appointment for that this Thursday at the DMV. >> Oh, okay. All right. >> [clears throat] >> Here's what we're going to do. I'm not going to write you a ticket. I'm not going to tow the car. Okay? But, you cannot move this car until a valid driver comes and gets you. >> Um >> [snorts] >> So, can I Is it all right if you all take us to my mom's house so we can walk up to your so you can come get the car? Cuz I don't want her to walk it. That's my daughter's mom. >> You don't want who walking? >> Her. She's not >> house a block away? >> I don't I don't think he got a license, though. That's what I'm saying. So, I just was going to get my game system and we was going back home. But, like I said, we live >> back there. It's kind of hard to hear you. What you say? >> I said I don't think he has a license cuz he just came home as well around 2 years ago. >> Mhm. >> So, um I was just going to I was going to leave the car right there, but I was going to see if you all could take me and my girl to my mom's home. I don't know It's on It's on the other side of Copper on Miller right down the street. >> Okay. >> So, I can't walk my mom up here to come to the car. >> Okay. Listen, I'm I'm doing you a favor by not towing the car and not giving you a ticket. Okay? Um Is this yours? >> No, ma'am. I was in here when I got in. >> All right. Um Found it. Just found this in the back. >> Found what? >> I just found this in the back. He said it was in there when he got in there, but >> Okay. >> No. >> Where are we going? >> Hang on. >> Oh. >> I'm going to read you this, okay? You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him or her present with you while you're being questioned. Don't talk to her. Listen to me. Um You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him or her present while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You may decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand each of these rights I've explained to you? Sir? >> Am I being arrested? >> I I got to talk to you further because you're in the back of my car and you're not free to leave at this point. I have to read you this to talk to you further, okay? >> Am I being arrested? >> You are detained right now. >> Okay. >> Okay? >> Can I at least Can I Can you send my mom over here? Cops are at the wrong door. >> No, hang hang on. Okay? Do you understand each of these rights I've explained to you? Yes? Okay. Have that in mind. Can we have a conversation? >> Sure. >> Sure? Okay. Listen. You're the first person I've had in my cruiser today, okay? That little bit was not there when you got in. >> So, you didn't >> Okay? And And listen, I can I can see that you moved your foot just down and look right where that is at. >> That's the only way I know >> the video camera. You are being recorded back here. >> That don't mean I seen it. That don't mean that's mine. You checked me. You patted me down. That was not in in my on my person. That's not mine. You had to have put that there. That is not mine. >> I put that there. >> I said you had to have. I didn't say you did. I said you had to have, but I I I can guarantee you that that was not on my person when you patted me down with my [ __ ] >> Do you Do you use drugs? >> No, I don't use drugs. >> No? Do you smoke weed? >> No. >> Do you drink? >> No. I don't do nothing. >> Have you ever tried any drugs? >> No. >> You've never tried weed? >> marijuana. I used to, but I don't smoke it. >> Okay. >> That's it. That's all >> Okay. So, you're saying that that little container that was right there on the ground, that is not yours? >> It's not mine. You patted me down. Did you feel it on my person? >> Doesn't mean you didn't have it tucked somewhere. >> But I didn't have it tucked nowhere. I My girl can verify that. I don't We just left the house. I was playing a game. Like I said, I was going to pick my game system up to get it. I'm going back home. >> Where are you picking your game system up at? >> From down the street. I don't know the address right here. It's my brother's place. My brother. >> You're saying your actual brother? >> It's like a brother / friend of mine, but we close. We real close friends. >> Okay. Or did you turn down here because I was behind you? >> No, I was going to get my game system. >> Okay. All right. All right. What's your first name again? >> Jamal. >> Jamai? Okay, listen. Honesty goes a long way with me, okay? Um we have cameras in the back here. We have cameras that we wear here. We check our cruisers every day. Okay? And I'm telling you those drugs were not there when you got in this car. So, here Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Listen to me. Listen to me. I will let you ask your question in a moment. Listen to me. That can mean going to jail or it can mean getting a summons and going home with your girl. Okay? So, don't [ __ ] me and tell me that that wasn't yours. Clearly in the video you were shaking your leg and that came out of your pants or your shoe. Okay? So, do you want to explain to me in a different way how this happened? >> Can I ask you a couple like four questions real quick? So, one when you patted me down >> 22 >> you patted me down fully, right? >> 22 >> Doesn't mean I didn't miss anything. >> asking you. I'm just asking you. I didn't say you missed anything. I'm just asking you. Right? >> I went in your pockets. Yes. Did I pat you down? Yes. Could I have missed something? Yes. >> Now when I got in this car you see how loose my pants are? >> Okay. >> You don't think you would have felt it by the time Like I'm just I'm just asking a question. You don't think you would have felt it by the time I got in the car before I like when you like you know what I'm saying? >> Answer me this question. Why were you so slow to stop? I let you up way down there. >> Because the this car's right there on the street. >> What What are you supposed to do when the lights come on? >> I was supposed to pull over. But like I said, only reason why I didn't pull over right then and there is cuz one I was crossing an intersection and two this car's right there. I didn't want to pull in the middle of the street. So, I didn't know how that worked. >> Okay. >> Cuz I've never been pulled over before. >> Okay. >> what I'm saying? >> I got you. >> So I came up in front of the cars that was on the street and I pulled up. I've never been pulled over, so I don't know necessarily how that works when they when y'all flick y'all lights. >> Okay. >> But when it come to me being pulled over, that's my This is my first time. >> Okay. >> But >> Okay. >> When you say summons, like what >> So, a summons is you show you get a ticket and you show up to court. That's what that is. Okay. And then jail's obviously jail. So, let's start over here, okay? I can be a reasonable person, okay? Let's have an honest conversation here and tell the truth and not draw this on longer than has to with your mom sitting out here, your girl being out here. Let's be honest, okay? You're 23 years old, you're an adult. Okay? Decisions are made. You made a traffic violation, you understood that, right? You said your steering was a little messed up, okay? I stopped you and here we are. Okay? so let's have an honest conversation about what's going on here. Okay? >> All right, can you can you please let me like on one condition? Can I talk to my mom real quick, please? >> No, you're 23 years old, okay? You are an adult. Okay? >> Why can't I talk to my mom real quick? >> Why do you want to talk to your mom? >> Because I just want to see what's going on. I just I really just want to see what's with my girl, okay? She ain't never been in trouble >> She's already She's up there talking to your mom. She's sitting in the car. Okay? So, do you want to have an honest conversation with me or no? >> I'm saying like you want me to you want me to admit to having like basically >> Listen, I'm telling you it was not there. >> So, I all right >> I'm telling you it was not there and when I came back here to let you out, it was sitting right by your foot. In the video, you were clearly moving your foot. Like you were shaking something out of your pants. Do I want you to admit something that you did not do? No, I don't want you to do that. I said an honest conversation. So, if you can be honest with me, you can be an adult and have an adult-to-adult conversation with me. >> Yeah, but If if there's a chance for me going home, even if I have a daughter that that needs her dad. So, even if I have to admit to something that I didn't do >> I No, no, no. We're not playing that game. We're not admitting to things that aren't ours. >> I'm not playing that game. I'm being so serious. I'm not making this about me and I'm not making this about you. I have to I have a commitment to my child. If I don't go home tonight, my child is going to wonder where I am. She's going to give her mom a hard time cuz she's a daddy's girl. >> Okay. >> trying to act for no sympathy. I'm not trying to do none of that. I'm being so for real with you. Like my daughter is my world. That is my number one priority. I just started college for her. >> So, let's think about her when you're thinking about being honest, just like you would want somebody to be honest to your daughter. Okay? >> But, what I'm >> you got in my backseat, there was no drugs right there. When I went to go get you out, there was drugs right there. Explain Explain that to me. >> All right. Wait. >> That's my question. >> Can I ask you something? Why is it automatically drugs? Why do it got to be drugs? Why can't it be >> is it? Is it something else? >> That's what I'm asking you. Cuz my thing is Look, this is my thing. You're a smart person, right? >> Mhm. >> So, me being a smart person as well, I'm not going to let anybody play mind games with me, and you wouldn't either. Correct? >> Correct. >> Which means you're trying to get me to admit to having that, right? But, like you said, why would I admit to something that I didn't have? Correct? >> I don't want anybody to admit to something they didn't do. >> look. I'm not trying to say that you is, but I'm I'm saying you're giving me a option here, right? Admit to having that, if it is mine, and I get a summons, and I can go home, or go to jail disclaiming that it's not mine, right? Those are my options, right? >> I told you if you're an honest person with me, the two The two options are it could be jail, it could be a summons. And I explained that to you. >> So, look. This is This is the only thing I need to be clear. If I If I'm still denying that that is not mine, >> Is that what you're saying? It's not yours? >> I need to get an understanding first of what you're asking me, cuz you basically I feel like you you're trying to say if I If I say it's not mine, I'm going to jail. That's what I need to understand. >> I want you to be honest. That's what I want. I'm not trying to trick you. I'm not trying to do nothing like that, because Here's the thing. >> look. If I If I do >> Mhm. >> If I do say it's not mine, my thing is I ain't worried that I'm not going to go home to see my child, my family. That That girl that told that was in the car with me, my daughter, they depend on me. >> Sure. >> I take care of them. >> Any car in the area 10th and Street 10th and >> side of town. She lives in another I moved her in with me. She's talking to the >> Yeah, she lives on Lafer or something, or lived on Lafer? >> Yes. >> I got you. >> So, my thing is I'm trying to get an understanding so I can so I can help you. You get what I'm saying? You help you trying to help me, I'm trying to help you. I'm not no deceiving person. I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. I'm not going to sit here and play mind games. Hell yeah, I'm scared as hell. Y'all police. I'm not saying everybody all y'all kill people or black people. I'm not saying that. But it's the simple fact that This is not my first time actually being arrested. This is not my first time playing this game. You get what I'm saying? So I'm just trying to make sure that my safety as well as well as my freedom is still clear and understandable. Cuz I don't want to be sitting here going to jail for something that I didn't do. When we can have an understanding and I can still get a summons whether I had it or not. You get what I'm saying? Regardless regardless of regardless of what happened, I was in the wrong for driving without a license. That's still a reason to give me a summons, go to court, whatever the case is. But I need to get an understanding of it. If I'm still denying that that is not mine, will I go to jail? That's not That's one thing you're not making clear to me. >> Okay. What is your question? If you say it's not yours, are you >> If I say mine, if I stick to my story because look, like I said before, when you arrested me as baggy as these pants were they would have fell out by the time I got to here. You would have felt it when I got up stood up. I got on baggy boxers and everything. >> Okay. >> You get what I'm saying? >> Mhm. >> And if And if we being honest like you said, I'm not good at hiding [ __ ] Not especially not on my person. You can ask my mom right now. So I need to be very I need you to clarify some things with me as far as you asking me is that mine or not? Cuz like I said, I didn't just because I'm [ __ ] my leg don't mean I seen it. I'm nervous. That's why I'm up here getting up. And it's cold. >> Yeah, you're good. Thank you. >> I'm nervous and I'm cold. That's the only reason I'm shaking. I have blue Crocs. If you put if you pick that up on the blue side or the top of I did not see it. I promise you I did not see it. But I don't do drugs. My girl would have seen me have to take that out the house. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to sit here and lie to you because that's only going to make my situation worse. I've been through this already. >> Okay. Like I said, I'm a reasonable person and I'm going to be straight up with you, okay? I'm not going to play games with you. I'm not trying to trap you into saying it's yours or not. The fact of the matter is that was not there when you got placed in the car and now it is in the car, okay? It is yours whether you're going to sit here and admit to it or not. That's the fact of the matter. Okay? So I'm here asking you person to person, officer to guy in the back of my car, is that yours? Yes or no? It's yours? What is it? You don't know? Why don't you know? >> I don't I don't know what it is. That's that's me being honest. I don't know what it is. >> Okay. Where did it come from? >> I really can't tell I don't know. Like if I'm not saying I got >> I'm not saying the person it came from. >> Right. I'm not saying that cuz I didn't get it from no person. But me being I I don't know where it came from. >> Okay. How did that get in the back of my car? >> Can I talk to my mom real quick, please? >> For what? >> Because I need to get understanding. I don't think you're being very understanding. You're being reasonable but I'm being but you're being wrong understanding. >> What am I not understanding? >> As you going to comprehend what I'm saying? Because I feel like you just I feel like you're trying to play them mind games. >> I'm not playing mind games with you. >> I feel like you I feel like you're trying to play me cuz I'm a black man. >> All right, we're done here. Step out. Turn your squad into the car for me. Keep your hand behind your back when I take this off, okay? >> Mhm. >> Relax. All right, so like I explained to you, a summons is a ticket essentially, okay? You got to go to court, okay? Um you got the paperwork over there. All right, so this first one is for the marked lanes violation and the driving with no driver's license. >> That's this the marked with that one? >> Yep, marked lanes and then no driver's license, okay? Um you're going to go to court for all of these at the same time, okay? Um address and phone number right here. For some reason, if you can't go to court, you know, you're in jail, you're whatever is happening, um make sure that you call and get a hold of them and let them know what's going on, but you should show up to court. Um that's going to >> What day is it? Tuesday? >> Let me change the or we put the wrong one on here. Yes, it's Tuesday. It's going to be the 25th. >> If this Tuesday works. >> Yep. You have any questions about the traffic site? >> No, ma'am. >> No? All right, I just need your signature here. It's not admission of guilt, just that I explained it to you. You're going to get a copy right here on the side. Sure. All right, listen. Like I told you, I'm not trying to play games with you, okay? I appreciate honesty and that's how I like to work, okay? Are there people out here doing much worse things than you having a little bit of meth on you? Absolutely. But sometimes can we stop the bigger things from happening from a little bit of meth? Absolutely, okay? I don't know if you got a drug problem or you're just starting to get into it or kind of what the deal is, okay? Um we are not on bad terms, okay? And I'm never trying to play games or [ __ ] anyone, okay? I'm very straightforward. >> I one thing I do want to apologize for what I said to you. I just I was hungry. >> I I understand. >> too much TV lately. >> I understand. I know you're not a bad person, okay? Just cuz people have drugs, guns, whatever, it doesn't make them a bad person, okay? People mess up. People make mistakes, okay? And sometimes if we can stop it here, uh you go get help, whatever it is, then hopefully that can change your life around, okay? I don't want to see anybody do something wrong and maybe it could have been stopped at, you know, something small. You got a kid, so you know how it is. You got to stop a behavior as soon as it starts, right? Um cuz then you get in that revolving door and it just keeps happening, okay? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um I could have sent you to jail. I was this close to. Um but I didn't, okay? So go to court, take care of your stuff, and go from there, okay? >> Thank you. >> Any questions for me? >> No, ma'am. >> All right, so you have a good night, okay? >> Thank you. Hey, and don't be driving, either, okay?