Hello there. Hi. Hey, I'm Officer Ramble. This is Officer Wayne. What's What's going on today? >> can't see you. Oh, it's okay. This is Tara, a 69-year-old woman who firmly believes she is on a divine mission at a private nursing facility. In the eyes of the law, the line between a divine mission and a criminal offense is thinner than you think. Look at this woman. She believes she's following God's will, but from a legal perspective, I see the elements of a trespassing charge being met point by point. Um I'm just I'm evangelizing to people and I'm trying to help people, you know, feel, you know, I'd like to talk to people and and help them feel like, you know, the Lord loves them and and I've asked that and God told me to come. I'm sorry. Okay. But God's God's more important to me than anybody else tell me what to do or not to do. Okay. And I'm okay with that. You know, I just God told me to come here and evangelize to people. Okay. Were Were you looking for someone, too? Yeah, I was looking for my ex-husband, but they said he's not here anymore. I'm like, well, that's that's not what God's telling me. And so, I'm sorry. You know, I I I just know what God wants me to do. Okay. Do either of you happen to have an idea on you by chance? >> I don't. I left it at home. Oh, that's okay. Can I just get your name real quick? Mark Douglas. Okay. Got you. Did you guys drive here today or how did you get >> brought me here. Okay. And then I just feel like I'm supposed to stay. Okay. And that's all I can say. I mean, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't look good. >> Did you scare somebody or something? Well, well, staff was a little concerned because you came looking for some So, staff was a little bit concerned cuz you guys came here looking for someone. Do you know where he is? I have some Sometimes. >> They said my Well, they I lose my wife when she's right next to me, so I get it. Yeah, I was told that my ex-husband was here. Mhm. So, where is he? They ain't just going to give it out to anybody. Right. Is there any way your person could find out? Do you guys even know? Uh so, even we wouldn't be able to find out that information. They'd have to go through their social worker and all that to really see what they can legally give out and what they can't. >> Sure. Is there any special reason you're trying to get in touch with your ex-husband? Just what >> Yeah, I just want to talk talk him talk to him about the Lord and I want to talk to anybody that'll listen about the Lord. >> And forgiveness. Yep. All right. Okay. So, it it just sounds like today's probably not going to be the day to do that here, so you know. But can I just stay here and do that? No. >> That's I'm being told to stay here by the Lord. Wants me to stay here. Yeah. So, just talking to staff, it doesn't sound like you threatened anyone. It was more just talking to people, but >> Yeah. they asked that we have you guys leave. >> me that I have to stay here. They should stay here. >> Mhm. So, staff is asking us to ask you to leave. You know, just because this is private property. You can't If they want you to go, you can't just hang out outside their door. So. Well, I'm sorry, but God told me to stay. Mhm. God told me to stay and to be strong and to stay here. This is where I should be. And if you do want to come back, I would just talk with staff at a later time, call them and be like, "Hey, I want to come back and talk about God." and then, you know, make that arrangement. But if they're asking you to leave today, then then that doesn't mean you can't come back and you can't call call them. So, just I That's what I would do. I think that's the best option. Well, I just want I just need to stay here. I I need to stay here. Mhm. God is telling me to stay here. Uh I'm sorry, I'm supposed to not be afraid. Mhm. God told me to stay here and I'm I'm serious and I'm not I'm not afraid, but I was told to stay here. God is more powerful Mhm. than the devil is and I'm to stay here. Mhm. How about mental health? Anything like that? Anything diagnosed or Mhm. I didn't go in that way. And so, but I came out, everybody was wondering what was wrong with me and all that and and I still and I Mhm. I'm telling you the devil's making you think otherwise, but have anybody Have any of you guys accepted Jesus as your savior? Mhm. Yep. Truly? Mhm. Yep. Okay. Mhm. Just know that he's he's wanting you to go to heaven. Mhm. He's wanting all of you to go to heaven. And that's my job right now. Okay. And Mhm. the devil has to get back here and he can do whatever he wants, but my job right now is to tell everybody about Jesus. Mhm. And No, and that's an ad That's an admirable job >> making you think Get back there. The devil is making you think otherwise and and I forgive you for that. I really do. So, But please, you know, any of you So, Tara, I I understand what you're saying. You know, you feel like there's this thing compelling you to be here. God is compelling you to be here. >> Right. Right. >> you're you're trying to do what is right in your eyes. And I I can get that, trying to do what you think is right. But this this is private property I know. and staff has asked that you leave for the day. If you need No, so here we go. So, here's what we can do. We can walk over to your car cuz there's different avenues to go about what you want to do. Okay. And sitting right here and just not leaving isn't going to help you in the long run. I know. So, >> I got God's telling me that that he wants me to stay. Cuz you don't want to get it Come on, babe. Cuz you don't want it to get He wants me to stay. God wants me to stay. So, you know, >> God wants me to stay. I'm not supposed to fight God. He wants me to stay here. But you don't want it to get to the point where suddenly you're trespassing and then you're getting into legal trouble and not not able to come back at all. >> That's not God's law and God's rules. Yeah. If God God wants me to stay here. I know. I can't go. God wants me to stay here. God wants me to stay here and and I'm going to do it. God wants me to stay. >> So, how about this? >> him and won't. I I know I forgive you for whatever, but then God, please just help me. So, Please help me. I can't handle this, please. Can we at least get up and walk with us and we can talk more about it? >> to stay here. I'm sorry. I'm supposed to stay here. >> honey. Charlie, I'm supposed to stay here. >> I know. I hear you. I hear you. We We hear you. I understand. I do. I do. Come on. God is God is telling me to stay here. I'm not supposed to We can walk to the car. >> But I'm not supposed to So, give in to what the devil's trying to do. I know. I'm sorry. It just sucks. God'll forgive you all. I mean, I can tell that you're really nice people. And God God told me to tell you that he forgives you. And so, but I'm supposed to stay here. I think I don't think that he would want that for you for you to get in trouble, right? I mean, you can always come back at a later time, right? >> He doesn't care about the trouble. God God I know you care. I tried to tell you I care. You can come back. >> that Yeah, you can always come back. You can always come back and you can always get it scheduled and organized where it'll be official. Yeah. That's what he would want you to do. >> Right? Wouldn't that make more sense? That way you still have access. >> I'm here to tell people about Jesus. >> Okay. And that's my only That is my only crime. >> We can come back. And We can come back. I'm trying to talk to these guys and tell them about Jesus, too. So, so let me ask you this one, Tara. Yeah. How many times did Moses go back before he finally got his answer? Many. Many. Yeah, I know. I know the Bible well. So, praise the Lord. So, >> Listen to him. So, so he had to keep going back and back, you know, until he finally >> See, I'm not I just became saved recently. So, it it took him a while to finally get what they needed and that's kind of what I think is right now. You know, right now you're not getting the answer you want. You're being told to leave, okay? I'm not being told to leave by God, though. >> I I No, listen. Well, just just listen. Just listen. Just listen. >> So, listen to him. But But this is us telling you you need to go. I get it, you're not hearing it from from God. Yeah. But right now we need to go, okay? Of course. He does bad things to all of us. Yeah. But I can't go with you. I I I got >> not going to have a choice, honey. >> I'm really sorry, guys. Sweetheart. >> told me to stay here and I got to stay. Listen to me. You're not going to have a choice. >> I I I understand what what they're saying. I hope so because you won't and there won't be anything I can do. >> I understand what they're saying. Do you understand? Yep. There won't be anything I can do. >> I understand. Here. I don't like it. >> I I understand. Why don't Why don't you walk with Charlie and I to your vehicle? You have to. You can't. [laughter] You can't, sweetheart. God wants me to stay. I know. God wants me to stay. Honey, that ain't going to help. >> I know. I I know. Just tell me what I told you. I know. What have I told you? I'm not afraid. Hey, I'm offering you a hand to walk on your own, okay? >> Please. I beg of you, hon. God doesn't want me to go. I don't want you locked up. I know. Give him your hand, so we can do this, please. >> his hand, but God told me to hang out of this. It ain't going to work. I know. Here. I don't want you hurt. >> I I Please. I I I can't. I'm sorry. God loves you. And he'll forgive you. >> He loves us all, babe. Please. Oh, they're good. somebody to come here, but could be maybe 20 minutes, but they said they'll give me a call back. We don't have like proper staff to come. Dear Lord, please forgive them. You're all really nice They're really nice men. They are. And please forgive them. They don't want to hurt you. He loves you. I know he doesn't know who he loves. Hey. Charlie, what are you doing? He loves you. Which one of you drove here? Okay. Say what? Would you be able to Would you be able just to drive your vehicle down to the bottom of the ramp here? >> Yeah, if I would What? Drive your car to the bottom of the ramp. Can I do that? >> I'm not going. God told me to stay here. >> to escort you off the premises. Charles, can you just go do that right now, then? Yeah. Just go grab your car and bring it over here. >> Don't Don't do it. I got no choice. >> Don't do it. Don't I think that'd be the best outcome anyway, Charles. I don't want you to go to jail. It's okay. It doesn't matter. You're going to hate me. I know you will. >> No, I won't hate you. Believe me, I won't. God, please forgive him. You're going to hate me, honey. No, I won't. Yes, you will. Thanks, Charles. I appreciate it. Mhm. Crap, they caught me speeding with my chair. Oh. Slow down. Be careful. The Devil's Well is something else. Well, Tara, they they don't want you here, so they you have to leave, okay? I understand that, but I'm not hurting anybody out here. >> that, but you have to go. So, what do you only have two options here, okay? So, which of those options are going to be? It's either you go with us or you go with him. That's all of that there. >> I I'm not going. I'm I got to stay right here. Okay. >> I got to stay. So, then I guess the only option we have is that you go with us, then. I I That's not my option. My option is to stay. >> you We're giving you a choice, okay? And I It's pretty simple, okay? Don't Don't stress about it, okay? I I'm Of course I'm stressed. I'm in stress for the past 10 weeks since people have been doing really bad things to me. >> Yeah, well yeah, you seem stressed, and and that's why I want to make it easier for you, right? Do you think that it'd be easier if you went with Charles or do you think it'd be easier to go with us? It's easier for me to stay here like God told me to stay. >> that's not the option. >> God has told me to stay. Charlie, don't make me go. I have to. I'm only Don't make me go. They They don't want to make me go. No, I'm staying here. I'm sorry. I'm not hurting anybody. I'm staying right here. I just want to talk to the people inside. I just want to talk to I know, but they're going to give you a call. I want to I want to comfort them. Yeah, but they don't want you here right now. But that That should be their choice, not yours. Not mine. It should be your their choice, not yours. Charlie, I understand When has it ever been private property to just sit somewhere? It's not. These gentlemen are only here to do their job. >> what they're doing. God And they're not here to hurt you. >> God will forgive them. God will forgive you cuz I know where you're going, and I know where They're not going to hurt I know where you're going, but I don't know where any of these other guys are. What the I The other guy I know. All right, Tara. Let's Let's Let's go. They don't want to hurt you. I can't go. God wants me to stay. God God wants me We're going to go with Charles. No, we're going to go with Charles. We're going to >> stay. God God wants me to stay. We're going to go with Charles. No, God wants me to stay. We're just going to go with Charles, okay? No, I'm not going. God wants me to stay. God, please forgive them. We're just going with Charles. Hey, Charles. You can come You can come here. She's going with you. >> No, I'm not. I'm not. God wants me to stay here. We're We're getting to the point of resisting. We don't want to hurt you. >> God, please forgive them. I know. Tara, you have to go with Charles. No, I can't. I can't go. I don't want to go. Lord, somebody help me. Tara. I can't. I can't. Come on. I can't. So, Tara, what do you think about going to the hospital? I don't want to go there. I think that No, I don't want to go anywhere. Please, keep me here. Please. I'm bored. Come on. Just walk with us. No. Just walk with us. >> want to go. Come on. I don't want to go. I don't want to go. Come on. No. No. No. You're okay. I'm sorry. I I know I'm Come on, Tara. Come on. No, I don't want to go. You're going with Charles. Come on, please, guys. No. That God is going to come get us very soon. He's coming soon. Mhm. And please tell everybody. I will I will, Tara. I don't want to get in the car. No, I'm not going home. Ow. Let's go. No, I don't want to go with him. No. No. No. Yeah, I guess so. Tara, either you get in that vehicle or you're going to jail. Those are your options. Yeah, Tara. We're not playing games anymore. This is it. Come on, hon. God doesn't God doesn't want me to leave. Honey. God doesn't want me to leave. Please. God doesn't want me to leave. No, I'm staying here. All right, you're under arrest. Oh, come on, guys. Be gentle. We are. Those aren't too tight or anything, are they, Tara? No, thank you. Okay. I'm going to double lock them so that way they don't tighten on you. Okay? I'll be okay. Why? I'll be okay. Why? We'll be okay. There's no reason for this. We're going to walk to my car. No, I can't. I still need to stay. No, let's go. Let's go. I need to headquarters, one in custody. I need to stay here. Nope, we're walking. Please. I need to stay. Let's walk. Come on. Nope. I'm not trying to hurt No, we need to walk. You need to walk with us, though. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. God, please forgive them. Let's just walk. Let's walk. God. We're almost there. I need to stay here. God God's telling me to stay here. Come on. Please let me stay. Tara, let's walk. God wants me to stay here. God wants me to stay. Come on. No, you can't stay. God wants me to stay. Come on. Devil, get away from me. God wants me to stay. Lord, please forgive me. >> Tara. We're almost there. I don't want to go. I don't God wants me to stay here. Front one. Come on. Here. Walk out of the roadway so we don't get hit. God wants me to stay here. God wants me to stay here, guys. God wants me to stay. Come on, Tara. God wants me to stay here. Keep walking. Come on. Keep walking. No, keep walking. God wants me to stay here. Come on, Tara. Just let me stay here. Let me Come on. God. You got to get in. God wants me to stay here. Just have a seat. I can't. Yes, you can. Just turn. There you go. I don't want to get in here. I don't want to get in here, please. Slide your butt back. Okay. Please. Thank you. Get your other foot in. Can you slide over a little bit more? No. Just you're in. I want to get out. All right. Watch your arm, okay? Yeah. Okay? Yeah. I I get it. This wasn't ideal. No, we weren't manhandling her. We were walking with her, but she kept trying to drop, so we had to help keep her up. Okay? So, why can't I get her? Huh? If she'll even go with me, when can I pick her up? I'm going to make a phone call quick. Obviously, I think there's something more than just evangelizing going on. Sounds like she's got a little bit of a history with mental health. With what? Mental health issues. I don't have no idea. How long have you two been married? 12 years. 12 years? Okay. And this hasn't happened before? Never. Really? Okay. Ever. Okay. How about the behavior? Is this What I How about like just the behavior of like going out to preach? Has this been something that's been going on or is this a recent thing? >> been both been saying very recent. Very recent. Okay. Like about within a week. Okay. She's really strong with that. Uh-huh. I don't know if you can see that or even understand it. Mhm. But she's real real strong. It definitely sounds like it. She is. She's 69 years So, So, right now my partner's on the phone. If you want just maybe park over there so we're not blocking the roadway. We're going to touch base before we go anywhere. Sound good? Before you go anywhere? Yeah. Hey, talk Tara. Yeah. Are you doing all right back here? Are you overheating or anything like that? >> Okay. It's a little hot, but it's okay. Sorry. I I've got the air up as high as it goes. The windows open, so it can at least help with the circulation. So, um the charges are misdemeanors. Yep. I'm not going to She said she doesn't want to She's going to She doesn't want to leave on her own. Oh, okay. She exists, so that causes an issue. Yeah. What I'm thinking is we take her down to the jail parking lot, and we release her to husband. She doesn't want to go to the hospital. Uh-huh. She's not being chaptered. We can't force her to the hospital. All right, Charlie. I'm I'm sorry. I didn't mean to startle you like that. Many years in the military. Okay. What What branch? Navy. Navy? Okay. Okay. Well, I I appreciate your >> I appreciate your service. I didn't mean to startle you like that. Usually, I try and tell people before I get here. >> it. I'm sorry. What's going on? So, I don't know if that's the problem, but I just remembered she keep getting puffed up down there. Here Here's what the plan is. We're all All of us, you included, we're all going to go down to the jail parking lot. Okay? How do you get there? I'll just have you follow me. Yep, it's right by the courthouse. I'll just have you So, what we're going to do is we're going to release her into your custody. So, we're not We're not taking her into the jail. We're not going to book her into the jail. Okay? Just given the totality of what's going on, I don't know if her going to jail is completely warranted. Okay? But, here's the thing. I'm still I'm still going to be referring her up to the attorney's office. So, I'll send my reports to the attorneys and they're going to look at it and see if there's any criminal charges warranted or not. Okay? That's going to be something that would happen down the road if anything. Okay? So, what we're doing is we're going down to the jail parking lot because she can't be here. Okay? She has expressed multiple times, you were there, that she she needs to be here is what she said. She cannot be here. Okay? So, what our plan is by releasing her to your custody, you will take her home. So, that that that's I got to be honest. I don't want to see her put in jail. I don't want to And that that's why It'll kill her. And that's why I want you to kind of help work with us cuz I think there's there's more than just the word of the Lord going on right here. I think there's some mental health stuff going on as well. So, what do we do? All right. I'm scared. Okay. Don't don't freak out. It's okay, Tara. I I know >> I know what you have to do. So, what I what I want to do is I want to take the handcuffs off you. Okay? Can we do that? If you could take me back to Dove Dove, I I'm fine with that. >> So, here here's what I can do. I can have you get out of the car. I can take the handcuffs off, but I can't take you back there. Okay? Th- This is where we part ways. Okay? Well, what I do have behind me is Charlie in the car. I can't go with Charlie. He He can give you a ride. I can't go with Charlie. I have to go back to Dove. I have to go back to Dove. So, we we can't go back to Dove cuz if we if you do go back to Dove, then we get called back up there. We have to come down here, but then we're going inside. I can't I'm sorry, but God's telling me what to do. And I I hear you. I hear what you're saying. I know you're being kind. You're being kind and I really appreciate it, but God wants me to go back to Dove and that's what I want to do. Can >> It's so It's not my will. It's his. I don't care. It was my will this morning to eat a waffle and I didn't because God was telling me to tell people to go to heaven. To to help them go to heaven and that's what I have to do. I'm sorry that I have to be so hard hard on you. I'm not trying not to be hard on you, but I can't go home with Charlie. I have to stay here and he knows why. Can he give you a ride though? No. I have to That's That's where we're at >> I don't know what you're going to do with me, but I I can't go back to Dove. Well, what I want to do is have you go with Charlie. >> No, I'm not going home with you. He knows why I can't. He knows why I can't. I You We already discussed it. He knows why I can't. Because you have to go back to >> on. Come on, Dove. Get Get away from me. God is in control and you're not. Yep. A- And I am going to execute what God wants me to do a- And I I I God wants me to God wants me to do what he told me to do. And I'm I want to go to Dove and that's It's not that I want to. God wants me to go there. What So, how about this? Why don't you try calling Dove before going? >> No. I I I You can't just show up. No. I'm not calling. I can't call cuz I don't have a I I I don't want a phone. I don't want any earthly things to help me. God is helping me do what I got to do. And that's I'm sorry. I don't mean to waste your time. But Well, we we need to figure this out together. >> understand that I have to do what God wants me to do. And then that that's going to force us to go down a different route. >> Please, God, talk to him because I won't do anything else but go where God told me to go. So, The ending we just witnessed isn't religious suppression. It's the inevitable enforcement of social order. Let's analyze this carefully. While religious freedom is a constitutional right, it is not a blank check to violate the private property rights of others. >> to figure this out together. >> to understand that I have to do what God wants me to do. And then that that's going to force us to go down a different route. >> Please, God, talk to him because I won't do anything else but go where God told me to go. So, here I I take it talking to her didn't help. So, here's here's where we're at, Charlie. So, we we've tried We've tried many things. We tried getting her to your car there. We tried getting her to your car here. You know, I I think we've shown that we've been very patient and willing to work with you. >> She likes you guys. I mean, she thinks you're great. What can I say? And you know, we we we try to do what we can, but we're get We we've run out >> me some things that I have no idea what you're talking Do you have numbers? You Can you write down Northwest? Do you have a phone number? >> I can do that for you. I might even have a card for I don't even have any way to do that. >> get that for you. He'll He'll keep explaining >> So, so what we are doing is she is going to go inside the jail and made the post because she she's expressed that she's going to continue going back there. Just for the community's sake, she she's got to go into the jail. Okay? Incident: Refused to leave private property after multiple warnings claiming to follow God's will. Legal charges: Criminal trespassing. Resisting arrest. Okay.