I can get one. Well, I need an ID please sir. I'm not trying to make this difficult and trying to identify who I'm talking to and inform my dispatch who I'm talking to. And we can go on about our day. Or we can take this on and I asked you nicely and we sit here and argue for 5 minutes. Honestly, I could have pulled you out of the car the first time you told me no. >> This is an Uber driver and school bus operator sitting in a public parking lot on a Sunday afternoon waiting for his next ride offer. The situation began when an officer approached and demanded ID citing a suspicious vehicle parked in front of a closed school. This is a heated debate over the concept of reasonable suspicion. The driver maintains he has committed no crime while the officer threatens to escalate the encounter to obstruction simply because the subject questioned his rights. >> Hey, what's going on brother? What you up to? >> I'm an Uber driver and bus driver. >> Oh, you drive for Covington? Okay, you just sitting out here chilling? >> Yeah, I made a pizza delivery order and I said this is a good place to park to wait for another offer but I ain't got nothing. >> Got you. Um, you got anything that shows you're like a bus driver or anything like that? >> Yeah, I mean it's just I'm not supposed to park here or >> I'm just just say you know it's a Sunday you just parked out here by a bunch of buses and just wondering. >> Yeah, man I said I'm a bus driver and Uber driver I'm just sitting here waiting for it. I mean if I need to move I can and I just I'd hate using gas driving everywhere, you know? Waiting >> Yeah, man I get it. It's just you know it's the first time I ran into an Uber driver or a bus driver sitting back here. >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm a bus driver but like I said I'm just waiting for an Uber or Uber ride but >> You got an ID or anything on you brother? >> Yeah, but I mean I'm not What am I doing wrong? >> What are you doing wrong? You're You're sitting out here on Sunday in front of a school facing towards buses. >> Yeah. This is where I'm parked and I'm waiting for an officer. >> Okay. Well, at this point, this is a traffic stop. You are being detained. >> For what? >> Do you have an ID? >> I do, but what am I doing wrong? What have I done broken the law? >> Because I'm identifying somebody that's sitting out here that shouldn't be. >> It's not illegal to sit out here. I'm not doing anything wrong. >> Okay. >> Are you a lawyer? I can get one. >> Okay. Well, I need an ID, please, sir. I'm not trying to make this difficult. I'm trying to identify who I'm talking to and uh inform my dispatch who I'm talking to and we can go on about our day. Or if we can take this on and we can escalate up to resisting if that's what you would like to do. >> I'm not resisting. I need to know what I'm being What criminally What crime I have committed by sitting in a public parking lot. >> It's not a crime. You're a suspicious vehicle sitting in front of a school on a Sunday afternoon facing buses. >> Yes, cuz I drive a school bus for St. Tammany. This is a public >> Can you show proof that you show you drive a school bus? >> I can, but what >> Let's put it this way. >> It doesn't make it any If I'm not committing a crime, you can run my license plate. If I'm not actively committing a crime, I'm not vandalizing, I'm not doing anything wrong. This is a public property. I mean, is it crime to park in a public >> 15, can you send me another unit? >> So, what am I Yeah, what are you talking to me about? >> I'm asking for an ID. >> Okay. I got my ID. I'm just asking you what crime have I committed? >> I'm not going to >> have I broken is what I'm saying. >> I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. >> I'm asking you a question. >> I'm asking you for your ID. >> Kelly, check it, check Got your license? >> I don't understand why you got to be so combative. >> Call us, I don't like the fact of being interrogated when I've not committed or broken any laws is what I'm saying. >> You're sitting >> I'm saying because is this is that breaking the law is my question. >> me you're a school bus driver, then tell me your show me your Is this private or public property? >> It's a public property. It's a public school. >> Okay. >> It's owned by taxpayers. So, I'm saying I don't like being interrogated if I'm not breaking any If I If you tell me I'm breaking a law and I need Okay, I'll respect that. What laws am I breaking? What crime have I committed? >> I'm getting out with a vehicle involving somebody that's sitting in a parking lot >> Yeah, and my house is not drugs. >> normally occupied occupied here Sunday afternoon. >> I understand that. But, am I committing a crime by parking here is what I'm asking. >> I It's my obligation to get out and see what's going on. >> Okay, and you said >> At that point At that point, I am here. This is a traffic stop because I'm observing what's going on in this parking lot, right? So, at this point, you were detained, which makes you need to provide identification. >> If I've not broken a law, I don't understand how you can detain >> You keep telling me you're a bus driver, you're an Uber driver. You won't show me that you're >> I'm not an Uber driver, and I'm a bus driver. >> Okay, show me something that that's a bus driver, then. >> You asked for ID. >> I don't understand what your problem is. >> I don't like being interrogated if I'm not breaking any laws. What laws What crime have I committed by being here on a public property, just chilling? >> That's not public property. It's a school. >> And it's a weekend. >> It's a public school's property. >> I have a right to be at this school. >> Public school >> It's not a private school. >> So, you think you can just walk into the school in session? >> I say you can walk Yeah, you can walk into the school in session. >> You can't go to the office. >> Yes, the office, that's it. >> Yeah, it's a public school. >> What business do you have here with the school in session? >> Cuz I'm an Uber driver. I just delivered a pizza from Pizza Hut up the road, and I didn't want to drive. I don't like wasting a lot of miles. And I'm also a bus driver, so I figured this would be a good place to stop and wait for a Uber. I'm a bus driver here. >> Yes, I am. >> Which one of these buses is yours? >> I told you. >> Well, you told me you didn't tell me. Look, you're just a random car sitting in a parking lot, so it's getting late. >> I don't understand. I mean, I'm just saying, what crime is that to be a random car >> It's suspicious. >> Okay. And he checked on me, right? I mean, >> We're still investigating who you are. Anybody can tell us anything. We can't just believe anyone's side, right? >> I understand, but if you don't have a law or crime being committed, how can you detain someone? On what grounds, you know what I'm saying? >> We're investigating the suspicious activity. >> Yeah, but what's suspicious activity? >> You're sitting in a closed parking lot. At a school. Come across people doing drugs >> That's what I'm saying. I mean, I'm here. I'm coherent. I'm >> Come across dead people in parking lots. >> I understand. I let the window I have my windows down already. I mean, I think go ahead and do your investigation. Like, I got nothing to hide. I just I'm just the type I don't know what I've done wrong. So, it's just like, "Hey, give me your license. Give me this. Give me that." Jeez, I'm just sitting here trying to make a few extra dollars, but >> I asked you nicely and we sat here and and argued for 5 minutes. >> I mean, like, why a license when I'm not committing a crime? >> Honestly, I could have pulled you out of the car the first time you told me no. >> On what basis? >> Because you're refusing to identify at that point. Now you Now that you gave me the ID since my sergeant came up. >> No, I did it I was getting the ID out before you could call for somebody. I didn't just give it to you because he pulled up. >> Okay. You just got an excuse for everything, don't you? >> No, it's facts. >> Do you have a body camera? You And >> What have I done wrong? >> In today's world, with all the things that go on at schools and and things in areas that it doesn't need to happen. You would think that especially you being a school driver or a school bus driver, you would respect people trying to keep this spot. >> anything. I'm looking at everything, but I mean, I think you can tell I'm not high or on drugs. I'm not drinking. There's no alcohol, no weed smell. I have my windows down. Like, I don't mind you coming in, but then you want ID and proof that I'm a bus driver and all this. I'm like, whatever. >> Well, you tell me you're a bus driver, so I mean, >> If we If we pull over a murder suspect and they tell us they didn't kill somebody 5 minutes later, >> You got to have proof that they're a murder suspect. >> You can't just I'm not going to search your car. >> That's what I'm saying. >> 15 we code four on 10-41 and 10-20. >> Yep. >> Going to 15. >> Stand by number one. >> Welcome to the town. >> It's a guy being a prick. >> Oop. >> So, you you drive full-time for the schools? >> Yeah, I'll show you my badge. >> Okay. >> I've been driving a bus for years. >> Okay. >> See, this ain't school's war property. This is a old skating rink. >> It doesn't really matter. It's not that you're like the first one that's going on. >> I understand. >> to investigate what you're >> I understand that, but if I was parked at Home Depot somebody's parked away from the store. Like I don't mind investigating. >> it's not a closed business. >> This ain't >> It was in the middle of the night at Home Depot. That's why I was just chilling in the parking lot. I probably wouldn't have checked on you. >> And he did. I had my windows down. He checked. He checked. He checked it for me. >> that drive around all the time in the middle of the night in parking lots. >> Oh, yeah. And they do look suspicious. >> Yeah, and Uber driver checks out his services and stuff and gets you on your way. That's all it is. Shh. I I told him what it was and then >> So, y'all pull every license for every Uber and Lyft driver parked at the parking lot? >> We pull every license for anybody we get out with. >> All right, so I'm good. All right, I'm free to go. >> Just take your squat and go. >> Appreciate it. Have a good one. Case details. Incident. Investigated detention while parked in a public school lot on Sunday. Officer's justification. Suspicious vehicle in a closed business school area. Legal conflict. Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable seizure versus police investigative authority. Subject. Argument. No crime committed. Public property. Taxpayer owned land. Outcome. Subject released after providing ID. No charges filed.