I would like your supervisor. >> Yeah, well, that's not an option right now. >> Oh, yeah, let's call 911, baby. Call 911. Right now. 514, could you please respond to our location with some expediency? This is Ricky Tomlin, a man in the middle of moving out of his former residence. However, instead of cooperating to settle the matter peacefully, Ricky chose to challenge the boundaries of the law. [music] Do you think that just by standing on the sidewalk, you have the right to say whatever you want to the police? Look at Ricky Tomlin's mistake. Officers gave him no fewer than five chances to leave peacefully, even offering him a ride to safety. But Ricky confused free speech with disorderly conduct. Okay. He can't stay here. They can't. We've got critical calls happening right now that we're tied up here because these two can't behave like adults. Oh, I can't leave the two of them alone and risk getting I don't care who starts it. I don't care who starts it. I don't want them getting in a fight in our somebody. I understand that ourself is not in the >> I'll stand out here in the road. >> No, I'm explaining to you where we are right now. You have moved out. Your stuff is on the driveway. You have the ability to get your stuff up the driveway. We're being real reasonable with you with that and no one's trying to tell you you can't get your stuff off. What I'm telling you is that while you're doing it, he can't stay here. So, there's two options. Well, then I'll stand out here. No, you can't stand anywhere near the property. We're trying to >> on the property. Okay, he's on the easement. I understand what you're saying. Do something now. Here's where I'm at. At this point >> to fit, Ricky. Get your little stuff and leave. >> he has made it very clear that he intends to cause a problem as much as he >> No, I want to get my stuff. You're causing a problem. >> He's already done that and it's on camera. Okay, great. >> Okay, so we're trying to negate a further problem. Do you follow me? Just explain. I don't want him to get in trouble and go to jail. I don't want him to get in trouble and go to jail. I don't want you to get in trouble and go to jail. I'm trying to find a peaceable solution for everyone to get this done, okay? I've been trying to work with you. We've already been here for a long time. I'm trying to be patient. Okay, so what I'm telling you right now is we have very good legal standing to say he cannot stay here. Boxes. >> Okay. And if he's refusing to leave, we will force him to leave and he will not end up where he wants to end up tonight. What I am willing to do What I'm willing to do to try and make this cuz you can't do that either. So, what I am willing to do I can't be in the street. here at this point. No, you can't hang out and loiter in the middle of the street. That's illegal to do. >> loitering. You are. >> I'm walking. Nope, you're not. Yes, I am. >> So, here's where I'm at, okay? We have very good legal backing for that, but I'm trying to avoid it, okay? >> Go ahead. I'm going to sue you and you're going to get fired. You're going to get sued. I'm a professional citizen. I know he's against me right now, whatever. If Deputy English is willing to give him a ride over to the storage unit and we're able to get him a chair that he can sit in in the car. If he wants to sit there and wait while you're getting your stuff, that's fine, okay? We would like to avoid this escalating anymore. We just want to be peaceful. We want to get this done, okay? But I can't leave the two of them unattended and we also have other calls holding for us and we can't sit here. We're about to get pulled off. So, where we're at is you're leaving one way or the other. So, the nice way to do it is So, are you saying that if he doesn't get off If he doesn't leave, he's going to jail, okay? That's No, but I'm saying on the public easement >> He can't just be chilling in the road. Also, he has made it very clear at this point that he is refusing and this is the statute is if we can the the behavior is clearly going to continue, okay? He has made that very clear the entire time I've been here, okay? No, I'm not going to leave. Right now, he's being extremely disorderly. Disorderly, he's being argumentative. He's made statements that he intends to >> At this point he's At this point he's being disorderly and he is considered I am considering the two of them a threat to each other. He has agreed to stay in his house and he has continued to do that. He has continued >> In what way has he been disorderly? We're doing it right now. This is not disorderly. >> That's freedom of Okay, so that's not what freedom of speech means even remotely. Not even close, okay? What I'm telling you What I'm telling you is We can sit here and argue this, but I'm not going to do it for much longer and the bottom line is we are very clear legally on where we stand. We are very confident in our legal backing here. We are well trained in this. We know our jobs. We go through this all the time. You're not the first person to think you know more about our jobs than we do. That's fine. I have tried to work with you. I've tried to keep this calm. I've tried to get you your help. I've I've offered you multiple solutions. I just offered you a peaceable solution. So, here's where Who has the key? Either he's going to voluntarily I don't have the key. Well, that's where we're going to get the key back first. Or he's going to jail and we will physically box his ass. I don't have the key, so it wouldn't matter. Okay, but you also made a statement, did you not, that you were going to keep the key? I could. Okay, so you could because you've already willingly moved out of the house, right? That is not your residence anymore. >> But I can't do anything with the key that I don't have. Okay, well, we are getting the key back right now. That's fine. Well, we are not going to just continue doing this run Okay, I have another question though. If you arrest him, what would the charges be? At this point, it's going to be for disorderly conduct or trespassing. But what is he doing that's disorderly? He's talking. It's not He's talking. He is. He's not. Okay, again, I'm not going to go round and round and round No, I'm asking for an explanation. >> I have given you an explanation. He wants to bring a lawsuit against the department. It is on my camera. It is on It is on his camera. It is on his camera. It's on his camera. He has recorded That's fine. He has his own recording of his bad behavior. You can pull your our cameras on >> She said that she'll charge you with disorderly conduct. >> So, what though? Because you're you're talking. Oh, talking. That's cool. Okay, here's the bottom line. I need an answer. I need an answer. In USA? I need an answer right now. That's not what freedom of speech means, okay? That's not what freedom of speech means. Here's the answer that I need right now. Are you voluntarily leaving this property and this street or are we taking you to jail? You don't tell me where I am on the street. He is in public I would like to request a supervisor. You have the senior officer on on the road tonight right here. I would like your supervisor. >> Yeah, well, that's not an option right now. >> Oh, yeah, let's call 911, baby. Call 911. Right now. 514, could you please respond to our location with some expediency? I think he's Do we got a B&E going on right now and we're dealing with this? Disregard, we'll be all set. I'm done. What? We're not going to put hands on that. We're not going to do that. Okay, that's fine. I'm done with this entire situation. That's fine. You're going to lose your [ __ ] job. Okay. Yep. You're not the first person to say it, you won't be the last. >> And yeah, you What is that I was looking at you, so it was what? I was trying to what? Yeah. Charges will get dropped cuz I didn't do anything. I walked away like you asked me to. Didn't I? And I'm I mean walking away right now. >> Do you have anything on your person I need to know about? Any weapons? Anything that's going to stick, poke, or hurt us? >> no, no. Okay, where's your ID at? It's in my wallet right here in my left pocket. Central 616, have one in custody. Do you have any personal Okay, anything in your other pockets? No. No weapons on you? >> No. It's funny how you're getting me for leaving. You told me to leave and I was leaving. I have one in custody. Okay, let's go get you in the car and then we'll get everything else sorted out. You were You were hot trotting all over here a minute ago. What? You don't know about my disability. Shut up. Yeah, and I'm walking right now, so you can kiss my ass. How about that? Kiss my ass. What's that? Well, someone else needs to come. It's fine. We got money for a lawyer. So, what was it when I left the property? What was I doing? What What was it? This is when I left. Give me this. You don't get this anywhere. Have a seat. I have my phone. Yep. Go on and have a seat. Yep. Go on and have a seat, buddy. Please. Please have a seat, buddy. Yep. Ricky believed that because he was on a public easement, no one could force him to move. However, the law clearly defines loitering and disorderly conduct. When officers determine that your presence is a catalyst for a potential fight and you repeatedly refuse lawful orders, they have full legal backing to affect an arrest. Tell my girlfriend PH right now. 5656 at the file. Just stand by, 1. We're getting absolutely slammed up here. All right. Central 14, status. Dispatched. Is that the end of the day dispatch here in St. Cloud? No. No. Okay. I believe it was down in Denton. But like this the perfect example. Okay. Right? We have them priority calls and you still didn't even know it was coming out, but like >> my whole point was that I was going to have to leave and I told them that if there was a priority call, but now we're at a point where we couldn't. Um Or if it over here. Going to be a Lester Tomlin, T Thomas, O and Mary O and N and Nora. versus Ricky, R I C K Y. What was their name D David, A Adam, R Robert, N Nora, E Edward, W and he's going to be a second. 32685 or 32685 be what now? That's going to be a second. And when will he be arraigned or whatever you call >> In the morning. They'll arraign him instead of bond. And where will that be? At the courthouse in Mesquite. Um What do you want to do about his medicine cuz he has diabetes? >> We can take it up to the jail and let them know. He does not have uh insulin pen. I mean uh needle though. He only has the extra They have a jail nurse. She won't be in till the morning, but I will let them know that we have his insulin that he needs insulin. The jail nurse has those supplies. They'll be able to talk to her and get that taken care Okay, he will need it tonight. Okay, I will let them know and they can call the jail nurse. Um Will you ask him if he Did he bring his medicine bag with him and all of his medicine with him? Um I think Can you ask him if he brought his the rest of his medication? I think You cannot ask him, baby. Um and uh I know he has a bag with him. Yeah, you're going to have to leave. Yeah, Becky? Oh. >> [snorts] >> Legal charges disorderly conduct potential trespassing.