You got your license or or any sort of
identification with you? No. You don't
have any sort of identification? No. Do
you have a Maryland driver's license?
>> I don't have a driver's license because
I'm not driving anywhere.
>> I know. I understand that, but you know
you're operating a motor vehicle. You
and I can agree on that.
You say that you're traveling, I say
you're driving. We can agree on the
grounds that you're operating a motor
vehicle. Yes? Pulled over for tinted
windows, a routine stop quickly spirals
into something far more questionable.
Instead of clearly addressing the
violation, officers begin making vague
demands while ignoring the driver's
repeated requests for a supervisor. As
tension builds, they dismiss his
arguments, apply pressure, and threaten
tickets and towing. In the end, rather
than resolving the situation
transparently, they double down, issuing
citations and forcing him off the road.
Was this a case of a citizen standing on
his rights or officers pushing the
limits of their authority? Hey, what's
going on, man? How you doing? Officer
Rosser, Baltimore County Police. Need to
let you know you'll be in audio and
video recording. Okay.
You know I don't.
What's that? I don't. It's just your
tints, man. Your tints are far too dark
and you got tints on the front
windshield. You know you I don't want to
do that. All right, I'll get that I'll
get that situated.
>> Are you the registered owner? I get that
situated. Are you the registered owner
of the car? May I speak to a supervisor?
I mean I can get a supervisor out here.
I just need to let him know what you
what you're calling him out here for,
you know what I mean? Because
I have these papers right here. What do
you mean if it's a problem? Like if it's
a if it's illegal? No, like if No, I I
know I know that it's not illegal
because I'm not um I'm not driving, I'm
traveling. Okay.
>> But I'm saying
>> You're operating a motor vehicle. I mean
we can agree on that.
>> So I'm just saying if that's a problem
then I would like to speak to a
supervisor.
>> Okay, I understand that. I'll get a
supervisor started out here, okay? You
got your license or or any sort of
identification with you? No. You don't
have any sort of identification? No. Do
you have a Maryland driver's license?
>> I don't have a driver's license because
I'm not driving anywhere.
>> I know. I understand that, but you know
you're operating a motor vehicle. You
and I can agree on that.
You say that you're traveling, I say
you're driving. We can agree on the
grounds that you're operating a motor
vehicle. Yes? Can I speak to a
supervisor?
>> Like I said, I'm going to get one
started out here, no big deal. All
right? I'm just going to grab your name
real quick. I am Eubanks.
>> No, I understand that. Is this your
vehicle? Or did you Did you steal it?
You borrow it? I would like Can I speak
to a supervisor?
>> Like I said, I'm going to I'm going to
get one started out here, no big deal.
All right? All right, thank you. Okay.
Thank you. You mind if I look over this
stuff? Look over what? Your paperwork
right there. I just want to make sure I
don't violate any sort of your code of
ethics, all right?
You mind if I take it and read it? Yes,
you can read it. All right. Do I need to
read that one as well?
>> That's an oath to that that you guys
take as to the office.
Do I need to read that one as well? Um
this is just the court papers that back
it up, but I would like to speak to a
supervisor.
>> Okay, you mind if I read that? I'd like
to. I mean I'd like to understand a
little bit more about what you're
saying, you know? Can I speak to a
supervisor?
>> I'm I'm going to I'm going to request a
supervisor as soon as I go back to my
vehicle. Okay. Like I said, I just want
to understand a little bit more. I don't
want to I don't want to violate any sort
of your your code of ethics or anything
like that. Okay, that's how we're going
to do it. I appreciate it. Thanks. Stay
for one second. All right. Hey Antonio,
do me a favor and roll down your window
so I can speak with you. All right, so
here's the deal. I know you have a
learner's permit, okay? You don't have a
driver's license. I have a couple
options right now, okay? I can give you
a whole bunch of tickets, give you a
whole bunch of warnings, or I can make
you get out of the car, find another
ride until your car because you're
driving without a license. That's where
we're at right now. So, May I speak to a
supervisor? My supervisor's on the way
out here right now. Like I said from the
very beginning, no big deal. So, is this
how we're going to play because I'll go
back and I'll start writing the tickets
right now. You can go ahead and call for
a ride because I'm going to tow the car.
You're driving without a
driver's license. So, do you want me to
go start writing the tickets? I want you
to I want you to get the supervisor.
>> He's on his way out here right now. All
right, I'll be right back. What's up,
buddy? Are you the supervisor? Nope. Why
don't you just give me your license and
ID and cut the crap? That way I would
like to speak to a supervisor. So,
where's your ID or your license? I don't
have that. You don't have it on you at
all? I don't have that. You don't have
any identification on you? You don't
have any ID?
>> like to speak to a supervisor.
>> Do you have ID on you? Can I have your
badge number? Nope. I can't have your
badge number? There's no reason for you
to have it. So there's no reason for you
guys to have my identification.
>> There is. No. So he can ID you based The
right to travel, right here.
The right to travel, the right to mode
of conveyance.
>> Where did you get that piece of paper?
>> is
you take an oath to a constitution. Oh,
okay. I just gave him the paper.
I just gave him the paper right there.
That's what you That's what officers
take an oath to. So, can I can I speak
to a supervisor? He's getting ready to
walk off. All right, you might have to
get out of the car. I don't have to get
out of the car.
If we can't ID you, you might have to.
So. Am I being detained? What?
>> Am I being detained?
>> Absolutely. Absolutely?
>> Every single traffic stop is you you are
detained, okay?
Hey Mr. Jackson, so I got my supervisor
right here. This is Corporal Sager.
>> doing, Mr. Supervisor? Hey Mr. Jackson,
this is Corporal Sager.
Can I have your badge number? Sure,
5783.
5783?
>> again my name is Corporal Sager. You can
see it right here.
All right, um can I have that paper that
I
that the one of you He has it. That
officer has it. What kind of paper is
that we got? It's a paper that
that you guys take an oath to.
That officers take an oath to.
Okay, so so here's where we are, Mr.
Jackson. We've possibly identified who
you are. But that's not me. That's not
me as the flesh.
>> you don't have the valid license, okay?
And the place that you
>> I'm not driving, I'm traveling.
I'm traveling.
I can't I can easily travel up right
now. These are the things
These are the things that are going to
become an issue for you is that if you
move the car right now,
right? You're in violation. You're doing
this thing in my presence, which is a
lot different than the fact that when
this officer pulled you over, we hadn't
identified you. So,
here's your options. Either
the car gets towed, you get removed from
the vehicle to allow for that to happen.
You step out of the vehicle
>> So you guys are going to verbal Okay. So
like I said, you can't can't drive.
Okay. So, are you going to be waiting
here for somebody or are you going to be
waiting for them to come back to pick up
the car later? I'm going to be waiting.
Can I have that paper back? Unless you
you want to keep it because it's good
for you.
No, actually
>> spare copies? If so, I'll keep it. No, I
don't have a spare copy, but it's so
special that I want you to keep it.
Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you. Am I
being detained? Yeah, you're receiving
the citations from Officer Rosser. But
what am I being detained for? If I'm
waiting You're receiving the citations
and then you are unfree to leave in this
vehicle as a driver till you have a
valid license driver in your passenger
seat or a valid license driver in your
driver's seat. So
All right, Mr. Jackson, go ahead and
step out of the car for me. Okay, I
don't I don't I don't I don't
agree with signing anything.
>> Well, I mean this isn't an an admission
of guilt, it's just signing signing
saying that I explained it to you.
You're going to get a copy of it, I'm
going to get a copy of it.
I mean I have it on camera right here
that I just explained it to you. Okay,
then then I said nothing. Exactly. So it
doesn't make a difference to me. Um but
you know, when you go to court, I'm
going to show up with an unsigned thing.
I'm going to I'm going to write
defendant refused to sign. It's going to
be on camera that you refused to sign.
It's just not going to look good for
you. I know. I'm I'm okay.
>> All right. Uh just as long as you're
aware of that. So like I said, here are
a whole bunch of citations. Do you
understand that? I understand, yes.
Okay. All right.
So here are those
citations. You don't have to grab it
from me, I'll put it right here in your
lap. Um even though you didn't sign it,
I'm going to give you a copy of it. I
will sign it for you. You can't sign it
for me.
>> Well, yeah, but I can write refused to.
So,
at this point, we allowed you to move
your car to a legal parking space and
you are not allowed to travel in this
vehicle because you will be in violation
of the license restriction.