what's going on with Lori Valor it can't be anything else I would love to have this posture right now he looks like a superhero you did it just stay in there and she said some crazy things but it was clear she understood what was going on and that folks were dead it's as good as it's gonna get turning now to Idaho we're cult Mom Lori Valor debell's attorneys have filed a motion to appeal she was convicted of murder and conspiracy to commit murder back in May for the deaths of her two youngest children and her husband Chad's first wife well now Laurie's appealing yeah I mean always always always expect that people are going to appeal in court cases always just expect it but why I feel like this appeal is just going to get thrown away so quickly but I want to remind you guys when cases like this go to trial when you know we go through everything we get the conviction we're in the courtroom and then finally let's say we get the guilty verdict sometimes the victim's families there's a there's a little relief when we get the guilty verdict right and then the sentencing comes around it's another wave of anxiety because it's like are they going to get off easy are they going to like actually get a strong sentence you know there's that way and then victims families and people involved they usually get the sentence and let's say they're happy with it and then this happens and these people appeal and it just drags the whole process out even longer it's it's very stressful for all involved now even the Lori ballo's case involves a lot of her family uh who knows if they even consider her family anymore I don't know I wouldn't goodbye Lori we've had had enough but it's just the appeals it makes it into a much longer process and it's so stressful her attorneys are repealing those convictions citing numerous issues such as did the court err in its order dated April 11 2022 wherein the court found the defendant after spending 10 months in a mental hospital was competent to stand trial wait did the court ER okay was the court incorrect in its order dated April 11 2022 wherein the court founded the defendant after spending 10 months in a mental hospital was competent to stand trial Lori was probably in a mental institution because one her whole family has gone missing essentially and she's acting like she doesn't know what happened after she goes on a Hawaiian vacation and two she's like clearly in a state of actually you know what would you call Lori's State a state of religious delusion I feel like it's so different than you remember I've talked about the south Texas murders with uh like Andrea Yates with like Deanna like these people they had severe religious delusions severe religious delusion there's something about lorries where to me it feels like she's more deluded by chat like Chad dabel could have said that aliens are God and they walk the planet amongst us and everyone's skinwalkers which I I'm sure he was like saying that too as well but I mean I think she was more obsessed with Chad and was down to do whatever he said and it's less about the just pure state of religious delusion this just it feels different than me sending the case back to the grand jury and did the court error in allowing the jury to hear statements of co-conspirators but then rule injury instructions that the government need not prove those persons were part of the conspiracy they've also requested that a state public defender be assigned to this appeal still with us attorneys Jack Rice Josh Schiffer all right gentlemen here's the thing that stood out to me I printed it out we want to appeal for the crime that Lori was found guilty of and um we want the state to pay for it thank you and I was all excited to see what the specific grounds were and it's about three pages and they are very typical grounds in terms of what one might expect an appeal to be about and it really had everything in the kitchen sink I think it laid everything out to your point competency was decided during a hearing but they are raising that issue do you think that one of those stands out as one that you think oh my gosh this court of appeals is definitely going to look at this one Jack you know when I look at appeals especially with cases like guys did you guys see this this man his most confident dude I have ever seen I would love to have this posture right now he looks like a superhero I'm about to start taking shoulder pads and putting them in all of my t-shirts what how do I do that oh this dude I just want that I want that you know when I look at appeals especially with cases like these your honor what come to mind always is did you see anything that was such a disaster that the jury could have concluded some other way and and the standard is generally at least that's a good question what I've been dealing with certainly at the district court level when I'm trying cases is basically that the court of appeals The Supremes generally they never ever want to overturn a case that a jury has concluded upon unless they have unless they're backed into a corner and I mean that's what it feels like from my perspective so my guess at this point yeah shot where Lori was smiling as they should because that's that's exactly everything that I saw I still sufficient grounds to make the argument that she gets a new trial this doesn't rise to that level because the standard is extraordinarily High especially with cases like these where they don't want to have to do it again and competency to me is is just a throw in I think she if there were any issues with her being able to help in her defense which we know is an issue for competency I'm sure her attorneys would have raised that issue she spoke at the end of the trial and she said some crazy things but it was clear she understood what was going on and that folks were dead even though they were speaking to her from the afterlife oh my God wait a minute did he just roast her that hard wait did he say that she said crazy stuff and see I'm sure her attorneys would have raised that issue she spoke at the end of the trial and she said some crazy things but it was clear she understood what was going on and that folks were dead even though they were speaking to her from the afterlife but here's the one Josh like it's so weird her delusions sound like a choice that she doesn't want to be talked out of she just firmly believes this like there's the refusal to listen to people and then there's the inability to listen to people due to your religious like delusions where you really think all of this stuff is happening did I have an issue with it I think maybe is the strongest one to your question um and that's the one about allowing evidence in regarding the death of Charles valo right she's going she's going to be extradited to face those charges she had not been convicted of it but evidence of that was allowed into this trial at the time of the trial I thought that was a problem and that's something that conceivably one could argue could certainly have affected the outcome of the trial and look at how that prior bad Act is wait I thought he had a little ear I thought he had a cute little ear and then there's like animal painting in the background was like aiding to it a little bit I didn't what is that I need to know what that is I cannot unsee the little the little bunny ear and the headphone right here I need him to just move a little bit at some point and look at how that fire bad act issue has brought back cases that were decided previously we've just had a widower murder trial where that prior bad act testimony was Central to the appeal that removed him from his original sentence and caused him to be retried that I agree with you is the most substantive of the appeals uh of arguments that I've seen so far but I also need to caution everybody death penalty cases are appeals after appeals after appeals it's a long Arc game and sometimes it just takes a little bit to gather steam the the easy parts of criminal they really thought they were like a power couple they really thought they were getting into heaven and they thought they were cool look at these two I Camp heels remain easy for every court and every litigant because every single trial you're going to see an appeal that generally relates to a few specific issues that means that there's an opinion from the court of appeals Supreme Court on thousands of these cases that very often are making similar arguments that we kind of expect about sufficiency of evidence uh insufficient counsel you know you didn't call this witness you should have called it and the court has really good direction on that but the prior bad Acts that's a decision by the court that dramatically affects the fairness ratio the so I what we're kind of talking about in this video a little bit is that okay when filing an appeal they basically have to say like hey was there a piece of information or a witness or something that what went categorically wrong and if this one thing was a little bit different could this have changed the jury's entire vote a lot of times especially like with a full jury like this when a trial takes this long and it has this much information the answer is kind of no so what their team is going to do is put together a list of like 10 really really small things and they're gonna be like look we we have to appeal we have to file this and so he's just explaining into more detail like why or why not this may not be a thing fairness question with his little as to how a trial takes place that's where they've got their best arguments yeah and one could argue oftentimes as it to Jack's Point earlier that even and regardless of that there was plenty of of evidence to convict her but again this particular type of evidence the reason why I think it's where sort of their most power lies is that that forces you to look at the other evidence differently so even if there's a lot of other evidence you could still argue this evidence taints the way a jury would look at that evidence so that may be a strong argument I just have to ask you jack about a couple arguments that you guys really think that they have any grounds for an appeal in this whole video five minutes in they haven't named a single thing was like that huge moment that big witness that big blunder they're just naming a bunch of little things here and there and like oh this could be it this could be it maybe this maybe this this this that I think are so weak I'm a little surprised they even put them in here did the government commit fundamental reversible error in its opening statement and did the government commit fundamental reversible error in its closing statement those two things first of all if you violate a rule and you bring in something it wasn't a part of the evidence then you object at the time and the court can always declare a mistrial if it's so egregious I just don't think this has any weight at all in an appeal right I told you guys what they're gonna do if there's not a big moment they're gonna make a long list of quite frankly a bunch of and try to say this wasn't a fair trial so you know if you guys are interested in True Crime and court cases and all of that what I recommend you also look into is after the trial is done we have the guilty verdict we have the sentencing go look at the appeals look at what they try to appeal for it will tell you every single last final sticking point that they think they have and honestly the appeals list sometimes it's laughable kitchen sink because you want to be able to make sure that if for some reason something pops up later you can make the argument and say I I that's in the list it's on the list so you will just start tossing everything out there knowing full well that of the 18 different arguments you're making you might have won the 404 B stuff yeah that's going to be the decent argument and maybe that maybe that one's not even enough but the other 17 you kind of sort of hold your nose and you go okay let's file this one everybody yeah I mean and Josh is there any argument to be made about the kids out there is if maybe two three or four have some Merit to them is that a possible uh what does he mean by kitchen sink you're gonna put everything in the kitchen into it every single ingredient including the kitchen sink it's just like an idiom I think there's a power in the accumulative effect but think again who's the audience actually that these documents are written for they are written for appellate judges appellate judges have huge power but a really narrow mandate they're supposed to go review whatever problems people are complaining about from lower courts wow they're not allowed to go relitigate the case they're not allowed to insert stuff no they really are restricted into the way that's fascinating I didn't know that did you guys know that so when it goes to this specific type of Judge they're really just looking at the complaints they're not looking at the whole case like sure they have access to some of these files they have access and these things but they they're not really supposed to bring it all in they're supposed to just look at the problems that were filed and decide is this big enough of a problem I actually didn't even realize that so that's how some of these appeals pass because they just kind of have to argue for it being an attorney is just arguing it's just it's just making a bunch of stuff and then seeing if you can twist it to work in your favor a lot of times that if your client is guilty that's what you're doing let's just be real dude review the decisions made by lower courts and the litigants in an effort to then either fix or reject and most the time if there's a problem send the case back down to that court in order for them to fix the issue here we've got problems with the overwhelming facts and evidence that we're involved it's not like the defense fit into it wasn't me I didn't do it they needed no that that wasn't there the defense is it Remains the mental health issue but the physical evidence the physical trial the case I don't think there's that much to review and courts of appeal are really good at consolidating appeals making them very smooth short and efficient I expect that here and you know let's not forget I want him to move so bad but I know I know guys there's a cat statue behind him it can't be anything else Overlook the fact that Laura's now broke and they're looking for public defenders to take over uh this case and I can't say this in my experience um public defenders who do appeals are some of the best attorneys oh gosh there's no I don't think there's any issue there oh yeah brilliant brilliant yeah it's what they do that's the truth yeah it's the truth when you realize court of appeals cases the number of cases that are done public defenders and public defender's offices usually the way it works around the country is you'll have the district court level that that trial court level and you'll have actually a pellet Court Public Defenders this is all they do and they work on these kinds of cases and they do large numbers of them they have incredible expertise and they're extremely good writers and so that's correct and they're also it's like getting a third set of eyes they're not like jaded from the whole case it's not using the same public defender that she had before this is the last person that is just gonna you know search through every nook and try to throw everything out here and this is like also how you know if someone you know is found guilty through the whole trial they get a gnarly sentence they appeal and their appeal doesn't pass then their next pill doesn't pass you did it just stay in there