okay who is this person I have no idea I did not I swear to god I did not walk in with him unless you got video of me getting in the car with him and him getting in my car we do it's it's right there I just watched it it was a girl who came in with me I mean that's what I'm saying it's not a boy it was a girl who is this though a girl named Jessica just some random girl from the area over there okay how old is Jessica 14:13 okay what did you steal that you remember there was chips cookies okay did you pay for anything that day no okay why did you lie to me then ON JANUARY 14TH, 2023 DEPUTIES RESPONDED TO A TARGET STORE IN SEMINOLE COUNTY FLORIDA THE CALL AN ACTIVE RETAIL THEFT INVOLVING AN ADULT WOMAN AND THREE MINORS IN FLORIDA ONE NUMBER DECIDES EVERYTHING $300 BELOW THAT LINE IT'S A MISDEMEANOR ABOVE IT IT'S A FELONY so who everybody stole something with the exception of the baby I'm not sure so you are going to jail oh my god you are going to jail cause you've been stolen from here before let's all go back inside huh let's all go back inside okay just they were with me okay well they're accusing you guys of shoplifting so can we head back inside or do I need to just start putting people in cuffs out here no no no okay you guys you included my baby you don't nope everybody inside that's all right girl it's okay so is there a reason why they would be accusing you guys of shoplifting that's that's that was their store okay so just have I'm not gonna lie okay I appreciate it yep we'll be in the LP office and that door on your right you can just go right on in there right there 26 thank you how old are you guys they're minors they're all minors yes OK mom I'm not talking to these cops OK no stop please stop I don't want to get any more trouble I'm already it's okay then you guys while everybody's here i'mma read this to you guys you have the right to remain silent anything you say can be used against you in court and you have the right to have an attorney present now at any time during questioning if you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you without cost if you talk to me you have the right to stop answering questions or speak to an attorney at any time do you understand each of these rights I need to have a verbal yes or no from each one of you ma'am yes yes camo yes or no do you understand your do you know these understand your rights yes Hollister yes ma'am yes are you willing to talk with me yes or no yeah you've already said no but I have to ask again yes or no sure I guess I have no choice cause I'm already in trouble with court so they're gonna put this on my fucking record too so what yes or no yes or no yes OK do you guys have IDS on you I'm 16 I'm 14 OK thank you you said you've been in trouble with court Seminole County Orange you guys out on probation Parole probation what for fighting fighting stupid crackhead yeah if you guys want to follow the um LP into the office are they yours huh are they your kids sorry yeah just give me one second here so they're not your kids whose kids are they no I just that driver and that car's kids huh are they the driver and that car's kids one of them is so who are the other one her friends her friends okay how's your day going I was trying to go to the bathroom when this came out so that's how my day is going first and then can I have this is a really stupid question what's the baby's name are you kidding me yes baby has to go on the report Baby's not getting arrested or anything like that but baby's baby was present and this what the fuck dude hey how you doing I'm OK do you mind talking to me for a second let me call you back and I'm Caitlin hey are you waiting on anybody in the store yes I just seen I OK she had I gave her money earlier today yeah and I gave her and she has her food card OK so I thought you know that she was going in she says I need help cause I can't put off yeah the drinks with the kids OK cause I get over $1,000 food stamps yeah so and then she gets her food stamps she gets like four or 5 hundred too so I thought with that and then I pay her cause she stays with me who is she to you family to me I mean like you guys are like friends cohabitants yeah now do you have an ID on you yeah I sure do what are you guys up to today nothing really I I didn't expect this to happen yeah um because she knows my daughter right now is in trouble my daughter is actually not on probation but she me OK you know so I you know somebody open the grocery store she needs something with food stamps you know drinks she had money and I she had her food card and then like if you need extra food stamps let me know I got my food card too sure second one's gonna be Caitlin Kilo Alpha Tango Echo Lima Yankee November Middle Initial F Fox Trout last name comment spelling you guys start on the total on what was taken and stuff say that again you guys are gonna start on the total on what was taken I can I can have somebody start that yes please I gotta pee can I go pee no hey can I request a crimhist on the adult female what's a crimhist my history um 65 in one second i'mma step out of here he's using kid 3 signal 40 threes to steal items hello all right oh with there's another issue there's a Newborn baby here as well so yeah thank you guys 1 6 5 9 6 1 6 5 9 6 1 6 5 9 6 1 6 5 9 6 yeah with the approval of 5 12 I'm requesting a criminal history who's who's baby that again is that your baby it is your baby that's all for today OK alright just sit tight for us um let me know when you guys get here we're gonna have to get the kids info too all the kids yeah I already got their info what can I help you with you want me to pull a case yeah and just start on the tree all of them should be in the um they're in the B E I E R do you mind if I sit here and thank you s t E R I'm sorry hello he's Alfie do you have any open cases with her that you know of I do OK OK did you file that already I have not filed this one yet OK um 2 days ago 3 days ago 2 or 3 days ago OK alright um get this we got a lot of paperwork here but um if you can just kind of pull that one up and we'll kind of have it ready okay yeah if you're not doing anything well file on two separate and you only use this one right yeah yeah exact same thing and um will they fall together if they're so close together they're separate okay they're separate cases got it cause that's two separate instances so um do that we got a lot of paperwork and um we're to but just uh whenever you finish that stuff up just try to pull up that other case yep and then we'll all go with that do you care if she watches it um that benefit you guys normally don't yeah'cause I just I wanna give her the chance to so I can even just take a photo if you want yeah if you want to do that sure oh is this your state of business for that inside here sorry yes and you need a yes you need a sorry about that sorry here's your receipt alright so this is considered right here and the same exact merchandise and the merchandise is in that cart uh both these carts both of them chips drinks OK yeah and there's baby formula where do you see that's me this is you yes you swear from all the information you're true nature to the best of your knowledge you ever know we provide any false information to a law enforcement officer concerning the commission of any crime is guilty of misdemeanor first degree punishable by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding one year and or a fine not exceeding $1,000 yes THIS CASE SITS INSIDE THAT FELONY THRESHOLD AND THAT SINGLE FACT SHAPES EVERY OTHER LEGAL ISSUE IN IT BEFORE DEPUTIES ARRIVED STORE LOSS PREVENTION HAD ALREADY DETAINED THE GROUP UNDER FLORIDA'S MERCHANT DETENTION LAW THAT LAW PERMITS REASONABLE LIMITED DETENTION ON SUSPICION OF THEFT NOT INDEFINITE CONFINEMENT AND NOT FORCE BEYOND WHAT'S NECESSARY THE THEFT CHARGE ITSELF IS DEFINED UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 812.014 THEFT VALUED BETWEEN $320,000 IS GRAND THEFT IN THE THIRD DEGREE A FELONY BY COMPARISON SECOND DEGREE GRAND THEFT STARTS AT $20,000 AND FIRST DEGREE BEGINS AT 100,000 THIS CASE VALUED AT ROUGHLY $1,300 SITS AT THE LOWEST FELONY TIER BUT A FELONY NONETHELESS THE SECOND MAJOR ISSUE IS MIRANDA READ NOT TO ONE PERSON BUT TO FOUR TWO OF THEM MINORS THE LANDMARK CASE IS MIRANDA VERSUS ARIZONA DECIDED IN 1966 IT REQUIRES THAT ANYONE IN CUSTODY BE TOLD THEY CAN REMAIN SILENT AND SPEAK TO AN ATTORNEY BEFORE QUESTIONING MINORS COMPLICATE THAT STANDARD THE SUPREME COURT ADDRESSED THIS IN JDB VERSUS NORTH CAROLINA DECIDED IN 2011 THAT RULING HELD A JUVENILE'S AGE MUST FACTOR INTO WHETHER THEY REASONABLY FELT FREE TO LEAVE IN PRACTICE THAT MEANS EACH MINOR NEEDED AN INDIVIDUAL VERBAL CONFIRMATION OF UNDERSTANDING NOT A GROUP NOD THAT STEP WAS FOLLOWED CORRECTLY HERE AND IT MATTERS SKIP IT AND A MINOR'S STATEMENT RISKS BEING THROWN OUT LATER A THIRD LEGAL ISSUE IS MORE SUBTLE FALSE STATEMENTS MADE DURING THE INTERVIEW ITSELF FLORIDA STATUTES SECTION 837.05 CRIMINALIZES KNOWINGLY LYING TO AN OFFICER ABOUT A CRIME IT'S A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR PUNISHABLE BY UP TO ONE YEAR IN JAIL AND A ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE THE SUSPECT TRIGGERED THAT RISK WITHOUT REALIZING IT DENYING AN EARLIER THEFT THEN REVERSING HERSELF ONCE SHOWN STORE FOOTAGE THAT REVERSAL DOES TWO THINGS IT STRENGTHENS THE ORIGINAL THEFT CASE AND IT OPENS A SECOND SEPARATE CHARGE THE FOURTH ISSUE DESERVES MENTION EVEN WITHOUT A CONFIRMED CHARGE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELINQUENCY OF A MINOR FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 827.04 CRIMINALIZES KNOWINGLY INVOLVING A CHILD IN UNLAWFUL CONDUCT IF PROSECUTORS CAN SHOW SHE DIRECTED A MINOR TO TAKE MERCHANDISE THAT STATUTE BECOMES DIRECTLY RELEVANT ONE AVAILABLE DEFENSE IS INTENT THEFT REQUIRES KNOWINGLY TAKING PROPERTY TO PERMANENTLY DEPRIVE THE OWNER OF IT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY ONE MINOR'S CLAIM THAT SHE NEVER KNEW ITEMS WERE UNPAID COULD SHIELD HER FROM THAT SAME CHARGE ONE MORE PROCEDURAL POINT THIS INCIDENT AND AN EARLIER ONE DAYS APART WERE FILED AS TWO SEPARATE CASES UNDER FLORIDA LAW EACH THEFT IS ITS OWN OFFENSE EVEN WHEN THE SAME PERSON IS INVOLVED EVERY TIME um can you there's two people that's always me with my baby right there where's the other person in the court that's a young male yeah he appears to be a minor I was just middle school aged might have a better shot on my other exit let's go so you said you're waiting for the property I honestly I'm gonna sit here and say I really do not know who he is I know that's me with my kid yeah that's straight up I know I know I came in with me and my kid I'm not gonna sit here and say I didn't I know I left with me and my kid well let's let's run through that one start to finish okay I didn't pay for everything I had in my cart yeah yeah I I I get that I get that let's just let's just run chase do you mind if I question her no not at all um let's just run through the start to finish um so you what what day was this um 2009 it's the ninth OK so ninth you came to this target OK um who drove you to the target a my friend who's your friend the same one did she drive you did she drive you in a Tahoe the same one that was out there no we're in a I think a pickup truck pickup truck sometimes in a pickup truck sometimes in a Tahoe but but that that that they were in the in the truck I'm pretty sure okay I mean I don't know it's not a big deal but I'm just curious yeah I'm pretty sure okay so who who all went in who all did you come with to target just me and the baby and then she was driving so there's no no kid I walked in with me and the baby let's let's let's let's back up okay so who all came to in the car yes her and her kids and then me and my kids so right here okay so let's so we've been a girl not a boy okay so she she brought the two kids that were here they were with us yes but they didn't come in the store OK and then you brought the baby I paid him extra for the baby yes so who is this kid that's what I'm saying I don't know who he is he's not even with me from what they're saying there's stuff in here so I'm gonna get in trouble for something that well didn't pertain to me no no no no no I take blame for what I do do what I did I don't know look only can you play the whole script for me if you don't mind can you play like the selection and stuff on this one but the one with what with the two people from the night yep yeah hey Jason from the 7th floor shot but then same thing off the exit shot has a lot of sodas and chips okay cause I'm just trying to figure it out and then is that the same kid that she walks out with yes okay and that's where they go into grocery and I kind of lose selection from there I do have I'll have the footage of them passing by all my and yeah did they pay for anything can we just double check yep so they are coming off the grocery floor OK I'm here her and him OK and it goes 9 5 one exit that's the exact same numbers today yeah and then you'll just see him around the corner here hahaha let's see here yeah I parked there hahaha true because I was already off the clock at this point that's funny yeah I appreciate it no problem okay so on the night you're saying your page for stuff I've been in this store only three times that's it and I bought formula so let's I mean I can't say what day was day I don't know so you may have been a target three times yes um including today yes okay that's makes day three did you steal all the times the first time or whatever the the which is the the knife that's what I was talking about I was just in here yesterday I didn't steal yesterday either okay you didn't steal yesterday so today I stole yeah yeah I I I get that so you know I mean in the day that I got the baby formula I paid for the formula and I didn't pay for her diapers and wipes or her cookies on the night I don't know if that's the night if it was the night on on on the the first time you came in the store yes I paid for the the photo I showed you you know what the one the first time I came in the store right that's what we're talking about I mean he's saying it's the ninth so I don't know the ninth is in the date the ninth is the date it's not the ninth time you've been here oh yeah no no no no like so like today is the 14th right today is the 14th I was in here yesterday so when I was in here park when you that this is you right yes okay so you and I have wipes on the bottom okay what that I didn't pay for okay so you you stole stuff this day yes yes okay alright what did you steal that you remember there was chips cookies okay did you pay for anything that day no okay why did you lie to me then I the first time I came in here I paid for her formula okay alright sorry we we had our days we accept that yes okay so you stole stuff on this day yes okay you didn't you didn't pay for anything whatsoever on this day okay who is this person I have no idea I did not I swear to god I did not walk in with him unless you got video of me getting in the car with him and him getting in my car we do it's it's right there I just watched it it was a girl who came in with me I mean I I literally just watched a person get in the car they like come out with the you load up the items of the car like and it was a female that was with me that's what I'm saying it's not a boy it was a girl who is this though a girl named Jessica just some random girl from the area over there okay how old is Jessica 14:13 okay she just came with me that was it okay did she know she was stealing she doesn't know anything we went in I got the stuff and like she met me at the um Starbucks okay um what is uh Jessica's last name do you know no clue how how do you guys know each other I just I'm she runs around with some of the hoodlum kids out there and I go babysit her that's it okay um like Orlando area did did she know she was stealing stuff no she okay she didn't know anything cause we we don't want her to get in trouble I don't want to get in trouble I didn't know anything I mean so you whatever I took that day I took that day I mean I'm not looking to get somebody in trouble I understand that did you either direct her to or did you put merchandise in her cart I picked everything up as far as I remember but this the merchandise cause there's merchandise in her cart too yeah it's soda I think so I'm what I'm asking is so I pick this stuff up and put in the cart yeah in this one too yes okay alright so I'm I'm saying I'm saying it's a girl it's not a boy so when y'all kept saying this okay well I I apologize yeah so I'm talking to someone else get hold of me and create a pocket full of money so we'll check it out you have anything in your pocket do you change the money back please OK three out of five yeah here we go OK let me try it yeah oh that's already done it's done now let's go um and uh GRADING THE RESPONSE THE DEPUTIES EARN A B+ INDIVIDUAL MIRANDA CONFIRMATIONS FOR EACH MINOR WAS THE STRONGEST DECISION MADE IN THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW THE SUSPECT EARNS A D HER INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS CREATED LEGAL EXPOSURE WELL BEYOND THE THEFT ITSELF THE LESSON HERE IS SIMPLE ONCE MIRANDA RIGHTS ARE READ SILENCE IS A RIGHT NOT A LIABILITY ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT A SEPARATE EARLIER INCIDENT INSTEAD OF INVOKING THAT RIGHT IS WHAT TURNED ONE CHARGE INTO TWO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S AN INTERACTION OR LEGAL TOPIC YOU'D LIKE US TO COVER IN THE COMMENTS BELOW THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND DON'T FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE LEGAL ANALYSIS OF POLICE INTERACTIONS