19 G 40 DAYS. THE GUY STABBED. SHOTS FIRED. >> Body camera video shows the moments leading up to a deadly officer involved shooting after a suspect stabs multiple officers on the scene. >> Yeah. No, he got he stabbed me. >> He stabbed me? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It happened on February 18th in Houston, Texas. Officers were dispatched for a welfare check of John Kung Tran Lee, who was having a mental health crisis. So, my brother, he's sick. >> He's uh >> You say he's sick? >> He's mental. So, you guys can't leave him here. There's no possible way. We've been trying to get him out of our home, trying to help him, but he's not going to leave. >> Body camera video shows responding officers speaking with Lee's brother, who says he's dealt with mental health issues in the past. >> So, I don't know what you guys need to do, but you guys need to take him get him into a sideboard and he can handle the rest. Lee's brother says he has been struggling the past few days and was progressively getting worse. >> The last couple days has been kind of proceeding. Each day is kind of getting bad and better. Today is getting bad where he's making my grandparents and my mom sit in the living room. Not he took their phones. I had to I just kind of like had to kind of sneak out here cuz I saw you guys out here. >> He tells officers he's scared what will happen if his brother sees him. >> What kind of issue? can't see me talk to him either because he's going to hold a grudge against me. He's probably going to I don't know what he's going to be capable of right now. It's just crazy. >> Lee's brother also says he had other mental health related incidents. >> He's taking any kind of medication right now. >> I don't know anything right now, but currently I know that he's just not in his right mind, but I can't. >> Does he work? >> Does he work? Does he work or not? >> Uh, no. He hasn't been able to work because of kind of being like this. >> So, he was anything happened before. >> Does he diagnose anything like a mental [ __ ] >> He's been in the psych before. So, it's not the first time. So, >> is he on medication? >> He's No. >> Eventually, officers approach the house where Lee is staying. >> You mind when I sit there and wait for us? >> Lee answers the door, but cannot be seen on the body camera video. Audio captures his conversation with officers. >> Hello. >> [bell] >> Hi, this is the police who police John. >> That's John. >> Can you come out? Talk to me. John, >> you can talk right here. >> Okay. Can I see you? I want to see who you are. >> I want to make sure that you have nothing. You have any weapon on you? >> I have nothing. >> Okay. >> Officers ask whether Lee wants to be taken to the hospital. >> What's going on, John? >> Nothing. >> Do you want to go to hospital? Is there anybody inside the house beside you? >> Uh, my family. >> Your family? Can I talk to your mom? Is your mom home? >> Okay, just leave the door open. Let me talk to your mom. >> After that, officers speak with a woman who's presumed to be Lee's mother. She tells officers trouble could be on the way. >> Tell him, "Open the door. Don't let him close the door. Your mom say >> the Houston Police Department did not release the body camera from inside Lee's home, saying video taken in a private space cannot publicly be shared without written permission. The next portion of the video shows the aftermath of the officer involved shooting. >> 19g 40 days. I GOT STABBED. SHOTS FIRED. >> Investigators say Lee stabbed both responding officers. After that, one of the officers opened fire, hitting Lee. >> Where the suspect at? >> He's sitting inside on the floor. >> You got shot, too? >> I I shot him. Video then shows officers scrambling to get first aid equipment as blood smears over the body camera. >> Okay, let let me apply pressure. >> Hey, how's your neck? Everything good? That's your night, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. That's my night. Yeah. >> Yeah. My head's feeling numb, but uh >> Okay. You want You want to >> have high pressure on your neck? >> Lay down. >> App pressure on your neck. Go sit down in the in the car. Stay warm. >> Both officers were taken to the hospital for their injuries and later released. Lee died as a result of the shooting. Right now, the shooting is still in the early stages of the investigation. Houston officials say evidence is still being collected and witnesses are still being interviewed. [snorts] >> So So what I have here is a preliminary breath test. What it does, it detects the presence of alcohol on your person. >> It's completely voluntary. >> It is not admissible in court, >> right? >> And it is not used to make any kind of arrest decision. >> Is this something that you would like to take? >> No. >> Okay. Newly released body camera footage captures a Texas state senator's arrest for suspicion of drunk driving. The video shows Texas State Senator Charles Schwartner getting pulled over in the early morning hours on February 7th. >> Hi, how are you all doing? >> Good. >> How are you, sir? >> Good. So, the reason I stopped you is because you were splitting lane. You were diving between two lanes. >> I'm sorry. We were changing channels and stuff. I apologize. >> It's all good. Keep keep your eyes on your seat a little, please. >> In the front passenger seat with Shortner is State Representative Claudio Ordazz. Shortner explains to the officer the two were driving back from getting a bite to eat. And after a few quick exchanges, the officer informed Shortner he noticed he was swerving in between lanes. >> Where you all coming from tonight? >> We were out just um over at I was picking her up at the airport and then we went out to dinner and stuff. >> Okay, cool. Do you have a driver's license and officials? >> This is actually my place. >> Yeah, this is where she lives. >> Yeah, I got it. It's all about the way you all driving is you're splitting lane like literally in the middle of two lanes. These lanes are honestly terrible. >> Is Is the lane full? >> Well, they're super narrow. >> Yeah, they are. But you all were taking the whole street pretty much. I have it on camera, but like you're driving in the middle of the two lanes. >> Sorry, we didn't notice that. I'm so sorry. >> No, it's all good. >> The officer then can be heard asking Schwartner if he had anything to drink, which he denied. >> Not a single drink. >> Cool. Is that your car? >> Yes, sir. >> You have insurance? >> Yes. >> Can I show you? Yes, progressive. I'm not sure. I have it on on my cell phone as well. >> Seconds later, the officer asked Schwartner to get out of the car. >> Charles, would you mind sitting outside for a second? >> Sure. >> As the state senator and the officer walks away from the car, the officer tells Schwartner he notices a strong odor from his breath. >> So, here's the deal, man. I have a strong smell of alcohol coming from your breath. You tell me that you didn't drink anything. >> No. >> So you lied to me because there was some smell, strong smell coming from you >> that you were drinking tonight and the way you were driving is consistent with someone who was drinking. >> So let's try again one more time. How many drinks you have tonight? >> I haven't had anything to drink, sir. >> I guess alcohol smell coming from you. >> Yes, I have not had anything to drink. >> Okay, cool. Just stick by my vehicle for a second. >> Hello. >> How you doing? >> Uh my setup somewhere. Hold on for a second. Cool. Yeah. >> Uh, you mind standing here with my sergeant for a second? >> The officer then moves his vehicle to conduct a field sobriety test. >> Just get just get by up your vehicle. Let's have some conversation. I have a couple questions to ask you and we'll be doing some testing. Make sure that >> there's no alcohol involved like we were saying and we'll go from there. Okay. All right. Let's go by the spotlight by control vehicle. Stand like there for me, please. The spotlight right there. >> Spotlight. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to just check you very quick. Make sure you don't have any weapon or anything like that. Put your hands back. >> Just because I'll be in a very close proximity with you, I need to make sure that you don't have any weapon on you. >> After checking Schwartner for weapons, the officer continues to ask the state senator questions about where he went during the night and if he had been drinking. >> Stand right there. Face me, please. So again, where you coming from tonight? >> Waterburg. Which one? >> Picked her up at the airport. Going on Guadaloop. >> Which one? >> The Guadaloop. >> Okay. And where you going? >> Right there. I'm dropping her off at our house. >> Okay. Without looking at your watch, approximately. What time is it now? >> About 1:00. >> Okay. Can you approximate your location right now? Where you at? >> Yeah. 45th Street and Avenue B. >> Okay. Scale from zero being 100% sober, 10 being the most intoxicated you ever been. Where do you think you are on that scale? I'm sober. >> 0 to 10. >> Zero. >> Zero. Okay. >> Once Shortner is asked to walk in a straight line, he has trouble following the officer's instructions. >> All right. So, go ahead and stand right here for me, please. >> Where you going stand? >> Yeah, just stand right here. >> Oh, so you see this thick wide line that goes straight. I want you to go ahead and place your left foot on the line. >> Okay. >> And then go ahead and place your right foot in front of it with heel touch and toe. >> Okay. Heel touch and toe. No, no. I didn't tell it to walk. Just place your left foot on the line. >> Okay. >> Just follow my instructions. Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> Place your left foot on the line. >> Then you place uh place your right foot in front of it with heel touch and toe. And put both your hands on your sides just like that. >> Like that. >> Okay. I didn't instruct you to stop, sir. Just go back to your stand position. Just follow my instructions, please. >> Sorry. >> You're good. Just it's all about paying attention to instructions. Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> For purpose of demonstration, I'll be doing three. You'll be doing nine. >> It will look like the following. >> One, two, three, all the way to nine. You keep your lead foot on the ground. Take serious small steps with your back foot. Come back with another nine hill to steps. One, two, three. Again, all the way to nine. Now, I want you to keep your eyes on your foot all the time. Keep your hands on your sides. Count out loud what step you taking. >> And once you start, do not stop to completely done. >> Did you understood my instructions? >> Yes. >> Do you have any questions? >> No. >> You may begin, sir. >> Okay. >> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. Can you do it again? >> As I instructed you, sir. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Officer, is that good? >> Yes, sir. Uh, last exercise. We're almost done here. Go ahead and stand right here. >> Yes. >> Have face me. >> Shortner tries to repeat the exercise, but becomes distracted when his wife shows up to the scene. >> Belinda. Belinda, she's an attorney. >> What' you say? >> Go ahead. >> Are you ready for my instructions? >> I am. >> For the last time. >> Yeah. >> Put your feet together, your hands on your sides. For a third time, the officer tries to get Shortner to finish the field sobriety test, but he gets visibly impatient with the officer's request. >> Now, did you understood? >> Yeah. How many do you want me to count to? >> Tell till I tell to stop. Okay. >> You ready? >> All right. You may begin. >> 100,0023. >> Hands on your sides. >> 1006. >> Would that be enough? >> I told you. Tell Stop, sir. That's sufficient. Is it on? >> No, it's not. Keep going. >> How many times do you want me to do this? >> Till I tell it to stop, sir. >> 10001, 10002 100,0008. >> Are you done yet, officer? >> No, sir. Keep going, >> officer. >> Yes, sir. >> This is getting to be a interrogation. >> It's really not interrogation. >> Yes, sir. All I'm trying to do is test your ability to follow instructions. It's standardized possibility test. >> Follow your instructions multiple. >> Well, doesn't seems like it. You're >> made a determination and may go. >> Okay. So, would you finish this exercise or not, sir? >> Again, I've done it multiple times. >> Okay, cool. So, so you done here? >> I've done it. I'll do it one more time if you let me, but I will >> I want you to do the whole complete exercise. So, if you wish to continue, you got to do it. Stop. It's up to me to tell you. You don't need to follow up with a trained seal and you're acting inappropriately and being a individual that is not. >> So that is what the Nitson manual tells us to do, sir. >> How many seconds? I I don't know. >> I will let you know once you're done. >> Okay. All right. You want me to begin, sir? >> Mhm. Go ahead, sir. 10001 1002 1003 1004 1005. >> After insisting he's done everything asked of the officer, Schwartner completes the sobriety test. Next, another officer can be heard telling Schwartner he is going through a standardized process and the officers are just following protocol. >> Hey sir, sir, please just hang out over here with me for a second. >> We're just trying to follow protocol like we always do. It's a standardized thing, so it has to be the same. Not trying to treat anybody any different. It's a standardized thing. If if uh we stopped anybody from traffic to stop and their wife approach and try to like talk, that's just not my policy. We can't have people just come to the scene talking. Okay. So, as soon as we're done, by all means, yes. >> A third officer asked Schwartner if he would like to take a breathalyzer test. >> So, sir, what I have here is a preliminary breath test. What it does, it detects the presence of alcohol on your person. >> It's completely voluntary. >> It is not admissible in court, >> right? And it is not used to make any kind of arrest decision. >> Is this something that you would like to take? >> No. >> Okay. >> After he refuses, he's placed in handcuffs. >> Phil, put your hands behind your back, sir. Please. >> Okay. So, you're under arrest for driving while intoxicated. >> After being cuffed, the officers check Schwartner for weapons again. And in true Texas fashion, inside his cowboy boots. >> Is there anything inside your boots? >> No, sir. >> That would be great, man. Just just be comfortable taking me to jail. Go ahead. Step I'm step on it. Just >> really want to take my boot. >> They will take them off in jail anyway. So just go ahead and step back. I would rather take them off here than deal in jail. >> I'd rather take them off. I mean I don't mind showing them to you, but may I put my boots back on? >> Sure. >> Absolutely. No problem. >> So just those boots like have so much space on them, please. Cool. Yeah, please. Yeah. Make sure there's nothing there. You open it all >> before getting placed in the squad car. Schwartner makes a few requests. >> Is there anywhere I can go in the front? My hand cuffs in the front. No, it's just there's a policy I have to put in. But >> it's not like I'm gonna hurt you, guys. I've done so much. You guys, >> well, I appreciate it, man. I'm just doing my job. Really, not the person on. >> No, I understand. >> As the minutes pass, the arresting officer discovers who Shortner is. >> What you need this for? >> Uh, I need to call the watch commander. Why? Because that's a senator, Texas state senator. And they're in a legislative session right now. You do everything right. >> Okay. >> Everybody's treated the same right. you stop me, you're going to treat me the same, right? If I'm intoxicated, you're going to arrest me. It's the same thing. >> Inside the police car, Schwartner can be heard calmly interacting with the officer and making more requests, asking if he can ride in the front passenger seat. If the AC can be turned on and if his cuffs can be adjusted. >> All right, sir. So, I I will not be able to put it to the front. It's against policy, but I will add one extra handcuff just to give you enough space. Okay. >> Yeah, that'd be great. It's not so much the space. It's the the tightness around the left wrist. I will make sure to have so the polic is two fingers. I will make sure to tell more than that. Yeah, please go. >> Just get to the front of the vehicle, sir. >> Sir, just get to the front, please. >> Okay. So, I will add one more C to you. Okay. >> And again, poly say two fingers. This is more than three fingers space between your hands and and the cuffs. Make sense? >> I I guess so. Give me one second. Let's keep facing the vehicle, please. This is more than 2. Okay. >> I hope that's enough space to attention. >> Can you turn on the AC too again? >> Cool. I'll give him more AC. >> Yeah, thank you very much. >> No problem, sir. You guys need the seat belt. The state representative was then transported to the Travis County Jail where he was charged with driving while intoxicated. He was released the same day. The charges were later dropped in July by the Travis County District Attorney who said there was not sufficient evidence to back the charges. After his arrest, Schwartner told local reporters he was deeply apologetic and made a mistake. Once charges were dropped, the Travis County Attorney told reporters Schwartner voluntarily submitted to alcohol counseling [music] and monitoring with no violations. Meanwhile, Texas State Representative Claudio [music] released a statement following Schwartner's arrest that she had no involvement in the matter [music] other than being a passenger and was fully cooperative with authorities. She's the unemployed wife who allegedly lived off her hedge fund manager husband. And now she is accused of a horrific crime, allegedly drunk, flooring it in a $100,000 Porsche, plowing into a man who is just on a first date, grabbing some donuts. We could soon learn if this woman will be trading a luxurious lifestyle for the less glamorous decor of a prison cell. And just wait until you hear what her defense is. I'll give you a hint. Designer shoes. We're on the case presented by Law and Crime. I'm Chris Stewart. The victim in this case was allegedly hit so hard by the suspect that the person he was walking alongside didn't realize he had been thrown 30 feet into the air. That is how allegedly swift and violent this crash was. And this is the woman who is allegedly responsible. Her name is Christina Chambers. And up until the early hours of April 19th, 2023, life seemed to be pretty good for her. Chambers was married to a hedge fund manager. Now, according to Glass Door, that job on average pays between $30 and $450,000 a year. And honestly, when I looked that up, I was surprised because that feels low compared to what some of the heavy hitters in that industry make. Either way, let's face it, it's a lot of money. And apparently, it was enough money that Chambers didn't have to work. Not only did she reportedly live in a million-dollar home in Houston with her husband, he also allegedly bought her quite the ride. A $100,000 Porsche. Now, that's a sports car. It can go fast and it can do it quick. It's something that prosecutors are arguing on the night of the crash. Chambers wanted to show off to two friends who were in the back seat just how fast this car could go. On the night in question, Chambers was out with some friends. They allegedly hit up four bars. Prosecutors say the driver had at least six alcoholic drinks. Chambers wasn't just driving a nice car. She also was wearing a designer outfit, including Christian Louisboutuitton heels with their trademark red bottoms. Those can go for thousands of dollars. And I'm specifically bringing up those shoes because they allegedly play a big part in what happens next. It was in the early hours of that morning that Chambers and company decided that it was time to call it a night. So, they packed into that Porsche and they hit the road. On that same night, 33-year-old Nicholas McMullen was taking a chance on a first date. It was around 2:35 in the morning, and it sounds like that first date was going pretty well because he and the woman who he was with decided to cap off the evening with a donut. So, they're at the doughnut shop. They grab the treats, they grab the coffee, and McMullen and his date were walking back to their cars when it happened. A Porsche allegedly going more than 70 miles per hour on a city street plowed into McMullen, sending him 30 feet in the air. According to the Houston Chronicle, the woman he was on a date with says all of this happened so fast that when she turned to warn McMullen to get out of the way, he was already gone. She just remembers feeling something brush up against her hip. That's it. The 33-year-old lover of music, he worked at the University of Houston. He was pronounced dead on scene. Now, the driver of that Porsche, of course, was allegedly Christina Chambers. She was arrested about an hour after the crash. And the Chronicles reporting that medical records show that her blood alcohol level was about four times the legal limit. We're talking an hour after all of this happened, she is still allegedly four times over the legal limit. Prosecutors also say they searched the Porsche and they found little baggies of cocaine in the vehicle. Chambers was arrested. She is currently on trial for manslaughter. She was granted a $50,000 bond a week after her arrest. So, she's been free ever since she posted that bond. Days after her bond was set, her husband, the hedge fund manager, filed for divorce. That divorce was finalized in February of last year. So, look at what the prosecution has in this case. They have witnesses to this horrific crash, including the woman who was standing alongside McMullen when it happened. They also have these medical records allegedly showing that Chambers was quite drunk at the time of the crash. So, what could her defense be in this manslaughter trial? Well, it seems to center around those very expensive $1,000 designer shoes that she was wearing when she was behind the wheel. Chambers defense attorney says that her heel got stuck on the gas pedal and she could not stop the Porsche before it plowed through McMullen. Not only that, her attorney also claims that this crash happened at one of Houston's most dangerous curves, and there have been several bad crashes at this location in the past. Now, there's been a lot of legal jockeying back and forth over the last couple of years since all of this took place. The Chronicle says that both sides have tried to get evidence thrown out ahead of this trial. The defense, they filed a motion to have the purse found in the car with those baggies of cocaine in it excluded, as well as the blood test that showed her alleged level of intoxication. On the prosecutor's side, and this is interesting, they didn't want any mention that Chambers could be pregnant. Now, it's unclear if she is actually pregnant, but the defense could bring that up in a penalty phase if she is found guilty of manslaughter, according to the newspaper. It's always incredibly shocking and sad when you see stories like this one where someone's life ends just like that. And that's certainly the case of Nicholas McMullen. Now, you look at Christina Chambers side, what she's accused of, it's absolutely horrific. But when we looked her up on truthfinder.com, other than the manslaughter charge that she's currently facing, and that did come up, she's never been in trouble with the law before, but all of that obviously now has changed, and she could spend up to 20 years in prison if found guilty. Not only is this case playing out in criminal court, but McMullen's family has also filed a civil suit, which will go to trial in the spring of next year. Not only does that lawsuit blame Chambers for the crash, but it also takes aim at the bar she allegedly was at for allegedly overs serving her. And it takes aim at the portfolio manager now ex-husband who prosecutors argue bought her that Porsche, allegedly knowing that she had a drinking problem. Chambers defense attorney says that the ex-husband actually bought her that car because they were having some marital issues and it was more a gift in trying to get her forgiveness. McMullen's family wants more than a million dollars in that case, which will be decided by a jury in civil court. As far as the criminal case, again, that trial is going on right now. Chambers could be sentenced to up to 20 years in prison if she is found guilty of manslaughter. Joining us now to talk more about this is civil rights attorney Joe Richardson. It's always great to have you on Law and Crime as we're watching this trial play out in Houston. Seems like the prosecution has a pretty strong case in in my non-awyer opinion just with, you know, her level of intoxication allegedly. But she's arguing that it was the designer shoe getting hooked into the gas pedal. What do you make of that argument for her? >> The the it was a shoe defense. I I always like to use that one. No. Um, right. >> I don't know how much mileage it'll get. One of the things I think that that they did, the prosecution did that put them in a probably in a better space, they started off with manslaughter through intoxication. And what they did was they broadened it to say just manslaughter. So any and all things including her intoxification, the intoxication can lend to recklessness, speeding, all of those things are in play. So, she doesn't get to just say, um, oh, you know, it was the shoe that did it because there are reasons other than her foot that she actually was in this situation. So, what I think is it it the shoe defense probably doesn't do a whole lot because now they've got more things they've got to defeat. This is not just about her drinking, even though, you know, three, four times the legal limit is not a help, right? um they can use factors that include but are not not necessarily limited to the fact of her intoxication. And I don't know that her shoe getting stuck on the gas pedal is is going to help her particularly given some of the other testimony that'll come from even friends of hers. >> And and it sounds and and it doesn't appear that cameras are allowed in court for the trial. I'm seeing some sketches come out. Um, but just hearing from the person who was on the date with Nicholas McMullen and that she looked I mean it's just shocking to think because you know only a few people have witnessed something like this but she looked to tell him to get out of the way and he was already gone. Like that's how fast the car was apparently going. Um though her defense is arguing this was a really dangerous curve in Houston. There's been other crashes in the past. In these types of cases, how far you know you have the shoe defense. How strong is that? How strong is the defense that this was just a very dangerous street that she was driving on? >> I don't think it helps because what that means is if you know it's a dangerous street and you're familiar with it, that means you shouldn't be taking it at 70 mph or 80 mph. Um, you have to drive typically there might be a speed limit. First of all, she I'm sure she was killing the speed limit. Yeah, >> pardon the expression. But you're also not supposed to drive faster than it's safe. So, if it's 35 miles an hour, but it's raining, for instance, or it's snowing or it's slippery or there's a crowd of people, then 35 might not be the most safe uh speed to drive at. So, it still doesn't take away her obligation to do what she needs to do because it's a dangerous curve. If that's the case, >> I don't know how much of this would be brought in for trial, but certainly for uh on the civil side of things, is accusations that she was an alcoholic or she was someone that regularly went out drinking in this case, the blood alcohol level being three, four times the legal limit. I mean, that's significant. How does the history because if you're talking about a specific moment that something happens and what caused that moment to happen, how does somebody's history, if she was someone that went out to have drinks fairly often or had a good amounts of drink, was known to drink or get drunk, how could that past factor into what played out in that specific moment on that road? >> There's a couple things. First of all, when you're talking about negligence, um, you know, the key to negligence is for foreseeability. Um, you could foresee for drinking, for speeding, etc. Not only do you have a duty, but it's foreseeable that you not doing what you need to do in this regard could get somebody hurt. That's one particular thing. That's one way that it that it plays in. And it might, of course, make a jury less sympathetic. seeing that ahead of time, it makes the case more likely to get resolved at a higher level. The other thing, now this varies state-to-state. I don't know if because the divorce is happening, I don't want us to get ahead of ourselves. Um, that there's an argument that there's less money available, sometimes with intentional conduct, you can't BK a judgment out or away. And so, and it might be in a certain case, she may say, "Well, you know, I can I can BK this out, but based on this conduct, if we've got intentional conduct, um, you know, grossly negligent, but, you know, beyond regular negligence sometimes in certain states, I'm not sure how Texas does it, you couldn't discharge it in bankruptcy because it's intentional conduct." So, it might that's off in the back off in the backdrop somewhere, but it might play into that. um as well >> on the criminal side. Um just was thinking about this because you know again she was driving 70 miles per hour on a road I mean in Houston if you ever been the traffic's horrific so it's like no one's ever going 70 mph in Houston. I know it was 2:30 in the morning when this happened. So she's on a road that you you know blasting through the speed limit. She is uh you know you have the the medical records that showed that she was drunk at the time that all of this happened. I mean, that seems like such a strong case, and I know that there was a lot of back and forth leading into the trial. Are you surprised that this actually went to trial instead of her finding some sort of deal? >> Yes and no. Because it seems like to me she would be looking for a deal. She ought to be hot to try looking for a deal. Uh because these facts aren't particularly good. Uh but at the same time maybe the prosecution goes in not so generous in terms of offering the deal because they feel pretty confident that they can convict her particularly once they broadened the manslaughter charge. So it might be a situation where you know this is really conscience shocking and you know you've got this poor guy that's on his first date and he literally is removed from the person next to him. Um and everybody can see this coming. her friends got her, you know, got her as an alcoholic. She [snorts] she puts the pedal to the metal, particularly with this new car and all these other things. Prosecution might say, "We're not going to give you a whole lot here." >> Yeah. And and I think too, if she's found guilty, it's in Texas, this the sentence could be between two and 20 years, which is a a very wide range uh when it comes to manslaughter. And there's this other part that the Houston Chronicles reporting that there was the prosecution wanted to put back push back on any I guess suggestion that she might be pregnant, but it's unclear if she is pregnant. But if she is, that that's something that the defense could use in a penalty phase. How could that argument impact how many years she could get in prison if she is found guilty? >> Well, if I'm her and I'm found guilty, if I'm her tame, I'm absolutely going to be able to want to say that she's pregnant. She's she she's gotten into a program. She's not drinking. She hasn't drunk drank in a certain period of time. Now, she's pregnant. So, she needs to be there for her child. And so, therefore, you know, uh they're going to ask for as lenient a sentence as possible. If not, I don't know even if the two years is necessarily mandatory or if the two years can be served in house arrest or or something like that. I'm absolutely going to use that and take that for a spin because I'm going to say that this child, this innocent child shouldn't have their mother away for 10, 20 years of wish she'd have to do 10. She would miss her childhood, etc., etc. And I know each state and certainly each judge, I mean, we've seen sometimes or sentences you're like, whoa, this judge wasn't messing around. And then there's other cases where a judge makes a decision and everybody's like, that's it. But when you're looking at two to 20 years, what typically factors into like in a case like this where it doesn't appear she has a criminal record. I didn't even find uh any previous DUIs that she had. Um so it seems like this is her first runin with the law. And if that's the case, how does that factor into just how long compared to other manslaughter cases where you might see someone get 20 years where just as we're sitting back here looking at this if she's found guilty and of course she could be found innocent. We don't know. How long do you think that she could get behind bars? >> Yeah, you've got both aggravating and mitigating factors, right? You would think you would think that a big mitigating factor would be that she hasn't gotten in trouble before. But if the evidence suggests that really she could have gotten in trouble and should have gotten in trouble, um you know, because she's been doing this for a long time, um apparently she told the social worker that she drinks has four or five drinks two or three times a week where this was just a ticking time bomb. it might make her a little bit less sympathetic. But my first inclination will probably be uh under these particular circumstances that maybe um it's middle towards lower end. Um particularly if most people in her circumstances convicted for their first crime get middle to lower end even though there are some aggravating factors here. When a penalty is listed as a 2 to 20year prison sentence, if someone's found guilty of it, does that mean they will have to go to prison for at least two years if she's found guilty? >> That would be the the recommendation. And now we're kind of going a state-to-state thing, which could be specific. And you know, w- which could be very particular. And you know, states are a little bit different in that um whereas on the federal side, you're going to do 80 85% of your time, that's not going to happen in the state. So, for instance, in California, if somebody got two years in prison, they might be allowed to do it in county jail. Most of the time, you if you get a year or more, you're going to prison. If you get a year or less, you can do county jail. If she got 2 years, there's an argument that she might be able to actually do it in county jail because you do half the time. So the question becomes if she's going to do all of that time or most of that time and she gets actually 2 years um does she actually have to go away as it were or or could she do something softer um you know halfway house um uh um you know uh in in custody at home home confinement you know those types of things. So, there's some state specific things, but she's I I think I can say that she's better off dealing with this in a state case than she is in a federal case. >> Uh, she was reportedly unemployed at the time. Her husband seemed to make a good amount of money working at hedge funds, portfolio management, kind of the finance world. He files for divorce. This happened in April, early May. He's filing for divorce. I know that was final. This is 2023. It's finalized in 2024. um if he's the guy with the money and she is being sued by the family of the victim and he's been named in that lawsuit for allegedly buying her the car. um though they say she had a joint account like does the divorce protect him at all from I guess his financial liability >> under these facts it doesn't sound like it would um because the question is what was the status at the time of the incident time of the incident you're not divorced sometimes on the family law uh side of things there's uh there's marriage to separation not necessarily to divorce if there's no separation then theoretically you're on the hook and also that assumes that he can be on the hook to the extent that she can be. It doesn't sound like to me they're talking about him being listed as a registered owner. State of California, there's liability for a registered owner, but limited liability for a registered owner. They're saying she's li he's liable because he bought the car. It happened with his money. Depending on how likely that is. If that's not the most likely scenario, then perhaps that's used um or spin it around. If it's more likely that he could be on the hook because he's the pocket, then maybe that's used to ramp up what would be paid out. But to the extent there's gray area about whether or not he actually can be liable, even though he theoretically could be for being married, I don't think the separation of the divorce helps him. Might be some other factors that's going to affect the calculus because he's the one with the money. And on that note, and I'm not sure how much, you know, what the the breakdown was of who got what in the divorce, but let's just say um they finalized this divorce. She doesn't take anything. She doesn't take anything. He takes all the money. He has all the assets in his name. Um and as far as her being sued, I know the family's going for more than a million dollars. If without him, she doesn't have any money. Uh and and a jury would rule in her or in the the victim's family's favor. Like, how would that factor into the family getting money if she doesn't have any without him? Well, you know what we always like to say in the plaintist world to be perfectly honest is it's about where the pocket is, where the money is. There should be some insurance somewhere, right? And for someone with those kinds of means, they should have probably a good amount of insurance where there's a question as to whether that the carrier would pay. Now, this becomes a whole lesson in bad faith, which we're not necessarily talking about, which we didn't come here to talk about. But the more likely that carrier would have to pay out potentially. They're going to be more likely to do it now as opposed to doing it later. So, if I for instance am the wife and I think that the coverage ought to pay out and the coverage is saying that they don't want to pay out, she could actually give the people that are suing her the right to come after the carrier for not doing that. So, whatever brings the carrier to the table, if it's a lower insurance policy limit, they're probably going to pay it out anyway. But they want a pound of flesh and they believe that the husband has resources. So, the more likely that that would happen, um the more likely that is to happen, the more likely that affects the calculus in terms of what gets paid out and by whom. >> I know that the uh the civil it'll be slated to be civil jury trial in April of next year, I believe. Um and then obviously right now she's she's currently on trial. How does the verdict in the criminal case impact how the civil case could play out? >> Well, that certainly means that she would be found liable, for sure. But the question is, if he's the pocket and she doesn't have access to the money, how will it affect him? That issue hasn't been resolved. I'll give you 10 to one. If there's gray area about whether or not his funds should be going towards this or whether or not [snorts] he can be liable, he himself, he will file a a dispositive motion on the issue to try to get himself off the hook. And to the extent that that's more likely or less likely, that affects the calculus of what he might be doing. So they are going to want a pound of flesh here from someone that potentially has resources. Any other time you're just going to the insurance, okay? And so we'll see what happens. The criminal trial certainly kind of seals her fate because really even if she gets off on the criminal trial, she's absolutely going to be civily liable. I don't think there's any way around that. The question is, and it's a separate question that's not resolved here, whether or not he would be found cons uh criminally civily liable, particularly if there's an issue with access to the funds based on the divorce. And >> and all this took place in 2023. Here we are in 2025 and it's kind of all coming to fruition. 2026 is when the civil trial is going to play out. Not only is she being sued, the husband, um you also have the bars that she allegedly went to that night. They served her drinks. she got to that, you know, roughly 4% 3% 4% above the legal limit. Um, or times the legal limit, excuse me. Um, just lastly, how long could a civil trial like that go? Considering there are so many people that have been sued, >> it could take years because everybody that's been sued is probably going to take a shot at a dispositive motion. They're going to take a shot at getting out of the case. How it normally ends is that people get together, figure out their coverages as it pertains to the bars. Sometimes it's hard to get bars unless it's clear that this person is totally inebriated and you absolutely should not have served them. Not sure if Texas does it any little bit any differently or whatever else. So, but most of the time happens people with coverage come together and they say we'll pay off this or they might sue each other. They could sue each other for indemnity and you know those types of things, contribution, comparative negligence. And typically whoever is going to be the most liable typically steps towards the front. And there's some coverage that comes from here, some coverage that comes from here, and some coverage that comes from here. But there has to be some haggling and some going back and forth to figure out what the likelihoods of liability for each of them are. And then they kind of decide from there. >> And we'll see how it plays out. Certainly the civil side of it, the criminal side, uh, currently playing out in court, uh, down in Houston. Joe Richardson, civil rights attorney. Always great to have you on Law Crime. Thanks for breaking this one down for us. >> Thanks much. Appreciate it. See you, Chris. >> Oh, damn. >> Can you get in there? >> I screamed and apolog But but didn't nobody didn't nobody respond. Hey, is anybody in there? >> Got a baton. >> Somebody's in there. Just go and jump. Long 1488 summers in there. They're in there. >> Yeah, we need to get this. Get that baton. >> Hey, I'll bust this. Uh, >> here. >> Oh jeez. >> Yeah. Going out >> here. Push forward. >> Everybody watch your little heads. >> I can see one for sure. I don't know. know there's at least one occupant in the vehicle. >> Hey, someone over there. >> Come on. Come on. Come on. >> Hey, come on. Get out. >> Wake up. >> Break the windshield. Hey, give me that baton. Come on. We got to move. >> Let me know when you're ready. Grab it. Hey, we got him. Pull him out. Come on. Come on. Get him. >> Get him out of here. >> You the only one. >> I got him. Is he the only one? >> I don't see anyone else. >> No one. >> No. That's it. That's it. Listen. >> All right. Let's get him out. Let's get him out. Let's get him out. Pull him back. Pull him back. GO LEFT. GO LEFT. >> Pull him left. Walk left. Come on. Go. Go. Go. Grab that. Grab this. Move. Go. I'm good. Just move. You >> got him. >> Here. Pass him. Pass. >> Come on. >> Careful. Careful. >> Ready. Over there. Come on out of here. Go. That's a gun. >> That's a gun. >> That's a gun. >> Move. >> Just put him on the ground in the grass right here. >> Where I'm stepping on traffic, >> don't walk up to my car, please. Don't walk up to my car, please. Hey, man. You can't drive in the parking lot like that. Got your uh driver's license insurance. Any weapons in the car I need to worry about? >> Did you catch my traffic? >> Yes, sir. I have you on your >> Robert John Lincoln 4732. Robert John Lincoln 472. >> Sorry. >> 1441 65 88 141 65 88. Is there any particular reason why you felt you needed to come through the parking lot like that? >> I didn't think I did anything wrong. I just came over to get gas. >> You were speeding and you cut through parking spaces. You know you can't do that. >> It's just going to be confirmed on Robert. >> I didn't think I was anything, man. I'm just >> I mean, you was coming to get gas. >> Yep. Oh, are we going to go back and forth or you just going to >> You asked me a question. You want me to answer it or not? I'm not >> Okay. If anything, I thought I was going even slower than normal. >> No, normally people don't even park where you park and that's the direct path to the gas pumps >> through the parking spaces is the direct >> I I do realize that I I know that there's parking spaces there. >> You almost hit that car that was turning right there. I was watching, man, soon as you cut in front of me like that, I was like looking and I watched it happen. So >> I come here every day. There's almost never ever ever anybody. You were sitting there this morning. Now, uh last week for about 3 days, someone was parking there. But if I come here 365 days a year, which I do, there's someone sitting there maybe 10 times. So, there's never ever a car there. So, yeah, I go through there cuz it's the straight path from the entryway to here, which is what you're going to see everybody else do. But, I mean, you know, I hear you, man. I I got it. To you, it looked like I was going fast. To me, I thought I was going even slower than normal cuz I didn't want to get too close to you. Okay, sit tight for one second. You fill up your bar. Go ahead and fill up your car. Okay. So, >> I'm not kidding you either, man. I come here every day, dude. I'm not >> I send pictures of my wife the price of the gas here every day when I come through. >> Okay, look. >> So, here here's the deal, man. >> I'm not going to go back and forth and all that. I'm not going to write you tickets, but the only reason I'm not writing you tickets is cuz I'm out of tickets right now. >> Okay. Otherwise, you would be receiving a citation >> for what? We did the citation. I'm just >> disregarding traffic control device >> on private property. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Still, you still can't do that. It's still illegal. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, I'm not going to write your ticket. Um, I >> I hear you, man. I'm I'm understand. >> I don't One, I don't appreciate the attitude. >> Two, I get it. You're upset. Nobody likes cops pulling them pulling up on them. Nobody likes it. Okay. But you know you did wrong. You know you're not supposed to cut through the park and instead of being like, "Oh yeah, I messed up. Sorry. It won't happen again." You want to sit here and go back and forth with me, >> right? >> There's a lot better things than this to be doing for you. >> You're right. I was working on it. >> You can be over here and I mean there's people right now running on the you want to go to jail. So >> you want to go to jail? You can go to jail for this. >> You can do what you want to do. I can't stop. >> I don't want to take you to jail. >> That's that is definitely a waste of my time. Okay. But the attitude is not necessary. >> I agree. >> That's on your part, sir. I haven't been rude to you at all. >> Okay. That's fine. I have a camera on. I can't be rude to you. >> Okay. >> All right. >> I will get in trouble. You go file a complaint based on my behavior. They will decide whether or not to get me in trouble. Right me up. >> Yeah. I'm not worried about that. We're good, man. >> Okay. All right. Well, I'll make sure that I'm there all the time. If I see it happen again, then >> Okay. >> We'll go from there. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. >> I'll look that law up on property, too. I don't believe you have the authority to do anything here on this on this parking lot like that. I could also take you to jail for class B reckless driving >> or class I'm sorry, class A reckless driving because you did almost hit that car. >> I didn't almost hit anybody. I was nowhere near. There's there's cameras everywhere. You can do what you want to do, Harold. I can't stop you. If you want to be this way, then that's up to you. I'm trying to be reasonable person. >> Having a bad day, sir. Is there a reason why you're acting? >> I'm having a bad day because I raised my voice because you're doing this to me. >> Have I raised my voice to you at all, sir? You're the only one who's getting upset. >> I'm upset because I think this is big. I think this whole thing is ridiculous. I think it's ridiculous. >> What do you specifically do you think is ridiculous? >> That we're even talking about nothing happened and here we are talking and you're threatening to take me to jail. >> And so I shouldn't be getting upset. >> I don't call it a threat, sir. >> No, it's a threat. It's a That is a threat. You're threatening me under law now that to take something on property, which I don't believe you even have the authority to do. But now, sir, it comes from black law. No, it's not. class A misdemeanor for you to threaten to arrest me over something that you know it's not really true. But that's okay. >> What's the penal code on that, sir? >> Trust me. That's okay. >> Trust you. >> Okay. >> I I We're good. >> Trust you. >> We're good. >> I don't feel like we are. I feel like this is uh this is this is a problem. >> I feel like you're going to continue to to commit these behaviors that are unsafe and put people at risk. for something that's possible they may do in the future. So now now we're playing John Club Vanam future cop and you're you need to stop me from something I may do in the future. That's now your position. You're feeling like you should take action cuz maybe sometime in the future I might possibly continue to do something. Come on. >> What is the law designed to do, sir? >> Oh, I know you want to stop people. I know you want voluntary compliance. >> Put your hands on two shirt, a white shirt, sand pants, black hat. The other male is going to be black shirt, black fitting pants. >> We'll do this a different way then on my left. I I'm well I mean I don't Would you like two sets of handcuffs? >> No. My head hurts. >> Okay, we can do two sets of >> handcuffs. God, >> I know we can do two sets of handcuffs. >> Cannot believe you're doing this. >> Well, sir, I'm concerned that you're going to continue to do this unsafe behavior. So, >> res has no water. Okay. >> You want two sets of handcuffs? >> This hurts, man. It hurts. >> I can do two sets of handcuffs. You want >> I cannot believe that you're doing this, dude. >> Well, I mean, it it didn't have to go this way. >> No, it never did. None of this ever had needed to happen. I don't believe I disagree with you. >> Okay, I know. >> What would you have me do with your car? You want to call somebody or uh or or do I tell it? Did we really need to use either rock? >> I mean the the the I didn't think we did. >> I didn't think we did either. Shock, man. >> Okay. But I mean, you you wanted to sit here and argue with me about what I observed with my own eyes. Okay. I'll go get a copy of the video. >> I didn't think we were close, Darl, at all. I didn't close the white vehicle. Yes. You even know what truck I was talking about. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what You didn't think we were closer. I really didn't. >> No, you were very close. They had to slam on their brakes. I watched it happen. Okay. You came flying through the parking lot. Okay. So, what are we going to do about the park? >> You didn't think I was more on that. >> You You certainly were, sir. You definitely were. Okay. You definitely were. Okay. So, what are we going to do with the car? I don't want to tow it cuz that's that that'd be being a real dick and I'm I'm trying not to be the dick. Okay. What would you like me to do with the car, sir? >> I'm going to ask one more time and then I'm going to have to have a toast. >> Can we back this down, dude? Can we cool off here, please? I'm sorry. I will. You have forced my hand at this point because if I don't go and and and see this through to its conclusion, I know you're going to go to the police department and file a complaint on me. Now, the complaint's not going to do anything because I have it all on video. Everything is recorded. I don't talk to anyone in the public unless I have my camera on. Okay? >> I'm not going to go blame to Errol at all. I'm just a little upset because I I really honestly >> Sir, I watched it happen. >> I was working on a report. I definitely have better things to say. >> I didn't think that I did anything. Hell, I didn't think I did anything. >> A lot of people don't think that, >> but I explained it to you and then you wanted to argue with me >> because I didn't think I did anything, Caroline. I still >> I know I look young. This is not my first day on the job, sir. I promise. >> Nothing to do with any of that. I didn't think I did anything. >> You almost tried that white truck. >> I agree with you that that's what you think, then there's nothing I can do to change your >> be on the cameras. I'm going to get copies of it. >> I didn't think I did anything that was frustrating for me to try to explain to you that I didn't think that I did anything and you're not hearing me. >> I hear you, sir. I disagree with you. So, what do we want to do with the truck or with the car? >> I'll have to call my wife, I guess. >> Okay. Well, let's call her. Where's your phone? >> It's uh you know Well, it's in my pocket. I just got through sending her the message about the >> Okay. Well, how about I'm going to give you another set of handcuffs cuz like I said, I understand if you got Hold on. Let me stick this thing right here. >> What am I being arrested for, Harold? >> Disregarding traffic control device cuz a reckless driving charge is a much much higher charge. And again, like I said, I don't want to be that big of a dick. Lean forward for me just a little bit. Get your phone out. >> Any firearms in the car? I need to know about anything like that. >> Not I don't do anything. >> Okay. Well, it's not illegal to have a firearm, sir. >> True. >> I have multiple ones in >> I understand. various parts. Can you loosen this one, please? >> We can. >> Hey, I need you to come over here and get somebody to come pick up my car over here at Bies in Texas City. Texas City officer over here. Can you repeat the last name? >> I know. So I my car is going to be you'll find it over here. I don't know if >> so. >> Yeah, I guess so. And then you I don't Well, >> I'll speak to we'll take I'll give her a call if you want to. >> I don't Yeah, I don't know what I need you to You're going to have to cover work. >> Okay. All right. Uh, hey, I'm going to leave this phone in the car so that you can uh get called. Okay. And then I I don't know what how we're going to handle that. So, I'll get my other phone. I might have one in custody. I got over here for I'll take care of >> There's another phone right there. >> I'll get it. I'll take care of it. We'll put we'll put another one on so you back. Make it so don't tighten. Okay. Have a seat. So, you want this phone left in the car and the other phone coming with you? >> Yes, sir. >> Where's it at? You'll see park 133. Yeah. >> He came So I was sitting I was sitting right there and he came through the parking lot and cut through all the spaces and he came through so fast >> and whooped into here and there was a white truck. The white truck had to slam on its brakes. So I come over here. I was just going to be like, "Hey man, chill out." Like chill out. Don't be like that. But he wanted to go back and forth and argue with me and give me all kinds of stuff. And like I didn't have any tickets and I didn't grab a rider this morning. So I was like, "Man, look this doesn't have to go this way." He kept going back and forth and back and forth. So I was like, "All right, turn around. Let's go." >> All right. You got >> Yeah. I was I was going to be I'm a dick, but I'm not going to be that big of a dick. He has a different phone he wanted me to grab. >> On gate. I'm not find anything on gate. I would have come straight up here. Uh, it happens. >> 46. Where's the other phone at? I can't find it. >> Right in the next to the parking brake lever in the the center. Should be sitting there. Hold on. Let me look. >> Blue. Blue phone. >> Blue phone. >> It should be just sitting vertical by the >> Okay. >> It's It's blue. >> Yes, sir. >> Serious is going to be Richard. This guy's going to be his middle name. >> I'm I don't I don't I don't know this guy at all. I don't know anything about him. >> But he he want kept wanting to go back and forth back and forth and argue. And I was like, if I had a ticket book, I'd have just written him a ticket. You have a rider? >> Uh, I have uh paper tickets. >> You have paper tickets? That's what I grab. >> Okay. Okay. I'm going to do this a different way. So, the other officer has a ticket book he's going to let me use. You're going to receive be receiving a citation. Okay. And uh cuz I think going to jail is a bit excessive. But well, I agree with you, but I didn't have another option. I don't have another ticket book and I don't have a ticket writer with me. So, we're going to do it that way. Okay. >> Step out for me. >> Take your time. >> Tighten up. >> Oh my god. Loosen that. presses that star motorcycle. I can drive again. Yeah, I'm glad >> 40. Can you pull me? >> 2470. 2470. Is it 585 for uh here? No, that's there. That's this one for the uh No, the address here. I think it's uh 50 tanger >> 6201. >> Yeah. It's a good address for you. What's a good phone number for you? >> 713 6680500. >> That's where he is. Give me a second. Heat. Heat. Good. >> Good. >> Just be advising date night. Hey, record Great board table is no longer in custody. >> Okay, I see you sign here. It's not admission guilt. >> Mr. Schol is no longer in custody. It's not admission guilt. It's just a promise of contact honorable report. the date and time that's written on here. You contact the court at the bottom here. The information is there and also up there. Ready to go, sir. >> Thank you, sir. You sir. 451. I'm right here. I'll take it for you. Please traffic 4539. Turn on the right. around California. [music] people You want to keep it right now. He's jumping the fence back over here. Go over there. I got it. I got it. Got it. [music] >> I'm the unit commander of Green Bay unit, one of four jails in the Taran County confinement system. We are 5 acres under roof. This facility is the largest single level jail in the state right now. I love working in confinement. I've been in confinement for about 16 years. You doing all right? >> Yeah. >> You're laughing, man. You liking it or loving it or what? >> I'm loving it, man. I'm just I'm waiting to get out, man. >> You wait. Have you been you been to court yet? >> No, they they uh they canceled it, man. They can't find the victim. So >> Oh, >> you got lucky then, huh? >> Yeah. >> All right. You kind of become a counselor. It takes a lot to deal with these type of inmates. >> Hey, that's kind of dangerous. Yeah, I know. But you could hurt yourself and that's my concern. All right. Don't be doing that. Please. >> If it is possible, as much as it depends on you, live peaceibly without me. >> Are you going to try to change some of these guys? >> I try to do everything. >> So, do y'all listen to what he says? >> Yeah. all the time. There >> you go. Are y'all going to take it for heart right now and use it when you get out? >> I think that's a good thing. Let me see your new tattoo. Hey, don't be shy. I'm This ain't my first barbecue. I know. When did you do that? Here in here days ago. >> Oh, brand new, huh? What you doing, man? You got to earn your right now that you're in jail. You got to get a tattoo here. >> I ain't like that. >> Go to the store where it's cleaner, man. You know, you can catch something doing that. >> Then why do you do it? Why are we in here? You need to influence that one a little bit more. All right. >> Good afternoon everybody. How's it going? >> While I was walking around today, I did see a fresh tattoo in 41 Franco1. We're going to be doing a shakeddown right after briefing. SRT guys, please report over there. Uh we're going to do the surprise on them. Go in, pull them away from their bunks, get them on one side, escort them to the gym. I think they got a tattoo needle in there. Remember, be careful how we pat down. Do not want to get stuck with one of those needles. All right, let's go to work. Call SC. Give my heads up so we can go boom boom right through the doors and go through. [music] >> Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. >> All right. Up front. Up front. Here. Hey. Hey. Hey, guys. Over here. Over here. [music] >> Against the wall. Against the wall. We won't mess with your stuff. I promise. ID in your hand, sir. >> ID and shoes. Let's roll. Let's roll. Make sure we're down inside here. Get down here at the back. >> Thank y'all. Thank y'all. Come on [music] out. Got one. I think we found a blade that they've hide hidden in here. See if we can see it. There it is right there. Be careful. Make sure you use something to pull that out. Don't use your finger. Okay. See if we can find a pin or something. You got it. >> Yeah. >> Good. This right here melted on the end of a pin is something that they use to cut people with. Good job. >> You found another item >> here, sir. >> Okay. See if you can pull it out again. Be careful. Be careful. [music] Be careful. Here we go. Another one. >> Found the tattoo ink. >> You got it. There it is. That's the tattoo ink right there. This is a big find. If we have this, we have a needle somewhere, guys. We got to find it. This is the guy's bump. You guys found it. Found it. Um, they taken the ball point out of a pin. >> What' y'all guys find? >> We found it. We found it. >> Lookie here. There it is. >> I knew it. I knew it. >> The needle was actually This was stuck in the bottom of the bunker. We found this in the crate itself. So, >> good job. Good job. Got the pad. Got the ink. Got the needle. And we got the tattoo that he had. This right here will match up with his arm. We're going to pull that individual aside and we're going to talk to him and we're going to have all this. He's just going to have to say, "Well, yeah, I did it." He does not have any choice. Right back. What's happening? >> Why do you think I have you here? >> Because I was doing something illegal. >> You're doing something illegal? >> Mhm. >> Stand up here. Talk to me, man. >> Let me see your tat. So, who's the guy doing this to you? >> I just don't want to put I'm not like that kind of a person to put somebody into trouble when it was my decision. Then, >> you're not putting him in trouble. I'm trying to prevent others from getting into trouble also. Okay. We're trying to prevent this from being spread. And how do I know you're telling me the truth? >> Now, you know how many times I've been told that? >> What? >> I've been lied to my whole life. I >> understand. You tell me. Why do I need to lie to you? What's What's the gain to me? I just want you to work with me. You know, I'm trying to make this this experience that you're going through jail as easy as possible for you. That's all I'm trying to do. And I don't want you to be injured. Your safety is my concern. Your health is my concern. And I don't want you to hurt yourself. You know, >> that's what I don't want. I already got the stuff out of there. I have nothing to gain. What does that look? >> That's your design. Let me look at your arm. >> Wow. That matches pretty good, don't it? Sure does lead up to you. stupid. [screaming] >> Oh my god. >> A police chase ends in a shootout [music] after a suspect allegedly steals a U-Haul truck and runs from police, [music] crashing into multiple vehicles along the way. >> Wrecked out. Just wrecked out. Hit one vehicle. Let's get somebody checking out. Dallas police released the body and dash camera video on Friday stemming from a July 25th incident near the Dallas Love Field Airport. At about 11:00 that morning, officers began following a stolen U-Haul. The driver was identified as 41-year-old Ryan Taylor. Got it. Delta >> 581, they just turned on finesse. It's >> going to be an act of soul. >> Officials say when they first attempted to pull Taylor over, he intentionally backed into a truck, pushing it into a nearby fire hydrant, causing the airbags to go off. Dash camera video shows the officers follow Taylor as he drives off. 5 years ago. >> Westbound Vaness. >> Going westbound on Vaness towards Marsh Lake. Just >> northbound on Post. >> Just turned northbound on Post. Taylor leaves what appears to be a residential neighborhood and enters the Dallas North Tollway. You chase 10. >> That's when video first captures Taylor crash into several other vehicles as he attempts to outrun police. He rammed a cover vehicle. >> As the chase continues, Taylor rams into nearby vehicles along the tollway. What? Dang it. Delta 581, we're about to be going under Northwest Highway on DN. Looks like one of their back tires is going to give out. >> Which one? >> My side. >> They're still southbound on Dallas. I got more swans coming up. >> We just crossed over Inwood. I think it's in water lovers. >> I have no idea. >> You have se >> Yeah. >> Coming up mocking bird. >> We're coming up to the mocking bird exit. >> Your call has been updated. >> He's hitting so many. >> Your call has been updated. Yeah, I'll just kind of stay back a little bit. >> Yeah. Where are we at? Still going southbound on DNT. >> If somebody can get me that plate so I can put the registration info on there. >> I don't have. >> We need to notify the tow of what kind of vehicle, etc. >> 461 you all. >> Okay. Thank you. Think call is holding. >> He's with us. >> Philadelphia 08 68. [screaming] >> What is this exit? >> Eventually, Taylor approaches an exit. Officers follow. We're in the exit waiting for Yl Cliff. Just took the Y Cliff exit. >> Your call has been updated. >> Going to be going westbound at 2500 White Cliff coming up to me. >> Dash camera video then shows the U-Haul narrowly mishitting a speeding bus. Please don't up, sir. Don't do anything stupid. Oh my god. >> 5 minutes later, the chase is still ongoing, only coming to a stop after Taylor crashes the U-Haul after hitting a handful of more vehicles. >> Wrecked out. Just wrecked out. Hit one vehicle. Let's get somebody check him out. Video then shows a responding officer, Kenan Craraven, jump out of his squad car and chase after Taylor on foot after running into a nearby private airport hanger. >> 6700 limit is the last address I got. Get the police. Officer Craraven yells for Taylor to stop where he is. Instead, Taylor fires multiple shots. Seconds later, the officer opens fire. >> POLICE STOP. >> Officials say Officer Craraven shot Taylor in the leg. He can be heard calling for Taylor to show his hands. >> SHOTS FIRE. [screaming] SHUT THE GUN. Shut the gun. [screaming] Show me your hands. SHOW ME YOUR HANDS. >> HE THEN calls for Taylor to crawl forward and show HIS HANDS. >> CRAWL OUT HERE. >> CRAWL OUT HERE. [screaming] >> Crawl out here. >> LAND YOUR STOMACH. LAY ON YOUR STOMACH. PUT YOUR ARMS OUT. DO NOT MOVE. >> Help me. >> Do not move. >> Got hands. >> Show me your hands. >> Hands. >> Ready. >> Ready. >> Don't Don't rush it. >> WHERE'S THE GUN? >> WHERE'S THE GUN? >> IT'S BACK HERE. behind him. >> All right, CRAWL FORWARD TOWARDS US. >> Crawl towards us. >> Keep coming. >> After Taylor was taken into custody, he was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment. Officials also recovered a handgun from the scene that had previously [music] been reported missing. Taylor now faces multiple charges, including aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and evading arrest in a vehicle. The officer involved shooting is now under investigation by the Dallas Police Special Investigations [music] Unit [snorts] >> in the parking lot. >> Yep. >> Wait. Hey, how you doing, man? Hey, come here real quick. >> Hey. Hey. Hey. Get away from the truck. Get away from the truck. Problem with anybody. Get away from the truck. Excuse me. I don't have a problem. Excuse me. I don't have a problem with you. I didn't >> Get away from the truck. Excuse me. Who are you? Excuse me. Who are you? Excuse me. Who are you? >> I don't want any problems. >> You going to come out? Are you going to come out? >> I don't want any problems. >> Go sit on the tailgate. >> Give me Give me some space. >> Can you do that for me? Can you go sit on the tailgate? >> I don't want any problems. Okay. >> Go sit on the tailgate. >> But go sit on the tailgate. >> Citizen. I wasn't even told what you guys What is going on? I was not told what was going on at all. >> If you don't get on, just come out. >> What was going on? What's going on, dude? >> Hey, I'm breaching. What is going on? Huh? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? Please do not kidnap me. Please. reason I keep having >> I don't want to be I'm going to I'm going to tase you. Okay. >> I don't want to be tased. I don't want to let go of me. Let go of me. Okay. I'm not I'm not I'm not texting you. I'm not doing anything. >> Why? I'm not My hands are up. >> My hands are up, buddy. I don't want I'm not doing anything. Okay. >> I'm out. >> Okay. >> I'm out. Have him drive. >> Hey. Hey. >> I'm out. No. Put Put a cuff on him. >> I didn't do anything. >> Put Put one cuff on him. >> What are you doing? Why are you cuffing me? What's going on? Why are you handcuffing me? >> Why? What's going on? What's going on? Get on the ground. >> I'm on the ground. Why? What am I doing? >> On the ground. >> You happy? What do you want? >> I don't even know what's going on. >> Somebody help me. >> We don't know what's going on with you either, but you obviously need some help. >> What did I do? What's your name, dude? I'm not being Hey, what's your name? >> James Rose. >> James, >> did you take any kind of drugs or something, James? >> No. Is there a problem? What are you doing? >> You okay? >> Yeah, I'm good. >> Got a set of keys, man. >> Got a camera in right there. >> James, do you know where you're at? >> No, I don't. I know where you I know who you are. I know where I'm at with >> My name's David. James, >> my hands hurt. >> I know you got a little cut on your hand. Okay, James, >> what did I do? What's >> Are you on your side? I don't understand what the problem is. >> Hey man, you're fighting. >> I'm not biting right here. >> I never did anything to anybody. I was never We're following breaking news in a mansion mystery in Texas. [music] A mom accused of attempting to drown her three children after giving them Nyquil is now facing felony charges. This is per KPRC TV in Houston. Jessica Kintana has been recovering in the hospital ever since the morning of September 29th when the bizarre case first broke. I'll tell you what police are now unveiling about what allegedly happened at that mansion as her husband has been barred from seeing the kids that she allegedly tried to drown. We're on the case presented by Law and Crime. I'm Chris Stewart. [music] This is a huge development in what has been a complete mystery in Texas. Jessica Canana is now facing three felony charges. She's been in the hospital since September 29th, but now she is headed back to Liberty County, Texas, outside of Houston, where she will be in the county jail. Friday, authorities in Liberty County charged the 39-year-old Jessica Kintana with two counts of injury to a child causing bodily injury and one charge of assault causing bodily injury. Those are all felonies. There is so much that has made this story bizarre. And bizarre is the word that law enforcement used to describe what they saw on September 29th at this massive mansion in a rural part of Texas. Now, before I get into what could happen now to Domingo Kintana, he's the husband, as well as the couple's three kids. They are still in state custody. Let's talk about what happened on September 29th. It was a Monday. Canana, the dad, called 911 from that multi-million dollar mansion located on that massive plot of land in Liberty County that's more than an hour away from Houston. and you're going to have four kids all night quill multiple bottles on scene. >> That's the radio chatter per broadcastify. According to law enforcement, Kintana called 911 saying that his wife Jessica took their three children down to a pond on their property and she was allegedly trying to hurt the kids. Initially, it was reported that the 39year-old woman was giving her kids Nyquil, but deputies haven't confirmed that, but we did hear it on the radio. Deputies say when they arrived, Domingo Kintana, Jessica's husband, was wet. It appeared that he had pulled his three children from the water. Their ages are 6, 11, and 15. His wife, again, her name Jessica Canana, 39 years old. She was still in the water. Deputies pulled her from the pond. She and the 11-year-old were airlifted to a Houston hospital. The other two children were taken to the hospital as well. All four survived. Jessica Canana and that 11-year-old, though, when they went to the hospital, they were in critical condition. Here's what deputies told the media hours after that incident. This is per Fox 26 in Houston. >> I believe it was the dad that was helping get anybody that was in the water out of the water. Upon the deputies arriving, the kids were wet, the dad was wet, and the mother was still in the water. And the deputies are the ones, I believe, that got in and got the mother out of the water. >> So, right right now, you say you were focused on the mom as the suspect or perpetrator. >> So, right now, we don't have a specific focus on the mom or the dad. We're looking at both. >> Since then, it has been weeks of silence. Jessica was in the hospital recovering, but her husband did get into some legal trouble. Deputies say as they were investigating the Canana property, they found an emaciated cat locked in a shed without food and water. They also found dogs and chickens allegedly in bad condition. Canana was booked on a misdemeanor animal cruelty charge, spent the night in jail, and bonded out after a hearing where his bond was set at $5,000. Now, it certainly raised some red flags that he would be charged with a misdemeanor on the same day that his wife allegedly tried to hurt his three children. >> Mr. Canana, do you have anything to say? >> Here's video of Canana being swarmed by media outside of the jail after he posted bond. He was covering his face. He didn't answer questions as he left the Liberty County Jail. Now, this is the person who reportedly was driving the car as he left jail. And this is a very interesting development in this story. That person, that driver was Liberty Police Department Lieutenant Ramro Lozano. This is his picture from the department's Facebook page. Lozano was suspended because he visited Canana while he was in jail before he posted bond. His agency is not the one investigating this case. It's in the hands of the Texas Rangers and it was in the hands of the county sheriff before that. It's still unclear what the two talked about behind bars. KHOTV says that the lieutenant was suspended pending an internal investigation. Now, as far as Canana's wife, Jessica, that's really the big story here today, this new development. What makes her facing felony charges even more shocking is that her husband was the one who DCF barred from seeing the kids. This is video of Domingo Canana per CW39 in Houston on his way into a court hearing over custody of the children. He didn't answer questions there either. The judge did not allow cameras in the courtroom for that hearing. Per ABC13 in Houston. During the hearing, an attorney for the children told the court that when CPS asked the children about their mom's well-being, the children reacted negatively when they were asked if they wanted to see their dad, Domingo Canana. But remember, Jessica Canana is the one now facing felony charges for allegedly trying to hurt the kids. The judge granted Jessica Canana, though a 1-hour visitation with the children, and Domingo Canana was barred from seeing the children. Police said that Jessica Canana was released from the hospital on Friday and that is when she was hit with those felony charges. Law enforcement has yet to give a detailed narrative of what they believe happened. They've only said what they were told. We are working to get court documents. Now, it does appear that the Canana family has been in some legal and financial trouble. This is a judgment from January of this year after Canana was sued in 2023 in Harris County, that's where Houston is, in the category of debt, contract fraud, misrepresentation. We don't have the documents laying out that case against Canana, but the court ruled in the favor of the plaintiff, according to the document, and Canana was on the hook for more than $138,000. We also found there is an active case in Liberty County where Cantana is accused of not paying taxes for years on a 72 acre property. The suit claims that he owes more than $43,000 in that case. Now, as for the mom, Jessica Kintano, we found that she is listed as the owner of a property in Houston where she is accused of being more than $18,000 behind on taxes. That is per the Harris County Tax Collector's website. Now, it's unclear if any of these civil issues factor into what happened at the home on September 29th. We are still waiting for more information from the Liberty County Sheriff's Office, but I do want to read for you the final line in what they sent us earlier today. They have yet to release the arrest warrants or probable cause affidavit. They have released statements though and they sign off saying, quote, "At this time, it is not confirmed whether the father of the children will be facing any charges." Joining us now to talk more about this story is retired detective commander with the Chicago Police Department, Will Celar. Thank you as always for being with us on Law and Crime. I know we've talked about this case since it happened back at the end of September and um continues to just take some bizarre twists cuz we haven't really heard from police the specific narrative that they think happened. But Jessica Canana, the mom, is facing um some pretty serious felony charges. What do you make of of of those charges coming down on her? >> Well, I I mean, I think that the uh the investigation is complete or close to complete and they've got the interviews they needed. They have the physical evidence they needed. They talked to the children and based on their entire investigation and I and I think the interviews are a big part of it. um they've determined that that the the mother is the one that uh gave the kids the the drugs or gave the kids to Nyquil and brought them out into the pond. So, I think they've established that enough to uh support the charges >> because from the beginning, it's just I mean, this was the term that the the deputies used was it was just bizarre. Um and there's still questions that I have about why she was still in the pond allegedly when law enforcement arrived, but the kids were out. um that hasn't really been explained even though that she's facing some serious charges. I guess where are still some of the questions you have about what exactly happened? >> Well, that's a that's the exact question I had is what what exactly happened? What what caused what was going on in that house that caused this mother to harm her children? That's not a very common thing. And as far as her being in the water, and I wondered about that, too. But, you know, God forbid my kids were ever in that situation. I'm getting my kids out first. I mean, that's just human nature, I guess. But I I'm very curious just about what was going on in that house. Um why the mom's charged, the dad's not charged. I'm very curious as to the events that led to this this event, the big event. When you look at Domingo Canana, who's the father, and he was facing this misdemeanor animal cruelty charge, which I know we talked about that just being kind of interesting considering, I mean, especially now with the mom fa like, do you look at that a little differently now knowing that she's facing charges where it still seems a bit off that if she is now accused of doing this that they would still hit him with a misdemeanor that day? Well, I mean, they they don't even again the the first day when like the investigators when they get out there, like you said, it's bizarre, right? It's it's nobody really knows what's going on. The prudent thing to do is separate the children from either from both parents because until you figure out what's going on. Now, this animal cruelty thing, you know, it gives you it gives you a reason to keep the dad away. The mom's in the hospital, the kids are in the hospital. It gives you a reason to keep the dad's weight. And again, I'm not saying they make up a charge because if there's a charge and you're a police officer or law enforcement official and you see a criminal act, you take action, but it also gives you access to the property to see if there's any more dogs and you know, whatever u you can find. Um, but nobody knew what was going on initially. The prudent move is to separate everybody and protect the children. That's that's the move. That's what you have to do. you have to protect the children >> and those children are still in from the latest statement that we have that the three kids are still in CPS custody right now. Um what because I think the interesting part of this is that in the CPS hearing that they had the father was barred from seeing the kids and yet the mom was allowed to have supervised visitation with the kids while she was still in the hospital. Is that unique that considering she's facing these specific charges? Very serious. I mean, she's being accused of potentially really trying to harm these kids that she would still be allowed to see them even if the dad I mean, he's not facing any charges related to this right now as if he he had no part in it. >> It's very strange. Very very strange. As a matter of fact, um I don't know when these interviews took place, when when the the visitation took place, did they have all the evidence? ent had they conduct the interviews with the children before that it would be very weird and if I was running the investigation I would have these interviews these forensic interviews done prior to allowing them access to either one of the parents because you know you made a decision to take these kids out of the home there's responsibility with that so I would make sure that I had these interviews done because you know think about think about with your children and my children the influence we have over our children. You know, if you you can skew them one way or the other. Um, so it's it's curious that they allowed this, but the curious thing is they'd allowed it and then they charged her and then they wouldn't give the dad access. So, I'm wondering what the story is in there. Is this a situation where the father was abusive or whatever to the point where the mother couldn't take it anymore? I mean, is it a mental health thing? Obviously, it's a mental health thing, but it's it's a very it's more complex than it than it it is on the surface. >> Really is. It's just one every development in this case has just made it even more bizarre. And I and I think we were probably learning as police were learning at the same time about what exactly happened. But the other development I'll say that came out of left field was this police lieutenant for the Liberty Police Department. And Liberty Police were not investigating this case. It was the local sheriff's office that was and then it gets handed over to the Texas Rangers. But this lieutenant um goes and visits Domingo Canana in jail and he's also the person who when Domingo Canana bonds out, he's the person who drives him home. Um now it's not a you know have a friend in law enforcement is not a crime, but what are some of the issues you would see? And and apparently his agency cuz he's on leave pending an internal investigation if he did that. Why would that be concerning that he visited him in jail? >> The the fact that he visited him in jail is not concerning. What's concerning is did he did he take the steps that you and I would have to do to go visit somebody? Did you get cleared? Did you get permission? Uh does the person know you're coming? Are you sitting in a room like everybody else that that goes to visit? Is the is the conversation being recorded like all those conversations are? or did you use your influence and your position to backdoor that whole thing and pull him into a side room and talk to him? That's a problem. If you did that, you have no investigative responsibility in this whatsoever. Um, if you use your position to circumvent the rules, that's a big problem. If the Texas Rangers are investigating this and you know for whoever the lead investigator is and you hear that a police lieutenant even in a private capacity went to visit him and maybe maybe they are close friends and there's nothing more to it than that. Would that still be something like within the law enforcement community that would kind of cross the line and raise concerns even if it wasn't illegal to do that or even you know in terms of the official ethics on the book. But if you were the detective leading this investigation, you find out some guy from another jurisdiction is visiting, you know, someone who you're investigating potentially related to this case, like what how how inside kind of the police community would that be viewed? >> That's not good. That's not good. I'm going to tell you right now because if it was my case or if I had a friend that was locked up and I wanted to go see him, my first call would be to the investigating officer, say, "Hey, listen. This is a friend of mine. I'm going to go talk to him. I'm not going to discuss the case because if you if you are a law enforcement official and this is back when when I was a detective. If a supervisor went into an interview room to talk to my person without telling me, that's a problem. If another detective did that, that's a problem. Uh if you're using, again, we we talk about this, he's if he's his friend, he's his friend. But you're law enforcement and you're a supervisor in law enforcement, you know the rules. And the rules are you don't interfere with somebody else's investigation. What is a and and for people watching and I I get kind of twisted on this sometimes because when I think of lieutenant in the military, you know, you're an officer, but on the lower level compared to some of the other uh what how much power does a lieutenant have in a police department like the Liberty Police Department? >> I don't know how big that police department is. I I just know like in Chicago um the higher you go the less there are obviously and there's 13,000 police officers in Chicago and x amount of supervisors or when you get to the rank of lieutenant you are you're in charge of all the sergeants you're in charge of everybody below the rank of sergeant okay so it's a pretty high rank and there's only a few above it not like the military there there's only there's only a few ranks above lieutenant in the Chicago police department there's like four ranks above lieutenant before you get to the top and I imagine Imagine in this department they got deputy chiefs, chiefs, and then you know maybe only three or four people above him if that many. So the rank of lieutenant is up there a little bit. >> They've charged again Jessica Lint Kintana is facing these charges, two charges of injury to a child causing bodily injury and then that one charge of assault causing bodily injury. Um and then they they end the statement that they sent to us, the uh Liberty County Sheriff's Office. It says at this time it is not confirmed whether the father of the children will be facing any charges. If they've talked to the kids and they have this narrative to believe that Jessica Canana did what she's accused of doing, allegedly giving Nyquil to the children, allegedly trying to drown the children. Um, but things are still up in the air of whether or not the dad is going to face charges. What's happening right now about figuring out whether that's actually going to happen? >> Now, you you mentioned something interesting. We talked about the charges intentionally harming a child, but but we we also talk about she she drugged the kids and then she put them in a pond and tried to drown them. That's a different thing. That's an attempted murder charge which has not been levied. So why I'm saying this, the woman is getting out of the hospital, right? There's no need to make an arrest while she's in the hospital. She's not going anywhere. And if you do something like that now, you're you're have to put police guard on that. Hospitals don't really like that if they can avoid it. she's getting out. You have the evidence you need to support the charges that you that you you levied against her. There must still be something going on for them to make a statement that we're not sure if the dad's going to face any charges. So, there must be still something going on. And I don't know what that could be. Um maybe it's talking to her to see if she has anything to say about things cuz she was down for a while. She was uh I think she was unconscious when she was found and uh it was a while before she was medically cleared. So, the investigation is not over. The investigation is at the point where they can support the charges they brought. As far as the dad goes, the whole thing is weird about the dad. Again, he's the outcry in this, but doesn't necessarily mean that the outcry isn't the offender. Or maybe there who knows what's going on in that house. Maybe we're finding out things from these kids that uh goes a lot deeper than just drugging somebody and bring them into into a pond. It's an interesting point because I I had that same kind of thought myself is if what was originally reported is, you know, the mom allegedly trying to drown those kids, especially after giving them Nyquil. I mean, that would be an attempted murder charge, you would think, but that's not what she's being charged with here. And police really haven't really, again, like the kind of the narrative of like what happened that hasn't been released to the local media or the public at this point. What is the timeline that a police agency can have when it comes to because I imagine for Domingo Canana, the dad, if he's completely innocent and he literally just witnessed his wife try to harm his kids and he calls 911 and yet he's still the suspect in this investigation. How long could he have that hanging over his head until someone, whether it's the the police or, you know, the Texas Rangers, the district attorney, decides that things are closed? In Illinois, if it's a felony, it's 3 years. If it's a misdemeanor, it's 18 months. So, he could have this this investigation could go on for 3 years before they have to either charge or it goes away. So, it could be quite a while. I don't think it'll take that long, but the the law the law in Illinois anyway is 3 years for felonies. Um, and 18 months statute of limitation on misdemeanor unless it's, you know, capital murder. There's no statute of limitations on that. and I believe like treason or something like that, some obscure one where there is no statute of limitations. >> Okay. So, this could, you know, depending on um Liberty County, Texas or the state of Texas. I mean, it could go for a long period of time. Once you have and if they have their narrative, I mean, they've talked to the kids. They're in CPS custody. They're going to talk, I assume, to Jessica Canana. We'll see if she has a defense attorney, you know, with her and what type of communication there is there. Um, what is it like, I guess, within a police agency right now? Are you just sitting and waiting for someone in the DA's office to give the thumbs up to go forward with it? Are you just reviewing the evidence that you already have? Like, what work is potentially being done right now over that period of time of making a decision of whether he could face charges. >> So, there's a couple of things going on. There's there's there's a bur there's probable cause to make an arrest which the burden is a little lower, but right now the the police department or the investigators are working with the prosecutors and they're they're coming up with all the evidence and they're deciding whether or not they can move further. Now, in Jessica's case, she's got the right to a probable cause hearing or maybe direct indictment. In either case, all the facts that they have against her have to be presented at that time for a judge to decide or a grand jury to decide if the if the case could move forward. So that's probably going on with when it relates to the father. They're probably trying to figure out the evidence. Is there evidence to move forward? Probable cause of making arrest is one thing. To move forward with a prosecution that is successful is totally different. It's like it's it's an analogy of analogy of what do we know and what can we prove? Two different things. >> And we we'll see what happens. I mean, this is definitely a a new development. Um you know, we're waiting for information to come out if she was going to be released from the hospital if and when and what that would look like. So, please charging her here with three felonies. We'll see if Domingo Canana faces charges. Will Selar, it's always great to have you on Law and Crime. Thank you for uh just a bizarre case and and you've been with us every step of the way. We appreciate it. Uh, no worries, Chris. Nice talking to you. >> A search for a missing teen near a Texas reservoir just hit a tragic turn as this young man's body was found, but what [music] isn't clear is what happened to him. We are going through what we know and what unfolded and what we can expect with a former CIA [music] and FBI agent. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law on Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. tragic development in a new mystery case that we want to talk about. 18-year-old Kenley Bomearo. When this case first broke, the Georgetown, Texas Police Department said at the time that Kenley disappeared from a campsite at Sawyer Park near Lake Georgetown at 1000 p.m. on November 28th, 2025. Fox 7 reported that this is an area that you can only get to by hiking or by boat, so limited access. Now, Lake Georgetown is this large reservoir on the North Fork of the San Gabriel River. And according to CBS Austin, he was reported missing the following morning. And residents say that this is unusual. It is unusual for someone to just disappear near Lake Georgetown. Police said at the time, quote, "All evidence indicates that Kenley has not left the area of the lake, but we are not ruling out anything. Authorities have been searching on land and in the waters since last night and will continue searching. Now, according to the Austin American Statesman, on Monday, December 1st, police chief Corey Tashida said that Kenley had left behind his car and his cell phone. His family and friends, they had reportedly been actively searching for him. coming from his hometown of San Angelo. His mother, Deanna Morris, telling CBS Austin that her son disappeared while camping with a friend that it was that friend who reported him missing. Quote, "We just want him home. We don't want him to be out here. We thought maybe he was lost, but it's a little more than that apparently. So, we just want to find him. We want to get him home. And whatever condition he's in, that's all we want." Now, to be clear, the search efforts at the beginning of this week were very intense. We're talking canines, boats using sonar, dive teams, a helicopter using thermal devices, trained volunteers from Texas Search and Rescue. And here's something to note what police said Monday evening. Quote, "We appreciate all the assistance that has been offered by the public, but because this is an active search and investigation and any type of foul play has not been ruled out, we must be cautious and allowing assistance outside of trained professionals." So, what does that mean? I'm going to talk about that in a little bit. But also foul play, not ruling it out at the time. By the way, there were even people commenting on this Facebook post from the Georgetown Police Department and you saw the massive interest in this and people invested in this. There was one interesting user comment. It was seemingly seemingly from someone claiming to be Kenley's father, a user known as Tom English. There's been a little bit of back and forth online about whether or not this is true, but Tom English apparently says, "I am Kenley's father. He is still missing and we are not sure if he walked off to another park or up river or he's in the water. Any volunteers that would like to come out and walk the woods in Cedar Hollow, Sawyer Park, and beyond up river would be welcomed and greatly appreciated. He could have went towards Garden Falls, too." I say all of that because now I have to talk about what happened. We go to the latest development from the police department update on Tuesday. Quote, "The Georgetown Police Department is deeply saddened to report that we have recovered the body of Kenley Bomerito from Lake Georgetown after being located by underwater sonar. We extend our deepest condolences to Kenley's family and friends as they endure this unimaginable loss." and they added, "This is still an active investigation to identify the exact cause and manner of death and the circumstances. Because of the active nature of this investigation, we will not be making further comment at this time. And we ask for your continued cooperation while we work through the investigation." So, here's now the question. What happened to Kendley? And will we know what happened to Kenley? All right. I want to bring in Tracy Walder, former CIA special operations officer, FBI special agent, NewsNation contributor, author of The Unexpected Spy. Uh Tracy, thanks so much for coming on. This is a weird one. We don't have a lot of information about this. There is kind of a strange aspect to this. From what you've read, from what you've seen so far, what stood out to you? I think the biggest thing that stood out to me, Jesse, was the fact that his phone um and vehicle were left behind. You know, this is an 18-year-old young man. I think most teens or young adults typically have their phones on them really at all times. And so, I think that was probably the most surprising part. If he was camping, hiking, whatever the nature of his visit to that campsite was, I would have suspected that he had his phone on him even if it wasn't working or or was dead. >> Yeah, that is a weird aspect to this. And and you know, there's a lot of different theories about what could have happened here. Do you find it strange that it took that many days to find him? Or if you say, "Hey, listen. If you're talking about a body being found in this reservoir, it's not unusual that it would take this this many days and therefore to be that it was sonar that was used to find him because you do wonder if the lake was the primary location to focus on. >> Yeah, it's that's the part that's hard to say. This is an area this this area in Georgetown actually doesn't have um a history like of other areas we've talked about in Texas right in the bayou and um in Austin actually really doesn't have a history of too many uh bodies being found there. It's not a transient area. It's a camping area. Um so the fact that it was even found is obviously highly unusual. Just the fact that there was even a body in there is high highly unusual. Um it really depends on the area how much rain um the area received uh how much how fast the currents were going in and out of that reservoir and out of the lake. And so I think that sort of muddies the waters if you will in terms of how long it would have taken them. I also don't know how clear um that water is. We have had a lot of rain um here in Texas and so it probably would have been difficult to identify a body in there quickly. >> Mhm. and what depth the body was found at. To be able to use sonar to to to you locate the body using sonar is interesting. >> Honestly, that's typical. Um, you know, just in terms of obviously I'm going back to what the devastation that happened over the past summer at Camp Mystic um in Texas. They did use sonar and they still are using sonar um to find individuals. Um it's it's safer to be completely honest. Obviously, you're not having to put people in the water. um where things can happen there and also it's a larger swath of area and it's better in terms of directing resources and being good stewards of those resources to those specific areas. >> How do they identify now cause and manner of death? >> Yeah, that's going to be the difficult part. And even in um the Austin cases in at Ladybird Lake um and in some of the Bayou cases, we don't have uh manner and causes of death. And so what that tells me is initially when they found him, there was probably no obvious uh signs of why he he died. You know, no gunshots, no stab wounds, those kinds of things. And so now they're going to have to probably go to uh toxicology, which I think is going to take obviously weeks um if not months. Um if they can't in an autopsy see that he has a a broken hyoid bone, um which would obviously point to a potential strangulation. Um, and then obviously drowning. So, I think that's what's going to be difficult. Maybe they're not able to determine drowning and remove that right off the bat in terms of a cause of death. >> Mhm. That could be difficult to know whether or not somebody accidentally drowned or whether or not um they were forcibly drowned unless there was some sort of trauma. But um if I'm understanding correctly, it might not be evident from immediate first look. this may take further examination and maybe even that wouldn't determine what actually happened. >> Yeah. Because I think again to me it sounds like there's no obvious to your point earlier signs of trauma, right? It sounds like um they are not able to determine whether he ended up in this area willingly or or unwillingly. And so I think that's the piece that's going to be be difficult. Surely I think they know uh you know that there could be water in his lungs. I I don't know. Um but I think that's that's the difficult part. >> Let me just backtrack to something that you said. If there was an obvious sign of trauma, if you're dealing with a victim who was shot or stabbed or or or there was bluntforce trauma that was evident, would law enforcement would authorities release that information immediately or would they say, "Listen, this is an active investigation. Uh we're not going to say anything at this point. we will wait for the cause and manner of death. Um, what do you think? >> I think the answer to that is it depends. I I'm sorry to be a bit wishy-washy. I think that because of a lot of what's going on in Texas and a lot of the speculation, right, surrounding again the bayou um and and Lady Bird Lake. I would hope if there was an obvious sign of trauma that the police would say, "Hey, look, um this this caused we know that there was a a manner of death uh in terms of a shooting, violent death, all of those things. Um but this is still an active investigation because we're trying to determine whether or not this was a homicide or, you know, was this a suicide." I would hope that they would come forward with that information. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. >> Yeah. and they say this is an active uh investigation. They're not going to be making further comment. Um they're asking for continued cooperation while they work through the investigation. There is something about the isolated nature of this area where it doesn't seem based on their prior comments that they believe, let's say, he was taken by someone somewhere else and then deposited back in that location. And this is a place that is just not easily accessible, right? And I think that may be adding to or limiting what the different uh theories are that could have happened to him or what could have happened to him. >> I also don't believe that he was, you know, kidnapped and taken uh to that location simply because it seems like he has family and friends who are in contact with him. Again, they went out looking for him essentially the next day. Um, and so I believe had he been taken, uh, they would have been on to that sooner, as well. I think this is a person who, in my opinion, probably chose to go to this area, was familiar with this area. Again, it is a campground. So, I wouldn't say it's completely isolated, but it's an area where people do know of to go and camp. And so, my gut is just saying he wasn't essentially kidnapped and taken to this area. >> What about this friend? this friend that he apparently went with, this friend who reported him missing. Um, I'm imagining he was interviewed. >> I I would imagine he was the first person um that was interviewed. Uh there's no question. Um and that's partially why this is still an active investigation and why they do need to determine the manner of death obviously to completely clear the friend because the friend doesn't have an alibi of not being there. The friend was there. And so that to me also points to the fact that I don't believe he was taken against his will. I think he had gone there um with his friend. But now is this a question of an accident? Did he slip and fall and drown um in this location or did somebody spare the friend but take him which is also unusual? >> What is an investigation like this look like? You know they say an active investigation. What does that encompass? Obviously, you said they're, you know, caused, manner of death, toxicology reports, but what other um what other pieces of evidence can they analyze now um in order to determine what exactly happened? And again, given the remote area here, it's not like it's in the middle of a metropolitan city on a a corner where there's cameras everywhere. What What does an investigation look like? >> I think phones I think phones in the vehicle, in my opinion, are going to be two things in this investigation. And I think first, listen, cell phone service is not great out there. I understand that. I'm not talking about real time, you know, phone and text. But I think any messages even leading up to the days uh prior to all of this, prior to him even being at that campsite, are going to be important in terms of getting into his head, getting into his mental state, and understanding what was going on. I also think they've absolutely taken the phone that of his friend. There's no question um that they have taken that and are looking through that. But I also think his vehicle too, they are going to look at the GPS uh within that vehicle, determine where it had had been um in the I guess hours leading up to all of this. I think that's going to be important to as well as processing the vehicle. >> I I was really taken aback by the massive search efforts, right? Obviously, it's one thing from the family and the f uh family friends to come uh from, you know, a different area to come search and that's incredible. And you know, my heart goes out to the family who now have a reality. I mean, this is their worst case. This is a nightmare. They now have to live. Um, but you're talking about canines uh on foot, boats using sonar, dive teams, there was a helicopter using thermal devices, there were trained volunteers from the Texas Search and Rescue. That's a massive, massive search effort. What do you make of that? >> So, it isn't. It isn't. Again, I obviously I live here and so um water searches in Texas because we have the Guadalupe River which is obviously flood alley and because it is so devastating um Texas is I know it might surprise people is actually very well equipped um to conduct these kinds of searches. So I'm actually not surprised to be completely honest by the scope of this investigation. also because it is remote um they are going to be using that type of resources to do this. So I know it might sound strange to some but I'm not necessarily surprised given the resources I know that we have here for water searches >> and that statement from law enforcement that while they essentially appreciate the public's help um in searches that it could hamper the investigation it can hamper a search what why is that? Why would they say that? >> Yeah. So that actually goes back to again the devastation that we had uh this past summer on the Guadalupe at Camp Mystic and some of the other camps in that area. What had happened in that case was civilians were out of the kindness of their own hearts trying to volunteer and help. Unfortunately, they then will become victims and had to be rescued um because they didn't have uh that experience in terms of proper search and rescued. And so then it really stymies their efforts in terms of preserving evidence if they have to go out and rescue um other individuals, particularly in water searches. So I I believe I don't obviously know for certain, but based on what I've seen in the past, that's probably why they're asking the public to sort of stay put. >> Tracy, before I let you go, um when do you think we'll get more answers from law enforcement um about what happened to him? I think because they're probably waiting on toxicology reports. It's unfortunately going to be two to three weeks. I know people want answers sooner. I'm sure his family wants answers sooner, but that's that's what I think. >> Will the family know before the public and the media? >> I would hope so. Um, they should know before the public and the media. Yes. >> Police. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. >> Hands up. >> Let me see your hands. Body camera video shows what led up to an officer involved shooting in Texas after a suspect was found firing a gun in a public park. >> Hey, hands up. Hands up. Hands up. >> Hands up. >> HANDS UP. >> The incident happened on March 29th in San Antonio. That's when a 911 call came in for a person firing a weapon out in public. >> San Antonio 911. This is lead. You need to fire. uh police. There's a kid in a guy in Arnold Park. He's shooting a gun. He's got long black hair, uh black backpack, black jacket. He's wearing pants. >> Body camera video shows officers responding to the shooting in progress call, asking passers by whether they've seen the suspect. >> Y'all hear anything? >> Yeah, he's right there in the bench. >> Where? Where? >> Which one? >> Straight ahead. Straight ahead. After that, officers find the suspect, later identified as 26-year-old Raul Arzola, in the middle of a field. They approach and call for him to drop the weapon. When Arzola draws his weapon toward officers, they open fire. >> That's our police. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. >> Hands up. >> Let me see your hands. >> Here's the shooting from another angle. >> Hey, hands up. Hands up. Hands up. >> Hands up. Officials say Arzola ran off after the shooting. Body camera video shows officers track him down and call for him to get to the ground. Arzola was later taken to the hospital and treated for his injuries. No one else was injured in the shooting. Arzola now faces multiple charges, including aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The shooting is now under investigation by the Barrett County District Attorney's Office. Dr. Ortiz cloaked himself in the white coat of a healer, but instead of curing pain, he inflicted it. A doctor is convicted of intentionally tampering with IV bags full of medicine and it's apparently all caught on tape. We'll discuss this unique case with Texas attorney Nicole Deour. Welcome to Sidebar presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Here's one for you. A Texas doctor whose whole job is to help people ease their pain, save their lives. He was convicted of injecting dangerous drugs into IV bags leading to multiple cardiac emergencies and even killing a fellow doctor. I'm talking about Ronaldo Riviera Ortiz Jr. charged in September of 2023 with tampering with bags at a surgical center in Dallas. He was an anesthesiologist. You know, one of the people present during surgeries to make sure patient is unconscious and perhaps even more importantly that they wake up. Well, according to prosecutors, Ortiz was apparently upset over a disciplinary action that was taken against him at Surgicare North Dallas because of a mistake he made in one of his own surgeries. So, he apparently wanted to mess up the surgeries of his colleagues as well. And though Artiz was charged in 2023, the crimes date back to 2022 between May and August. That is when Ortiz was caught on camera filling syringes with drugs, messing around with IV bags at the surgery center. Multiple pieces of surveillance video were introduced during the course of this trial. In fact, in one, Ortiz can be seen taking IV bags from a warming bin, then replacing them soon after. Those bags were then carried into operating rooms, and the patients that the IV saline was given to suffered sudden cardiac emergencies. We're going to take a look at some of these other video clips. So, Ortiz is seen taking a vial out of a cabinet and an IV bag out of the warmer. In another one, Ortiz walks down the hall, opens the warmer, looks inside, shuts it again, possibly checking to see if the ones he tampered with were still in there. Videos also showed Ortiz mixing up vials of medication and even watching as victims were wheeled out of the operating room by emergency responders. Here's the US attorney for the Northern District of Texas, Leia Simmonton, talking a little bit more about this case. >> Dr. Ortiz assembled ticking time bombs using medicines intended to help patients, not hurt them. Then he sat in wait as those medical bombs went off one by one. Toxic cocktails flowing into the veins of patients who were often at their most vulnerable, lying unconscious on the operating table. >> Now around 1 month after these patients started having these sudden emergencies, another anesthesiologist who worked at Surgicare was apparently suffering from dehydration dehydration. So, she took home an IV bag to help her recover. I'm talking about 55-year-old Dr. Melanie Casper. Well, she died at home in front of her husband. Said that she was writhing on the floor in pain. Then, in August of 2022, an 18-year-old was having just a routine sinus surgery when all of a sudden, he had to be rushed to the intensive care unit. Doctors started to get suspicious that something was wrong with the IVs. So, a lab analyzed the fluid from the bag that was used during that 18-year-old's procedure, and they found multiple drugs that had no business being in there, including epinephrine, lidocaine, as well as a nerve blocking agent. The mixture would have caused the boy's reaction. The lab also documented a puncture in the bag. And in all, an investigation uncovered that 11 patients had major and potentially devastating reactions during surgery because of these tainted IV bags. And when an investigation got rolling in September of 2022, the Texas Medical Board was notified and held an emergency meeting suspending Ortiz's medical license. In its order, the board said, quote, "Respondents continued practice of medicine poses a continuing threat to public welfare." Then the criminal complaint charged Ortiz with tampering with a consumer product causing death and intentional drug adulteration. And during that trial, the jury saw those surveillance videos I mentioned. They heard testimony from patients and fellow doctors, and they listened to experts explain why it would never be necessary for an anesthesiologist to be handling medicines and IV bags the way Ortiz did. As for the defense, they tried to say Ortiz was a scapegoat, that the hospital didn't really do a thorough investigation and just decided to blame him. They also had a medical expert who testified that the patients could have had other conditions that caused them to go into cardiac arrest. And possibly one of the best defenses that Ortiz had was that only one fingerprint was apparently found in an IV bag and it wasn't Ortiz's. But despite that, after eight days of trial in federal court, Ortiz was found guilty. A jury convicted him of four counts of tampering with consumer products resulting in serious bodily injury, one count of tampering with a consumer product, and five counts of intentional adulteration of a drug. A sentencing hearing is planned for July where Ortiz faces up to, get this, 190 years in prison for his crimes. I want to bring on right now Texas criminal defense attorney and trial attorney Nicole De Board to talk about this, but also to talk about the fact that we dug a little bit deeper into Ortiz's past and we found some very disturbing information. We will get to that in a minute. Nicole, so good to see you. Thanks for coming here on Sidebar. overall reaction to this? >> You know, really, it's such a shocking crime. It it is just so sad. Obviously, this anesthesiologist who's now been convicted didn't even have a particular target in mind. Uh but the people that ultimately were severely injured and and then al even died really had no personal connection to him whatsoever. It there the crimes are indeed horrific and I think that he stands to really receive the bulk of that potential sentence. What's so scary is he's in that position of trust. We don't even think about the idea that our medical professionals could be deliberately harming us. And that actually made me wonder when I first heard the case, were you surprised he wasn't charged? And I I don't I didn't see that he was originally charged with this and it was dropped, but I didn't see it at all. But were you surprised he wasn't charged with manslaughter or that he wasn't charged with attempted murder? It is surprising and it may have been a case that the state just did not feel comfortable investigating or feel comfortable that they had the information to connect the death or the serious injury to the activity by this anesthesiologist. Or it may have just been that they had an agreement with the federal government that the feds would take the lead and do the work on the case. >> Right. Right. Because those would be those would be state charges there. Why do you think the feds decided to take it? Well, it it sounds like from what they presented and certainly the jury agreed that they had enough evidence to move forward and get a conviction based on what they found. So, um you know, these are serious serious consequences people were facing and as you've already mentioned, a position where they should have been able to trust the facility and their doctors >> and probably easier to make the conviction on the federal front and with such serious charges if you're looking to send him away for the rest of his life, whether it's attempted murder on a state charge or manslaughter on a state charge. you can go federal and it's maybe a more streamlined case and you could potentially get him sent to prison for the rest of his life. Why not go the federal route? Um the defense though is interesting. I mentioned it a little bit. We've covered cases before here on Law and Crime where we've had medical professionals who who've been charged with crimes and said that they're responsible for the deaths of patients and we've seen a quiddles. Um the fact that the defense here did not work, why do you think it didn't work? It it just sounded like there was too much evidence that these crimes were so disconnected or the people that had injury were so disconnected um and except for one thing and that is this particular anesthesiologist having access to the bags of fluid that ultimately were used in their surgeries. So I I think it was really just that key point that was potentially overwhelming. And that surveillance video, my gosh, did he not realize? And I wondered, you know, certain videos when he's opening the door, if he's trying to block himself or trying to did he know where the cameras were, but it really didn't work out too well for him. Um, and thank goodness that he is no longer in a position to do this to anyone else. Um, my gosh. And and thank goodness it was caught so soon. Um I I mean there were a number of people affected and I wish it was caught sooner, but imagine if this happened for years and it went under the radar. Um what is he looking at in terms of an actual prison sentence? >> He could get up to 190 months based on the crimes that he was convicted of instead of >> uh well excuse me 190 years. Um, and so, uh, you know, the way that federal sentences work is is that the sentences are broke down into months, but in this case, it adds up to potentially 190 years, uh, for the types of crimes that he was convicted of by this jury. >> Do you think he would get that high? Do you think, but here's my bottom bottom line. Is he going to spend the rest of his life in prison? >> I think likely. As I understand it, he's around 60 years old. these crimes uh you know are stackable which means that the judge can look at them and say we think that these sentences should be served consecutively. So he stands to face quite a lot of time. >> Hey everybody. So one of my favorite things about being a host here on Law and Crime is how passionate our audience is. You guys, you don't just sit back and watch. 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Let us know what you think. Click the link in the description to step inside the interrogation room on law and crime interrogations. Nicole, I want you to stick around because I want to give everybody a little bit of background on this guy and I want you to give me your reaction to this and maybe more importantly why as far as I could see there was no lawsuits initiated. I I I'll explain. So, we mentioned that the tampering started happening after Ortiz was disciplined. Remember? Well, according to documentation from the Texas Medical Board in November of 2020, Ortiz was performing anesthesia on a patient during surgery when he quote failed to meet the standard of care. The patient needed CPR, had to be moved to an acute care setting to get further treatment. But not only that, the medical board panel says that Ortiz didn't recognize the patients oxygen levels and the need for ventilation and that he failed to document these critical events. And then under the mitigating factors section in the paperwork, the order states, quote, respondent was the subject of hospital medical staff investigation due to the same incident. The investigation was never completed and no final findings were made because respondent relinquished his privilege prior to any hearing on the matter. Respondent was denied a fair hearing by the hospital which then resulted in respondent's resignation from the hospital. It also notes that Ortiz submitted evidence that he says shows he met the standard of care and that no deficiencies in his care are responsible for the patient's outcome. But as part of the medical board's order handed down in 2022, Ortiz's anesthesia practice was required to be monitored by another physician for four monitoring cycles. He was also required to notify any medical centers, hospitals, surgery centers, or any other place he worked about that order. And that order was signed by Rinaldo Ortiz Jr. MD on August 17th, 2022. And not long after that, the first problems with IV bags at Surgery Care started to emerge. Well, in Ortiz's files with the Texas Medical Board, we also found out that Ortiz was reprimanded back in 2018 for failing to notify hospitals that he had been convicted of a crime. Yes, that led him to having his license temporarily suspended. What I'm talking about is that in 2016, a Texas jury found Ortiz guilty of cruelty to non-livestock animals. Ortiz apparently shot his female neighbor's pet dog in retaliation for this woman reportedly helping his girlfriend at the time escape from him and testify against him at a protective order hearing. Now, fortunately, that dog lived, but what a scary horrific situation we're talking about. Ortiz was sentenced to 25 days confinement in jail, but it's our understanding that he was actually remanded to two years community service and that he had to pay a $4,000 fine. He also had to pay the dog's vet bills and had to participate in an anger management program. He was prohibited from owning or carrying weapons. Ortiz and his lawyers filed an appeal, but the appeals court upheld his conviction. But that's not all. No. According to those filings, Ortiz was arrested in 1995 for assault causing bodily injury to a spouse. She divor divorced him and the two settled for an undisclosed amount of money. 2005, another female partner filed for an emergency protective order against Ortiz, alleging he assaulted her. Then in 2014, Ortiz was arrested for assault involving domestic violence against a third woman she filed for an emergency protective order a month later. In an affidavit, one of these women claimed that Ortiz had been abusive for years. Quote, "He has threatened to kill me before, even told me how he would do it, including cutting my finger off to get the ring." He said the only thing stopping him from killing me was he would go to jail. Ortiz was supposed to report all of this to the medical centers where he worked, but apparently he did not. The medical executive committee at Baylor Scott and White Medical Center in Garland suspended Ortiz's clinical privileges for 14 days for failing to report those criminal charges. And according to the Texas Medical Board, the conviction as well as a documented history of violence against women violates several board rules, so they were entitled to take action. The board's order called for a public reprimand of Ortiz, which was done in these documents. He would also be required to pay an administrative penalty of $2,000. Nicole, I'm exhausted from going through that whole history. I And and my gosh, it seems to me, you know, as far as I can tell, um is it the I asked you why we haven't seen any kind of lawsuits against these medical centers for keeping this guy in their employee, but as soon as they found out, they took action, right? But are you disturbed by this? I mean, a history going back as for years. >> It's beyond disturbing. I mean, here's an individual who's not allowed to possess a weapon. Uh, but they're allowed to have access to the medication that will either save or not save the person's life who is undergoing surgery um, and have unfettered access to it at the clinic even after he was notified. and the clinic presumably should have been aware that he had to be supervised during his role as an anesthesiologist who clearly was not. He had access to those IV bags repeatedly while somebody could not see exactly what it was he was doing and then they were used on patients who suffered. >> And and as far as I can tell, and please any of our viewers, listeners, correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't see any lawsuits. I didn't see any pending litigation as a result of this. I could imagine you could go forward with a lawsuit. It's negligent hiring, right? Um, why do you think we don't see any lawsuits here? >> It's a good question. I mean, theoretically, it sounds like there may be a very small window of time and this and and it may not be. So, the time may be passed. Uh, but there are statutes of limitations where a person can make, you know, make a move to to file a lawsuit and we are getting frightfully close if not uh past that that deadline. So, I suppose it could still happen. Uh, but it is quite shocking that there have not been civil actions. It's also possible that there was some sort of a confidential resolution to these matters that we just don't know about. And >> and let me ask you this. I I I'm kind of putting you on the spot. If you don't have the answer, totally fine. It seems to me that in light of all this, and yes, he wasn't convicted of everything that I mentioned, there were charges. Um, there were protective orders put in place. And correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm being too harsh, does it not feel that the punishment he received from these different medical boards was not sufficient? Does it seem to you that perhaps they could have permanently revoked his license, made sure he was never in a position to be in the medical community, the medical industry, or is that too extreme given what the the charges were and what his criminal history was? >> You know, it's really hard to say. You know, I hate to go back and second guess a board over something that may be disconnected from the person's job, right? I mean, and certainly in this instance, it it turns out that it was a terrible red flag and these are things that at a minimum the facility should have been supervising as required by the board's ruling. Uh they were not doing so or this would never have occurred. Um you know, that said, hindsight is 2020. It seems that perhaps he should not have been there obviously. Uh, but you know, I I it's hard to second guess what a board has access to when they're making a decision about a person's livelihood and ability to continue to >> to do what they do for a living in their trade. >> Yeah. And and look, I'm not advocating uh for litigation. I'm not saying the board did anything wrong. I just uh it's a shame he was put in that position and did this to so many people, including causing the death of one innocent woman. But look, we we'll see what happens. if the judge will throw the book at Ortiz during this sentencing. But uh Nicole, thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate your insight as always. >> An [snorts] armed robber was shot and killed when a restaurant customer pulled out a gun midway through the attempted holdup. It happened at Renito Takiierra in Houston, Texas on January 5th. Surveillance video shows a masked man enter the restaurant just before 11:30 that night pointing a gun. Investigators say the gunman demanded money from the customers and surveillance video shows some throwing cash his way. As the suspect walked around the restaurant for several seconds, video shows a customer looking through his belongings. As the suspect heads for the door, the customer pulls out a gun and shoots him. The suspect died as a result of his injuries. Investigators later determined the suspect's weapon was not real and instead was plastic. Houston officials have since released this photo of the restaurant patron who fatally shot the suspect in a 1970s or 80s pickup truck. Investigators say the man is wanted for his role in the shooting, but so far he has not been identified or charged. We'll continue to follow this developing story and bring you the latest details as they unfold. >> This is an unbelievable one. A young mother is accused of leaving her toddler at home alone while she went to a completely different city to meet up with a man she met on a dating app. [music] That is according to police in Texas. And they say when they went to check on this 16-month-old, they found him hanging out of a broken window. We're going to be digging into the details of this strange and disturbing case and the consequences this mother [music] could face. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Reese Louise [music] Meyers, a 25-year-old Army veteran, is in some very serious trouble after she allegedly left her 16-month-old son home alone with dogs while she, get this, went on a date with a guy that she met on the dating app Hinch. Yes, that's the allegation now. That's what we're talking about. The story actually starts several months ago. So, let's go back. Police in Colleen, Texas were alerted that they needed to do a child welfare check back in July because they went to this apartment complex and what do they find? A toddler hanging out of a broken window of a groundfloor apartment. They say neighbors were trying to help this child, especially because there was this aggressive dog that was near him. Not entirely clear if the dog was trying to attack the child or protect the child, but obviously a very distressing situation. Now, according to an affidavit, the window wasn't shattered, but there was cardboard and plexiglass that had been used to cover it. Officers removed it to get inside the apartment. They found this 16-month-old wearing only a shirt. He was covered in feces. He had diaper rash. And officers say that it looks like Meyers had intended to leave her baby alone for a long period of time. There were some doors in the apartment that were closed. There was a baby gate blocking off the kitchen. There were dead bolts on the doors and windows that were locked. This is all according to the affidavit. So, of course, police were very concerned and alarmed and they called Meyers right away. And she allegedly tells them that she's in San Antonio, more than 2 hours away. The affidavit says that she told officers that she matched with a guy on the dating app Hinge, went to San Antonio to meet up with him to go on a date. She claimed that she'd been gone since the day before. Now, Meyers allegedly told police that, look, she had called a babysitter that she'd worked with before, that the babysitter was supposed to be looking after her child. She said that she'd spoken with the woman before through Facebook. Problem is, police get in touch with that babysitter, and it turns out she apparently hadn't spoken with Meyers since last year. Her phone showed she had no Facebook communication with her since December of 2023. And police also made contact with another woman, maybe former roommate of Meyers, said she lived with Meyers for a short while. She claims that Meyers was neglectful toward the child, often leaving at night, not returning until the next day. The toddler was checked out at a hospital, taken to the care of Child Protective Services, and officers told Me Myers she has to come back immediately. Here's where there's another wrinkle in the story. She apparently didn't. Authorities ended up arresting her out in California on the Fort Irwin Army base. That's almost what 1,400 miles away. And now she was brought back to Texas. She's been in custody ever since. So according to her LinkedIn page, Meyers is a veteran of the US Army. She had worked as a parallegal for a few law firms. And now she faces a charge of abandoning, endangering a child. The statute reads, "A person commits an offense if having custody, care, or control of a child younger than 15 years. He intentionally or she intentionally abandons the child in any place under circumstances that expose the child to an unreasonable risk of harm. This is a thirdderee felony. It carries a prison sentence of our understanding to be 2 to 10 years. I want to bring in former prosecutor, criminal defense attorney, Florina Alshiler, to talk more about this. Florina, thanks so much for coming on. My gosh, what do you make of this headline? >> Uh, very clearly this is unreasonable conduct by a mother who is placing her own interests well ahead of the well-being of her very young six-month 16-month-old child. This is not acceptable behavior and this is criminal behavior. I think quite clearly by leaving her child for that long without an adult being there with a window that was broken but sort of temporarily fixed with two animals in the house. Uh how's this child supposed to feed himself? How's this child supposed to change himself? How's this child supposed to have access to hydration? just completely, shockingly, unbelievably unacceptable and quite clearly well within the definition of the criminal statute under the Texas Penal Code. I don't see how she's going to uh get away with this. >> Yeah, I've heard of creative defenses before. I'm struggling with this one. is the fact that she kept the doors closed. And you know, the idea of maybe she was confining the child to a certain area so the child couldn't get into other parts that there wasn't an intention necessarily to abandon the child that she was going to be coming back. I don't know. Tell me if I'm totally off base. >> Yeah. So, there's a distinction under the Texas Penal Code between whether she's abandoning the child with intent to come back versus without the intent to come back. That doesn't make her not guilty of that lower level crime where there is an intent to come back. And in that lower level crime, she's still looking at up to two years of state jail time plus a fine of up to $10,000. And that's if she's able to show that she had the intent to come back. If she did not have the intent to come back, that's a thirdderee felony in Texas. And in that case, she would be looking at up to 10 years in prison plus the $10,000 fine. So really, even if she can establish, look, I didn't abandon my child. Okay, maybe I did temporarily, but I had the intent to come back. Fine. You're not guilty of the higher level crime, but you're still guilty of the lower level crime, which has a 2-year state prison sentence. >> And if she pleads guilty, could that be on the table, pleading guilty to the lower offense? And I I I mean, this is pretty bad. Do you think that there's any chance that she wouldn't get prison time even in in a guilty plea? The one factor that will play favorably to her and always does in all courts is the fact that she is a military veteran. Courts look favorably upon that. It sounds like she has a job history. Courts look favorably about that. Uh the problem is she's not herself like an 18-year-old kid that has no idea how to parent. She's got a job history. She has military experience. This isn't rocket science. It's common sense. You do not abandon a 16-month-old child in a home by themselves with two animals. Again, how was this child to feed itself? How is this child supposed to survive and the child is halfway hanging out of this window when good citizens call authorities? What if the child fell out of the window? I understand it's ground level. Okay, maybe the child wouldn't have died. But now you have a child out in the street 16 months old. >> Yeah, >> absolutely not acceptable. There's no gray area. There's no way to defend this. There's no explaining it. Take a plea, lady, and good luck. >> San Antonio going on a date, admitting it to police. I I it's that's like it's open and shut in that sense. But here's the part I'm confused about. So, she's arrested in California. Uh then she was extradited back to Texas this week. How come she wasn't hit with charges with respect to I guess essentially being on the run? >> The question be the problem is if she didn't know that she was going to be arrested if there's no warrant out for her. >> But if they told her you got to you got to come back. You got to come back. Please we're police. Come back. We just found your child in the state and she doesn't show up. What do you think? I I think it just further goes to support her intent to abandon the child. I think it strengthens the current charges. In terms of fleeing, I don't know. That may be a gray area. It's not clear why she's in California. I don't know if she had to suddenly be there, something related to her military service. I don't think we have enough information on that. Uh, but I I don't understand how any parent can leave their child like that, be advised by authorities that the child is found in unsafe conditions, and just say, "Peace out. Not my problem." >> And by the way, maybe they have to continue this investigation and see what she was up to during this period of time. And if she did have knowledge that the police were after her, if anybody helped her and that those people helped her knowing she was wanted, this case could expand. >> Absolutely. It certainly can. But I think it is an open andsh shut case as to the charges that are now uh >> placed especially with her admission that she went on a hinge date. I mean I I can think of no more selfish an act when you have a young child. And what would it have cost her to find a competent, capable adult to watch this child if she so desperately needs to go out? Parenting is tough. Nobody can parent 24/7 all the time. And that is not the standard. The standard is to act like a reasonable human being. The standard is to find somebody, a family member, a friend, hire a babysitter. She clearly knows to hire a babysitter. She's hired this lady before. in the December prior. So, she's aware that this is an option. She just made a choice not to exercise that option. And that is not just a poor choice, it's a criminal choice in this case. >> And that's clear that knowledge component and also the pattern. So, you have this other former roommate saying, "I saw similar behavior. She was neglectful of the child." That's really problematic. It makes me wonder if she actually were to take this to trial. Again, I don't know what the defense would be. What could she be looking at in terms of a punishment? >> Right. So, if she's convicted of the lower level felony, she'd be looking at up to two years in uh prison. And she get >> I think this is pretty egregious. Um it would be up to the judge to decide the sentencing. I think the favorable factors are that she's got this military history and she has an employment history, but really I've seen clients who have a drug history be treated more favorably because there at least there's an excuse. You know, they're under the influence of a substance and they're exercising poor judgment because they're under the influence of a substance and they want to get treatment and they get treatment and then they're better. Here we're talking about somebody who under the facts that we know now is not under the influence of a substance. She is acting rationally except irrationally. Right? She's coherent. She's of clear mind and she's making a conscious and deliberate choice to put her own self-interests well ahead of a 16-month-old child. She wants to go on a date and she frankly does not care what happens to her child being two hours away with no ability to timely come back. It's it's really just a horrible selfish act. And I could see >> a judge when she's convicted finding those to be aggravating factors and sentencing her to a sentence that involves state jail time. any chance she could ever be reunited with her son in the future? >> So the standard for reuniting a parent with a child is what is in the best interest of the child and I think every parent should have the opportunity to be with their child and should be a positive influence on their child's life. Uh she is still a young woman. Um, clearly she's smart enough and capable enough to work as a parallegal and to have had served in the military. So, she has potential. I think she needs to um take parenting classes. I think she needs to mature and I think she needs to learn how to pawn that selfishness and narcissism and become a better parent. And I'm certain that eventually when those become priorities in her life and when she exhibits the desire to change, she should be able to establish in family court that she should have access to her child. Perhaps start with supervised visitation, eventually unsupervised visitation, and maybe she can have her child back. Certainly when her child is old enough, her child will be able to make that decision for himself. Uh, but separating a parent from a child permanently is a drastic measure. >> Florina Alshiler, thanks so much for coming on. I mean, I'm glad, look, at the very least, I'm glad this child is okay because this could have been a very different story that we were covering as you mentioned, but just a really, really bizarre series of explanations here. But Florina, thanks so much for coming on and breaking it down for us. Really, really appreciate it. >> This looks like the departed with uglier people. [screaming] Comedian Jeff Ross involved in a death penalty case. Law and crimes Allura Nanos comes on [music] to explain this unique legal issue. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Comedian Jeff Ross. That is a name that you expect to read maybe in the Entertainment tabloids, maybe on a Comedy Central roast lineup, but I bet you wouldn't have expected to read his name in a written brief to the United States Supreme Court. That is because he is involved in a death penalty case. Let me take a step back. Let me explain this. So, back in 2015, Jeff Ross visited the Brazos County Jail in Texas with a film crew where he spoke to the inmates. He did a stand-up performance. All of this for a comedy special. Now, one of the moments that was caught on film, but didn't actually end up in the final product, was an exchange that he had with a man named Gabriel Hall. Somebody was locked up. He was an inmate at the time. He was awaiting trial. And during their exchanges, they kind of riff off one of another and they call made a few interesting comments. Here is the problem. Only a few months after that taping, Hall would be found guilty of murdering Navy veteran Ed Char, shooting him and stabbing him to death and also the stabbing of his wife, Linda, in their home back in 2011. She actually survived. And according to Hall's attorneys, those comments that he made to Ross were improperly used against him during his sentencing where he was ultimately sentenced to death. So now they are appealing this. Let me bring in lawyer and writer at lawrime.com, Allora Nanos, one of my good friends, one of the first people that I met here at Law and Crime. All it's good to see you. >> Hey Jesse, it's great to see you, too. >> Do I have the facts right? Is that what happened here? I mean, what what did I leave out? No. Well, you left out one thing that to me seemed like kind of a big deal, which is that Gabriel Hall at the time of his trial was 18. So, putting aside how we feel about the death penalty sort of generally, um it's bizarre to me to think that prosecutors would take this unorthodox uh road to getting a death sentence against a teenager by using footage from a professional comedian inside the jail. The whole thing is bizarre. >> Well, here's the thing, right? So, I see it as a number of issues. The first issue I see, and correct me if I'm wrong, are his lawyer said no one should have contact with him without coming to us first without our consent. Right. And and didn't wasn't that a big issue that they had no idea that Jeff Ross was coming there and was about to speak to their client. >> That's right. It is a pretty big issue. And the the circumstances of Ross coming into that prison also seem pretty bizarre. So, um, first of all, the prison told all of the inmates that if as long as they sign a release, anyone who wants can be part of this comedy taping. Then the prison posted flyers around to basically encourage people to sign up and be involved. Then in comes a nine-person Comedy Central camera crew and Ross into the prison where according to to Hall's attorneys. They come in and go directly to Hall. So it wasn't sort of a general thing that just sort of happened and unfolded, it actually sounds like at least from their telling of it, this crew went in purposely to elicit some sort of statements from Hall. >> Well, well, they interviewed a bunch of people, but they didn't actually use him in the actual special. So, that's the part that confuses me. Why didn't they include him in the special? >> Well, my understanding is just that this whole section didn't air, and I'm I'm guessing that what happened is right after the taping, Hall's lawyers found out about it, started filing all sorts of petitions, and Comedy Central certainly wasn't going to get involved with any kind of liability >> because he was convicted of murder. And and and what were the problematic statements that Hall made to Russ? So, you know, reading over the transcript, because of course the tape's not available, but I've read over the transcript of what it says in in the tape, and you know, you could easily see how this is the kind of thing that would be very persuasive to a jury because essentially what it is is Ross asking Hall a bunch of questions about how he sees himself. You know, things like, you know, uh, would you ever hurt a fly? And he said, no, I'd never heard a fly. And and meanwhile, you know, he's he murdered someone in cold blood and almost killed another by stabbing her. Um >> Yeah. And just to follow up, didn't Ross come back with that and said, "Okay, you didn't hit a you wouldn't hurt a fly. What about a human?" And then Hall said, "Oh, they're annoying." >> Yeah. [laughter] Right. And and Ross said to him, "So like, what are you in here for? Uh like hacking somebody's computer?" And Hall says, "Yeah, something like that." I mean, it it's it's murder. It's nothing like hacking someone's computer. And and I do think that um I could see how that might be funny depending on the way that it's played in a comedy special. I also could see how it would be pretty dramatic when when shown to a jury that, you know, someone who committed such a horrendous and violent crime would then minimize it in that way. Um that it, you know, really is kind of telling about what he thinks about his misdeeds. >> See, here's the thing that I look at it. Free reign to use it. free reign to use it in my way in my because he chose to speak uh yes he was young but he chose to speak to Ross and you could say he was riffing off of it but to make these jokes when he is about to go on trial for a really sadistic crime and you know talking again just to follow up you know what are you in here for hacking somebody's computer something like that another inmate says uh hacking is the operative word um you know and he talks about how humans are annoying I I'm not sure how that could be a successful argument from his attorneys to say this shouldn't have been used. It's improper when I think it goes to his state of mind and it goes to whether or not he shows any kind of remorse. >> Oh, well, I think that you're right in terms of it being highly relevant. I I agree it's highly relevant to his state of mind. The problem is a it's likely overly prejuditial and b he had a right to counsel. And in this case, the prison really was the entity that um coordinated the logistics with Comedy Central. And you know, you're not supposed to do that without the person's attorney being present. So, I actually think it is a pretty serious sixth amendment issue about whether or not, you know, a a teenage inmate should have been allowed to do this without having an attorney present. And and here it's not like the attorney signed off on it and said, "Sure, go ahead, you know, go appear on camera." The attorney didn't even know about it. Um, so I think that that's actually very problematic. But Jesse, between you and me, I don't think the Supreme Court's going to take the case. >> You don't think they will? You don't think they're at least interested in hearing this? No, I don't think they're going to take the case. Uh, I mean, I could be wrong, but I just don't think that they're going to. And the reason why I don't think so is because I think it's a complicated issue. And I think that the justices are not going to be excited to use this case of this heinous murderer to then come out and make a statement about the Sixth Amendment and right to counsel. I think that if they had to rule on it, they likely would rule that Texas violated the law, but they're not going to want to do that in this case. >> Is that because what he did was such a terrible crime that you could say of course they were going to come back with the with the death penalty. Um, and and you know, if there was a situation where you had a defendant where it was kind of on the middle, but then you know, these comments came in and were the deciding factor, maybe that's a case that would take up. Am I looking at you see what I'm saying? >> I do think that that that is perhaps where it goes. Although I will say if we're going to characterize, you know, the heinousness of various violent crimes. Um we do have the fact that this guy Hall was only 18 and he does have kind of that standard background of major abuse and neglect, major trauma in his childhood. So it is the kind of case that would not have been a slam dunk for the death penalty. Um, but we've seen, especially in recent years, especially with this Supreme Court, the justices are very hesitant to get involved in death penalty cases, and they almost never rule to undo a death sentence at all. So, I don't think that they're going to I don't think this is the kind of case that they want to use to make a statement about. And even if they did take up the case, it's very unlikely that Hall sentence would ever get reversed based on this Supreme Court and how it usually makes death penalty decisions. >> You think Jeff Ross is any in any kind of jeopardy? Do you think he did anything wrong? His perspective, I would imagine based on what I'm reading is, hey, I was trying to, you know, go to the inmates, bring them some comedy. Um, yes, they committed horrible crimes, but they're humans as well. He I think he actually said one of the reasons he did is because he believes in second chances. you think he did anything wrong here? >> I mean, I think that there's a question of morally wrong versus legally wrong. Legally wrong, I don't see that he did anything wrong. He had the right to go in there. Um, you know, he was doing what he does, and I don't really see a legal problem with that. Um, you know, he didn't cause any any harm, per se. Um, and you're talking about, you know, should he should he feel sort of guilty about um, you know, contributing in some way to a death sentence for someone who was a heinous murderer? Um, I think we just as easily could be having a conversation about whether he should feel that he contributed to justice because many people probably think that is the outcome of this case. Um, but, you know, if I'm Jeff Ross, I don't want to be anywhere near anyone's death sentence. You know, I mean, I think that's really the issue at heart. It's not is it okay that he asked these questions? Is it okay that it was used in a Comedy Central special? I really think that the issue at heart is do we want to use creative uh methods of getting people sentenced to death. And I certainly don't want that. I think there's a lot of people who don't want that. And I would be shocked if I heard that Jeff Ross would want that. Um, so I mean I I wouldn't be surprised if he has at least mixed feelings about this, but I don't think that he's in any kind of legal jeopardy over it because I don't think he broke any laws or anything like that. >> And if I'm reading it correctly, I think at the time of this recording, Jeff Ross hasn't made a statement about it. Um, but it is a weird case. I think the Supreme Court might take it up. I you I could be wrong, but Allora, I need you to cover more of these kind of unique legal cases so I can have you back here on Cybar. It's always a pleasure having you talking to you and now I get to talk to you on sidebar. So, thanks so much. >> Stop. Get on the ground. >> Get on the ground. >> Let me ask you a question, Terry. I just want you to be honest with me. [music] >> Do you do drugs? No, sir. >> Don't smoke any pot? >> No, sir. >> There's a clear plastic baggie [music] with with some marijuana on it. >> Stop. >> Two on the ground. And I'm staying with the driver. >> Put the keys outside the door. Drop them. >> Hey, hey, hey, hey. >> Saying all the sober witnesses out here saying that you were the one driving. Okay, that's fine. I'm >> Stop. Stop. >> Get down on the ground. We got a call at an intersection straight ahead up here that there's a couple of juveniles possibly spray painting, tagging. So, we're going to go up here to see if we can uh catch him. >> 241. I got one subject running towards Hamlet. Stop. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. STRAIGHT DOWN. PUT YOUR HANDS RIGHT BEHIND YOUR BACK. You let my mom know I'm going to jail. >> What are you doing over in that building? >> There's a mattress in there that I was trying to lay down on. >> So, you're breaking in that building? Does that building belong to you? >> No, sir. >> You trespassing in that building? >> Yes or no? >> I'm sorry. Yes, sir. I don't belong in there. I'm sorry. I didn't know where to go. Sir, I'm going to jail, aren't I? >> We're going to figure out that here in a minute, buddy. Okay. >> Okay. I'm on probation, though. >> Why are you on probation? >> Burglary habitation. >> Burglary. Yes, sir. Cuz she kicked me out. >> Well, usually with your medication, you have some kind of prescription bottle with you guys. >> I know. I tried telling her that, but she took them. >> Stand up. Come on. >> Can you let my mom know that I'm going? >> Let's go. Straight out of here. You need to have a seat in the back of this car. Where's your mom live at? >> Right here. Where that guy is at? That's my little brother. >> Let me Let me ask you something real honestly. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> Are you on parole or probation right now? >> Probation. >> And you're on probation for the burglary? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Basically, what you're looking at is evading detention. Okay. Yes, sir. >> Not you. and possession of a dangerous drug for those pills that you got on you right now. >> They're my prescriptions, sir. >> Well, they're your prescriptions. That's something that you're going to have to genuinely prove in court. Cuz right now, I've got you with a baggie of pills wrapped up in a sandwich bag. Okay. Is there any Okay. Is there just listen to me, Gilbert? Okay. That's that's commonly how >> how street drugs are packaged and and held. Okay. Get people that have legitimate >> uh uses for prescription medication. They keep them in their bottles and they keep all that stuff with them and they keep their paperwork straight. Okay. Okay. They don't just carry them around in a sandwich bag wrapped up and stuffed in their pocket. >> I try to tell that to my wife because she don't want to she don't believe me. >> Where's your wife at right now? >> She's at home. >> Okay. Why are you not at home with your wife? >> Because we had got separated >> and she don't want me there. She said if I go there, she's going to call the cops on me. >> Okay. Where do you live at >> right now? I'm trying to find a place. >> Find a place. >> My mom don't want me here. >> I don't know where to go. >> That's why I was in there to see if I can sleep. >> All right. >> So, where am I? Wow. I'm going to jail. >> Yeah, you're going to go to jail >> for how long? Well, you'll you'll get to see Judge and you'll get to get a bond. Okay, sit tight for me, Goldil. Okay. All right. Hey, I just need to talk to mom. That's That's fine. Could he come to you to find somewhere to stay for the night? >> Well, the reason I don't want him coming over here. >> Yes, ma'am. >> He's tooken of my daughter's MP3 player. >> Okay. So, he's stolen from you guys before. Yeah. Why does he steal? Why does he have a theft problem? >> I don't know why he does that. >> Okay. >> I don't know. But I don't want the laws here cuz I'm paying them back at my sister's house. I'm paying rent. >> Okay. >> I don't want no problem with the law. Okay. >> I just got off the phone with his wife and his wife wants to know too >> where he's at or what's going on. >> What's going on? Cuz I told her they got him in the police car. >> Yeah. Well, you can let her He's going to go to jail for running from me. And then he also got some some thing, like I said, some things that are were found in his possession that are illegal that he's going to be charged with. Also, once he gets a bond set, you know, if his wife or whoever's willing to come to come set a bond for him, that, you know, that's up to her. She'll be able to do so. Okay. I appreciate your time. All right. Thank you. Okay, here's the deal, man. I talked to mom, okay? She understands what's going on. >> She honestly doesn't understand what you're doing over here either. She understand why you would run from me like that. Okay. She's going to let your wife know what's going on tonight and why you're going to jail, why you're being arrested. Okay. >> Okay. What is that, sir? >> I explain it to you. It's going to be for the evading. >> Okay. But Okay. I got permission. Okay. If if if I can get a hold of my wife and tell my wife to bring my pills, bottle to the account to downtown I drop that charge. >> That can be done later on. Sure. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um but you understand right now just having, you know, random pills wrapped up in a sandwich bag jammed in your back pocket just doesn't that doesn't cut it. Okay. >> See, I know that. >> Try telling that to her. >> She's going to get a hold of your wife. Your wife's probably going to be willing to come down there and post a bond for you and get you out. Okay. >> Stop. Stop. Why'd you drive around me like that? >> Get out OF MY FACE. LET ME >> YOU WANT TO ACT like this? You're going to get treated like this. I >> got called by an offduty officer. He's telling me there's a couple of guys smoking marijuana in a blue car up here by the park. 57. Go 54. >> Go ahead. >> Stop. Stop. 57 standby. 57 out with 737. We're at 29 and Tyler. Go ahead and start me. >> What's your problem, buddy? Why'd you drive around me like that? >> I didn't see your lights. >> It doesn't matter if I have my lights on or not, man. car. A cop car pulls right up in front of you and then I point at you and yell at you, "Stop." >> Let me see some ID. Y'all got any marijuana in the car? Cuz I smell it. >> No. You want to step out of the car? Do >> you have any weapons on you or anything? >> Do not do >> Turn around. Chance behind your back. >> Step right around here and have a seat. Step out. Turn around for a chance. Find your back. The reason y'all getting put in cuss is because he tried to drive off from me and because it's just me right now and there's three of y'all. Okay, >> step back. Step right over here and have a seat. >> Have a seat. Step out. Step right back over here. Kristen, chill, please. >> Have a seat on the curb right there. >> It's fine. You need to calm down. >> I'll tell you. >> Okay. I was going to go ahead. Go ahead. >> $5. Like a little blunt for $5 and we were smoking. I'll tell you that. >> Who was smoking it? You. Everybody. >> No, just me and him over there. >> Just you and him. Okay. Did you already smoke at all? Is there any more in the car? >> Well, there's a little bit. >> There's a little bit more in the car. >> There's not. >> Okay. I thank you for your honesty. Okay. The driver sitting in the middle. He admitted that they'd been smoking some weed. The girl's only 15, so we're going to have to go and get her mom. She said they don't have a phone at the house. >> What' y'all do with that marijuana? >> Well, we were smoking it and then got stopped. So, >> did y'all throw it out or what y'all do with it? >> No. No, sir. No sir. >> Where's it at? >> It was uh in the cup. >> Did you check the cup on the dash? The mariju dropped it in. It's down in there. >> Well, is it a joint? >> Yeah. >> And you, young lady, you're 15. You ought to know better. >> I didn't do anything. >> You think I'm okay? >> Whatever. >> Look, you're about to >> get out of my face. Get out of my face. >> GET OUT OF MY FACE. [screaming] LET ME GO. >> SIT DOWN. >> Oh my god. >> No. Don't pass me. >> You want to act like this, you're going to get treated like this. Do you understand? Turn around and have a seat. She needs a misdemeanor site. It'll be for possession of uh tobacco. >> Okay. >> She's 15. You influenced her by smoking dope around a 15year-old girl which is endangering a child which could be construed as a felony offense. >> Do you have anything in your pockets you're not supposed to have? >> Stand up for me. >> He was sir. >> His driver's license is no good. >> Okay. >> Let's stick him in jail in traffic. >> Okay. Well, >> what do you miss driver's license? What? No good. >> How? >> I don't know. your driver's license. You told >> Yes, sir. It is good. I got it at Boys. DPS just told me it's not good. >> You're going to give her a misdemeanor site for possession? >> Yeah. And then we'll release her to mom. >> Here's mom. The driver and the passenger are going to be going to jail for uh possession of paraphernalia and the driver also for the uh for his driver's license being suspended. As far as your daughter goes, she's getting a citation today for minor possession of tobacco. >> She had made the statement that prior to leaving your house, you told her, "Don't be out doing drugs and don't be doing nothing stupid." get in trouble with the cops. And apparently she took y'all for granted. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We're downtown. Going to do a area check. Make sure nobody's fighting or anything. Looks like we got a fight right here. We'll get out and check it out. Chill out. Chill out. Chill out. Hey. >> Hey. Come here. Come here. Get back. Get back. Put your hand behind your back. Don't touch me. Stay down. >> Step it up. >> It's too late. YOU WANT TO FIGHT WITH THE COPS RIGHT HERE? YOU CAN GO DOWN. I GOT TAS got it. BEHIND your back. >> Put your hand behind your back. >> Put your other HAND BEHIND YOUR BACK. >> GIVE IT BACK. >> I didn't do anything. >> I didn't do anything. What are you doing? >> What were we all fighting about? >> I have no idea. >> You have no idea what you were fighting about? >> No, I didn't start a fight with you, man. >> When I pulled you off of them and I said, "Stop fighting." Then you continue to fight. You grabbed a hold of my leg. >> I'm sorry, dude. But I did not start a fight with you. >> You were fighting out here? >> Yeah, but like I'm not starting a fight with you at all. I didn't mean to at all. So, I'm sorry. >> You not understand what a police uniform is? Like >> that we're police officers. Have a seat. That's fine, dude. But like I did not satisfy with you at all. >> Sit down. >> You understand why we tased you? >> No. >> We told you to quit. You wouldn't stop resisting. You jumped up. >> I did not jump up. >> You jumped up. >> You threw me on the ground. >> You're right. I threw you on the ground. I was trying to put you under arrest. >> Exactly. But like you kept fighting and I did not try to fight with anybody. >> Okay. Well, put your foot in there. >> Yeah. So, you the bouncer? >> Yeah, I'm the bouncer. >> What happened? >> He was the one that He was the one that was on the back of your shirt. That's why I took him and I slammed him on the ground. >> The one in the black and red shirt. >> The one in the black and red shirt was the one on the back of you trying to help his friend out. So, I took him and I slammed him to the ground. >> Why were they fighting? >> He threw a punch before y'all even rolled up. >> Why were they fighting in the club? >> Because his one of them, one of these guys that's in the police car bumped into the other partner. That's why I put them out first instead instead of the other partner. >> Okay. So, those two guys are buds and they were fighting. >> Yeah, these two guys are buds and they were fighting. Okay. >> So, that's why I took him and slammed him on the ground because he asked you about the man. >> Cool. All right. >> Why didn't you stop fighting? What you knew was >> like I didn't interact with you at all. >> You didn't You didn't >> I did not. >> You didn't feel me throw you to the ground and tell you to quit fighting. >> You threw me on the ground and you >> No, dude. >> You know why you got tased? Cuz you wouldn't stop resistant arrest. >> Don't tell me that. Like all I did is like walk on the sidewalk and say, "We need to go home. Like I need to go home to my kids. I need to go home to my children. Like I do not want to fight with anybody. I do not want to interact with anybody. All I want to do is go home. And you shocked out of me, dude. Like why would you do that? >> Cuz you were fighting. >> No, you know, I did not. I did not interact with you at all. All I said is leave me alone. >> We told you to put your hands behind your back and you wouldn't stop. >> And all you did is grab me and throw me on the floor. Well, I'm not going to argue I'm not going to argue with you because I'm right. >> Well, I'm not going to argue with you because I'm right. You're wrong. You're going to jail. Have a good night. >> Right now, my dispatcher is telling me you have a warrant through Noasis County for terroristic threats. Why is it you don't want me to look in your car? >> I just don't. >> We're going to check behind this restaurant here. Make sure there's nobody hanging out here that shouldn't be here this late at night. There's a car here. I'm going to stop him. See what they're doing. Charlie 321. >> How you doing? >> Great. How are you? >> What What are you doing back here? >> My boyfriend and I got a notified I just left the house right now. >> You just left the house. Is there anybody else in here with you? >> No. >> Okay. All right. What are you doing in the parking lot here? >> I was using the phone. I didn't want to I was kind of upset, so I stopped to use my cell phone. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. The reason I stopped you cuz you're in the parking lot of a business that's closed. >> Yeah. I didn't want to be driving on the phone cuz I was kind of upset. But I'm going to grab something to eat at Taco Bell right here. >> Okay. And do me a favor. Turn your car off for me, please. >> Sure. >> Yeah. You have a license? >> Yes, sir. >> Can I see that, please? >> Yes, sir. >> Where do we live? >> Off Dodie, sir. >> Okay. What brings you to this parking lot? Why Why are you here? >> Cuz this is the first place I came to stop. >> And where were you fighting with your boyfriend at on my house? >> On Dodie? Yes, sir. >> Okay. Well, I mean, it's quite a ways from Dodie. >> Yeah. It's just the first place I could pull into. >> Okay. I'll be right back with you. Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> I'm just going to run her uh check for warrants. She seemed a little bit nervous. Her hand was shaking a little bit. Don't have a whole lot on her other than the fact that she's in this parking lot. It's closed right now. >> Have you ever been arrested for anything? >> Yes, sir. >> For what? >> The last time we got into a fight. >> You ever been arrested for drugs? >> No, sir. Yeah. You wouldn't be back here doing drugs back here, would you? No, sir. >> Do me a favor and just stand by right there, please. If you want to have a seat on your bump, you can have a seat. >> So, you've never been arrested for anything at all? Just an assault? >> Well, it wasn't assault. I think it was just domestic violence. >> Okay. Well, that would be an assault. If you got arrested, it probably assault. Let me ask you a question, Terry. I just want you to be honest with me. >> Do you do drugs? >> No, sir. >> Don't smoke any pot? >> No, sir. >> Nothing at all? >> No, sir. >> Let Let me see your arms. The reason I ask is because of the story you're giving me that you pulled over just to use your cell phone. I mean, this parking lot is kind of way out of the way. You know what I mean? There are plenty of other parking lots up and down Everheart you could have pulled over to use the phone. This you kind of have to look for this one. >> 80 is showing positive or terroristic threats. Bond is $500. >> Did you get arrested maybe for terroristic threats? >> Yeah, they contacted me today. I'm supposed to go out to the precinct in the bluff tomorrow to go speak with a lieutenant. Okay, Terry, are there any drugs in your car? >> No, sir. >> Mind if I take a look? >> I do mine. >> You do mine? Social so we can confirm it that way. >> Okay. Well, that's fine, Terry, because right now my dispatcher is telling me you have a warrant through Noaceious County for terroristic threats. So, go ahead and put your hand behind your back. >> Okay. >> Why is it you don't want me to look in your car? >> I just don't. >> There drugs in there, Terry? >> No, sir. >> Sure about that? >> I'm positive. >> If I'm going to impound you, fire, I'm going to take a look. Okay. So, if there are, just let me know now and we can stop playing this game. Okay. >> No, sir. There's not. >> Okay. Highway 450. >> It's going to be 29 through Noy County. There we go. Some marijuana on the floorboard. That's pretty much in plain view. Ah, it's not very much personal use stuff. Very tightly packed. My guess is she's probably going to just park back here and smoke a joint. She probably did have an argument with her boyfriend and stressed out and that's how she's going to handle it. Unfortunately, it's illegal. >> Hey, Terry. >> Yes, sir. >> I asked you earlier if you had any drugs. Okay. And right there on the passenger floorboard, there's a clear plastic baggie was with some marijuana on it. Some of the marijuana. The bag was open. It was spilled out. >> I left in such a blaze of glory. Like, you know, like I said, I got out and this was the first spot I could get to to calm down and use the phone. I thought it was the right thing to do to pull over and use the phone, but >> Okay. You weren't back here maybe wanting to smoke a little weed >> to calm yourself down. >> I guess he was already in there when I left. >> Who else uses your car? >> Well, there's a some My boyfriend and his friend use the car all the time. >> So, you're telling me that there's a chance that this is his weed? >> I don't know whose weed it is. >> Okay. Do you smoke weed? >> No. >> Not every once in a while? >> Never. >> Terry? >> Never. >> You're going to be charged with possession of marijuana as well. >> Put your hands up. Shut the car off. Stop. I got fresh bullet holes all down the right rear quarter. >> The boy pulled out his gun and clicked, but it wouldn't shoot. >> Primer gray station wagon kind of beat up with four black males in it. Just attempted to shoot a another black male in front of the grocery store several blocks from here. I think that vehicle just pulled out in front of us. >> Need a sound? Not yet, but I do need a unit to get with me if there's signal 32. It's going to be stopping here. >> Stop. Blue shirt, black male, white shirt. Stop. Two on the ground. I'm staying with the driver. Running westbound. Put your hands up and shut the car off. Shut it off. Step on out here. Turn around. Get face down on the ground. This ain't a game. Turn around. Interlock your fingers on top of your head. >> Turn around and put your hands on top of your head. >> Put your hands on top of your head. >> Keep your hands on top of your head. >> Got nothing, man. >> Do what I tell you. >> Step it up. When I tell you to put your hands on top of your head, put your hands on top of your head. You ain't running. Go get the other two. >> Where'd they go? >> They ran. They're way down there. >> HOLD UP, MAN. WHERE'S MY IDIOT? >> You got any weapons on you? >> I don't got no weapons, man. >> Why'd your partners run? >> I don't know. >> Turn to your side. How come you don't listen to me? >> Who me? I thought he said get out the car. >> Go to the other side. I don't got nothing. >> You going to run on me? Who me? >> I was going to run on you. I don't got no reason to run. >> I don't got no reason to run, man. >> I don't got no reason to run. >> George 12. I've got a bunch of rounds. I haven't found a weapon yet, but I got fresh bullet holes all down the right rear quarter and the tires flat from being shot. Also, this is more than likely this one's going to be involved. >> Go ahead. >> They got rounds in the front seat. Now, I'm trying to locate a gun. If we got witnesses of your car with you driving it, Primal Gray station wagon. occupied three to four times. Three three to four black males. So, >> I like I say, I went and did nothing. I don't even know what happened. They just br that car. >> You can stick with that then. >> What happened? >> We was up at the store. My We was talking to my little brother. We pulled out. We seen the car pull up in and I was we standing there and I'm looking out the window and I'm asking my little brother. I was like, "No, he he didn't say nothing." So, we make a U-turn come back up in the store. By that time I jumped out, he like, "I'm not in no game." The boy pulled out his gun and clicked, but it wouldn't shoot. He had a blue shirt on. He was the driver. It was about four or five people. >> What kind of gun did he have? >> He had like a revival, like a 38 or something like that. It was black. >> Black revolver. >> How many other people were with him? >> It was like four or five other people. One of the people jumped out the car. It was a person with no shirt on. It was the one with a white t-shirt on. Then the one that had on the baby blue t the blue t-shirt. It wasn't like a royal blue and it wasn't a baby blue. It's like in between. >> Okay. >> You can identify the guy who had the handgun. >> Yes. >> All right. We got him over here. Step on out. Is that him? >> Yes, sir. >> Have a seat. >> That's the people you were pointing the gun at. >> I don't know what they sit down. I told you. Student went back. >> What do you say now? >> Man, I'm thinking like this. >> Let me just tell you what I got. The car with bullet holes in it. Bullets in the car. Two people running. Two people just now looked at you and said, "You're the guy that pulled a revolver on them and tried to shoot them." You got revolver ammunition in your car. >> If I got a revolver in in this, right? >> Uh-huh. And I shot at somebody. >> Who would have pissed that? >> Do you understand what you're going for? >> What? >> Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. >> Man, no. I can't go back for that, man. >> Huh? >> I can't go back for that. I just get out. >> I just get after that, man. And I beat that cuz I ain't do nothing, man. I ain't do nothing. >> Well, we're saying you did. And that'll be up to you judge and the jury and your attorney. >> Yeah. You know, the jury ain't going to be on my side. >> Well, >> only saying I ain't do nothing. >> All right. That's dy noted. All right, got one of our officers behind a stolen vehicle. So, we're going to get behind him and get some other units in the area so we can stop him. Get everybody in custody if they don't run. >> Turn off the vehicle. PUT THE KEYS OUTSIDE THE DOOR. DROP THEM. >> Drop the keys. >> Driver, from the OUTSIDE OF THE DOOR, OPEN IT UP. KEEP YOUR hands in the air where we can see them. >> Walk backwards. >> Stop. >> Go down to one knee. Go down your other knee. >> Put your hands behind your back. Bend over at the waist. Don't move. Look away from me. Look towards the van. >> I can't talk. Stolen vehicle right now. We're just going to check it. Looks like the keys were in it. She took the keys out when we stopped her. It might be what we call a dope rental, crack rental. >> Somebody lends their vehicle to somebody for some crack or whatever the drug of choice is. >> And then they just never bring it back. >> I don't know what's going on. >> You don't know what's going on, >> sir? I do not. >> Whose car is that? >> It's a guy named Ty. He brought that car to me yesterday to my house. He said that he wanted me to drive his van while he went and got his car. He He took his car in great mine yesterday. >> Okay. Well, why'd he let you borrow the vehicle? What' you need it for? >> I didn't I didn't ask him to borrow it. He brought it to me. >> So, you didn't think anything was up when he just said, "Here, take this vehicle for me." >> No idea. >> I didn't know what to think. He I was h so happy. I didn't even walk anymore. >> Yeah. Somebody's hair on those things. I was afraid to put my fingers in here. No. What do you know? >> Pipe. >> Straight shooter. >> That's a designer pipe there. >> Does it got anything in the end of it? >> Boy in the end of it. >> That's why I found that push rod up in the center console. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I found that >> push rod and the crack >> in the crack pipe. So, either they hadn't scored today or they scored and already smoked it. Guess she doesn't want to cooperate now. >> She had to change. >> She's slipping her. She trying to slip her cuffs. >> They got a sock. >> QUIT MOVING. >> NO. LET ME GO. >> Quit moving. Let me go. It hurt my neck again. >> Quit moving. You can breathe. You're talking. >> You keep slamming your head into the car. We don't have >> this. >> Don't try to kick the ass. You understand? >> Okay. >> Shut up. >> I'm just making sure. >> Shut up. >> I just know I'm not scrolling down for this. Period. >> Didn't I explain everything to you? >> No, you did. >> Yes, I did. [laughter] >> Get away. >> Quit struggling against him. THEY WON'T HELP. >> I got the light. You just hook him up. SIT BACK. [screaming] >> RELAX. >> YOU'RE JOKING ME. YOU STUPID. WAKE UP MY [screaming] ARM. ALL RIGHT, >> chill out. >> My wrist. >> Chill out. [screaming] >> MY WRIST ARE BLEEDING. >> THAT'S CUZ YOU'RE MOVING MOUTH. >> Now she's decided to start resisting transport. So, we're trying to buckle her in so she can't hurt HERSELF OR DAMAGE. PLEASE GO MY ARM. STUPID. I can't breathe. >> There you go. RELAX. >> She's going to be transported down to our city jail. Hopefully, she'll get down there without damaging the vehicle or hurting herself. Hey, Mike. >> Yeah. Just give her a little bit of air. Might calm her down, too. >> Clean it. >> Here we go. Back in this particular area, we've got uh girls that prostitute and guys that prostitute back behind these uh smaller motel along the boulevard here. >> She walked across the street. You couldn't tell what Jordan. >> Hey, come here. >> I don't know. What are you doing? >> You're walking up to cars. >> That's my uncle. >> That's your uncle? >> Yeah. >> So, when I stop him, he's going to tell me he's your uncle. Stand right there. >> Yeah. I'm That's my uncle. >> Hey, pull over. That's your uncle? >> Yeah. He looks pretty white. Sit on the hood of my car right there, dear. Hey, hey, hey. 464. I got someone running. Hey, stop on the ground. Don't move. 464 on Northwest night. I run. Get down. GET DOWN. GET ON THE GROUND. [screaming] >> Roll over. >> Roll over. >> Give me your hand. What am I going to jail for? >> For running from me. >> Uh I did this. Uh I'm going to up county >> 464. >> I can't go to jail. >> Got one in custody for running just uh south of the AISD building that houses the buses. Trying to roll over there. >> Can you play the good? Come on. Get on your feet. Ready? >> Yeah. >> Get your foot under you. Come on. >> Hop up. >> Ready. >> Okay. >> One, two, >> two, >> three. There you go. >> Can you get my shoe and stuff? >> I'll get your shoes. >> Make sure my money and stuff is in there. >> Why are you running from me? >> Because the fact that I don't want to go to jail. >> So you run? >> Yeah. Cuz I ain't did nothing. >> Hold still. Hold still. >> I don't like going to jail. We got out of jail. Got to go to city. Oh lord. >> Flash camera, too. >> I'm going to I'm going to put the county now. I'm going to put the county. Can you get my stuff? >> Yeah, I'll get it. Come here. >> Can you get my stuff? Can you get my stuff, please? >> Sticker in your car, >> please. >> I'll get your stuff. >> I don't want to go to the jail. [panting] looking far over there. Yeah, there's the taser wire. One hit in hit that purse, obviously. >> The other one, I think, actually hit her in the arm, but uh didn't make a connection. [sighs] Here's her Potter County wristband crack pipe. So, one got there and the other one got purse that he was carrying. Is there a bullet in there? >> No, there's no bullet in there. >> No, it's not going to hurt. You didn't feel it go in, did you? You ain't going to feel it coming out either. >> Hold that light. >> Okay. Hold still. >> So, you didn't feel that, did you? >> No. >> Turn around. Let me see the front of you. >> Let me see your face. You're not banged up anywhere in your face, are you? Is it a wig you're wearing? >> No. It's >> It's your hair. >> Yeah. >> How come you What are you doing out here? >> What am I doing? >> Yeah. Talking to people in cars that you don't even know. >> No. Um, tell the truth. Um, I got bills to pay or whatever. And, um, I have kids to take care of and I'm trying to take care of my kid. My kid needed diapers. So, I was out here doing what I do. >> And what's that? Prostituting? >> No. >> Okay. What are you doing? >> Um, I have a boyfriend that's supposed to be picking me up like 5 miles from here. >> And yet, I was waiting for him. And my boyfriend name is Raven. >> So, what are you doing flagging this guy? >> Um, he stopped me and um, he gave me fa so I took it and I don't care. I don't turn down no money. What did he give you $5 for? >> $5? I don't know. >> He said, "Here, you give me five bucks." >> Yeah. He just said, "Give me five." He gave five bucks. >> So, you're not out here prostituting? >> No, >> you're not. >> I don't know. We both went and I don't know. I'm not. >> Okay. You understand you're going to jail, right? >> Yeah. >> From running for me, for being in the street in the crack. Okay. >> All the witnesses out here say that you were the one driving, right? >> No, it wasn't me. >> You got out of the car screaming and everything else and then took off running. >> It was I was the passenger. uh responding to a major traffic accident, a vehicle versus a motorcycle. Uh the callers on scene are saying that the motorcycle driver is down and that a Hispanic or white female has run from the scene of the second vehicle that was involved. >> They load him up. the guy in the right here in the in the red hat right behind you by that dryer. >> He got a full. >> All right. >> Hey, man. What's the What does What does she look like? >> She's got a gray t-shirt. >> Okay. >> And blue jeans, brown hair, >> white. She looked white, but she took off running this way. >> Okay. >> So, >> and we didn't see where she went after she went running. >> She She went through there. I was dealing with him. >> Hey, Von, is she in this one? >> There's a catch on my car. Please tell me she didn't kill anybody. >> No, she she didn't kill anybody. >> Okay. Thank >> Who's Jessica? >> Thank you, God. >> Jessica was her name is a friend that I know of in the bar. She dropped my car. >> You know that all the witnesses out here say that you were the one driving, right? >> No, it was not me. >> Okay. I'm saying all the sober witnesses out here saying that you were the one driving. >> Not me driving. >> Okay, that's fine. You're not the one driving. >> I'm not saying you are didn't. I'm telling you that all the witnesses out here say that you got out of the car, ran over to a house over here screaming and everything else and then took off running. >> It was I was the passenger. >> Okay, then why did you run from the police? >> Cuz I ran cuz I You didn't know it was in the I didn't know what to do. >> People don't run when they know what to do. >> I didn't know what to do. >> That's not normal. That's not a normal response. >> I didn't know what to do. I really didn't know what to do. I've never been in that kind of situation. >> I really have never been in that kind of situ. But you're not having any problem now that you're sitting here talking to us, telling us who was driving and what happened. >> Oh, man. >> That's what I'm saying though. >> I'm scared of death. >> Have her step out. >> Hey, step out. >> Step right over here by me, Amy. >> Stand over here next to this officer. >> Yes, sir. >> Right here. Look straight at that light right there. I >> can't. Okay. Okay. >> The witnesses say that you were the one driving right here. So, you were the passenger in the car? >> Yes, sir. >> And Jessica was driving. >> Where does she live? >> I'm not quite sure. She's one of my cousin's ex-girlfriends. >> Okay. And you met her at the bar tonight? Is that what you said? >> Yeah, I saw her at the bar. Yeah. >> You saw her at the bar and then what? And she drove home. >> Where's home? >> May I live at 326? >> Why are you over here at 17th in Western? >> Cuz I was driving her home. >> You were driving her home. >> Where she was driving herself home? >> Okay, you need to start being honest. You fix >> Yeah, that's I mean I was with her. I was going to say the night. >> Okay, but you just said I was driving her home. >> Well, my Okay. My cousin Alex lives with my grandmother. >> You just now said to me I was driving her home. You just now Okay, that's not what you said, though. You Okay, that's not what you said. lying about what happened running after you nearly kill somebody after you're driving. That's not good. Okay, I'm just I'm just letting you know. I'm just letting you know. Okay, I'm just letting you know. >> That was not >> That was nothing. >> Well, the funny thing about that is she's got an injury to her left arm, upper bicep, and you got this blood over here on this side that extends out here in an area where maybe she had her arm hanging out when she crossed the line. >> All right, Amy, listen to me. Here's what's going to happen. Listen to me. I'm listening. >> Everybody out here, including me, believes you were driving that vehicle. We're going to take your blood and we're going to test it for the al the amount of alcohol that's in your system, and it's going to show that you're over the legal limit, and you're going to go to jail for it. Okay? So, that's what's going to happen. All right. I just talked to the uh officers that are out the hospital with the guy that was on the motorcycle. Uh they said he's probably going to live, but he's possibly going to lose a leg. Don't drink and drive, but people do it every day. And this is the result of it. >> Yes. I deserve to go to jail because I ran into the store and I grabbed a 16 out. What happened to the window? >> I end up breaking out the window. >> My son didn't want to fight or nothing. >> We just got sent to a uh disturbance call. The trailer park is advising that uh people are fighting. They're She's afraid they're going to hurt her. 43 Frank 30. Have the other unit step it up. Get your hands out of your pockets. >> Stop. Stop. >> Stop. >> Stop. >> Get down on the ground. >> You, too, brother. Get down. >> Get down. Hands out. >> That's fine. Get down. Get down. All the way down, fella. Like I said, >> I need this boy here. >> Be quiet. Be quiet. >> Be quiet. >> We just robbed the store now. >> Be quiet. >> Okay. Just stay loose. Stay cool. >> Feeling bad. >> Yeah, I'm the police. Get down. >> Frank, 30 units are out. We got two detained. We're under control now. >> I didn't expect my father to go psycho on me and my aunt. >> What store is he allegedly robbed? >> Down here. Down here. The people know me. He went in there, grabbed beer, stole beer, ran down the street. >> So, he didn't rob? >> Just now? >> He just he just stole some beer? >> Yeah, he ran the store with the beer with it. They know that's my son. >> Yeah, I came down. >> Can you hold this? Let me go check on the trailer cuz whoever was calling. What trailer you in? 16. >> 16. >> All right. Just stay loose. I'll be >> down there. Give him >> sheriff's office. >> I haven't already. >> Hey there. You okay? >> Huh? >> You scared me. >> You're scared? >> You okay? Come here. Come here. Can you sit down or no? Babe, >> he I I lock the doors and I don't want them back in my house. >> Yeah. >> And [snorts] Paul, he even though I was bus breaking out my window. >> Who's Paul? >> Is Paul the young one or the older one? The older one. Does he live here? >> No. >> So why is he here tearing up your stuff? >> Well, I I was in the process moving and stuff, you know, a sister didn't live in. Is anybody else here? >> No, just me and my disability dog back there. >> Yes, ma'am. Okay. >> It's just his son. You know, his son didn't want to fight or nothing. >> But Paul wouldn't have that, huh? >> No. >> Yes, ma'am. All right, Trish. Hang on right here. Okay. I'll be right back. >> Tell me what happened here tonight, Nathan. >> Well, me and my father went out in the convenience store. >> He was going to buy a six-ack of beer and he's been drinking. I mean, he has alcohol problems. Okay. He's been drinking since 8 this morning. Haven't seen my father in 4 years. >> And I give him I give him $5 to get himself a six-pack, >> right? Okay. >> And then he he doesn't do that. >> And then [snorts] I got in a rage and yes, I deserve to go to jail because I ran into the store and I grabbed a 16 ounce. But when I ran down the street, the lady came down and said, "Just give me $3." I gave her $10. And she went on her way. >> Okay. And I took my 169 back home. >> And when I got home, he came home. >> Okay. >> And hit me in my face. >> All right. >> And then he punched out my aunt's window. >> Uh-huh. >> All right, Nathan. I'll be back in a minute. >> Thank you, sir. >> Okay. >> So, what's going on here tonight, Paul? Let me hear your side of it now that everything's calmed down. Um, I just went to the store up there and my my son, the lady came out there and she goes, "You know, your son just stole beer out of the store." >> Mhm. >> And then comes back up there and tells me that he paid her the money for the beer that he stole. >> What happened to the trailer? >> Oh, Nathan was down there. One thing led to another thing. >> That don't tell me anything. What happened to the window? Specifically, tell me what happened to the window. >> I ended up breaking out the window. >> You ended up breaking out the window. Why? >> Actually trying to get Nathan out of there. trying to get Nathan out of there. Well, there's been property damage. There's been some assaulting going on. That means that some people have been getting hit. >> Okay. >> I got hit. >> Well, I'm hearing a different story. So, now you're saying that y'all didn't get into it at all. >> We hauled and sprinted each other. >> Y'all didn't push on each other. Didn't hit each other. You didn't drag him out of that trailer. >> I didn't drag. No, he ran. >> Well, this is what's going to go on. Okay. Your property, her [music] property, whatever. You're going to go to jail tonight. And so is he. Okay, stay loose. >> Fell out. >> Hey, DO NOT GET HER FREE. GET HER. PUT YOUR HANDS UP. PUT YOUR HANDS UP. SO, you know where your eyes are at her. All units are currently entering the 52 mile per hour zone. Approaching the curve and spike on our unit on the bike. >> Might be bailing out here. We're down pretty slow. The roadway is going to be the east 500 miles south toward you by 30. You have any weapons on you? >> Yes. >> Put her in mine. Freda, make sure you search her. You're under arrest for human smuggling and evading. >> Hi there. You okay? >> Oh yeah. Yeah, man. I am. >> What's your name, sir? walking on my right shoulder. >> Oh, officer D. Roger, San Antonio Police Department, if you're curious. >> Okay. >> You all right? >> No, no, I'm >> What happened? >> Oh, man. I am like shoot. >> Do you need an ambulance? >> No. No, I'm not. Is there anyone home that can come out and help you out? >> No. Um I'm I'm sorry. >> Do you realize your Jeep's still running? >> Oh [ __ ] >> Is your name Clayton? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you realize you were potentially involved in a motor vehicle accident tonight, Clayton? >> No. >> Can you sit up? >> No. >> Do you want help sitting up? >> No. Well, I can't exactly leave you like this. >> Oh, shoot, >> man. >> Here's it. If you can't stand up on your own, I'm going to have to call an ambulance cuz I can't leave you with an inability to care for yourself. >> No, >> I'm sorry. >> How about this? Try sitting up. Let's start with that. >> All right. >> Hey, we're making progress. >> Oh, shoot. >> Do you have ID on you, Clayton? >> No. No, I'm not. and 41206 Iowa Street. >> Yes or no question. Not a am or aren't. Do you have ID on you? >> No, I don't. >> Do you have a driver's license? >> No. >> But you were out driving. >> No, I'm not. >> No, not right now. But you were out earlier. >> No, >> cuz I have a description that you match at a Bill Miller's. I have a receipt from right behind your vehicle with some groceries from earlier today. >> Okay. >> And when I said you left your vehicle running, you reacted in such a way that would lead me to believe that you were operating it earlier. >> So, if you don't have a driver's license, why are you out driving? >> Oh, shoot. >> I'm going ask another question. It appears that you might have been driving while intoxicated. So, if you don't have a driver's license, >> that would be an even worse decision. Wouldn't you agree? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you stand up? >> No. >> Have you been drinking tonight? >> Oh, no. I'm just I'm trying to get into my house. >> Okay. >> So, why is that so difficult? Well, sorry. >> It's an honest question. >> You know what time it is right now? >> No, I don't even know what time it is. >> Were you driving earlier? >> No. >> Who was? Copy 221929. >> Not going to lie, I I ask a lot of questions that I already know the answer to. >> Yeah. >> So, the more you lie to me, just the harder this is. >> Yeah. >> For you. Easier for me. Harder for you, >> right? >> So, who was driving? >> Not me. >> Not you. >> No. >> Who was? And what kind of bum friend do you have that would leave you lying in your backyard? Well, >> I'm back here and I just I'm sorry. >> I'm surprised you haven't even asked about the people that you hit if they're okay or not. >> What? >> Yeah, you were involved in a motor vehicle crash tonight. At least your vehicle was. So, I'm going to call an ambulance out cuz at this point I can't just leave you here. >> Okay. >> So, we'll go from there. >> All right. 31 31 >> 31 31 Good. >> Can you start me EMS to my location? >> Clayton, let's start with your last name. >> Clayton Perry. >> Clayton Perry. >> Yes. >> P E R R Y. >> Yes. >> What's your date of birth, sir? do you have a good phone number? >> Yes. >> What is that? >> Um, well, okay. >> Do you not remember it? >> Well, no. I >> No, I got that phone number. >> I'm sorry. a good phone number. >> While you think about that, would you like me to turn your vehicle off? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Don't go anywhere. >> Okay. >> Do you have the key fob with you or is it in the car somewhere? >> Sorry. >> Do you have the key fob with you or is it in the vehicle somewhere? >> All right. It must have been in >> Okay. I found your wallet, I'm presuming. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Is it okay if I grab your driver's license out of here? >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay. >> So, where were you coming from before here? Uh, shoot. Do Do me a favor. Either have a seat in the chair or on the steps. How about that? Okay. Glad to see you standing, though. >> Yeah. >> Do you want have a seat? >> Yeah. Okay. Yes. >> Here's your wallet. >> Thank you. >> I just have a driver's license. I'm going to hang on to that for just a moment. >> So, what what happened this evening that led us to >> here? >> Well, I just came on home from where? >> Yeah, I was on now. Okay. >> Are you normally this fuzzy on details? >> No. No. No. No. >> Okay. Are you just avoiding my question or are you confused? >> No, that's more of a medical concern than anything. >> Chase Bank. You didn't have a address for the Chase Bank. >> Had a good time. >> Right there in the alley. >> Where? from >> from well >> from um >> what >> well just right >> okay so you're having a good time right down the road you're talking like Mud Creek elementary school Miller like where how far down the road >> uh from um just right down the road. >> Were you at a business, a friend's house, hanging out on the side of the road? >> Nope. From um let's see, where was I? Dang. >> When you were having this good time, how much did you have to drink? >> Well, I had a good time. >> What does that mean? >> Just had a good time. What does that mean? >> Well, had a good time. >> Was it the people you were with, the beverages you were drinking, the music you were tapping your foot to? Like, what what does that mean? >> Yeah. Had a good time. Had a good time. >> Okay. So, who were you having this good time with? Well, from uh well, shoot just a good time. >> Okay, I'll ask again. I already know the answer, but I'm just waiting for you to admit it. Who is driving your vehicle tonight? >> Well, I didn't have any anybody here tonight. >> Does that mean you were driving your vehicle tonight? >> No. So, who do you trust enough to drive your vehicle, but then who's going to leave you laying in your backyard? >> Well, I was I was coming on home, >> right? >> Yep. >> But who was driving? >> Nope. Not me. >> Not you. >> Nope. >> Who was? Well, there's a lot of acorns living here tonight. And >> there a lot of acorns living here tonight. >> Yeah. I mean, >> that has nothing to do with my question, though. >> Nope. Not me. >> We've established that. Still waiting on who who was driving. >> Nope, not me. >> Do you realize that whoever was driving ran into your garage? >> My garage? Mhm. >> Nope. >> Still surprised you haven't asked about the other car that you hit. >> My car? >> Another car that your vehicle hit? >> Nope. Not me. Don't go anywhere. Sounds like the ambulance is here. Okay. >> Would you like your driver's license back before you dip inside? >> Yes. >> Can you get inside? Yes. >> I appreciate it. >> So, just so you understand, I do have a crash report to write. Your vehicle is going to be listed in that crash report because I have witnesses that saw it occur and followed you back here. >> Okay. >> I'm also going to be filing a stop failure to stop and provide information. >> Okay. >> So, just so you're aware of what's happening with all that. You have any questions for me? >> Okay. Nope. None for me. >> Go ahead and go inside. Um, just so you know, the back tailgate of your Jeep is open >> and the windows down on the driver's side. >> Okay. All right. >> Well, I appreciate it. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Yes, sir. >> It's all right. >> All right. Go ahead and hop inside. >> All right. Okay. >> I can't leave till I see you inside. >> Okay. >> I don't think your keys are in there. I'm sorry. >> I don't think your keys are in there if that's what you're looking for. >> Okay. All right. Keys are in the in the >> I don't know where the keys are. >> Okay. >> I'm saying if you're looking for them, I doubt they're in your wallet. >> Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Are you going to be entering your residence or No. >> I'm sorry. Are you going to be entering your residence or No. >> Yes. Okay. 3434 Avenue in progress. go through. >> I got it. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> There's no pad there for your for a card to unlock. >> Yeah, >> that's a credit card. >> Still no card that's going to open that door, sir. >> Just what? >> There's no card that's going to open that door. [laughter] >> I've seen you try about six now. Well, it's just a standard lock. You need a key. >> All right. Well, I know. Well, I'm sorry. Me, too. I can't get into the into the house. What do you want me to do? >> Alfred, do you want me to check your vehicle for keys? Maybe you have a house key that we could try the front door with. Well, >> or did the mystery driver take those two? >> I'm sorry. >> Or did the mystery driver run off with those two? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. >> Cuz you can may I search your vehicle for your house keys? >> The house keys? >> Yeah. We're at your house. >> Okay. >> But yes, I can search your vehicle for house keys. >> Well, I need to get into the house. When the door is locked, usually keys on unlock doors. >> Okay. Um, hang on just a second. >> I've been waiting for a lock. I'm going to ask one more time. After that, I'm going to leave you to your own devices. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm going to ask you one more time. If you answer no, I'm going to leave you to your own devices cuz you refused EMS. They said that you're competent to make decisions. So, would you like me to search your vehicle for your house keys? Yes or no? >> Uh, no. I'm have a good answer. Do not drive anymore tonight.