you do not need to talk to her period step down know your place Echo 4 4 headquarters can you show me out with Echo 4 6 please why do you not have a license plate on the back of the Tesla this is a brand new car just purchased I have a temporary tag where's the temporary tag should be on the back hi bro like on the on the back there's nothing there so I don't know maybe you lost it while you were driving that's the insurance we're gonna need that too and your license I don't need to give you guys anything what's your issue why are you being like that I just stopped you because you don't have the license plate you said that it should be there right and I told you that it's not so then where is it ma'am I don't know OK so then that's why I'm asking you OK and then in order for me to move forward I will need the information cause obviously I can't get anything off of a tag that's not there that is the reason why I'm asking for your name and name and name and date of birth and has to show you a form of ID what is your name I'm not contacting with you but I'll give you my name but it's I want to make sure for the record of course OK good I'm not contacting with the state I'm not contacting with you whatsoever I'll give you my name solely for the purpose OK OK what tell me your name I'm sorry say that again last name sorry I'm not in the jurisdiction I'm not traveling I'm sorry I'm not driving I'm traveling right now oh so she's just giving you first name ma'am we have to be able to identify you because you're lawfully being stopped locker being stopped under what grounds you have no tag on your vehicle right now they just mentioned to me sorry huh why are you guys surrounding my vehicle right now now I feel threatened you have PC to tow the car without a tag on it right now so you have no tag on your vehicle that's why you're being stopped right okay so being that you're on a lawful stop you being lawfully stopped with probable cause of having no tag what crime is that you have no you're not understanding you have no tag that's not a crime that is a crime yes it is it's not a crime yes it is quick quick interview are you gonna identify yourself you have to have some type of way to identify hey what are you looking at 10 4 she's talking to you so then talk to her if I was gonna talk to you you should have done that earlier I'm actually listening to the radio so it's in my trunk where in your what's where in your trunk like in a bag yes in a packet cause I just I unrolled her to the school so I have a packet that's full of all of my personal documents my social my passport etcetera so it's in a bag in the trunk correct what color is the bag it's not in a bag it's in a pouch okay so what color is the pouch purple so it's a purple pouch in the trunk that has your ID in it okay so can you open the trunk so we can get your ID I I can open the trunk and get my ID no we cannot allow you to get out and go in the trunk well I'm not allowing you to go in in in OK so can you give us your name I just I just gave it first name last name I just gave it to her we're gonna need more information than what you were telling us either you allow for us to get the documents out of your trunk or you give us the information verbally those are your only two options at this time you have to I'm trying to work with you but you guys are being extremely aggressive yeah you have to identify make sure you're ready to get her out of the car all right we're gonna go ahead and off water you're gonna what OK open alright is the car off no excuse me what are you about to do is the car off ma'am what are you about to do we're going to remove you and the passenger out of the vehicle due to you not wanting to cooperate with us and provide us the information that we are asking for you to give us I'm not agreeing to you excuse me what are you doing what are you doing I got her here step out step out I just gave you my freaking name what the hell are you talking about yes I did do not touch me get out of the car what's wrong with y'all annoying I'm gonna have you come to the back of the car over here do not touch my daughter your daughter's cooperating we don't have to do anything you're not cooperating I'm gonna get the bin on my stuff vehicle I need all y'all bad your names your your badge numbers etcetera just go ahead and you can lean up against the car can you let go of me no so then lean against the car I'll lean against the car but let go of me stay right there I have not committed a crime and you need to get me out of this damn handcuffs we already tried to talk to you we're done where's your supervisor sir sir since she is not cooperating as an individual doing her duties in her job she's doing exactly what she should be doing ma'am would be happy to get a supervisor here for you OK I need them now right now he's calling you've been uncooperative so far ma'am so you're gonna remain in cuffs until we're comfortable that you're cooperative okay oh it's 28 by Ben am I being arrested you said you're being detained until we got to am I being arrested I need these off of me right now we're gonna wait for our supervisor like you requested right I didn't request to be yanked out of my vehicle okay due to you not cooperating with us that's what happened so now we're gonna do what you want and you call for our supervisor he's gonna be on the way and you can talk to him further 5 Yankee Juliet 3 just so you know what's happening right so your mom's being detained right now because she's driving a vehicle without a license plate on it right so we don't know what's going on so she's being detained you're not detained we just need to get you out of the car because the car is likely gonna be towed so you mind closing that door for me on the car thank you not not you ma'am not you ma'am I need her to get the hair out of my eyes please the officer there can help you with that no I don't want her to touch me again it's fine please get out of my mouth so you're not you're not being between men right your mom is okay so if somebody comes to pick you up whatever it is they're welcome to do that you not have to stay here should you not want to okay if you want to remain with your mom you're welcome to do that I'm just here to make sure that no cars hit you that you're safe and all that stuff you're free to go um anywhere you wish hey Serge okay what we got going on driver has to go fast and easy okay how can I help you there's no crime which is not I need to be removed from these handcuffs right now okay these aggressive ass cops surround my car surround my vehicle without my consent open my door unlawfully and yank me out of my car okay when I'm not driving I'm not doing any commercial activity right now that's my daughter she's going to school you said you weren't driving correct I'm traveling and I and I know y'all don't like to play by the real rules but I already know them OK I'm not going to uh accept anything less than and everyone here is going to be sued OK for their I'm awful behavior right now this is unreal okay not only that but I'm pregnant and she touched me in ways that is not acceptable okay alright let me uh just stay here I'll talk to the other officer see what you guys got going on okay alright okay ready ma'am your daughter said that you guys were on your way to school is that correct alright so I know she needs to get over there so you have like school books or something like that in a bag okay so I'm gonna I'm gonna go in there and get that for you what makes you guys think that you can touch my personal property like who are you where is it right now ma'am I have not done anything other than drive to the school you guys have literally yanked me out of my vehicle at 7 o'clock in the morning no I'm trying to understand how aggressive this woman is in front of me I'm trying to help you you're still trying to make me speak with her I'm sorry so we're gonna just open the door and her daughter's gonna grab the we don't we don't know what's in there right I I don't have no reason to believe that your daughter wants to hurt me or anything like that right I just don't know what's in there so I I need to get us from the car I need to make sure that whatever she gets is not gonna hurt us that's all I'm trying to do okay so you're ridiculous I can't you're okay to come over here okay your stuff can we open this door over here is that okay I just don't want you to sit over there with cars sorry to ask to um speak to my mom someone's coming that stay in here right um I'm just gonna close this for you so it doesn't get all over the car it was wrong is it okay if she gets her phone do you know where it is okay just show it to your mom make sure that's that's your phone don't not touch my put it put this phone back in the car please you can't give it to your mom do you are you gonna take it with you oh no she's giving it to me why can't you can't have your phone she said she was taking it with her back in the car OK why can I not have my phone cause you're detained right now ma'am for what crime the officer explain that to you already right you know there's no crime taking place are you taking this with you or are you leaving the car leave it in the car leave it in the car can I talk to my daughter can you get away from me please no I cannot get away from you you're detained at this time you can talk to your daughter but just we're not we can't let you walk away I'm not asking to walk away I'm asking her to come here and y'all step away from me please I'm not she's right here she's right here ma'am you can talk to her call Chris please if we're gonna do telephone communication between the two we're not gonna allow that to happen you do not need to talk to her period step down know your place you work for us ma'am do not touch me let me sir can you please get this woman off of me ma'am i'mma have to put her in the car because she's not i'mma have to put her in the car sir please get her off of me because she's trying to do sir please tryna she's trying to ask her daughter to call she's asking stuff she's talking to asking her daughter for the phone do you have anything on you right now do you have anything get off of me do you have anything ma'am would you would you like me to escort you over to school yeah OK OK so what have you been arrested for you've been arrested for resisting I'm not resisting anything you resisted cause you did not I am not resisting anything that is not sir please I understand that you don't recognize the local laws and the state laws you have a different belief system I refuse anything hold on a second where it was I told them I would get it you're not allowed to get it and I told you I would get it for you you didn't if you if you aren't providing your name and identification if you aren't if you gave them my name if you're resisting officers I'm not resisting anything if they're trying to get I asked them they're trying to identify who you are and you aren't providing your name and your information but that name wasn't coming up what do you mean then you weren't and then you weren't giving them anything that they could use to identify you you're also driving in a vehicle or you're traveling in a vehicle that doesn't have a license plate on so that's why they stopped you I understand that okay so based on there was one on there I literally bought that from the dealership not even a month ago so based on on you not cooperating and providing the officers the information they needed that's a form of passive resistance because they're trying to who is the injured party right now then I'm there's I don't know if there's an injured party there's no crime here by your terms by your terms but there's no crime I just explain to you what happened and I have not received anything he he please get to school please get to school OK ma'am do you uh do you want me to your daughter needs to get to school OK so do you want me to release her to school do you want me to escort her to school how do you want me to get her over there you can come over here you can get one egg for me sir can you please get this woman out of my face I'm not moving ma'am let's just focus on your daughter let's focus on her let's focus on your daughter can you please call Chris is he not answering OK how you get your daughter to school cause this is why I separated you because you're trying to do stuff to your daughter which you're not allowing how you gonna get your daughter to school who are you my maker like who who are you to not allow we're gonna close the door I'm gonna walk over there or she's gonna walk by herself to school I don't really think she's gonna be here yeah let's walk we're gonna walk you to the school okay we're not gonna walk you into the campus we're just gonna that way you're not embarrassed we're gonna walk you up and just see you in all right alright then just let her know where her mom will be at okay so she could tell the adult alright go ahead and do whatever you're gonna do if you wanna just take her we're gonna tow the car we're gonna write her a ticket have your mom been through this type of stuff before no okay um so just real quick let me just explain to you and then so you can explain to anybody else you need to did I hear you say that the camera's not on no their camera's shit I'm gonna go watch the body camera footage and make sure that they handled you in a manner that was appropriate and if it and I have not resisted once your mom is required to provide us an ID driver's license name date of birth something like that at that point the law states that I don't even need to provide unless a crime has been committed that's not true unless if you have a Florida's driver's license or no I do okay so when you sign for a Florida driver's license in part you agree and I that you had I already revoked it right so as I told her my other ID is in my car right I'm sorry my trunk she wanted to go into my trunk I don't trust either one of them because of the way that they treated me from the second they walked up to my car uh huh from the second they walked up to my car okay so probably by the time you get out of school today should be out okay okay just because just because you have nothing else better to do okay you don't understand what's up you don't understand what liability that you are so we're gonna go ahead and get going because the the sooner the longer we keep you here the longer this something you'll probably be able to get through processed and be out uh within a reasonable amount of time or within six to eight hours so the sooner we get you down and get you processed the sooner you can get out so I'm not gonna hold you here any longer I'm gonna let the officers go ahead and and finish up here so we can get you down and get you processed okay alright thank you yep thanks right when the Tesla was about to be towed a man showed up to take it so the driver was arrested for a failure to provide identification we pulled over for having no license plate on the vehicle right the they called you sir right um to pick up the vehicle so he's now saying he wants to arrange transport for somewhere so you wanna drive it yeah they're being they're being assholes about it so if you want to I can definitely drive it they're being assholes no he can't drive it no no I can drive it so you're here now so now you got it's not your policy it's what we need to do no yeah no I mean just because I'm here miss if y'all are okay with well you can't drive it unless I have a tag on it oh there you go okay then correct what law point to me what law that says so so if we're in commerce we need a driver look let me explain I know exactly the law if you get in the vehicle and you pull away we will see you we're gonna pull you over that's fine and then and then you're gonna have a lawsuit then you're gonna lose your job you're gonna lose your job and you're gonna lose your job I'm not worried about losing my job you guys you guys have not provided a law if you don't want to discuss I don't want to hear back from you you guys have not provided a law cause we we weren't we first and foremost somebody took the tag off so or flew off so it's not like it's a stolen vehicle but we still have probable cause to pull the vehicle up that the tag flew off the tag you know got lost we asked her we say ma'am where's the tag she's like she I don't know well she was talking to my other partner and we asked her where is the tag if you just give us the information say where's the tag this could have all been seats like this all wouldn't happen she won't give she won't tell us about the tag she won't give us the Vin she won't give us the registration she won't give us the insurance she won't give us her name she won't so we still can still can drive so we at that point if I'm stopping you because there is no tag because that is a portrait statue a statue is not a law a law is a portrait statue we're not gonna argue over no no I'm saying so this is what we're gonna do I thought you drove another car here no no no absolutely not okay so this is what we're gonna do we you can't drive it in our presence absolutely since you're here you're you're controlled it no no we don't wanna know that we're gonna leave okay if you drive this car and you get stopped again we're not gonna be we're not gonna mess with you but if somebody else stops you you have to deal with the repercussions okay but don't drive this in our presence absolutely we're sorry you had to come out if you need to do whatever we're gonna know we're we're just gonna leave it he's gonna be in control of it okay cause you don't want it toad no ma'am thank you alright sorry sorry no no you're good yeah alright so you can take possession of the car don't drive it in our presence if you do get stuck driving with it just understand that you can get stopped and get written a ticket yes sir get a plate on there or something yes sir okay like it's not like listen listen so let us leave alright go ahead and leave now yeah let before you do any of that 33rd yes so that happened Florida United States morning school run a mother driving her daughter to school in a new Tesla with no rear license plate a routine traffic stop escalated into an arrest a jury conviction and an ongoing appeal uh Florida statue section 316.605 requires all motor vehicles to display a valid rear license plate the missing plate provided unambiguous reasonable articulate suspicion under Terry v Ohio 392 U S 1 1 9 6 8 the stop was legally sound from the first moment Florida statue Section 322.15 requires a driver to present a valid license upon demand during a lawful stop Section 316.65 requires registration and proof of insurance refusal to provide any of these is a second degree misdemeanor under Florida law the driver invoked the traveling versus driving distinction a sovereign citizen argument rejected unanimously by American courts the right to travel does not eliminate the obligation to comply with motor vehicle regulations New US court has ever recognized this theory as a valid defense Pennsylvania v Mims 434 U S 1 0 6 1 9 7 7 once a vehicle is lawfully stopped officers may order the driver to exit as a matter of course without additional justification extended to passengers in Maryland v Wilson 519 US 4 0 8 1 9 9 7 the physical removal here was constitutionally authorized Hebel v Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada 542 U S 1 7 7 2 0 0 4 stating one's name during a valid Terry stop does not violate the Fifth Amendment a mere name is not inherently incriminating the the claim that providing identification constitutes compelled self incrimination has no constitutional basis Florida Statue Section 843.02 resisting obstructing or opposing an officer without violence is a first degree misdemeanor DGV state 661 so 2 d 75 Fla 3 d dca 1,995 establish that passive resistance deliberate non compliance requiring officers to use physical force meets this threshold the resisting charge attaches to the refusal to exit the vehicle not merely the identification dispute six charges filed resisting without violence section 843.02 no tag displayed Section 316.605 Registration not carried section 316.65 license not carried section 322.15 no proof of insurance Section 324.022 driving on a suspended licence section 322.01 licence had expired in 2024 jury returned a guilty verdict appeal pending legal lesson sovereign citizen arguments do not suspend statutory obligations disagreement with a law does not authorize noncompliance on the roadside the appropriate remedy is a court challenge after the fact not refusal during a lawful stop every charge in this case was a direct consequence of that choice