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I had a call woman come in ate steak and lobster drink wine everything then goes oh I'm homeless I can't pay hey stranger long time no see how are you doing I'm doing good I'm doing good they would have given you free food if you just told them you're almost but not steak and lobster someone walked into a restaurant ordered steak lobster and wine worth $111 when the Bill arrived she said she had no money what followed raises a legal question far more complex than it appears how you doing good how are you my name is Ralph Louis Joseph nice to meet you nice to meet you Joseph I know who was it Christina Christina yeah yeah I know yeah I had a call woman come in ate steak and lobster drank wine everything then goes oh I'm homeless I can't pay like we didn't give you a burger if you'd ask yeah don't come in drinking wine fine dining haha there you go hey stranger long time no see how are you good good how you doing good sorry to bother you again no no what's going on um no she just she's walking that way black lady she's got you can't miss her she's very she's got like um tie dye dress on and she came in and she did what did she order she ordered steak and lobster glass of wine like $111 okay I know how this all goes but it's that's a lot of money it's the principle I you know when I when I said you know are you gonna pay cash or credit she says I don't have any money I said yeah then you should have come in order she goes have a heart I said I do have a heart I would have given you a burger or something but you came in and ordered yeah you ordered a big big big stuff yeah so I think she might be yeah we we see her yeah yeah so um okay I don't know if she made it do you guys want to prosecute that would be up to the owner yeah you're you're telling me yeah yeah yeah you guys want to prosecute yeah alright Christine can you just raise your right hand you just swore to me everything you told me is the truth alright put your hand down sir can you uh raise your right hand you swore everything you just told me was the truth absolutely alright let me uh let me go pick her up real quick and uh yeah I'll be I'll be I'll be back OK yep 3 up 2 1 I'll be out with the uh female half at 2 8 3 8 Oak Tree Boulevard how you doing I'm good yeah are you so I'm hanging in I'm homeless bro yeah so so what happened with OK Choi Steakhouse huh why would you go in there with no money and I just talked to you the other day remember that do you get uh you you you what's your what is your what was your first name again okay where are you living are you homeless I have proof I'm saying you're you're homeless that's basically what I'm saying yeah okay and you don't have a phone or anything no I don't OK alright huh yeah they want to arrest you you're going to jail you you listen you had your you had your opportunity on Saturday to get out of here and you did not leave on me county so stand up take your bag off no no no we don't do that here all right Pomme de county you come you pay for your food you don't order steak and lobster and drink wine and then walk out saying you don't have any money okay that that that is not allowed here in Pomme de county okay that especially there they would they would have given you free food if you just told them you're homeless but not steak and lobster you can't do that Sharon take your bag off put that there alright stand up no I'm not gonna make it tight alright as long as you're good with me I'm gonna be good with you okay it's just unfortunately they wanna prosecute and that's what I gotta do okay I'm gonna I'm gonna put two handcuffs on so it's not so bad on your shoulders okay but don't misbehave OK I'm be I'm gonna be nice to you but unfortunately you're going to the jail come on I gotta go to the same jail right yeah you're gonna go back to Palm Beach County okay there you go okay I mean hold on a second here which one no no no I'm gonna I'm gonna lock them now hold on a second here just keep it like that okay there we go there we go okay come on over here hurry up for 2 1 what's your name try me with a black female 10:15 come on I don't watch the show I don't want yep I don't want come on you just want to throw me a face you got my stuff you don't got anything on you yeah I'm gonna get it I just need to get you in first okay oh wait a minute it's okay good you want me to help you yep yep yep yep come on you ready not the legs okay okay come on you ready there we go okay get your foot in there there you go I got you OK slide me over slide you over you got it yeah you got it OK you good yeah I'm not gonna buckle you I'm just gonna let you hang in there for a minute OK OK was this a crime was this a person simply in need and most importantly what does the law actually require to prove it the answer turns on a single word intent under Florida Statue 509.151 it is unlawful to obtain food or beverage from a licensed public food service establishment with intent not to pay or to defraud the operator this statue does not punish failure to pay it punishes the intent that existed at the moment of ordering this intent element is the legal core of the entire case Florida courts have consistently held that ordering premium items consuming the full meal and disclosing an inability to pay only after the Bill arrives constitute sufficient circumstantial evidence to support an inference of fraudulent intent the act of ordering is itself the evidence before making contact with the subject the officer secured sworn verbal statements from two witnesses at the restaurant under Florida Statue 901.15 a warrantless arrest is lawful when an officer holds reasonable grounds supported by articulable evidence those statements combined with the subject's own admission satisfied the probable cause threshold before any encounter occurred under Florida statue 812.014 theft valued between 100 and 700 fifty dollars is classified as a first degree misdemeanor carrying a maximum of one year in county jail and a fine up to $1,000 at a hundred and eleven dollars this offense fell squarely within that range when the officer applied handcuffs the controlling constitutional standard was established Graham versus Conner United States Supreme Court 1,989 the court held that the reasonableness of any use of force must be evaluated from the perspective of a reasonable officer's on the scene at the moment the decision was made not in hindsight Graham identified three factors courts must consider the severity of the crime at issue whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to officers or others whether the suspect is actively resisting or attempting to flee in this encounter all three factors independently supported the minimal level of force applied in Atwater versus city of Lago Vista the Supreme Court resolved a question many people assume is settled in their favor can police arrest someone for a minor misdemeanor the court answered unanimously yes the Fourth Amendment does not prohibit a full custodial arrest for any criminal offense regardless of how minor the charge the arrest here was constitutionally valid on every element probable cause was established through sworn eye witness testimony before contact the subject was located in a public space Florida Statue 901.15 authorized the warrantless arrest directly no warrant exception was needed because probable cause was already in place first lesson the intent element is not determined by outcome it is determined by timing the legally relevant moment is not when the Bill arrives it is when the order is placed under Florida law disclosing an inability to pay before ordering is the only act that removes criminal exposure entirely second lesson investigative sequence is legal architecture the officer secured sworn statements before locating the subject courts scrutinize the order of events evidence established before contact is legally far stronger than evidence gathered during or after an encounter sequence is not procedural preference it is constitutional Protection third lesson from Graham versus Conner force is not evaluated on what happened it is evaluated on what a reasonable officer knew and believed at the exact moment force was applied modifying a restraint procedure to accommodate a subject's physical condition as occurred here demonstrates proportionality that directly strengthens the legal defensibility of the entire arrest but here is what this case leaves open if intent must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and the only available evidence of intent is the act of ordering itself at what point does circumstantial evidence become sufficient is consuming a meal without money always fraud or only sometimes and who decides where that line is and if a person is homeless with no identification no phone and no realistic alternatives does the legal framework we just examined apply to them in the same way it applies to someone with other options the statute says yes the case law says yes but courts prosecutors and juries have reached very different answers the statute here is clear the case law is settled but the application in practice is something else entirely what this case does not answer is whether the outcome holds under different facts a different prosecutor or a different judge that question is the one the next case examines directly
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