I'm fed up with my my daughter yeah yep I've been what she's not going to do and then she's screaming in my face and looking at me and of course I'm going to be aggressive back towards her she came in the bathroom and she started saying basically saying things that means about me sleeping with her boyfriend date August 28th 2024 event domestic battery investigation mother versus minor daughter location residential address jurisdiction unidentified responding agency not publicly confirmed at time of analysis hello hi did you call or they call oh she called okay do you live here are you okay and your mom yep okay um do you want to talk to her see what she say I'll talk to them yeah yeah that's fine there's no skittles in my eyes you don't have to worry about that you're all good you're all good I'm just I'm fed up with my my daughter yeah yep I've been asking her and I've been telling her and I've been telling her to do certain things and she's being unruly and she told me this morning that she wasn't going to go to school and it just turned into a whole different ordeal I'm just fed up fed up anything else like happening or like just she knows she didn't want to go to school um just in general she's telling me what she's going to do and she's already underneath the juvenile courts saying that she has to follow everything I say and she's telling me what she's going to do and what she's not going to do and then she's screaming in my face and lunges at me and of course I'm going to be aggressive back towards her it's not gonna happen like that I don't I don't operate like that I don't I got a call phone call at 6:30 in the morning wake up to her screaming on the Facetime tell her what happened I got up well she woke me up because my alarm didn't go off she said she was gonna take me to school I got ready everything was okay while I was getting ready or whatever she came in the bathroom she started saying basically saying things that me about me sleeping with her boyfriend and then after that we got into it we came downstairs she fist fought me threw boiling water at me and then she threw boiling water at you yes they hit on you yes all over my shirt and my and then she hit me in my eye I really can't see in my eye it hurts how old are you 17 and she wants to be a big girl let's see how big you are I understand I understand okay and then what happened what did you say what did you start did um so when she came down was it um like a mutual fight or she started attacking you we were arguing still and I can't we came downstairs but she was following and then that's how everything started so did she like he actually be like what did you no she hit first she hit me in my head she got my hair how many times she hits you she hit me a good like couple times five times in my head OK did you hit her back then too like yes defend yourself OK and then when did the she get the boiling water she did it like 10 minutes after because I was on the phone with my dad so things calmed down and she got boiling water a little bit they were still arguing at this point I was on the phone they were still arguing she was throwing I'm telling her like quit arguing back with it try to go outside just saying that that she was arguing with you I woke her up this morning she's getting ready and me and my boyfriend was in the room she's in the bathroom brushing her teeth getting ready for school and me and him kind of got into it a little bit had a little bit of a argument and then she said something was walking down the stairs that was ignorant towards me while I'm arguing with him so automatically I'm going to be aggressive towards her with words and then she I followed her down the stairs and she was still talking to me the way she was talking to me we went into the kitchen and she lunged at me and we both kind of got into a physical altercation so she lunched at you did and she made physical contact when I we both made physical contact at the same time cause when she came after me I was coming after her okay she was screaming in my face telling me that she hopes I you stupid bitch and all kinds of stuff so yep so what happened she was telling me that uh she was having a argument with her boyfriend and then her daughter came downstairs and then said something uh provocative towards her uh which kind of set her off and then they continued they verbally argued and then she claims that her daughter lunched at her um and then she lunched back and they got into a mutual fight who swung at who first she came towards me she was in my face screaming telling me that I hope I Karma's a bitch you're a stupid and stuff like that so me and her were face to face contact but she came in closer to me so okay how'd you get water on her uh I threw the boiling pot of water on the floor and it kind of like splashed up against her okay why'd you do that uh I threw the water because I have no clue at that moment in time I'm in a fit of rage I'm not gonna tell you like oh I decided to throw the pot of water because it was convenient I have no clue I was in a fit of rage I didn't physically throw it throw it at her cause I could definitely I'm capable of doing it was that after you guys got into a fight yes cause she said something else to me and triggered me and I threw the water on the floor okay so you said originally you guys are arguing you followed her down the stairs I did follow her down the stairs cause she was talking to me about me ignorantly and with I'm her mom right I think I'm her mom am I your mom well I'm talking to you so you followed her downstairs and you guys are arguing what exactly happened then she both we were yelling at each other the argument okay um do me a favor wait wait um wait right here for me okay just stay here with me I'm also Thorne so can you tell me what happened today I went in my room and I kind of got into it I was already getting into it me and my boyfriend's been getting into it little arguments here and there I said something to him then I said something to her and then she told me she wasn't going to go to school kind of like was getting mouthy with me walk down the stairs me and her getting in a argument uh huh I disagree whatever and then we're kind of like face to face and she kind of lunges at me and says I hope you get what you deserve and it instantly triggered me and we kind of like got into it what do you mean got into it like she was throwing punches at me OK and I was holding her by her hair and she she was like I'm gonna you up did it did it did it did it just did you hit her back throw any punches at her no I didn't throw any punches at her but I did grab her by her hair just so she couldn't like hit me I'm not allowed my kid to punch me in my face OK so she was punching you in the face she was attempting to okay did she land any I have no clue you don't know rage anger you're okay so you're telling me she wasn't brushing I'm not sure do I have any marks I'm not that I see right so but he probably took all of them to be honest cause he was standing in between us you didn't throw any punches you didn't throw any punches well how'd you get the Mark on her eye the scratch on her face probably when I grabbed her by her hair I do have nails OK yeah that's the only way I can think of that doesn't really look like a scratch it looks like a red Mark like she was hit she's crying also I definitely didn't punch my daughter in the face I would tell you just like I told them that when she was talking to me after the art altercation there was water on the stove I kind of tossed it on the ground I wouldn't I'm not gonna lie if I hit her I hit her so you threw the water on the ground cause once you make up a lie you got to make up another lie so what what so all this started over her not wanting to go to school kind of yeah is your boyfriend here no can we talk to him he's not here he's not going to be here anymore oh you guys break up or something oh yes alright yeah so he's not here we can't talk to him no um uh I'll just have like your name you guys can go to her team or just uh when you go up to her just tell her um right now just turn around for me just put your hands behind your back just put the cuffs on her quick and and that's it it's gonna be 13 if you wanna help him here of course good to go yep alright man we're gonna have you turn around put your hands behind your back yep stay right there yep just now you got a warrant too yep looks like someone with theft or something yep sure do we'll get all figured out here like I said we were arguing and then I started crying and then I was coming downstairs I was saying stuff but she was also like she was talking to me though and then I called my dad or whatever after like the fact that she me her got into a physical occupation she followed me downstairs into the kitchen and her boyfriend came down there then she hit her boyfriend and that's when she hit me like she grabbed me by my head and then she started she hit me in my head a good five times and then after that like all like I said I called my dad and he said he heard us all of us was screaming and then that's when she threw water and stuff like that and she didn't just like hit it on the floor like she said she literally threw it she picked it up and threw it right now you're under arrest for your warrant too and then we're figuring out what's going on here what's funny stupid fucking current but I never got yeah I got my stuff together got a job you're gonna put it back in the cars come down and step in did you want to talk to us about what happened I know we already talked to you a little bit but I'd like to ask you a little bit more yeah that's fine we can talk um did you punch her at all in the face not that I know of I'm I'm pretty sure I just held her by her hair okay cause she definitely got like hit in the face like her she's got Mark like inside of her eye around her eye I've been doing this for a while and I see what people look like when they get punched she definitely got hit in the face and if you're saying she didn't get hit at all in the face I'm just trying to figure out how she I'm not understanding cause I definitely used my left hand to grab her by her hair so how would she get punched in the face and all I see is a scratch on her face and I know what her crying could make her eyes okay like that this is she clearly got hit in the face right here so I'm just asking you how that happened I'm not sure because I'd like to hear what happened but if you're saying she didn't get in the face I'm telling you that I was enraged and me and her getting into a physical altercation I'm not gonna remember exactly what occurred but I will tell you exactly what I remember alright I mean I've been in fights I remember exactly what happens during it and who gets hit so do you want me to agree with you and say that I punched her in the face cause I don't think that'd be right if I don't something happened where she got hit in the eye and I'm just trying to figure that part out I know that he was standing in between us and me I that's I remember her screaming in my face and then her lunging at me and both of us just go at each other in the kitchen and I remember clearly grabbing her hair and she's swinging at me trying to uppercut me and he's standing with his arm with trying to grab her arm and up to block whatever she's throwing and whatever we're doing where's he at he's not here why did he leave cause I started I threw some stuff at him oh alright alright give us a couple minutes here are you guys good we're gonna go over to the school we're gonna go over to the school um I'll upload these pictures yep no problem we're gonna have to call CPS too okay so hey Ashley you ever been in trouble before yes you ever been arrested and convicted of domestic violence before no somebody I'm getting charged with yes oh my God can I have a cigarette unfortunately I don't have any cigarette right I get it but she didn't hit her mom at all though because I don't got any marks it's fine that's my life may I ask why you asked about my children oh because you are are being arrested we do have to what's called a rule 6 which that that Malaya is gonna go to CSP while they figure out okay so RIA is gonna go to CSB because she put herself there because she wanted to call daddy to save her when he never has ever in life that's fine she's so special I swear to God if she just listen to me and not be unruly we will not be going through this just like last year she did not go to school at all whatsoever and I just let it go let it go just go to work I go to work instead of arguing with my child or grounding her taking her phone away from her just let it go let it go and then this year I told her it's gonna be different because it's her senior year good job mom huh daughter lunges you in your face and your yep okay sorry for interrupting you can you continue please standing in my room screaming at me telling me all kinds of stuff it's just been an ongoing thing and I just been putting it off putting off and today she screamed in my face that could be a reason why her blood vessel on her eyes popped the scratch on her face I know my kid she was crying and screaming and her eyes were bugged out screaming in my her mother's face so then cause of her doing that the other kids are so like gonna be involved with CSP too there's a good possibility oh my God self defense doctrine pursuit forfeits the defense a party who voluntarily follows a retreating individual into continued confrontation generally forfeits the right to claim self defense the subject admitted she followed the minor downstairs that admission is legally dispositive on this point domestic battery three required elements first intentional act second offensive or harmful physical contact third qualifying domestic relationship all three elements are satisfied on the face of the subject's own statements retaliation and the imminence requirement retaliation does not constitute lawful self defense a response to verbal provocation however offensive does not satisfy the imminence requirement for a justified use of force under any recognized American legal standard parental discipline privilege scope and absolute limits the privilege covers reasonable and proportionate corrective force only courts uniformly hold it does not extend to mutual combat with a minor use of instrumentalities capable of causing serious bodily harm or disproportionate retaliation triggered by verbal provocation Illinois v Gates 462 US 2 1 3 1 9 8 3 probable cause totality of circumstances standard probable cause is assessed on the aggregate weight of all available evidence not on any single fact in isolation visible injury consistent victim account and subject admissions collectively satisfy this constitutional threshold Graham v Conner 490 US 3 8 6 1 9 8 9 reasonableness of arrest decisions the reasonableness of a law enforcement decision is judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene not with the benefit of hindsight the totality of evidence available to these officers supported the arrest at water v city of Lagovista 532 U s 3 1 8 2 0 0 1 Custodial Arrest Authority a full custodial arrest is constitutionally permissible when probable cause exists an active outstanding warrant simultaneously provides a second fully independent constitutional basis for the detention dangerous instrumentality aggravated battery threshold battery commit with a dangerous instrument carries elevated penalties in most jurisdictions courts have classified hot liquids capable of causing burns as dangerous instrumentalities potentially elevating the applicable charge from simple battery to aggravated battery Dushane v Sugarman 566 F 2 d 817 2 d CRR 1,977 mandatory CPS notification operative in all 50 states officers are designated mandatory reporters in every US jurisdiction arrest of a primary caregiver with no responsible adult present triggers a legal obligation to notify Child Protective Services immediately emergency removal without prior judicial approval is constitutionally permissible when a child's immediate safety cannot be ensured lessons Learned pursuit of a retreating party destroys self defense claims parental authority does not license mutual combat or weapon use against a minor verbal provocation alone never justifies physical retaliation one credible victim account plus physical evidence satisfies probable cause mandatory CPS removal upon caregiver arrest is a legal obligation not a choice