I don't have to help you help you in your investigation. >> Okay. Well, I am asking you to identify yourself. >> In Jacksonville, North Carolina, this is officer Ashley Glance. The Karen cop does not know constitutional rights. >> You can investigate all you want, but you can't demand ID when you can't articulate a crime that you think I've committed. >> You have a nice day then. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Am I free to go? >> This is one of the officer's colleagues. >> Yeah, you've been free to go this whole time. >> She told me I've been detained. >> Oh, okay. >> Twice now. So, I'm detained. >> Well, you want a supervisor? >> Am I Am I detained? >> I'm trying to identify you. >> That's not happening. Am I detained? >> Well, at the end of the day, I'm trying to identify. >> That's That's not my problem. I don't have to further your investigation for you. That's your job. So, if you want to find out who I am, you go run photo arrays, whatever you want to do. >> I apparently you have no idea how it works. You can't walk up to a a citizen not committing a crime and demand ID. That's That's not how this works. >> Okay. You know the law? >> I do, actually. It turns out that I do. >> This incident has now led to a civil rights lawsuit and humiliation for the Jacksonville police. >> Hard to believe a citizen out here would actually have a degree and know what they're talking about, huh? >> It all began on January 5th, 2024. A citizen journalist who on YouTube goes by Mr. Bulldog and notes he is not an auditor, was taking video of Jacksonville buildings from the public sidewalk. Residents thought his activity was strange and called the police. Excuse me. >> How you doing, sir? >> All right. How can I help you? >> Is there a reason you're just walking around recording? >> Is there a reason I'm doing a job? Yeah. To make money. >> Okay. Uh, can people have just been calling just thinking it's kind of weird? >> It's journalism. I'm sorry. Is >> that what you're doing? >> Yeah. It's protected under the First Amendment. So, >> I'm not saying you're not >> Sorry about that. >> All right. But hold on. Hold on. >> Am I being detained? >> Yeah. Right now. >> For what? For which which crime? >> So I'm further investigating why you're walking around. >> What crime? That's not a crime. Walking around isn't a crime. You have to articulate a crime before you can detain me. >> I could also detain >> supervisor. >> Supervisor. >> Yep. >> You can't detain just anyone. You have to articulate a crime. >> I can while I further >> get your supervisor and let's let's find out. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Name and badge number. >> Officer. >> You just read your supervisor. >> Badge number 861. >> Thank you. Do you have your ID on you? >> I do not. >> Can you dispatch a supervisor to my location? >> Hello. >> So, I'm assuming he's the one that complained. >> No. >> I don't even know who complained. It came out as anonymous. >> This is a constitutionally protected activity. So, I'm being harassed right now. Basically, >> my neighbors are calling me saying, "Hey, there's some dude running around >> recording." Yeah, >> I showed up cuz I'm like >> in public on the on the public sidewalk. >> Sir, I'm not saying you're not. >> You are. You are by your presence here >> bothering me while I'm working is telling me I'm not allowed to do this. >> Okay. I'm sorry you feel that way. >> Okay. >> But I am investigating why we're getting calls about someone walking around. >> Walking around isn't a crime, though. >> I never said it was a crime, but I don't have the right toain. >> You do not. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, I'm being illegally detained right now is what you're telling me. >> You want to say for sure. Okay. >> Legal experts also say he was being illegally detained. >> More on that in a moment. >> You are failure. You're not identifying yourself. You're refusing. >> What crime have I committed? So, at the end of the day, if law, >> it's not the end. This is the beginning. Listen to me for a sec. So, if law enforcement requests your identification, right, your name, your date of birth, your ID card, your driver's license number, you are obligated to give that to law enforcement. >> No, you're not. Okay. >> Not unless you can articulate a crime. >> So, I can articulate that this >> walking around is not suspicious isn't a crime. >> Okay. But it is something we have to investigate. >> It's not a crime. So, I don't have to comply with anything. I don't have to help you help you in your investigation. >> Okay. Well, I am asking you to identify yourself. You are refusing. haven't committed a crime. >> That doesn't matter. >> It does matter. No, I do not. >> Okay. >> You are incorrect. >> Okay. >> Well, you're about to learn. I hope this is your supervisor. >> He's about to school you if if it's your actual supervisor. >> Okay. >> It took a few minutes for a supervisor to arrive. >> He's at Gum Ranch 17, so he is on his way. >> In the meantime, officer Karen kept showing her ignorance. >> Not what it is. >> It is what it is. >> Okay. I'm walking up and down the street doing a protected activity, okay? And you stop me and demand ID for no crime. >> So, like I explained to you, we've gotten multiple calls. >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> Okay, that gives us something to investigate. >> It does not. No, you can investigate all you want, but you can't demand ID when you can't articulate a crime that you think I've committed. >> I never said you commit a crime. I said, >> so then you have no right here. >> Investigating your suspicious behavior. >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> You have to identify yourself. >> I do not. Okay. >> Suspicious is not a crime. >> Hello, sir. >> Name and badge number, please. >> My name is Corporal Tim Bureau. My officer number is 67. >> Thank you. >> Jackson police. >> Thank you. >> Do you live around here? >> I'm not answering any questions. >> Okay. Well, you have a nice day then. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Am I free to go? >> Yeah. You've been free to go this whole time. >> She told me I've been detained. >> Oh, okay. >> Twice now. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm detained. >> Well, you want a supervisor? Am I Am I detained? >> I'm trying to identify you. >> That's not happening. Am I detained? >> Well, at the end of the day, I'm trying to identify you. >> That's That's not my problem. I don't have to further your investigation for you. That's your job. So, if you want to find out who I am, you go run photo arrays, whatever you want to do. >> I apparently you have no idea how it works. You can't walk up to a a citizen not committing a crime and demand ID. That's That's not how this works. >> Okay. Yes. You know the law. >> I do actually. It turns out that I do, man. >> My two-year-old is on his wife and we'll talk with >> Hard to believe a citizen out here would actually have a degree and know what they're talking about. Huh? [snorts] >> It's all right. We're We're going to stop all this corruption. >> You doing all right? >> I don't answer questions. >> Okay. >> Especially when I'm being illegally detained. >> Well, I already told you you're free to go. So, if you'd like to leave, >> am I free to go? >> Do you want to go? You don't want to talk to a supervisor? Am I free to go or am I detained? I I need I need a I need an answer. I'm I'm not detained. >> Just so you know, sir, this is the Jackson Police Department. So, and everything, the fence and everything. Don't enter into that. >> That's fine. >> I'm on the sidewalk. It's where I've been the whole time before I was harassed. >> More than welcome to stay there. >> So, go. >> Once again, you've been proven wrong by your own coworker here. >> You have a great day, sir. I >> I'm having a great day. Me, too. >> I'm not breaking the law. I'm right here on the sidewalk in public exercising my constitutional right. Mr. Bulldong then continued exercising his constitutional rights as officer Karen and the corporal pulled back. >> Corruption at its finest. >> Moments later, another police supervisor arrived. >> The officer asked her for your name and the information. >> What crime do you suspect me of? >> Well, like she explained to you, she's report she's investigating suspicious activities. >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. I know y'all wish it was, but it's not. >> Okay. Or are you going to give her a name for >> No, I haven't committed a crime. >> What do you plan on doing, sir? >> I'm doing my job, trying to without being harassed. >> Okay. >> I'm just gathering content for a story, and y'all want to harass me over it. >> Okay. >> What's your job? >> You're a writer? >> Obviously, I'm a journalist. >> Well, how is that obvious? >> I'm gathering content for a story. >> Who else does that? Do mechanics do that? >> Excuse me. >> I said everybody with a cell phone isn't a journalist. >> Uh, if they choose to be, they are. It's in the Constitution. Okay. Cell phones make you a journalist >> if if that's what you choose to do. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, I guess I'm investigating suspicious activity. >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> People about something reporting. >> What crime do you suspect me of? All she can All she can articulate is suspicion, not a crime. >> You're going to listen to You ask me questions. Do you want the answers? >> Not really. I know the answers. You think I would come out here and not know? >> You ask me questions. >> Just see if you know them. >> Trust me, I do. >> You clearly don't. >> Okay. >> Like you see the time like you realize this is costing me job money right now. You're costing me time. >> Keep your hand out. >> No problem. [snorts] >> Am I detained or am I free to go >> right now? You're detained. >> Okay. For what? For what crime do you suspect me of? >> Because she's following up on investigation. >> What crime do you suspect me of? >> Suspicious activity. >> It's not. So suspicion is a crime. >> Are you going to give her your name and information? >> No. >> Okay. >> Mr. Bulldog was arrested, taken to jail, and charged with resist obstruct delay. Legal experts point out that under North Carolina statutes and the US Supreme Court settled case law, a person's refusal to disclose his or her name or provide ID is not sufficient to support a charge of resisting police. Law enforcement must have reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime has been committed. And legal experts note that at no point did Officer Karen and his supervisors meet the threshold. But this gets even worse. As first reported by the Lackluster Channel, while being booked in jail, Mr. Bulldog said, "Officer Glance was not going to take his fingerprints." At first, he didn't understand why until he saw the magistrate and was refused bond because he had no fingerprints on file. In other words, officer Ashley Glance, also known as Karen Cop, manipulated the system to try and keep Mr. Bulldog in jail with no bond longer than normal. Mr. Bulldog is now preparing a civil rights lawsuit against Officer Glance, her supervisors, and the Jacksonville, North Carolina Police Department. Legal experts say the concerned citizen has a very strong case and that in the end the city of Jacksonville, North Carolina will almost certainly have to pay up. It's a reminder that Karens can be costly, especially when they carry a badge and a gun. By the way, in New Jersey, a police officer slammed his own police chief on the hood of a cruiser when the chief showed up to an incident seemingly intoxicated. >> Chief, I'm working. I don't have time to argue about a jacket. Okay. Don't punch me. Don't you touch me. Don't you touch me. >> You a problem. You grab me >> now. Get out of here before you get a problem. Check out that video at the link below. I'm David Schuster. Thanks for joining us.