Your blood was on her. >> The percentage is 1.6 trillion to one. That cannot change. >> This is 72year-old Jean Stoer. For 34 years, he lived like the past was buried. But now, detectives finally had the one thing he could not explain. His blood on Julia Willbanks. >> I don't know how my blood is there. We know you were there. We can prove you were there. >> On September 23rd, 1991, what looked like a normal day in St. Cloud, Florida, suddenly turned into a cold case that would haunt detectives for 34 years. A group of motorists were driving near Neptune Road when they noticed something in the thick grass near the side of the road. It was the body of 27-year-old Julia Willbanks. By the time police arrived, investigators believe Julia had already been dead for more than 24 hours. She had been stabbed approximately 17 times, including wounds to her heart, and blood evidence was recovered from her clothing. But in 1991, DNA testing was not advanced enough to tell detectives whose blood they had. So even with evidence sitting in the case file, no suspect was identified. The case went cold. Then decades later, detectives reopened it and used modern genetic genealogy to finally get a name. 72-year-old Jean Stoer. But a name was not enough. So detectives followed him, collected a straw he threw away and tested it. The DNA matched. And after 34 years, Jean Stoer was brought into an interrogation room where detectives would ask him the one question he could not answer. >> Now, like the detective here says, we're looking into this case from 1991, which is a long, long time ago, right? and your name popped up. Any idea as to why your name would come up? No. Unless maybe she went to NA or something. >> Okay. Did you you went to NA back then, too? >> Yeah, it was an there was a treatment center off of OBT and I want to say Oak Street was an AA clubhouse. Okay, it's possible. Yeah, that would make sense. >> But she doesn't sound familiar in the newspapers or anything like that. >> Okay. And she was found deceased here locally as well. >> Trying to figure out how my name popped up. >> Well, we'll let you know. And it's We've been the detective. I've been working this case for a long time. Okay. Things in law enforcement takes time. It's not like on TV, right? >> You got an hour show. 20 minutes of that is commercials, okay? As you know. So, these cases do take a long time. And some of these cases are expensive, you know, especially when you're trying to get, you know what DNA is? >> Yes. >> Okay. That's very expensive. Very, very expensive. And so it's not like we call up and say run this DNA. Let's not have our words. We need to get permission all the way up. Probably definitely goes to the chief. It even goes beyond him because that's how expensive it is, right? So these cases do take a long time, but your name did pop up in the investigation and it takes a while. This type of science behind it, it's extravagant. It takes a it took a long time for things to be able to be developed to be able to analyze things as well as they do now. Cuz in 1991, obviously technology is not like it is today. Smartphones and things like that, you can find out things like that. I'm sure that you're aware of that. Um, [clears throat] and like Coral was saying, it it takes time for us to to get the right DNA and to analyze it. Okay. And like I had mentioned, she was found deceased and your name came up in the investigation. Okay. And it was all connected through DNA, blood DNA. And you know, we're not here to lie to you. >> [snorts] >> Okay. Our job here is to find out the truth. What happened? Cuz this lady here, I don't know her. The detective doesn't know her. But she has a family. And no matter what we do here, she's not going to come back. Okay? [snorts] But at least we can give the family some peace of mind. I'm not sure how much peace of mind. It depends on who the person is. I've never been to a situation where a loved one of mine was found the way she was found. So I I I can't tell you. I can't tell them. I know how you feel cuz I don't know how you feel. My our job here is to find out what really happened, why it happened. That's important. The families want to know why. They already know what happened. So right for 30 years, they don't know why it happened. her son was 8 years old when this happened and has grown up the rest of his life now knowing what happened to his mom but [snorts] not knowing why why did it happen. He grew up from 8 years he's in his 40s now his own family and he has no closure as to what happened to his mom and that's what we're here trying to figure out. We we want to know what happened to her. >> Can you tell us what happened to her? >> I'm sorry I can't. So, why would I'm just going to be I'm like I said, I'm going to be honest with you and [snorts] I want you to be honest with us. Okay, there's only three of us in this room. Okay, you can say you don't know what happened to her, right? But we know certain things that we know you were there. We wouldn't be talking to you if you weren't there. We can prove you were there. We can prove that scientifically you were there. Right? So it's not like we just took your name out of a hat and said, "Okay, let's go talk to this guy." That's not how cuz then we're just wasting our time. We know you were there. We can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt that you were there. So, we just want to know what happened, why this happened. You know, you don't look like a bad person. We have interviewed some killers. You're not one of them. So, we want to give you the opportunity of telling us why this happened so we can tell the families. >> I don't have any answers for you, >> Jean. I I I don't believe that. Okay. We wouldn't be sitting here talking to you about this. I know there's a side of the story. Okay. I know you have a side of the story. Everybody has one. Like like he's saying, there's a reason why we're here talking to you today. Okay. Your blood was on her. That cannot change. The percentage is 1.6 trillion to one. There's not even a trillion people in the world that we cannot get away from that you can't get away from. Right? So, I know it was a long time ago. Things happen. All right. But like I said, we know you were there cuz your blood was there. And blood is better than the fingerprint. Much better than the fingerprint. I understand what you're saying, but I don't know anything. >> I can't imagine how this has weighed on you for 33 years. like that pressure and always having that in the back of your mind knowing what happened. And I know it it can build up and I know in 2015 it built up quite a bit. Okay? So I know you've been stressing out about this since it happened. It's not something that you can just forget. Okay? I know that. And I know that you've been wanting to try and talk to somebody about this. Okay? Now's your opportunity to finally let it out. Okay? And and finally get it off. I don't know what you want me to say. I know nothing about this. >> Jean, what? >> I know that's not true. >> So if you're saying you don't know nothing about this, [snorts] how comes your blood was there? >> I don't know. I don't know that it was. You're telling me it was, but if I wasn't there, how's my blood get there? >> Good question. Good question. That will never change. Like I said before, we're not here to lie to you. Really not. Like, it doesn't benefit us one bit. Right. Myself and detective here, we're not getting promoted off this case. That's not not how this goes. Right? We're not becoming movie stars off this case. That's all TV. Okay? But the one thing that we know that will never ever change here is that your blood was on her. That can't change. Maybe you have a rational reason why it's there and I'm willing to listen to that, but that doesn't change. cuz we're not the just the two have been working on this case. A lot of people been looking on this case even back then and St. Cloud was nothing. Nobody knew what St. Cloud was. Right? So back since this lady was discovered until today, people have been working on this case. maybe not daily. So, we're not the we just happen to be the last two and that's what this is you have a to explain. Okay, you're saying that you weren't there. You don't know what happened. Okay. How did her blood get on her? How did your blood, not his, not mine, not siblings of yours, yours. remember 1.6 trillion to one and that's what you're going to have to answer to cuz think about it if you're on the other side you're on my side and I'm over there and you know that 1.6 6 trillion to one but done by DNA labs that this is what they do and the person is telling and I'm telling you I don't know what I don't know anything I wouldn't anywhere you can you know what would you think I don't know what to think [sighs] I do not know how this happened. >> That's what we're here. We want to find out what happened. >> I don't know. >> Okay. And you have no reason why or you don't know why your blood would be on her? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Got a couple pictures if you're willing to look at them. Okay. This is This is Julia. Okay. And this was her when we found her. Okay. Mhm. She's got a lot of blood on her. Okay. And this is her. This is where she was. This is her right there. We're not lying about the blood. Mm- She was stabbed 17 times. That's a lot. Usually they say cases like this is someone that knows her because it's has a lot to do with feelings. So like we said, that's where all that blood hers and yours. Nobody else. Was it just an accident? Was it a mistake? cuz I don't you don't seem like you're the kind of person that's going around being a mass murderer, >> right? >> Cuz there's something built up that just I don't know the woman. I didn't do it. >> I don't know if you're trying to get me to >> You're not do something. I don't know her. I never met her. [snorts] >> Unless she happened to be at one of those NA meetings. I don't know the woman. I don't know. Could be. I don't know. We're not trying to get you to say anything here. We just want the truth. >> And if you're telling us what you're telling us, we have a problem. We have a big problem. >> I guess we have a problem because I don't know her. I don't know nothing about her. I don't know nothing about this. >> You're saying you don't remember this anything. You never did this. You don't remember her. I believe I would have remembered if I'd have done that. That's not something you're going to forget. >> I don't think you forgot. I don't think so either. >> This I think has been haunting you. Well, let me put it this way. I know it would haunt me. They were definitely because >> for me like the detective here said earlier, you don't look like a fullblown killer. What they think you look like is a person that made a mistake. Big difference. Huge difference. We all make mistakes in life growing up. Some are little, some are big, right? And that's what I get from you. That's a vibe. I don't really I don't know you, but that's a vibe I get. This is a gentleman that made a mistake and has been living with this mistake for 30 something. That's a long time. A very, very long time. You didn't continue to make a mistake. You cleaned up your life from from drugs, alcohol. You remarried a good woman. You worked hard. You're in your How old are you now? 76. >> I'll be 73 next this week. >> Right. Right. So, you made amends. So that's why I said you look to me like a person that made a mistake. Come on. We need to know what happened. I do not know. I don't know how my blood is there. I didn't know the woman. You may not known her. That that might be true, but there was some type of connection there enough for your blood to end up on her. >> Mhm. I can show exactly where on this photo where your blood was located. It's right there on the right side of her shorts. Okay, we have those shorts with us. We've analyzed them and it's been tested for the last 33 years and it took us till right now to identify whose blood that is. And it's not just it's a mixture of yours, hers, and yours separately on her. Okay. It's taken us this long to identify that blood. And then we have your DNA and collected it and compared it and it was a match. 1.6 trillion. Jean, there's an explanation there. I just by you talking to us for the last hour, we know you're not a bad guy and we know you've had some anger problems. Everybody has anger problems, right? You know, we you've you've battled and struggled with that and you've been working on that. Was this just something that you made the mistake you couldn't control yourself? >> I didn't do it. I didn't know her. I can't tell you what I don't know. >> How you explain your blood? >> I can't. >> You see where the problem is? >> I understand. You keep telling me my blood's there. I don't know how. >> All right. Nobody's going to believe you. They're going to say, "Well, [snorts] there's there is only certain ways for your blood to get on her. There is contact somehow between you and her." That's the only way it gets there. I've been racking my brain to say, "How could his this gentleman's blood be on her?" And it boils down to one thing all the time. It was contact between the both of them. What that contact is, you have to fill that in. I can't fill it in for you cuz your blood just doesn't go out of you and get onto somebody, right? Tells me you got hurt, you got injured, and you bled. That's the only way blood gets on somebody. The skin has to be cut. That's the only way. And that's where the whole issue that you're going to have. So you can say, "Well, I don't know what you're talking about. I was never there." They're going to go, "Okay, but but with blood and and these are experts are going to testify. The medical examiner is going to testify to how blood gets from one person to the next person. And there's only one way to do that. There is contact somehow. Whether is contact from part place A or place B, there is contact. That's the only way. So that's what we're dealing with right now. And like I like the detective says, this has been presented to a judge. Judge sign an arrest warrant for you. So the judge is looking at the evidence and he has everything. They're not talking to us. He's looking at the evidence also and he's going, "Okay, how do we know this is this gentleman's blood? This is his DNA. Where was his D? What DNA?" Cuz there different types of DNA. Blood. Okay. Where was the blood on the victim? That's hard to dispute unless you come up with a logical answer. That's why I asked you. Did you help move her? Could be. That's how you get. I'm trying to think. >> I didn't have anything to do with anything. >> Okay. >> Then who had, >> sir? >> And who had that? If you didn't have nothing to do with anything, then who had something to do with it? >> I know nothing about it. I don't I didn't hurt her. I don't know who did. >> And you're saying you don't know how your blood got on her? >> Yes, sir. I'm saying that. >> Okay. Nobody's going to believe you. >> Okay. Nobody's a juryy's not going to believe you. >> Okay? >> A juryy's going to think he's saying or through his attorney, he's going to say [snorts] A, B, and C. And they're going to go that's not plausible. It's not like she was wearing your shoes. She was wearing your socks. Okay? She may have stolen it. Okay? You may have thrown it out and she found it and put it on. >> Do you understand what I'm trying to say to you? >> I understand what you're saying. I've cleaned up a lot of [ __ ] in the last four years. I can't clean up what I don't have anything to do with. >> Any other scars or injuries you've suffered through the years? >> Just operations. I had this hand redone, this hand redone. I had my shoulder redone. Okay. cuz she fought back when this was happening. She tried to have this stopped and that there's evidence to say that. You keep going back to them and I know nothing about this. >> This is what we're here for. >> Okay, you can jam me all you want. I know nothing about it. My scars have nothing to do with it. This is documented. This is documented. This is documented. This is documented. >> How can how can we explain how your blood ended up on her? >> I don't know. Do you understand? Like when they ask you how do you explain that her blood, your blood got on her and your answer is I don't know. What do you think they're going to think? >> I don't have an answer to that either. >> They're going to think you're not being honest. That's what they're going to think. Because like I said before, there's only a couple ways your blood gets on her. And the only one way I can come up with is that there was some kind of contact. Had to be. Cuz it's blood. My blood's not going to get on you. Your blood's not get on me. Unless we're have close contact. We can be probably 5t away from each other. My blood's not going to get on you and your blood's not get on me. Now we are fighting and we are close contact. That's different. And by saying I don't know, there's one thing you say, well, I don't remember. That's different. People forget that. I forget stuff. You'd be surprised what I forget. I believe I would remember if I had something to do with that. >> Well, I would hope so. That's what we call in the business up close contact. up and close. 17 stab wounds. That's close. It's not like you've shot her or somebody shot her 17 times. Yeah, you can do that from 25 yards if you're a good shot. Okay. And that's not close. Her blood is not going to get on you. Now, if you shot her maybe three feet, yeah, cuz you have blowback, right? with a knife. You got to get up close. Have to get up close. That's why butchers are all full of blood cuz they got to get up close to cut that animal. So saying I don't know, people are going to wonder. The judge is going to wonder. It's not like somebody else's DNA was on it. Only yours. Yours in a mixture with hers like this. So there's contact her her blood, your blood mixture, your blood by itself on her. You still have that mixture. That's close contact, right? Experts will tell you that. So, this is where we are right now. And like I said, you don't look like a cold blooded killer. You're taught, right? Guy that made a mistake. Yeah, we all make mistakes. The DNA profile obtained from this sample is approximately 1.9 trillion times likely that it originated from Julie Wilm and Gene Stellar. Remember there not even a trillion people in the world. [snorts] Couple billion but not trillions. >> This DNA profile is approximately one in every 937illion individuals. There's never even been subtillion amount of people on Earth. So what that's telling you is except for you, there's no one else in the world that that blood could be from the start [snorts] of mankind. That goes from back to Genesis. There haven't been that many people born except for you. That's why we're here. This is your chance. Mhm. >> I was just about to say that >> this is the opportunity right now to finally lay out everything cuz your blood ended up here. And like he just said, your blood's not going to fall from the sky. You're not. It's not going to come out of your mouth like saliva. Something happened to cause your blood to end up on her. Right here. Her right there. Okay. It was right here on her shorts. That's a fact. >> Proven by evidence, >> right? And that's not going to change. That it will not change. And then it was a match with those numbers that I just read to you. Okay, this is how we got here. >> And that wasn't cheap. Take it from me. It's not cheap. So Jean, we know something happened. Okay, it's time to give yourself some closure for this. >> Come on, Jean. Get it off your shoulder. You can't get around this. >> I can't tell you what I don't know. >> So, just remember, you're going to be charged with murder. >> That's serious. >> We've had this blood sample for since this happened. All it's took was just technology to catch back up to us. Yeah. >> Cuz we had this evidence. It has been waiting around for 33 years to be identified. Mhm. >> Okay. Until just now, it's saying 33 years and since this year some months to be able to identify it and get it tested and get us in the direction of you and then we start looking into you. Okay, this guy's got no history, nothing, right? Couple DUIs, a drug charge, that's it. And then we go, we do some surveillance on you and we collect a sample of your DNA. Then we get it tested by the same lab that's tested these shorts and the blood that happened from this incident. And it's a match. And it is a partial match. You said what? And they didn't say it was a partial match. the amount of match they're talking about not that many humans ever born. >> You heard the numbers. >> Yeah. >> Like something happened between the two of you that resulted in your blood ending up on her. And the only person that's going to be able to give us what happened is you. I can't give it to you. Okay. >> Okay. Evidence doesn't lie. witnesses though. People People will lie in court. People will lie to us constantly. All [snorts] right. DNA doesn't lie. It's going to be hard to [snorts] say that the DNA is not yours cuz it's been tested. It's been compared and compested. compared it was tested came back to you. Then it was compared [snorts] another sample compared is heaven. Same didn't say anybody else. Didn't say a brother. Didn't say your a sister, a mother at all, a family member. Didn't say that. Right to you. Your saliva specifically is what matched us to this blood. Cuz everybody's saliva is different. All three of us are different. [sighs] Can't get away from that. Like I said, you don't look like a cold blooded killer to me. Don't. There got to be a reason why. Has to be a reason why your blood is there. You know, it's not like this happened in your house. Okay, now you can explain why your blood's there [snorts] or you guys are having a relationship and then your blood is and then your blood is there. Jean, Sergeant Backer. I've been kind of listening in on the interview and I just have some questions that I need answered for myself, okay? Because I've read the reports. I've read the genealogy. I kind of understand the science behind it. What I cannot understand and what you have not been able to explain is how your blood is on this woman's shorts. This woman who was found stabbed to death right outside of this building back in 1991. And that's why I'm in here because I I need to figure out how that's possible. I don't have an answer. I keep saying I don't have an answer. >> So, we can agree that you lived in CMI in 1991, right? >> Yeah. I'm walking pretty >> probably. Yeah. >> And I know for a fact that this woman lived in Civia in 1991. You mentioned you had a cocaine problem back then. >> Yeah. This woman had a cocaine problem back then. You mentioned that you had some interactions with sex workers back then. >> No. >> Well, said you got you got laid in a sex club. >> Oh, mouseet trap up in Orlando. >> Okay. >> I dated some of the people that worked there. Well, >> well, went out with them. You could technically call them sex workers then if they >> provided you services for money. >> Okay. >> This woman was a sex worker. >> I don't know that she worked there. She more as as far as I know worked the streets. But she also frequented areas like McLaren Circle which you said you frequented. >> No, I said I went once and >> Okay. cuz I got stopped on the way out. >> You went there with the intent to buy cocaine. >> Yes, sir. >> And she also used cocaine. >> You said you had an alcohol problem, right? That caused you to have blackouts. >> I have blacked out drinking. Yes. >> And the fact that you cannot explain how your blood ended up on the this this woman's shorts. You don't think that that be could be because of your drug and alcohol use that maybe you had some sort of blackout? Maybe you were with this woman one night. When I blacked out, I was mostly at home and lived in Orlando or where I live now. Um, there was a 10-year period where I didn't go to meetings, but I was sober because of my wife cuz her first husband was a alcoholic. >> Okay. But in 1991, you were not sober. >> No. Off and on. >> In 1991, you were using drugs and alcohol at the same time. >> I would imagine then. Yes. >> You would imagine? I Yeah, I drank and I I because I was going to NA and AA. >> Is there a lot from that time period that you can't remember? >> No, I can probably tell you where I worked and what I drove and But how about when you weren't at work and when you weren't driving, when you were out enjoying your weekend off or your nights, having some drinks, having some cocaine. >> I very seldom drink out. It's too expensive to drink out and drink at home. This last That's where we were drinking before we got sober, my wife and I, at home. >> But but you admit that you did drink and you used cocaine and you weren't always working. >> Yeah. So on those nights and weekends where you were not at work and you were drinking and you were using cocaine, how was your memory then? Can you remember every one of those nights? Can you remember the final? >> No. >> So is it possible that you met up with this other cocaine user? Maybe you guys hung out together. Maybe it was just an acquaintance. Maybe she tried to sell you drugs. Maybe she tried to steal your drugs. And maybe something happened. Maybe there was an argument. Maybe there was a fight. Maybe she stabbed you first. But there's got to be a reason. There's got to be an explanation for how your blood ended up on her shorts. I don't have a clue. The girl does not ring a bell. I'm sure I would remember that crap. I would hope you'd remember it just because of how intense the situation probably played out. But this right here is your one opportunity to give your side of the story on how it played out and why it played out. But if you can't remember it, then it's going to have to go with how our report reads, which is that this lady was stabbed 17 times and then dumped on the side of a highway. And your blood and her blood are in a combined mixture on her shorts. the shorts she was wearing when she was stabbed 17 times and dumped on the side of a highway. I don't have a side of the story. Okay. [music] Just wanted to give you an opportunity if you had a side to air it out. I don't have a side of the story cuz that, like I said, that's the story that we put forward to the judge. That's the story that the judge signed an arrest warrant on. That's the story that your parents are going to hear, that your wife is going to hear. It's the story I'm going to tell them if I have the opportunity, >> which is what? >> To make a phone call, let my wife know what's going on. when he told me I would get to do that. >> Oh, okay. I understand. So, that's the story you're going to tell them that that your blood ended up on a murder victim's shorts. A murder victim who was stabbed 17 times and dumped on the side of the highway and you can't provide any explanation of why. >> That's what I will tell my wife. Yes. >> Okay. It's the only story I have. You know, there's a possibility that you'll spend the rest of your life in prison. >> Yes, sir. That's what I'm figuring right now. [sighs] >> You seem very calm for a person who's being accused of a violent murder, like not shocked. >> I don't know what to do. I'm scared as hell. I don't know. My insides are like this. I do not know what to do. >> I hear you're saying that, but that's not the reaction that I'm seeing. Your body language isn't showing that. >> Your body language is speaking with someone >> to be acting. >> Well, I've seen people who are accused of things they didn't do and they're it's a different reaction. Not all of them have the same reaction, but it's very different from the reaction that you're having now. The reaction that you're having now is is one of content. Like it finally caught up with you and you've just given up and you have nothing to say. Not surprised, not angry, not confused, just content. No, I'm not content. I'm scared as hell and I'm worried for my wife. You're telling me that I'm there. I'm telling you I wasn't. I don't know what to do. What good is it going to do me to kick and scream and cuss and carry on? >> I've learned to be a little better than that. >> Doesn't do you any good, but that is the most common reaction for someone accused of something this violent when they know that they're innocent of it. >> In my head, what I've learned to believe is this will work out the way God wants it to work out. That's the spirituality that I've learned through the AA program. Things take care of themselves. It doesn't do me any good to kick and scream. I'm about in freaking tears because I don't know how this happened. I don't know what to tell you. The guy that was sitting there told me I don't act like a stone cold killer. And you tell me I'm not acting right. >> I'm not saying you act like a stone cold killer either. I I don't know how I'm supposed to act. I've never been in this position. >> I don't think that when you made contact with this woman that you had the intent to kill her. I think something bad happened. I think she left you without a choice. That's what I think. Because I've looked up your history and I've looked up her history and she was no angel. Is it just too difficult to say out loud? Would it be easier to talk about it if I gave you a piece of paper to write what happened? >> No, cuz I don't know what happened. I didn't know this woman. >> You didn't have to know her. You just had to have contact with her cuz that's the only way that someone's blood gets on another person. You're worried about them finding out, but that's not what you need to be worried about. They're going to find out. >> I've already told my wife and she's telling my parents. She hasn't told him already why I'm here. >> Right. >> But your wife hasn't seen these pictures. She doesn't know. You You told her that Well, I'm Miss Eisen. I'm in here for murder. I'm in here because my DNA was on a woman that was murdered 33 years ago. >> Right. But she doesn't know about these pictures. She has to see how horrific these pictures are. And she's going to see them. >> Everything is going to come out in trial. >> Mhm. Everything. Yep. Cuz they're going to play all these pictures. They're going to show all these pictures. So, if she comes to the trial, she's going to see them. And they probably won't even have to wait that long because at 400 p.m. today, there's going to be a press release and the news is probably going to pick up on the story. And then at 5:00 p.m., it's going to be all over. And there's going to be two options. We tell them the story that we have, which is that someone was brutally murdered and dumped in our city 33 years ago, and we caught the person who did it. Or there's more to the story. Mhm. There's got to be more to the story cuz I didn't [ __ ] do this. Then who did? I don't know. >> And how did your DNA get on her? >> I don't know. I'm sorry. >> I've sit here nicely. I've talked. I don't know. I don't know what I don't know. And why don't you know it? Was it because you were Cuz I didn't [ __ ] do it. >> Then how did your blood >> I don't know. That's your shorts. Your blood is on the shorts. There got to be a reason why your blood and only your blood is on her shorts. Nobody else's. And [clears throat] your blood and what's even worse, your blood is in with her blood. So that's why when I spoke to you earlier, this is why I know there's some there's some kind of close contact. It has to be cuz I'm pretty sure you're not going to cut yourself and all of a sudden throw your blood and it gets on her pants. It doesn't work that way. >> Especially when you say you've never seen her before. [snorts] >> Exactly. I'm just trying to make it make sense. That's it. >> It doesn't make sense to me, >> right? >> So, I can't make it. >> So, so if it doesn't make sense to you, then you can understand why it doesn't make sense to us. Jean Stuller was arrested and charged with seconddegree murder and disturbing a body in connection with the 1991 killing of Julia Willilbanks.