police officers love to demand ID from people without having the right to but what happens when the officers say one specific sentence to a student that could result in a major lawsuit he said that you're aware are you aware that unless you or no we're not going to argue with you well this is actually a common area so we're allowed you for something yes here's an insane example of police officers harassing law students who know more about the law than they do this incident happened at the New Mexico State University Police Department where a college law student went against the nsmu campus police who tried to accuse him of bringing alcohol into the building let's see how things slowly get juicier and juicier I was like hey I can help you is there anyone else in here uh no it's just me okay you mind just opening the door that way I can see uh you're trying to what channel does it look for I just want to make sure there's no one else in there I'm sorry and then I'll talk to you at home there's no one in there right now okay all right come out here and talk to me though yeah I'm gonna be honest with you so we gotta report that um you were seen walking into your dorm with alcohol in there I don't answer questions what's your name in your base number officer fertile NMSU please title a name Security Office okay okay you have an idea with you I do okay uh you suspect me of a crime I do okay what crime and how can you articulate it minor position around huh we got a report that you were locked in so it's like here that they say they said a thing okay it's a yeah right it's like they said that he has and that that's how you're gonna articulate it so we don't have to go down this route if you wanna if you want to go down this route we can well I really don't but like you're I'm studying right now I'm doing homework okay knocked on my door I'm out here I want to know what song you say that they said that there's alcohol in this room okay they saw me going into this room and that there's alcohol in there how can you articulate it though okay so that's why I'm here talking to you yeah okay so I still need an IDU uh no and then we need to go from there you have to you have to suspect me of a crime I I do you you realize that uh clouds in New Mexico don't have qualified immunity right I do that right okay so from here and on just let's just be careful with what you're about to do right now are you saying that you want my ID but right now you're not you or yourself can articulate a crime that I've committed okay so so I already explained to you I am here why I know what you hear but okay is my ID gonna tell you if there's alcohol in that room no but I still need to identify my name is Joelle Joelle Joelle I made your first last name in your date of birth no you don't so the auditor isn't obligated to provide his ID in this scenario since he hasn't done anything wrong at all plus you can just hear the confusion in the officer's voice since he's slowly realizing he's about to get schooled really bad if you don't want to provide that you don't want to call officer Donovan or one of your supervisors here yeah because right now this is not what you want to do right now because this is a violation of my fourth amendment okay all right let me let me get a surgeon over here okay yeah [Music] yeah okay you know just hang out out here then uh is he detained no it's fine I just don't want anyone you could go in then if he's not detained he's free to go yeah he's free to go but he can't go in the room he can't no not at this guy all right just do Let It Be bro just hey someone called and said that they saw uh or meet walk in there with the case of beer but that's all they have so so it's an investigation I'm talking to him he doesn't want to identify himself so until we get this figured out there's a sergeant on the way that's going to talk to him until this gets figured out I don't want anyone to go in the room you're free to go anywhere else that's fine you're not detained or anything but is anything going to happen if I don't identify myself you can be arrested for concealing identity yes so okay so do you that's what you I want you to say if you don't like to me right now if I don't give you my ID that you're gonna arrest me I want you to give me that ultimatum so just hold on you want to wait you said you wanted to wait speak to a supervisor so let's just do that okay then okay thank you and keep your hands out of your pockets for me [Music] appreciate it the supervisor finally arrives and the officer who harassed the auditor at first has a little chat with him so make contact us at the door he got his phone out started recording right away okay that's my time while you're here got a report that walked in there with alcohol ask them if anyone else is in the room he said God no nuts in the room like her kicking open the door so I can see make sure no that's sitting around I'm not gonna do that okay I'll come out hand stuff talk to me okay so he comes out oh are you suspecting yeah crime right now I'm not doing the pain all that kind of stuff um it's my turn what was reported to us and I like well that's all hearsay what is what is that gonna do if I if you identify well we're suspecting you of a crime it's a misdemeanor so I at least need to identify you what we go what we do from there that whatever but doesn't he gave me his first name as your well who doesn't want to get a last name or date of birth um and asked to speak to officer Donovan or one of my supervisors cool okay so right now we have minor in possession of alcohol possibly and he asked me if anything's going to happen if I don't or if he doesn't give me his name and date of birth I tell them that potentially you can be arrested for concealing identity okay I want you to give me that ultimatum right here right now but if I don't give you my ID that you're an arrest mode for concealing at a minute and I said boy do you want to talk to the supervisor so how about we just wait till the surgery after a little chatter another student comes to the hallway and starts dancing and emoting in front of the officers he said that you're aware are you aware that unless you or that New Mexico doesn't have qualified immunities I think that's what he's trying to get in I don't know that's pretty much where we're at okay hi hi name in Bachelor please my badge number is two one two two one all right thank you uh officer said here that if I don't ID I will be subject to arrest is that true possible yes a possible yes or no I need I need that ultimatum or else I won't get my ID okay so technically right now yes you could be arrested I need a yes or no like I need you to tell me if you don't give me your ID right now I'm gonna arrest him why would I say that to you because I need that ultimatum because right now you're asking and I have the right to say no because you're asking you're not it's not a lawful order I need you to make it a lawful order contained for suspicion of minor um in possession of alcohol I need to see your ID okay and if not and if not you could be considered because New Mexico statutes says that concealing of identity is a secondary charge I would have to have been arrested or suspected of a crime right now you hear just hearsay the rest of your suspected you're being suspected I'm what I'm what grounds okay so do you have possession I don't answer questions I walk grounds so you don't have any alcohol gowns I don't answer questions I won't get out yeah that's her room bro man it's her they're trying to go in bro they're trying to ID me and [ __ ] but not okay so who are you talking to I'm recording you recording you're okay all right so here's the deal by saying could what we were trying to do is we're trying to be cooperative with you and have you been Cooperative with us and help us clear this matter okay I gave him my name Joel you don't need my last name and you do not need my date of birth unless you want to run me for it unless you want to run my name through your system are you trying to run my name to the system I don't answer questions I don't answer questions I'm asking questions I don't it's my fifth amendment is it or is it not okay so the question is is that like the officer told you you're being suspected of having possession of alcohol underage so even the supervisor doesn't back down and cannot answer the auditor's question with a simple yes or no he keeps saying could and doesn't say anything concrete so the conversation continues and soon becomes a little more heated so in that case the easiest way to prevent this is for you to let us know either you have you got somebody saw you carry a case of beer you have case of beer in your possession I don't answer questions all right um so the others the next the next step in this process would be would you give us consent to check your room nope to make sure that you have no alcohol better not consent to any surges more seizures okay very good all right um this is completely up to you how you want to play this you could get a warrant or you get so you have probably costs go ahead now we do have reasonable suspicion that possibly a crime had been committed trying to investigate that you're certainly welcome to refuse if you wish I know but we need to ID you citation you're saying could I need you to say you will I'm giving you giving you opportunity to no I need that ultimatum I will give you my ID if you say that I'm going to go get arrested if I don't give it to you so you'll give us if we say that if you say that yes sir because that's already grounds for me to set up litigation against you so you're threatening to sue us I ain't throwing nothing brother that's what you just said it's not a threats it's not a threat it gives me grounds does it or does it not all right let's pause and look at the supervisor's eyes for a second do you see that it's fear and it's seen in his eyes the fear of a lawsuit the fear of being overpowered by a student which is happening right before his very eyes let's see how he'll talk his way out of this if he even can answer questions okay so the easiest installment solution to this is what too well okay by just saying Joelle there's a thousand Jewels I need a last name for what you're gonna run I told you you won my name for the report I need to have your name I didn't even have to give you my first name for that report you could literally put the citizen or the or the guy or the suspect yes you can yes it does I'm a law student here you're not gonna come over here and try to violate my rights so I'm not trying to violate your rights and I'm trying to be cooperative with you and you because okay I'm be cooperating and they said that I'm not gonna give my ID unless I'm gonna I'm gonna get arrested say it and I'll give you my ID just say if you don't give me your ID I'm gonna arrest you so you wanna yes I want you to give me that ultimatum you really want the ID why because you know you can't you know you don't have that ultimatum you know you can because you know that opens up for litigation the officers don't want to say what the auditor is telling them to since they know very well they could get sued in case they say that so obviously they don't know what to do the supervisor then pulls out his phone and starts looking for something perhaps Googling or asking chat GPT what to do in this situation and to make this clear I'm detained right now right correct thank you oh no I'm in your view I'm telling you you need to stay over here just keep recording Sean don't let them intimidate you oh let me take my hand i'm keep recording Sean don't let him intimidate you oh let me take my hand on my pocket thank you there's two guys right here with blocks and scared of it scared of a 19 year old the phone bro well I'm not scared of a 19 year old with the phone I have come on man don't do that okay seriously that's just me do you see something in my pocket okay well we would like for you to do that for us just to be cooperative like just like for you to say what you want me to do are you googling the laws right now because that's really what you should be doing right now all right cool are you okay with that yeah continue are you sure you're okay with that yeah and give you permission oh thank you very much I appreciate it okay so are you sure you have a class at the end of us okay so here's why we need your name and date of birth I'm going to read you the law because you are a law student okay Sean continent of New Mexico it's all being recorded yeah I know third party cameras running so I'm gonna use my so concealing identity consists of concealing one's true name or Identity or disguising oneself with the intent to obstruct the due execution of the law I'm abstracting or yes technically you are with the intent to intimidate hinder or interrupt any public officer or any person in illegal performance of his duties or exercise of his rights under the law of the United States okay so your investigation is investigating that I'm a possession of alcohol right that's exactly okay if I don't give you if I give you my IDs I'm going to tell you if I do or do not have alcohol in that room yeah foreign that is totally within your rights I know but you refusing to identify yourself To Us by name and date of birth yeah full name date of birth that is concealing identity yeah okay okay so just tell me if I don't care lady you're gonna arrest me show us your ID when you see your ID or you will be arrested thank you don't got that right yeah yeah you got that [ __ ] pigs for real so we finally did it the officer finally said what the auditor wanted him to say all along and now he's in deep trouble can you smell the lawsuit coming also notice hoes the officer's hand is shaking as he's holding it in front of the camera while talking he's about as nervous as it gets why do you use that term because why the [ __ ] are you searching my [ __ ] like we're not searching now my identification is it or is it not a seizure of my identification yes or no we just need to see who you are in order to I told you in the investigation today I've done my legal name my name is your first name what is my Joel not the legal name or what Joel what she has my ID go look at it perfect that's always good thank you that's all we needed please go down here real quick please am I able to go in my room no not yet just hold up for just a minute please guys okay so he's denying us for his consent to search but we have him ID so we're going to take her make sure we take a report yep and then um so basically we got called some of the suspected him of having alcohol in his dorm room carrying a case of beer in okay he's 19 years old um we will take a case report on it it'll be a case number drawn pretty much basically he's pushing the issue on the concealing identity but now that we've now that we've negated that we don't have to do any more we will take it apart just to document thank you okay any questions uh just the report yeah we'll get that here in just a minute all right thank you appreciate it we're done okay have a good night you guys know what your room thank you thanks if we really wanted to push the issue we could stop and lock the room down and get it get a search warrant but we have an anonymous complaint yeah it's really kind of really kind of one of those things that's up in the air we don't want to we don't want to do that I appreciate you though you're a professional thanks a lot now the officers want to get a search warrant to find out whether he's actually got any alcohol or not but what does that help them when they've been embarrassed in front of so many students and are clearly too scared to confront the kid professionally I agree between this you guys need anything else no problem thank you guys for coming out pretty good like yeah uh my name's oxfordle my batch number is 202. I think oh wait they're right here thank you just listening to zero are you listening all right anything else I can help you guys I think we just throw some braces I'm gonna get complaints on both of your asses he knows who I am she don't even knows who I am okay perfect all right appreciate it for real have a nice day yeah yeah and did you find anything with that ID brother did you find out if there's alcohol in here or not with that identity so that's fine so we're not gonna We're Not Gonna argue with you well this is actually a common area so we're allowed to be here for something [ __ ] out of here yes why are you doing this [ __ ] out of here because you [ __ ] got my ID for no [ __ ] ing sir thank you have a nice day yeah all right bye have a nice day you can even hear the kids booing the officers in the back when they're leaving that's just too funny questions I'm on the east side okay I'm gonna walk back by here in just a minute oh so [Music] okay sounds good I'm over on the other side okay all right all right I will call the deputy I will call the chief real quick and just let him know supposedly there's going to be a complaint on us so Joel Martinez [Music] are you going back to the office yeah I'm headed back that way so I'll go call the chief real quick and let him know what happened to the officers isn't yet known since the video is very recent however my predictions are that there was no alcohol found and that the student filed a lawsuit against them like he said he would and like he had the right to