yeah there is no stop you know that from the jump I'm not giving nobody no hard time bro I told you we were just trying to follow p man that's it I'm going tell my supervisor ain't got a come police officers should know very well when they are allowed to ask for an ID but what happens when they try to ID a man boldly Assuming he's an armed criminal no I'm I'm I'm willing to identify myself if I had committed a crime that's what I'm saying so so now so under no circumstances I'm not my ID here is a crazy example of police officers trying to ID the wrong guy who then forces them to give up and leave the story began in February 2023 where a few police officers from the Newark PD stopped Mr KB somewhere in New Jersey the reason for the Stop was a 911 call from a witness who claimed a man fitting his description was armed with a gun and walking around the neighborhood the officer talking the most is Sergeant Vasquez this is the recording from Mr KB what's going on work with the city of newk man kick rocks keep it pushing I don't know why he stopping me I'm on I'm working right now I'm I'm work for the city of nor we keep it pushing you wasting your time I'm out there the city of North yeah what you mean what it mean I'm under the official duties working you stopping me you don't have Reasonable Suspicion suspicion of a cry make sure you put your body cameras all right making sure yeah you don't have no Reasonable Suspicion of a crime to stop me and I just told you I was working and my idea in my my IDE in the truck you can't stop me just for having this stuff on man seriously I'm telling you man y'all playing with the wrong one huh no I'm looking for something that's why y'all stop me from looking from doing what I got to do I'm looking for something I'm looking for my guardian angel like man I had dropped it out here but y'all stop me like I'm a terrorist bro that's what I'm saying I don't appreciate that man am I free to leave yes or no sir Mr cardio what's your badge number all right what's your reason for stopping me sir no don't talk to me that way you dis me don't tell me to be quiet because we stopped you now we have to do fi we have to do a stop report I already identified Myself by telling you that I work for the uh sanitation I'm not required by uh state law or New Jersey statute or United States Constitution to give you my uh name I already told you I work for City and I already told you I work for sanitation that's that's during a Terry stop m Mr KB declined to provide identification to the officers asserting that he wasn't obligated to do so under state or federal law it's improbable that he would be charged with obstruction for his refusal you can't stop me just from wearing this stuff you feel me just from wearing all black with a helmet on I told you what I was doing so that's no I told you what I was doing I'm looking for something you still wasting my time you say you're looking for something your your truck is over here you're working but identify about the squash all this yeah let me call my let me call my supervisor and you can call your supervisor you about to escalate we not about to do this escalate what you been recorded on your yeah I already asked the gohost I already asked to be sent on my way and you sitting here telling me that I'm being detained you put me through an unlawful detention I don't care about none of that stuff you talking about yeah you saying I'm about to escalate ain't nobody escalating nothing man you I'm still sitting here you still never tell me if I'm not free to leave you're not well you're not getting an ID so what are you what are you talking about then you know what I said smoke a cigarette I can call my supervisor I like standof man this is what I do that [ __ ] don't bother me none of you guys intimidate me I'm just let you know I'm very calm your very cordial I'm ask you g am I free to leave yes or no all right what crime am I being investigated for bro we're stoping because badge number 82 badge number 15 badge number what's your badge number sir we were G we were giv your descript that's fine that's fine that's so now being a to stop you obviously I've been working out here for 5 hours BR I work from six I work from 6 to two bro do do you have any other weapons on besides that knife a knife I'm allowed to have a I'm allowed to have where my knife at all right you are allowed to have allowed to have a work KN what are you talking about I thought it was right here all right I'm oh sh my sh get up here up do you have anything else on you besides that KN do I have any do do I have do you have reasonable all right do you have reason reasonable articles to believe that I have any other weapons on me no I'm serious I'm not even joking with you guys cuz I I already I know how to deal with you guys no you don't you really don't you're making it harder no I'm not what state statute am I in violation of you're asking me a question exct can I call my supervisor from sanitation am I allowed to do that no that's how I know you trying to escalate just give us identification it's not like we're going to do a warrant check none of that extra [ __ ] we just have to identify you send you on your way I'm call on even after all the Talking the officers still want to identify him and they keep on saying he's got weapons on him even though at this point it's pretty clear that he's not the man they're looking for or you can just give me your name oh no I promise to speak you need to speak we're speaking to you give us identification that's it why you making it harder than I promise you on everything I love you not getting identification you might bother ask me call a supervisor yeah call a supervisor all right so you refuse me my supervisor Works in this area he works in this District he's right around the corner that's what I'm saying I don't care about whatever call you got look whatever you call you got a false call that's fine we can't control the uh unit patrol car 228 uh supervisor for was it second no that's not him he's not here yet oh okay I'm not making that hard man y y don't want to intimidate me bro you call a whole call a whole second and first fre whatever you want to call I'm told you what I do I work for the city know I work for sanitation I throw the garbage you feel me and I got this i got this on that's probably my supervisor right there he driving one of them cars you telling us that doesn't help with we're asking we're asking for your ID to identify yourself you're not getting ID you can't just say I work for this have y want to do man we can do this I mean I I'm I can cord you and being respectful I ask you would ask you what am I being stopped for what crime what crime am I being committed you said you got a description you said I got a description they said they I probably do it said a guy probably wearing black but what crime but what crime is that you still describe articulate what crime is that that's not a crime I got you saying exactly you're very quiet right now cuz you like I know the state statu you you can't you sitting here stopping me for no artical reason we down you I mean officer Safety Search I mean I mean you have no crime so I don't understand why would you whatever man you talk to I'm not talking to no more you talking about the such thing man you don't know who you talking to bro you got to do some background checks man yeah that's crazy no I'm talking about you think I don't know my rights I know my rights man I'm literally telling you at this point Y making me upset right now as you can see Mr KB clearly knows his rights while the officer clearly don't and that's why they're about to get schooled even harder that's it yeah but you're not getting identification and you literally going I'm really on the clock right now working I'm really sitting here being detained by seven officers 1 2 3 3 4 5 six all you got to do is just give me your name and that's it we all we all D no no I'm not going no I'm not going with that cuz I asked cuz I asked no you you just arrived on the scene all right so look check this out right check this out I already I already made abundantly clear that I worked for uh DPW yeah and I've been here and I I've been my family got to get into all that and I already I already told you what I was doing I'm on the official Duty doing my job and I already said that I can call my supervisor dispatch my supervisor at Works in District my supervisor I can call my supervisor yeah I can call him right now he works he works in the area the reason why I'm here I'm walking down the street I'm looking for my guardian angel like you know where the guardian angel angel oh is it's the magnet that holds on my helmet so I have the light so I have the light so I have the light so I can be visible what's Mar's name om Omar Smith you could asked for his name you not get my name with no ID for what I ain't commit a crime y'all wasting my time right now I'm trying I'm looking out for now see if he riding around cuz he probably looking for me like where the hell am I we're not we're not we're not even all right let's restart right I'm only wearing this I'm only wearing this cuz of the snow and I'm cold I got layers on and [ __ ] know I'm offic everything is Vis record that's fine I love that I love I need you to do that that's transparency and just know that you're being at uh 1044 hours you're being audio all of you are being audio and video recorded right now okay so all right so now now we right yes sir we got a call right for a male fitting your exact description wearing a book bag wearing a walkie-talkie with a tactical okay then they said that they believe that you had a weapon now mind we did not approach you now let me we did not approach you we didn't come at you crazy came at you respectful right the first thing you said yo look and you already it's like you already knew you said look I'm only wearing this you gave us your Reon I told you that later on I just told you that okay so now look now all we're trying to tell you literally is okay right our our suspicion is dispelled but we still need to identify the person we are speaking with the officer contends that Mr KB should be identified even after their initial suspicion has vanished relying on the power to detain based on Reasonable Suspicion however Mr KB's identification wouldn't contribute to addressing the 911 call concerning an armed individual and in New Jersey declining to provide identification during a Terry stop isn't unlawful as a result it's likely that a court would determine the officer's violated the fourth amendment by extending Mr KB's detention without a valid ongoing suspicion I'm I'm I'm willing to identify myself if I had committed a crime that's what I'm saying so so now so under no circumstances I'm not giving you my ID a crime inorder for us to identif you don't know what you're talking about got you need to read we got call some man you about to get you about to get in a lot of trouble if you believe that New York police about to have more uh lawsuits and more Federal uh y' about to be under a federal investigations if you really believe that you can stop people without having articulable suspicion of a crime Reasonable articulable Suspicion of a crime the fact that we got to call someone fitting your exact description really man to ID me I've been doing this for 15 years I don't give nobody no ID that's just what it is it could be it could be corny man but I know my rights it hard hard say what you want to say bro I ain't got to give you no idea that's it 1051 hours supervisor Rising on scene so I don't know I don't know what's going on the reason it sto you cuz they did they we did get a 911 call somebody matching your description was walking around with a handgun even still once you stop me and you you you uh investigate you see that you know I mean I a't got no gun you exactly so so that's where we at the point right now right see you don't have no weapons so you going to be on your way however because you were detain I could get the if I want to I can get like the police report or the transcript for that we'll give you a v number like I we're going to need your identification because you were sto Sergeant Vasquez explains that the stop was prompted by a 911 call describing an individual similar to Mr KB seen with a handgun the Court's determination of whether the officers had Reasonable Suspicion to detain Mr KB would largely depend on The caller's credibility and the specific details provided in the 911 report such as eyewitness accounts or corroborating information oh now you're not getting out there my coming right now you're not getting cuz I I didn't commit a crime you're right but they they sto you for that reason asking for your identification because you were lawfully detained because they believe that you committed a crime because somebody called saying you was walking around you can believe what you want to believe if once you come and investigate and you see that I I haven't committed a crime you let me go that's how that go I know I am right they're tell me this guy tell me I'm not right I know I I've been free to go for the last 30 20 minutes 30 minutes your identification then you're not giving me identification he there is no stop you know that from the jump I'm not giving nobody no hard time I told you we just trying to follow man that's it I'm going tell my supervisor a't got to come sergeant vasare said I'm free to leave so you I mean you don't have to come here but you I'm about to walk up graft meet um meet Ellison do the boxes I can't even finish looking for my stuff now Mr KB was released without any charges or citations and his intentions regarding potential legal action against the officers remain undisclosed