All right. Thanks for being patient again. >> Yeah. >> Um so I I have some more questions, but again I just want to make sure you're aware of your rights. So I just got to read your Miranda rights again. Um doesn't mean that you're going to jail or anything. Just we're in this setting, right? You're detained at this point. I just want to make sure you're aware of your rights. >> Yeah. >> Okay? So you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford to hire an attorney, one will be appointed one will be provided for you. If you decide to answer any questions now without having an attorney present, you still have the right to stop answering at any time until you uh talk to attorney. Do you understand any of these rights I have just read to you? >> Yeah. >> Having these rights in mind, do you want to speak to me? >> Yeah, we can. I mean, once again, I mean, I literally told you everything that I was trying to and I I told the officer the same thing. GoFundMe, we were going to film. I mean, honestly, normally I would never talk to a detective. I've watched probably around 100 hours of interrogations, so I know all the guys' tactics. And I also know how much it's a disadvantage on my part to talk, but I'm telling you I'm not here as a criminal. I'm here as actually like a really good dude. I actually used to be a criminal a really long time ago, and I don't break the law anymore. So it's like I was just trying to get that GoFundMe for Brian. That's the only thing I was doing. It was I was leading a team. You know, I'm I'm I'm a YouTuber, too, and that's what I told the officers, you know, these guys, they They doing what I said. You know, this is my thing and that you know, I don't know what other questions you have but there's not really much else to say about it, you know what I mean? Like that's just what I was doing. I was just, you know, I got I made sure to get the neighbor's permission to put up the sign. So I we made sure we weren't breaking any laws. You know, freedom of speech also like on the poster I would believe. And also once again we weren't going to leave it up. She gave us her permission to film for 1 hour. That's all we were going to use. And we we had it our drone guy coming out like we actually like literally hired people like out of pocket to film this this promo and it was going to go up on YouTube and like I believe it would have at least rectified some of the wrong Mr. Mansell has faced and you know, that that's that was my only goal. Yeah, so I mean I don't know what what other questions do you like I guess have cuz there's not really I guess much else to say in the situation to be honest. That's just the the whole thing that just happened. I mean I'm honestly like kind of shocked to be arrested at this point for that. Yeah, this is definitely a very strange thing to be getting interrogated about especially considering from my angle and the evidence I've seen the overwhelming evidence that they just blatantly stole from this guy. It's like us trying to then do a GoFundMe to get him his money back and I'm the one you know, getting put in cuffs. It's crazy. I mean I guess Yeah, so I mean what what are your questions? That's you know, I'm just not going to keep repeating myself but that's you know, the gist of what just happened from my perspective at least. >> Okay. Well, first off I don't I don't think you're a criminal. I mean I'm not I'm not blaming you as a criminal or anything. I'm I'm I'm just trying to understand what's happening, right? And that's why I'm kind of talking to you to give you the benefit of the doubt because dude, I have no idea what's going on. I'm down in the gym working out and all of a sudden I get a phone call like hey, this guy's coming to the PD and he we need to figure out what's going on. So again, >> so I don't think you're a and if I thought you were a criminal and I thought this was a habitual case, I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt. We'd just kind of just go to jail and whatever. You're not under arrest, but you are detained, right? >> Yeah. >> So, the you know the you know the difference between the two? >> So, like arrest means we have charges and all this stuff and you're going to jail no matter what or what we're getting a charge, but we're just trying to understand what's going on from from everything that happened yesterday and now some more stuff is happening today. >> Yeah, so we were just basically like, "Okay, we're just going to film." This is kind of the ironic part. We were just going to film that and we were going to do the GoFundMe and that was actually going to be the end of the video. And we were going to throw a party cuz we got his money back. That was That was it. That was the last thing we had to do was film that last hour and we were going to be done. That was the finale. That's you know what I mean. That was it. >> Got you. Okay. >> And Ben also is like he's going home, so we just needed That's, you know, why they did see me on FaceTime with him, but he was actually like, "Hey, like, do you see the GoFundMe?" He's up like um and he was just FaceTiming and telling me he had the GoFundMe and he had contacted me and so, you know, that was the only reason um and he wasn't even on the phone anymore by the time they got there, so I just hung it up cuz he he was doing something else. >> Got you. >> But he he had stepped away. He doesn't want to get in any more trouble. Like, you know, that's his first time ever being arrested. Ben's also like a really good guy um to be honest. He's probably the nicest guy I've ever met in my life. And I was like really surprised to see him get arrested, but I understand uh I I know he was just trying to serve him the court paperwork cuz it's since they closed down that store, we now have no Since we won the court case, but now the store is closed, we don't get the we don't get Brian's money back. >> So, that's all in Oregon? >> Yeah, that's in Oregon. Um so, that you know what I mean. We won that case um and we sent them default judgment cuz they, you know, and then they closed down the store. So, he's like, "Now we got to go up here and sue him." Uh and then he was going to serve him. He got arrested. He's like, "So, we can't do that now." Um he has like a no contact, so I don't know like if he can even I don't even know if he can have a civil case against him now. I don't know how that would really work, but we just decided >> Yeah, yeah. >> Um once again, we were just going to do the GoFundMe. We were going to get the drone out. We we had like obviously like I'm also an aspiring comedian. Like some people would even call me that. Honestly, I'm pretty funny, but that you know, we were just trying to make a funny video to get engagement, to get money for Brian, and then we were all going to throw a party, and it was the end of the end of the content cuz no one wanted to get in any more trouble. >> Okay. So, when Ben got arrested yesterday, he understood and you understood that it was he couldn't go back to that house, and he couldn't have contact with this guy that he was trying to serve papers at. >> Yeah, correct. >> Okay. So, Ben says, "I just need to stay away from the house." And I'm just trying to make sure what you're saying and I'm understanding this correct cuz sometimes they get misunderstood, right? So, Ben's saying, "I can't go back there. I just need to stay away and just kind of go back home or do whatever." >> Yeah, that was the plan, yes. >> Okay. And then you said, "I'm going to take lead on this GoFundMe, get the money for Brian, and kind of take lead on making this final video, and then taking off." >> Yeah, that's right. That's what we were done, yeah. Um this was the end. >> Yeah. >> Um so, I mean yeah, it just seems like once again, like um like I don't know if you guys have asked for the evidence or anything. There was actually about to be a warrant for those guys' arrests because what ended up happening is the way the county in uh it's in Oregon, they handled the case wrong. So, Brian actually ended up becoming friends with the chief of police, and those guys were about to have a warrant out for their arrest in about a week. They did theft by receiving. They knew it was stolen goods. And when they bought the stolen we we have the literal surveillance footage, and I'm not kidding you. I'm telling you these guys really did this. I would not be here. You know what I mean? He they actually stole his legs. They were like, "Oh, yeah, we don't There They were just like, oh, like some rip-off." So, everything Brian had had a sticker on it. And we got footage of them ripping off the stickers and saying they never got any of this. And this is like a hundred to two hundred dollars worth of goods. And they just And they're like, "Oh, screw it. We get it cuz Crystal like didn't pay us or whatever." The corporate did. And so, we have all the overwhelming evidence. It's literally cut and dry. They did it. And once the police chief saw it as well, he's like, "Yeah, they're about to have warrants for arrest." So, you know what I mean? >> Out of out of Oregon. >> Yeah, correct. So, they're about to be arrested for this. That's how it gets It's just blatant like the fact The only reason we even stepped in in the first place is cuz how are these guys not in jail, right? That's why I'm saying in this scenario, like, you know, we're actually from the perspective of everyone who would be able to see that, there's just no way like what we're doing is bad. Like, we're just trying to get Brian his money back. It's not like we're trying to like profit. Like, I have made I have spent thousands of dollars on this. I drove all the way to Oregon. I mean, I heard the story and I'm like, that's, you know what I mean? It's It's just really sad. Like, Brian's father also meanwhile has no idea that his LEGOs didn't He didn't get the money for him. He's dying of cancer. That's like He can never find out. That was Brian's like one rule. Like, but, you know, he just He just said that it happened and we've pretty much just tried every avenue legally. It's not like we're like not criminal. So, it's not like we're trying to, you know, make your eyes his job or get involved with police. We're just trying to film a video that's good enough to get Brian his money back. That's all we're trying to do. >> Got you. Okay. So, when you say we, it's Ben, you >> Basically, just me and him, yeah. >> And then a couple other guys to help film and stuff? >> they just Yeah, cameramen and stuff like that. >> Got you. So, how did going back, you and Ben have known each other for how long? >> A couple years. >> Couple years? >> Yeah. >> Just doing videos together and all that stuff? >> Yeah, a lot of Wait, he's actually like uh just met him like when I was out in LA actually. He's like a professional athlete, and I saw him slacklining, and I'm like, "Oh, that's super cool." And we >> Mhm. >> started talking, um and then I followed him on Instagram, and then like yeah, like he just uh like we had talked a bunch, and then yeah, I just messaged him like, "Hey, like what do you got going on?" Like cuz he's like also like a really, really good YouTuber. >> Mhm. >> So, yeah, he just like was nice enough, which essentially no influencer out there with as many followers as him would work with someone with as little as me, but he does cuz he's like just like a really nice guy. >> Mhm. >> Um but yeah, it's just a really cool story. Um so, it's like yeah, it's just like we're just trying to do do good. Um it's not like we're trying to do anything essentially bad at all. Um >> Mhm. >> We're just trying to get him his money back. That's the only purpose I'm here. >> So, you and Ben knew each other years, and then um how does Brian get involved in all this? >> Um so, Ben has he's an investigative journalist. He has a uh he has a a email that's full like tens of thousands emails at this point. Um he puts it up at the end of his videos. If you have a mystery or something bad that happened to you that you can prove, Ben and his investigative team will come help, and Brian had enough evidence for us him to take up the case. >> So, that's how you and Ben got involved with Brian. >> Yeah, correct. >> through this email. Yeah, through this email. >> Okay. >> So, he just reached out cuz he, once again, the police told him it was civil. Um and there was just issues with him pursuing it civilly. Um it would have cost he would have had to incur the costs of closing down the store, and would have ended up eating up so much of the profits of what they would have owed him, and it was almost impossible to backtrack the inventory, and find which sets were his that were sold cuz everything wasn't organized enough. Um So, yeah, it's just like a really just awful story. I mean, it's like it should have just it should have just What should have happened is he should have given that store his Legos, that were his dad's life savings. You know, they'd they'd saved these up for 20 years, and then he should have just And he also did a very extremely generous consignment on top of it. They were going to get the They were going to make profit, pure profit. They invested not a single cent of this, and they decided to instead take the entire $200,000 collection. And that is just abhorrent greed beyond even comprehension. I could never in a million years ever And we've just got so much of them just being like They just won't And they could even have at any point just given these Legos back to the guy. They still got some of them, and he even said he'll drop everything if they just give it back. And I've sat there and listened to just so many phone calls between these guys just saying like, "We'll We'll give them back tomorrow. We'll give them back tomorrow." So, that That's why we're here. We're just trying, once again, get the GoFundMe going, and then we're just going to give the money to Brian and go home. I mean, we're still going to try like, obviously, like we'll just probably end up uh like not doing that anymore, cuz, you know what I mean, obviously. Uh so, we'll probably just make like a vlog or something for the GoFundMe and put it on YouTube and give the money to Brian, I guess. >> Yeah. >> Um but yeah, that's just That's the gist of it, man. Um >> Okay. >> Just We're just trying to help Brian, and that's it. Which, once again, he doesn't even really like talk much. Um like He He doesn't He's not involved in this whatsoever. Um he probably would actually prefer Well, I don't know. Um I know he hasn't been in contact yet, but we told him we're just going to try to do a GoFundMe to get him his money back and stuff. >> So, Brian's I mean >> not involved. >> Brian didn't say I use this I use this term loosely. Not saying that's what this is what you guys are doing, but Brian didn't say, "Hey, I'm going to pay you guys $20,000 if you go down and harass this guy. >> No, absolutely not. No. No, absolutely not. No, we No one's received any money for anything for this. This is just like we're just trying to get Brian his money back. >> So, from my understanding you and Ben are trying to use um like you guys' followers on social media to try to boost this story or this thing that happened to Brian. >> Yes. >> Start this GoFundMe to try to get traction to get money for Brian. >> Correct. Essentially. >> Yeah, okay. >> Makes sense. Once I hear it all, right? >> Yeah, okay. >> Um all right. That's kind of making a lot more sense now. >> Okay. >> Um the whole phone thing today. Remind me how how does an Apple Wallet open up? >> Uh well, when I pulled it out, I clicked the button. So, then it said Apple Wallet pulled up and I was trying and I handed it to him and it said Wallet. And he was walking around, I could see him and he had the Wallet up and it has all my money in Apple Cash. And I told him, I'm like, "Whoa." And he's like, "Stop." And I'm like, "I'm just hitting the button. That's all That's all I'm doing." You can ask the officer. >> the lock button? >> Yeah, you hit the lock button. Yeah, if you hit it like twice, it pulls up and it says like tap to pay and stuff. So, it was up on my Wallet. Um >> Oh, maybe mine's not set up. I've never set it up. >> Yeah, if you have Apple Wallet and you press So, I must have just accidentally pressed it twice. So, I was just trying to tap the button. That's all I was doing. Like obviously like I'm handing him my phone. It wasn't like I was like I was just telling him, "I'm just trying" It's all I was trying to do. Just trying to hit the button. Just hit the button. I just didn't want my Wallet up. If like he had accidentally clicked something while that was up and like like he could have paid a bill I wasn't trying to pay and it's like I really like I'm not like super rich. So, I just really needed that closed. It's also like like my life savings is on there. >> Right. >> You know what I mean? It's like >> Yeah. Um so, that's all I was trying to do. I was not trying to like grab the phone back. Like if I was trying to, I would have just smashed it or I don't know. I don't know what I would have done, but definitely like I said, I was not trying to delete I couldn't even It's not possible from what I was trying to do to delete anything. I would have had to pull out my phone, unlock it, go through You know what I mean? That's I can't do that while he's got it in his hand. It's not even possible. >> It was already locked from my understanding. Is that correct? >> it was it was um it was on Apple. So, I I believe you can pull up Apple Wallet while it's still locked. Um I'm not like 100% sure cuz I don't like have my exact like the way a phone works memorized, but I know it was up and I could see him walk around with it with it still up and I was trying to tell him like, "Could you just close my Apple Wallet?" Like pretty sure my phone was still locked. I think you're correct. Um I was just trying to hit the button to black out my wallet cuz you can you can pull out your wallet and it's tap to pay. So, that had You know what I mean? And then also, if he hits the button again, it'll start it'll be like it'll pull up cards and sometimes like I'll have things, subscriptions I'm trying to cancel, and if you pull up Apple Cash and click on it while it's up like that, it'll pay stuff and I just wasn't trying to spend any money. Um I've had that literally happen before on my game. My last $20 has got You know what I mean? Spent um from me doing that. So, yeah, I was just trying to lock my phone. That was That was it. >> Okay. >> Um >> If I go get your phone, can we test to see how the Apple Wallet pulls up or anything? >> Yeah, I can show you. >> Okay. Let me go grab it and I'll be back with you, okay? All right. I'll let you do it. That way I'm not >> Um how do I do >> Maybe you have to unlock it first? >> See, Your passcode is required to open wallet. It opened my wallet. I double clicked it. >> So, it must have been unlocked when and then you double tapped it to try to lock it. >> it it opened my wallet. So, I just like I said, my wallet was open and I was just trying to get I was just All I was trying to do was I just opened my wallet and I told him that. I'm like, "Hey, I know you're mad, dude. I'm not trying to grab your phone." >> we test it while it's unlocked? Like, do you want to unlock it and then >> So, this is what was up. >> Okay. >> See? And it's got all my information on it and that's what he was walking around with. >> All right. So, you were just trying to lock it from the back. >> all I was trying to do. >> All right. Okay, let me go try to do it. If you want to just hang out for a little bit longer, phone's locked. I'm not going to go through it or anything, so um yeah, just hang out for a second and I'll be back with you, okay? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you for doing that. Thank you for being cooperative and everything. It really does help. Do you need anything? >> No, I'm good. >> Do you want some water or anything like that? >> Mm, I'm fine. It's all good. >> Okay. Let me know if there is, okay? >> Okay. >> Thank you.