Reason I stopped the vehicle is the registration's almost been expired for about a year now. Were you aware of that? On July 17th, 2023, officers conducted a traffic stop on Highway 50 in Illinois for an expired registration. What started as paperwork quickly escalated when the driver's license came back suspended and officers noticed cannabis in her purse. That's the extra black ultimate unknown occupants. I'm on traffic CC West. Go and stay in the vehicle for me. Notice the repetition. This isn't attitude. It's control for safety. Traffic stops are unpredictable. Officers want hands visible and movements limited. Uh, I'm by your off of Highway 50 and uh Uh, this >> This Regency right here. Huh? This is CC Food Mart. I think the address is 1011 West Highway 50. West Highway 50? Do me a favor and could you go ahead and get get off the phone real quick, do our business, and then be on your way, ma'am? I'm listening. Okay. Do you have your driver's license and insurance on the vehicle? Uh, my driver's license and my insurance is in here. The reason I stopped the vehicle is the registration's almost been expired for about a year now. Were you aware of that? No, I haven't been aware but I've been trying to get this mug Could you go ahead and hand me that plastic bag that looked like a little bit of weed in there? In your purse, ma'am? What about it? Just hand it to me real quick. Why? Because I saw it. That gives me probable cause. That's the adult responsibility moment. In the US, I didn't know might explain it but it doesn't erase it. >> Probable cause for what? We can do this the easy way or the hard way. I'll work with you if you work with me, okay? Is that all it is? Thank you. Do you have your driver's license and insurance on the vehicle? This stop hinges on one thing. I saw it. Probable cause doesn't need a confession. Plain view is enough. The easy way or the hard way just means cooperate now or waste the next hour. >> [snorts] >> Do me a favor. Whenever you find it, just give me a thumbs up and I'll come and check it out, okay? Find it, Ms. Gilbert? Okay, that's been expired for over a year. Do you have anything else? >> that's the old one but it's the same thing. Not wanting a card is like not wanting a seatbelt ticket. Reality doesn't care. Insurance proof isn't optional. It's what keeps the road legal and liability clear. >> pull up a Geico app on your policy or get policy on your phone or anything? No, it's through my mom. My mom is on the phone. >> See if she could get you a copy of it and send it to you. I I don't uh the original copy the new copy is at home but you can still run it and it's up to date. You should both have a valid card on your account. I don't Is your mom looking for a valid one? Huh? Is your mother looking for a valid insurance card by chance? No, my mom had Mom, send it to me. By the time you find it, I'll be back with you. Let me know if you find one, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Because in the state of Illinois, even though it's legal recreationally, it still has to be in a odor odorless sealed It is odorless. No, it is not. I saw it though. >> You saw it but you didn't Yeah, that's called probable cause. It's still illegal to possess. People confuse legal to own with legal to have in a car. In Illinois, cannabis in vehicles is treated like alcohol. Packaging and transport rules matter and childproof isn't an insult. It's a legal product standard. And if you're going to have it in the state of Illinois, it has to be in a the container you get it from in the dispensary. It has to be sealed still and odorless and childproof. So I'm not a child. Ain't nobody in here It doesn't matter. By state statute, you have to it has to be in a sealed container. >> take it? Yeah, it's being seized at this point. I already sent it to you. I actually go ahead and step out for me real quick, okay? For what? Just step out and we'll talk out here. For what? Because I am allowed to direct you to step out of the vehicle, ma'am. For what? What is the purpose? A lot of people think step out requires permission. It doesn't. In US traffic stops, courts have long allowed officers to order drivers out for safety. Because you're going to be placed under arrest for driving on a suspended driver's license. How? Your license is suspended. I'll explain that all out of the vehicle. Come on. Come on. Ma'am, step out of the vehicle. Step out of the vehicle. I'm not trying to get you any extra charges. Just step out. >> for That how is shock but the law is blunt. Suspended means you're not authorized to drive. Period. This is where the stop stops being negotiable. I'm being arrested for a license suspended. Ms. Gilbert, step out of the vehicle. Come on. Let's go. Well, then step out. >> I am. Are you trying to get a obstruction charges? Then step out. >> do something. This is the classic spiral. I'm trying to comply while not actually complying. Legally, obstruction isn't about emotions. It's about delaying lawful orders. Step out. You just told me to do something. >> I am trying to work with you as much as I possibly can. >> You just told me to do something right. I'm He just told me to do something. Just step out of the vehicle. Go and set your phone up on top of the vehicle. >> You just told me to do something. >> on top of the vehicle. My I'm trying to work with you as much as I possibly can. Ms. Gilbert Hold on. I'm being too. Let go. Let go. >> relax. Let go. No, you you make it you making it I'm not because he putting his hands on me. You just told me to do something. I can't even do it. Let me go. Let me go. Phones are the new steering wheel. Everyone holds on like it's oxygen. Officers want the phone down because hands must be free and visible. Her problem isn't the command. It's that panic makes every command feel conflicting. This this You let go of me. Relax. No. You're being placed under arrest. You're being detained. I'm saying You're being placed under arrest. They won't let me go. I cannot do that. Relax. Look, I want to relax and This is a vocabulary fight people lose all the time. Detained is temporary investigation. Arrest is custody for a charge. Once it's arrest, the legal threshold is already been met. Arguing definitions won't undo it. What if you just let me go? Then let go of my arm. You're not going anywhere. I'm not going nowhere. Relax. Don't worry about it. You can still talk to her right here. No, no, this this is special. Y'all can't detain me and put You're not being detained. You're being placed under under arrest. Y'all can't put y'all hands on me. Y'all just told me to do a direct order and y'all telling me to do otherwise but then y'all put y'all hands on me. That's not right. Relax. Relax, okay? Relax and snap Relax. Damn, why you bending my finger? Relax. Well, tell him to let go of my finger. You relax, we can get the handcuffs on you. You put the handcuffs on me but I'm grabbing my finger like this. >> is there anything else? Shut my door, please. Anything on you I need to know about? Anything in the vehicle? >> door, please and thank you. And we'll shut your door now. Is there anything else in the car you need? Yes, I need my purse. Relax. Don't keep walking towards the car. Why won't you shut my door? Shut my door. All right. All right. Why why aren't you shutting my door? That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to leave your car door open. Then why Then why are you grabbing me like this? I'm not. Yes, you are. No, I'm not. Ms. Gilbert Let me go. No, let me go. Cuz it hurts. Relax. Then let me go. You I can't relax if you holding me like this. Get in the vehicle. Let me go. Okay, let me go. I got it. Get in the vehicle. That's why I said. That's why I don't like police officers. Let me go. Cuz it hurts. This is exactly why they treat y'all the way they treat y'all. Cuz you can't listen to the No, cuz you disrespectful. This is the emotional verdict people deliver in real time. But notice what the officer is saying. Compliance is a skill. You don't have to like police. Just survive the moment legally. >> You can't listen to I asked you politely numerous times. No, you didn't. No, you did not. How you going to tell somebody to do a direct order? You told them I got her in custody. And while I'm getting her she's getting her ID out, she pulls a bag of weed out of her purse. Registration's been expired almost a year. Okay. Yeah, that's why I stopped her. Insurance card's been expired for over a year. Is it suspended from mandatory? Nope. Is it Missouri plate? She just does have a suspended out of Missouri. Is it right? She's suspended out of Missouri. So I can still write her on the suspended, can I? Oh, absolutely. You can write the plate suspended? She's suspended? No, the plate's not suspended. It's just expired. All right, I mean you can write her you can write her a ticket for registration's expired. She's suspended. There's a ticket. Your driver been in possession of adult use cannabis. Should get her for obstruction, too, or resisting. This is how charges stack. Not because cops want more but because behavior adds elements of new offenses. In court, I was scared explains you. It doesn't erase the statute. I don't want to deal with it. You got enough air back there? She was arrested for driving on a suspended license, expired registration, cannabis possession violations, and resisting arrest. Most traffic stops don't go viral because most drivers comply.