Let me see your hands. Come on, both of you guys. >> All right, come on out. >> What's wrong? >> One, turn around. >> You don't have any firearms on you? >> No. No. >> Okay, turn around. Use your other hand. All right. Well, this car, I'll take you in a minute here. All right. All right. Can you come out, please? You don't have any firearms or anything? All right. >> All right. Walk over here. Don't run. Okay. >> I won't. I won't. >> Turn around. We'll clear this up real quick and then we'll get you guys going. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Let me >> Yep. All right. Let's go. >> The 3rd of September, 2025. Reading area, Northern California, near Win River Casino. Officers approached two women in a broken down 1991 Ford pickup. The owner had left on foot. Or so they claimed. Minutes later, a stolen vehicle report confirmed by dispatch. One arrest, one disputed account, one set of warrants that changed everything. A roadside welfare check, a stolen vehicle report, two disputed accounts, one arrest. The legal questions here are sharper than the facts and the facts are already complicated. No, >> it's just the two of us. >> Just the two of you? Yeah. >> Alternator went out. What's going on then? >> Just a car trip won't start. So, he went to go get a friend to go to come and try to jump us. >> Okay. >> You guys want to stay stick around or No. >> Huh? >> You want me to stick around or? >> No, we should be okay. >> You all right? >> He just went over there to the parking. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Have your ID with you? >> Um, me. I don't I I'm the one with the license. Okay. >> I don't actually have a physical license, but I can give you the number. >> Okay. >> It's out of Oregon. >> It's out of Oregon. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. Do you guys got help coming? >> Yes. Is >> this your vehicle? >> No. >> Whose vehicle is it? >> It's a friend's vehicle. >> Let's go get help. >> Okay. All right. Cool. Then I guess that's it. All right. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Good luck. Yep. >> Thank you. Yeah. We tried to give you a Okay. >> Yeah, you're good. Just It looks like you crashed, but you're fine. Just want to make sure you didn't crash, so >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Yep. All right. Let me see your hands. Come on. Both of you guys. What? >> All right, come on out. >> What's wrong? >> Ready? >> Turn around. >> You don't have any firearms on you? >> No. >> Okay, turn around. Use your other hand. All right. Well, this car I'll tell you in a minute here. All right. All right. Can you come out, please? You don't have any firearms or anything, right? >> No, no, no. >> All right. Walk over here. Don't run. Okay. >> Turn around. We'll clear this up real quick and then we'll get you guys going. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Let me >> Yep. All right. Let's go. >> What happened? >> Walk over to my truck or my vehicle, I mean. Where's your buddy at? >> Go to the police house and get um come with his truck cuz he had a bigger truck. >> All right. Stay right here. You stay right there. Well, what's your buddy's name? >> His name is Joe, but his real name is Mike. >> How do you know Mike? >> I have a guy friend of mine named Steve. >> What Mike? What's Mike's last name? >> I don't know. >> Okay. Is he coming back for you? >> He was supposed to come back. Yes, >> he was supposed to. All right. Whose truck is it? >> It's his truck. >> It's his truck. >> I don't know. I I was just along for the ride. I was I was >> So, who has the key? >> I have the key right now. >> So, you have the keys with me. >> You said you're just the driver. Where did you get the car from? >> I'm from her cuz I didn't have a license. So, he was carry right there and it stopped the truck stopped working. Stop ran out of gas. So he went and got um took the gas can. He got two gallons of gas before it came back gas and he said I think it's the alternator and he was going to walk and go get help. And then he said because I didn't have a license to let her to let her drive cuz she had license back. >> All right. Do you have anything on you? >> Nothing. >> Nothing on you? No. >> Okay. Nothing's going to poke me, stab me, nothing like that. >> Absolutely. >> All right. So you're sitting in the driver's seat. >> Mhm. >> How did you get there? Um, I actually told her to move over so I could help try to because I had another friend come with a battery. Um, I seen him rid on the bike up there. So, I ran down the road and stopped him and he went to his dad and got a battery and we brought it down and we tried to hook it up and try to start it. So, she was kind of sleeping still. So, I asked her to move over and >> turn around for me, please. >> All right. I'm going to lift the shirt up a little bit. Make sure you don't have any weapons or anything like that. Okay. >> Probably try to start. >> What's that? Um, I asked over evaluation. >> Okay. Am I going to find anything else in there? >> Is there a gun in there? >> No gun. >> No gun. >> I don't know what I have. >> What? I can't hear you. What? >> Most of the stuff in the back truck is his. So, I never went through it. I don't know what they have in there. >> And where did he go? >> He went to go to a company named Kenny's house. >> Kenny's house. So, his name's Mike. You don't know him? >> No. Does he have any of his personal belongings inside the vehicle? >> All right. Well, let me see. You got any pockets in this one? >> No. >> No pockets in that one. Anything anywhere else? I need to look. >> No. >> No. You sure? >> You can take my shirt out if you want. >> I'm not going to shake your shirt out. >> No. >> I'm not going to disrespect like that. Okay. >> Yeah, I know you want. >> All right. You think Mike's coming back? >> Yeah, he I believe so. >> Is that Mike up there on a bicycle? >> No, that's my friend Smurf. That's the one who went to go get the battery for me. >> That's Smurf. Yeah. >> Okay. >> He was He's the one who was helping me to buy one. >> Okay. So, right now, as it stands, whose vehicle is that? >> It's Mike's. >> Mike's vehicle. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Did you at all drive it? >> Me? >> Yes. >> Yes, >> you did. From where? >> From down there to right over there. >> What's down there? >> On that sign, right? About that sign right there. >> Oh, from right. So, you guys stopped right there. Came this way. Boom. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Did you at all drive it? >> Yeah. >> Last night? >> Yeah. >> Okay. From where? >> Well, where did I wake up? >> I don't remember where exactly we were. >> We were at Lo's. Then we were coming here to the casino. Okay. >> So, >> so you drove it last night from Lo's to the casino. Okay. So, Laura, right? Laura drove it last night from Loves to the casino. How did you get the vehicle? >> Huh? >> From her. >> From you. What's your name? >> Chamom. >> Okay. And how did you guys meet Mike? >> From Steve. >> From Steve. Jesus, you guys are killing me here. Okay, so hang tight for a second. Okay, I'll be right back. I'm going to go deal with this car. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> I don't know what's wrong with you. >> Yep. Hold on. Is that Mike in that truck? In the black truck? Does he know anybody in the black truck? >> I don't know who he knows. >> No. Okay. >> He lives in Proberta, so I know he knows like a lot of people around here. >> I got you. >> No, we were just going to the casino. >> He left the keys with you? >> Yeah. And he went walking, so I that's how I had the keys. But >> how long were you with Mike? Um, I've been with him since about 3 days ago. >> Three days ago from where were you guys hanging out at? >> Um, we at One River. Steven came and picked me up at him. Stephen came and picked me up and then we went all over the place. Like we just went down >> in that truck. >> Mhm. We went down to Orland. We went to his house, ate dinner, came back to Corny. Then we uh fell asleep. We took showers and got back to Reading and came back down here. >> Okay. And what did Mike say about the truck? >> Nothing. >> Nothing. Did you guys show up to Win River with the truck? We were all together when we moved when we were >> I met him. They were somewhere I met him. >> Okay. All right. All right. You come on out. You want to tell me what really happened? >> I Okay. I really What happened is I woke up in the car. >> Okay. >> And it was the two guys we were with were gone. >> Okay. >> And I was Cece was the only one left in the car with me. >> That's CeCe? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So Cece was the only one in the car with you. >> Yeah. And that's literally I fell asleep when all four of us were together. The Steve guy and this Mike guy. Okay. >> I don't really I don't know them. I know her. >> Okay. >> I walked up to her I walked up to the truck yesterday and she was just sitting there waiting for Mike. He was supposed to be helping some people move or some [ __ ] right? And so I ended up getting into the truck with him and we he the guy uh the Mike guy, the guy the owner of the truck. >> Mhm. >> He ended up taking us to uh Salvation Army. We went and we bought some stuff at Salvation Army. Then we left and I fell I literally fell asleep. >> How did you meet Cece? Um, I've met it through friends. >> Through friends? >> Yeah. In or in writing? I mean. >> Okay. In reading. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then I I literally I've been asleep. I was asleep. I felt I I almost felt like I got drugged or something cuz I fell asleep and I was >> Well, you probably got drugged from the heroin or whatever you you're shooting up. >> No, it wasn't just that. I mean, more than just that. Obviously. >> Uhhuh. >> But um >> you think maybe you could have passed out? >> I don't >> from that. No, it wasn't like that. the >> Oh, come on. >> Random people I meet on the street. >> Yeah. >> You ready? >> I've been living and running for a while. >> Been living ready? >> Yeah. >> I mean, if you could help if you could help some of my buddies out, find out who's who's selling all the fetty up there. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Help you out. >> All right. Figure that out. Okay. Um 23 clear on a 91 Ford pickup hanging out. We were literally sawing last night >> where I just Yeah, we we they were at Wind River when I was sleeping. >> Mhm. >> I was sleeping the entire time they were at Wind River. They like I met them over by Wind River. Yeah. >> How long ago? >> Um how long ago? This was like yesterday is when I got in the truck. >> Yesterday afternoon middle of the night last night is when I was sleeping. So, I mean, I crashed out her. She said she tried to shake me awake. I wasn't awake. I wasn't picking up. >> So, whose car is this? Mike's >> That's Mike's car. I know. >> Was Mike with you today? >> Not this not since the middle of the night last night till now. >> Okay. >> But yesterday, yes. >> Okay. >> Mike was with us yesterday. I that I was under the impression that I was sitting next to him and everything. He was the one driving the truck. >> Okay. >> And she said she'd been with him for a few days like with this Steve guy and this Mike guy. >> Okay. Steve and Mike. And you guys don't know the names, the last names. I have no I just met those guys yesterday. >> Okay. >> And I've >> What's a good phone? Do you have a phone number? >> I do, but I don't know. I just got a new phone. >> Okay. >> So, I don't know. >> Where do you normally stay? >> I'm I've been transient. Um >> Okay. But where do you normally stay? Like >> before reading I've been in Reading for about 2 weeks. I was in Red Buff. >> Red Bluff. Red Bluff and Reading. >> Yeah. >> And now back down. Okay. >> And we were just supposed to be going to the casino. We weren't going to stay down here. >> Do you know who this is? >> No, I have no idea. >> Okay. Hey, CeCe, right? >> Yeah. >> CeCe. All right. Hey, listen. You're under arrest. Okay. >> Okay. >> Pretty sure you figured that much, right? >> Yeah. >> All right. So, >> for what? >> All right. So, you have the right to anything you say can will be used against you in court of law. Okay. You have the right to attorney. Can't afford one. One will be one will be provided for you. Okay. >> You understand all that? >> Yes. >> All right. Having that those rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me? I mean, about why you're arrested. You know what I mean? Like to talk to me about >> Yeah. Okay. So, so you're under arrest. Okay. for for stealing the vehicle. >> How did I steal the vehicle? >> I didn't steal the vehicle. >> A report was made saying that >> So, he left us here and then called and said that we we stole the vehicle. >> I don't know. All I know is you're CC, right? >> Yeah. >> And Cece stole the vehicle. >> No, I didn't. >> So, you were in the driver's seat. >> Mhm. I >> see how it looks like. Okay. So, >> right now, uh not only that, you already have uh some warrants out already for >> So, no matter what, you're going to jail. Okay. >> Okay. So just um you want to just tell me what happened. Honestly, >> I'm tell that's the truth that happened. >> What? >> My story. What I told you that happened. >> What happened? >> Um I met I met over with my boyfriend Steve. Um >> Steve's your boyfriend. >> Yeah. Steve was with Mike. They picked me up for they were at Win River. They picked me up in Ready. >> Then I hung out with them for 3 days and um and then we picked up my friend my friend and she was with us. Well, Mike wanted ditch Steve and he was trying to take me and down here unless he was ready. And he he gave her something. I don't know what he gave her, but um when I came back out to the car cuz I I had went into the bathroom at the casino came back out. >> Um they were sitting he's in the driver's seat and she was in the middle. She was so out of it she couldn't even like I couldn't even wake her up and she like slept all the way down here until like we got to she was like super out of it. Okay. >> And um and I don't know what his cameras or what he was doing. But after I was telling him like I'm like nothing I'm not going to do anything with you or I need to get back to Stephen. You know, you should he shouldn't have asked me to do this. This is not right. Then that's when the alternator we were arguing about it. That's when the alternator went out and that's when he went walking through and said he was going to go to his friends because he needs something stronger to get the alternator going. >> Okay. All right. Well, as of right now as it stands, um one you have warrants, okay, out of writing for stolen vehicles >> for steal >> for stealing vehicles. That's what they said. Okay. >> It was not I got that taken care of. >> Well, >> apparently not. Okay. So, you'll have to go to court and take care of it. >> It was my sister's car. >> Huh? >> It was my my sister. >> Okay. All right. Well, that's okay. So, there there's that. And then now you're here with this car that's reported stolen. So, okay. You're going to go to jail. All right. >> Under Terry versus Ohio 1,968, an officer needs only reasonable articulable suspicion to detain and frisk. A stolen vehicle report satisfies that threshold entirely. Detention here was constitutionally sound from the moment dispatch confirmed. Pennsylvania v MIMS 1,977 officers may order any occupant from a vehicle during a lawful stop. No further justification required. The patown was lawful. Pre-search, screening, and verbal advisement met the procedural standard set in Terry. California Vehicle Code section 10851A requires three elements. Drove or took a vehicle without owner's consent with intent to deprive. The consent element is the legal battleground. If the owner abandoned the vehicle and left the keys, consent may exist. People v. Windham 2006. Knowledge of stolen status is essential. A disputed consent claim must be resolved at trial, not at the curb. Miranda v. Arizona 1,966. Custodial interrogation requires full rights advisement before questioning. The officer delivered it accurately. The subject waved rights voluntarily and continued speaking. Post-waver statements are fully admissible under established doctrine. Outstanding warrants provided an independent mandatory basis for arrest entirely separate from the stolen vehicle allegation. Even if the section 10851 charge fails at trial, the warrant arrest was legally obligatory and unimpeachable. The subject voluntarily disclosed a pipe post Miranda. Under California Health and Safety Code section 11364, that admission is on record. CI solicitation is lawful provided no specific promise of leniency is made. The line between encouragement and inducement requires careful handling. >> Um, anything in there? I mean, I know there's a lot of stuff in there. I can't give you everything. Okay. >> The only thing that's in there is my black purse that had my >> your black purse. Okay. >> That's all it's mine. >> Do you want to take it with you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you have anything in there that's that would be considered a felony? >> Well, I have a knife that I have. >> Okay. I'll take the knife out and stuff like that. Okay. Next question. Who is this? That's my cousin. >> That's your cousin? >> Mhm. She left her wallet and I had um she asked me if I could get it and hold on to her cuz she lives in San Jose. She comes She comes up this way once in a while. She goes to um our archive. >> Do you have her phone number? >> I don't have her phone number. She Facebooks me. I don't have my phone. >> She usually will me. Um >> but she'll she'll stop by when she heads to Clam to go see our family. >> Okay. >> Um we're both rock tribal members. >> Okay. Um, she's her mom and my mom are related, but her dad's suit Indian, so she's happier on his cap. >> Okay. Well, what's going to happen is I'm going to take this cuz it's not yours. Yeah. >> Okay. I'm going to book it into property and then she can come and get it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, other than that, yep, that's it. Anything else you want to add? >> Um, that I didn't take you anything and I don't know why that he did this. My friend, I feel like >> So, Steven's your boyfriend. >> Steve's your boyfriend. Mike is the owner of this car. Yeah. And I I feel like Mike was really on some dirt bag kind of thing. And and then when he realized that I wasn't going to allow it to happen, I wanted to set up. >> All right. Hey, listen. I know there's a lot of stuff um that you guys deal with. Would you be willing to help? >> Like right now, I got to take you in, but would you be willing to help? I know you guys are you're from Reading, right? The Reading area. Okay. I know I know a bunch of buddies that are trying to trying to like slow down the uh the distribution of of narcotics and stuff. Would you be willing to help with that or No, >> I I'd want to, but I'd be scared to. >> Okay. >> Because I wouldn't want something to happen to my family or >> Yeah. No, I understand that. Um and they have ways of keeping it confidential and stuff. So, >> and there's like a lot of sex trafficking and there's a lot of bad things going on. >> That's scary. I always feel >> Okay. Would you be willing to help out with that or no? >> I want to say yes, but I can't just cuz I'm scared. >> Okay. All right. And you don't have anything on you, do you? >> No. Uh-uh. >> Okay. Cuz I'm going to take you to jail. And if they find it? >> Yeah. No. No. I just The only thing I had was that pipe in my purse and that was it. >> I'll grab your purse. >> I hate to ask, but can can we get can somebody give her a ride off? Is that going to be cool? Thank you. Appreciate it. Turn around. All right. You're going to walk with me. You're going to grab your stuff. Okay. You're not going to cause any trouble, right? In Kim County. >> No, you're not going to steal nothing or nothing. Okay. This is it. Yeah. >> All right. Walk with me. Grab your vape, please. >> Case outcome remains unknown at time of analysis. Charges under section 10851 will hinge entirely on whose account of consent is credible. The officer grade B plus Miranda, Terry, Mims, all executed correctly. Legal compliance was high throughout. Deduction dismissive drug remark obscured. A potential victim exploitation concern. CI solicitation followed too closely after arrest advisement. Procedural separation between arrest and cooperation inquiry is best practice. The subject CC grade binds cooperation was genuine. Prior stolen vehicle warrants severely damage credibility on the primary charge. A second stolen vehicle encounter before a jury is a near impossible narrative to overcome. Voluntary paraphernalia disclosure was unnecessary. Post Miranda silence remains available. It should have been used. The passenger Laura Grade B+ most coherent account of the encounter. Fully cooperative released appropriately. Her account of possible involuntary sedation warrants independent investigation beyond the scope of a stolen vehicle call. Lessons learned. Consent is not binary. Abandonment by an owner does not equal theft. Intent must be proven. Miranda waivers are powerful. Once waved, everything said is admissible. Silence costs nothing. Cooperation without counsel costs everything. Outstanding warrants follow you. Prior arrests shape how new charges are read by officers, prosecutors, and juries alike. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like discussed in the comments below. Thank you for watching.