Was that a lawful request? >> Yes. >> What What law am I breaking by being here? >> You're filming car parking cars in this car parking. >> What What law is that? What law is that breaking? >> Trespass and you need to leave. >> And what is a trespass a criminal matter? Is it? >> Is that a criminal offense? So, here's what it all boils down to. Exactly what law is being broken here in the UK. Officers can't simply walk up, demand your details, or order you move on just because they're uncomfortable. The law doesn't work on hunches. It works on legal authority. Civil trespass, not a crime. That is civil matter, not an instant ticket to handcuffs. The only time it crosses into police territory is if it escalates into something like aggravated trespass. And this situation isn't anywhere close here. The officer can't even name a lawful power to back her stance. Yet, she's still pressing the issue. This is where people get shaken by confidence, not correctness. Know your rights, stand your ground, and don't let pressure or confusion rewrite the law in real time. My UK rights guide strips out the jargon. So, anyone can navigate encounters like this with calm and certainty. See, it's funny because when you think I'm doing something illegal, you come across me. But you were too busy to deal with these sorts of things 2 minutes ago when I reported an officer committing offenses. >> I can't deal with an officer who's committing an offense. I can't deal with that. He's not on my level. It needs to go to a sergeant or higher up or PSD. >> Well, so why don't you take the details, report it to a sergeant, but you're quite happy to come in across me, but you can't deal with uh matters >> in the in the reception. >> I don't want to go into the reception. I'm quite happy here. >> If if you want to discuss it, if you want someone to discuss >> I don't want to discuss it. I've discussed it. I walked away after they left. Walked away. We've left it. That's it. She's followed me and accosted me after we've had that discussion. in a public area. >> This is the driver. This is a driver. >> Right. >> Yeah. For vehicles. I walked through I walked through a foot I walked through a foot path that said that had no signage, nothing saying no public access. It says no public right ofway on the road sign for vehicles. A right ofway applies to roads, not to pedestrian footpath. There is a pedestrian footpath. No obstructions, no signage. This is a public area. Whether it's private or public property, it's a public. >> The auditor's assessment here is spoton. No warning signs, no staff only markers, no restricted area boards, not even a painted boundary line. In UK law, that setup allows the public to assume they're welcome to pass through. It's called the implied right of access. At the very worst, we're talking about civil trespass, a matter strictly between the property owner and the individual. That a conversation for solicitors, not a police investigation. This distinction matters because so often police presence makes people believe a crime has occurred when legally nothing of sort has happened. Difference. >> What do you want to do? What do you want to gain? >> Be left alone. >> Okay. >> Who are you two? Sorry. You've just you've come in and joined the conversation. >> Sorry. Um, police officers. >> And what's your what's your name and badge number? >> 89. >> 89. >> Yeah. >> DC PC DS >> 89. >> PC89. And yourself? >> I'm DC424. >> DC424. You're both based here? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But we're just saying if you we can go over there, but we're just saying this is private property. This is a police car park. >> Okay. >> It's private property. So, if you want to go back over there, by all means, we can try and sort out whatever your complaint is, but it's definitely in our private property. He's not going to have that. So if you want to go over to the property here at all, you can go and have a chat there. >> But the public for private property as well. >> Yeah, you can gain access to >> I can gain access to this. We've just been through that. We've just been through this. There's nothing for pedestrians. >> Why not? >> Because it's a secure and it could be you could close the security. >> Well, it's not secure, is it? If I've just managed to walk in here, it's not secure, is it? >> You say secure, but it's not for being on this car because our concern is a video. >> It's a security breach that we're concerned about. So, we're happy to talk to you, but while you're here, we we've got concerns about security breaches. >> This is where the logic begins to wobble. The claim, the auditor is a potential security risk. But security under the law isn't a gut feeling. It's supported by tangible, provable facts. If the location was genuinely sensitive, there would be visible physical barriers, lock gates, secure fencing, key card access. The reality, an open route where anyone can stroll in without challenge. That a hole in the planning and execution of sight security, not an excuse to lean on a member of the public. The responsibility to secure the site lies with those in charge, not with civilians who legally walk into an open space. >> Do you have a warrant card or an ID card or something? You haven't. You've given her a call number. >> I've told you my card. Yeah, but you're playing slow, so I just want to see your warrant card as well. >> So, I'm willing to listen to you. We're both willing to listen to you and hear what you have to say. >> No, you're just going to fold me off with the same stuff that the two PCs have. >> Private car will tell what's going on. >> Okay. So, I'll give you a quick synopsis. >> Over here, please. >> If a police So, you're a DC. So, you're you're you're a ranking officer. >> We're all the same rank. >> You just said DC. >> Yeah. >> The detective constable. Yeah. >> Is that not higher rank than a police constable? Is it not? Okay. It's just a different area. In that case, then I don't want to talk then. Don't worry. I'll talk to a sergeant if you get me a sergeant. >> Got a sign to say gated for a reason. >> Okay. So, you see you see the no entry signs and that one. Like I said, private property, no public right ofway. As we discussed what rightway is, not uh not public access. A right ofway is relevant to roads. That's what a right of way is is a public rightway is a public road that people can access with a vehicle. >> As you can tell, I'm not in a vehicle. >> Not in a vehicle. If it's secure, right? So, as you can see there, >> I'm not I'm not going through it all with you cuz you just you're going to try and do the whole, "Oh, I know this registration. I know that. I I don't I'm not really that that first. I've just asked you to leave politely >> and I've and I've declined." Yeah. >> Cool. >> I just don't really see the point in you being here. Like, I don't know. >> I don't see the point in you being here either, but there we go. >> Well, this is my job. >> That's my That's my job. I'm at work. It's >> my work place. >> Yeah, it's my place of This is my place of work right now as well. >> Oh, is it? >> Hello, sir. >> Thank you. See, sensible. The most sensible person so far. You a sergeant? >> Yeah, I am. >> Thank you. Finally. Right. Okay. Well, we'll move away from the PCs cuz >> Are we already standing over there so the cars can move around? >> Oh, well, the cars can move around. I mean, where where's the car going to move here? It's fine. We got plenty of room. >> We got plenty of room. I just want to move away from the PCs to be honest. I want to talk to you. I don't want to talk to them. So, if you can come with me and like if you want to talk to me away from the others, that's fine. >> What I'm saying, sir, is there's operational police vehicles just moving here. >> That's fine. I'm quite I'm quite conscious of the road. I've managed >> having a conversation with you. Can we just do it there? >> I've managed this many years. >> I tell you what, after we finish talking, you want to stand back here for a second? We can. Can we just talk over there? >> I'll tell you what. >> Be difficult. >> We can talk on the path there. >> My name's Pete. What's your name? >> Pete. >> Yes. >> And your call number, Pete? >> My name is DS 1446. Pete McIll. >> DS 1446. >> Yes. >> Enter Detective Sergeant Pete McIll. And the atmosphere shifts instantly. This is what measure policing looks like. McIll listens, weighs the facts, and acknowledges the murky signage. He takes the time to explain where civil issues end, and criminal jurisdiction begins. The difference is clear. Respect in tone, precision words, and a calm that diffuses tension. This isn't about surrendering authority. It's about exercising it wisely. McIll recognizes that unnecessary escalation can create more problems than it solves. A mark of professionalism that restores public confidence in a single conversation. >> Literally arrived and uh >> witnessed a police constable. >> Yes. >> Straight away first thing as soon as I get here parked on the roundabout >> right >> on the double yellows. >> Yeah. >> Engine on idling >> on his mobile phone. >> Right. >> So I go and approach. >> Yeah. >> He unwinds winds his window. So I ask him quite bluntly. I say afternoon. Uh is there a reason you're parked on double yellows with your engine on on your mobile phone? >> Yeah. says, "I'm doing work. I'm waiting for a prisoner to come out." And I said, "Okay." I said, "Are you on the phone to emergency services?" >> Yeah. >> "Are you paying at a pay at a drive-thru?" >> Okay. >> No, just rolls his window up. >> Right. Okay. So, you're saying you've seen an officer there. They've been sat there idling at >> Yeah. So, idling is an offense. >> idling your vehicle. Being on your phone by the engine on, unless you're on the phone to 999 or paying at a drive-thru, those are the exceptions to the new legislation. >> Yeah. >> Both defenses. >> Notice McKill's approach. No interruptions. No jumping to conclusions. The auditor is documenting events as they happen, including small but telling breaches of conduct. Vehicles idling where they shouldn't. Phone use behind the wheel. These moment are easy to miss if no one is paying attention. That's the value of an audit. It's not about drama. It's about visibility. Even minor missteps carry weight when officers are expected to model the law they enforce. Observation is a tool for accountability. And without it, details slip quietly into the background. >> Did you introduce yourself? I didn't >> I didn't. And I'm not >> What name would you like me to refer to you? You don't have to give me a name at all. But you >> can call me sir or power. You can call me power. Yeah, >> power. >> Yeah, power. Yeah, >> I'll go with sir cuz power just >> I didn't think I didn't think you'd like it. That's why I said that's why I gave it as an option. I didn't >> power. Does that sound right to you, >> Mr. Power? That No, my ego is not that big. Don't worry. >> Well, you got yourself power. Um, basically mate, you are absolutely entitled to film any vehicles you want around here. Not a problem. You have, if officers want to speak to officers, that's not an issue. The only thing I'd say is this area of the car is a private car park. So, if you wanted to literally step on that pavement there and film my officers, film the cars. There's not an issue whatsoever. >> Yeah, that's fine. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. So, the discussion I was trying to have with them or trying to tell them, right, so they're saying it's secure, it's restricted, you got you got the gates and all that. I said and that sign up there says private property, no public right of way. >> A right ofway is a public road, >> right? It's not a public pavement. A right ofway is a >> This is a private >> Yes. Okay. But I'm getting that bit. I'm getting that bit. Okay, bear with me. >> So, yes, it's private, but in a private >> uh premises, you can still have a public area. >> A public area does not define whether it's public property or not. >> A public area. >> Okay. So, >> so to check No. No. So, as I've walked up, I've walked up towards the reception area and then I've literally walked through here. >> Yeah. >> No signage for pedestrians saying private property. No public access. That That would be the key. >> All right. So, yes, it is private property >> until I was asked to leave. >> Yeah. >> It's publicly accessible. It's still public area. It's still a public area. It's still publicly accessible. >> The only thing is you have the right to repeal to to repeal that implied right of access. >> Yes. And you know what? Don't disagree with anything you've just said there, Mr. P. Not a problem. I agree. The signage should be better here. Yeah, >> but Eri, you're here to do an audit. I'm guessing that's your role >> to do that. Yes, it's not my first time on the road yet. >> McIll doesn't posture or argue. He accepts that the signage could be clearer and he recognizes the auditor's presence as legitimate. The way he processes a situation, listening, evaluating, responding without provocation shows the kind of discretion that prevents flash points. It's understated, but it's powerful. One professional interaction like this can undo hours of negative perception created by earlier missteps. Other officers should be taking notes. >> Know what you can and can't do. I've got an absolute is anything you've described so far. I don't have a problem. In terms of the officer and if you've had an issue, if you filmed something, if you do want to make a complaint about that, >> I don't want to go through online. I was told a sergeant could deal with it. I've got his column number. I've got his name. Um I want to report that to you now. If you want to take down his details and you can deal with it, >> right? We we can have a chat about whatever's happened there. But in terms of let's you you've raised a few things, haven't you? So right now that implied consent of assign is removed. So are we okay just standing over here now that that's been removed so we can talk? >> No, I'm still going to stay here. >> Okay. But what I'm I'm trying to be courteous to you. >> I know and I appreciate that and that's why I'm not being as belligerent with you. But I I am going to stand firm on on where I stand on where I am standing literally. >> But I don't understand why if we've just covered that it's private premises and that implied right has been removed. >> Yeah. Because I agree it isn't enough science to help me understand that rationale >> because at the end of the day they were not a gentleman I've not met him yet but the the ladies were so belligerent about it in the fact that I absolutely couldn't be here. I absolutely was doing something wrong especially the blonde officer. So I tried to raise the incident with the the guy parked on in his marked vehicle and doing all of that. Tried to raise it with her not interested. Not her business because she's a response officer. But then as soon as I come on here, she's got time to deal with that, but she can't deal with that. You see what I mean? That that seems like favorability towards another police officer. The thick blue wall as we call it >> standing behind your the thin blue line. And not holding not holding up her No, I'm not saying you are, but she's not holding up her oath. Um neither was the other gentleman I spoke to. >> Um >> uh but she's got plenty of time to come and deal with this apparently, but she doesn't have time to deal with that. say is if anyone has in any way talked to you and you felt it wasn't being courteous, I can only apologize for that because ideally we we don't want to have that kind of discourse. >> It's not even about the courty. >> You're a switched on black. You know, you know exactly what you do with these audits. You understand that they're going to provoke a reaction in terms of a security response. That's going to happen, isn't it? >> Not always. I've been to plenty of places, plenty of police station headquarters where they just leave me to it. >> Okay. But I'd imagine they would have spoke to you at some they would have said hello. They didn't say anything to you. Okay. Well, that might be because they didn't know. It's generally speaking. >> No, no, no. They see me. they might people in the in a police station car park going around different cars would usually stop to say just as I've done with you not demanding your details you don't give me them as you bloody well know um not not trying to make your life in any way difficult and in fact I want to help enable you to do your own what you want to do >> but as you've just explained once that right has been revoked for the private premises >> it's been revoked so the fact that you have been treated poorly or you feel like someone's been rude to you that doesn't change the fact that does it doesn't but Once it's been revoked, yes, >> it becomes an issue of civil trespass, doesn't it? >> And you knew I was coming with it. You knew I was coming with it. >> You don't need to go down this. I'm trying to talk practical point. >> I know. I know you're talking practically. >> I know. I know you're talking practically stood in a disabled baby. >> I I like to talk uh lawfully. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, lawfully I'm not committing any offenses. >> You know, I know I know I know you haven't. I have. And you've requested that I leave. And I'm going to politely decline. I'm not going to be rude about it because uh you may see it's rude that I'm declining in the first place, but I'm not going to be overly belligerent about it. I'm just going to say >> here's the rare but golden moment. The auditor stands rooted in legal rights and the sergeant engages with equal respect. No power games, no vague threats, no inflated authority, just plain constructive dialogue. It's a masterclass in how accountability functions best when both sides understand the boundaries and communicate within them. Without community audits, examples like this where the law, courtesy, and professionalism meet, would rarely be seen, let alone recorded. >> Civil matter. >> And as long as you understand that if you are to stay here in this moment and you want to stand in front of a car that's trying to leave and conduct police work, that could obviously be obstructing the officers. >> Sure. I would never do that. Yeah. Yeah. I I've made it I've made it this many years being fully aware of roads and emergency vehicles. You know, I've never been hit by a car yet. So >> So how we how are we rating so far? How we doing? We had a rough start by the sounds of it on your audit. Has he improved as we're going along? >> Uh I'd say that uh sorry 2 seconds. >> Yeah. Um you've been better. Yeah, I must admit. Yeah. So >> it's a learning experience for me. We don't have this every day. >> No, it's good to see a sergeant leading by example. Hopefully the PCs and DCs do pick up on your example. >> Get a I know. I know. >> No, no, no. I'm not getting I'm not giving. I'm genuinely stating that I really hope that they pick up on how you've led by example here and they take some lessons on how you've dealt with this and how you've been so professional, calm about it. >> You're going to make me blush you like this. >> No, cuz you have and uh you know, you asked my name, but you didn't push it. So that's fine. But other than that, >> that's just for politeness. So I'm not I'm not demanding. How would you like me to refer to >> And that's absolutely fine. What today proved is simple but vital. Calm compent policing has a tangible impact. It showed too why audits shouldn't be treated as nuisances, but as checks that protect both public and police. Small oversightes, whether a missing sign or a moment of attention, can snowball if nobody's watching. My know your rights guide isn't just for auditors. And it's not just for confrontations. It's for anyone who values clarity over confusion and facts over assumptions. Knowledge and respect aren't rivals. They're partners. Stay informed, use it wisely, and you'll navigate these moments with confidence. >> Was that a legitimate request? Indeed. What? By being here, am I violating any laws? You're using this car to shoot. And what is that law? Which legislation is being broken by that trespassing? You must go. And what is a criminal offense? Does that constitute a criminal offense? And that's what everything comes down to. What specific law is being broken in the United Kingdom? Officers cannot merely show up, ask for your information, and tell you to leave because they feel uneasy. The law is not based on intuition. It is based on legal authority. Trespassing civily is not a crime. That is not an immediate ticket to handcuffs. It is a civil matter. Only when it escalates to something like aggravated trespass does it enter police territory. Furthermore, this circumstance is not even close. In this case, the officer is unable to site any legal authority to support her position. She is still pressing the matter, though. Confidence, not accuracy, is what shakes people here. Recognize your rights, maintain your position, and resist the urge to change the law in the moment due to pressure or misunderstanding. My UK rights handbook eliminates the technicalities. Therefore, anyone can handle situations like this with confidence and composure. You see, it's humorous because you find me just when you believe I'm breaking the law. However, when I reported a cop committing violations 2 minutes earlier, you were too busy to handle such matters. I'm unable to handle. I can't handle it. If an officer has broken the law, I can't keep up with it. It must be sent to RPS, a sergeant, or someone higher up. You're delighted to see me, but you're unable to handle things. So, why don't you take the information and report it to a sergeant? Enter the reception area. I'd rather not enter the reception. Here, I'm quite content. All right. Do you want someone to talk about it if you want to? I'd rather not talk about it. I've talked about it. When they were gone, I turned to leave, walked off. We have departed from it. That's all. After we had that conversation, she followed and harassed me in a public setting. The driver is this. The driver is this. Correct. Yes. For automobiles. I went along a foot path that stated there was no signpost or anything indicating public access. On the road sign, it reads, "No public right of way for cars. Roads are subject to a right of way, but not sidewalks. There is a walkway for pedestrians. No signs, no obstacles. It's a public space. It is public property regardless of whether it is private or public. Here, the auditor's assessment is accurate. There were no restricted area boards, no warning signs, no employees, only markers, and not even a painted borderline. That arrangement gives the public the impression that they are welcome to pass through under UK legislation. We refer to this as the implicit right of access. At worst, we are discussing civil trespass which is solely an issue between the individual and the property owner. That is not a police inquiry. That is a discussion for solicitors. This distinction is important because police presence frequently leads individuals to believe that a crime has been committed when in reality nothing of the sort has occurred. A distinction. What are you interested in doing? What do you hope to acquire? Be left alone. All right. Who are the two of you? Apologies. You simply arrived and entered the discussion. Apologies. Policeman, huh? Furthermore, what are your name and badge number? 8989. Yes. DCPC89 PCDS89. And you? DC424. DC424 is my number. And both of you have your base here? Yes. Yes. However, all we're saying is that if you're willing, we can go over there. that if you're willing, we can go over