building. So, I reckon Hello, mate. >> All right, pause right there. We've got an auditor standing calmly outside a UK police station. Camera rolling. Simple, right? Well, not for long, because in just seconds, this polite conversation is about to turn into a textbook lesson on public rights versus police overreach. Keep watching. This one gets spicy fast. >> Yeah. Good. You? >> Yeah, I'm good. >> Good. >> How come you're taking photos? It look like you're taking photos of the police station. No, I'm actually recording. I'm not taking >> Boom. There it is. The T-word in the UK mentioning hostile reconnaissance falls under section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000, which allows officers to stop and question people they reasonably suspect of terrorism. But here's the key word, reasonable. Filming in public by itself isn't suspicious. It's completely legal. The auditor knows it and he's holding his ground. >> Okay. Why are you recording the police station? >> Is it what is it? A crime to record. >> Well, no, but obviously in in the in the space that we live in, people do a lot of hostile reconnaissance and terrorism obly asking the reasons why you're >> So, are you implicating that? >> It's absolutely right. Filming in public is a protected act under UK law. But what do you think? Should officers have the right to question anyone filming a sensitive building, or does that open the door to unnecessary harassment? Drop your thoughts below because this debate never really ends. terrorist? >> No, I'm just asking reasons why. As a stop and account as a police officer, I'm asking reasons why. >> No, it's just matters of public interest. That's all. >> It's a matter of public interest. >> It is. Yeah. >> Okay. What's your name, sir? >> Am I obliged to give you my name? >> Well, I'm asking you. >> I don't need to give you my name. >> Okay. >> I don't even need to talk to you. It's my right to to not speak. >> Okay. So, why is there any reason why you're not going to tell me your name and you're recording? >> Because I'm not obliged to give you my name. >> Okay. And you said it's a matter of public interest. What public interest is that? doesn't matter to the public interest. >> Okay. >> What what public interest is that? >> You know, I live in this community, you know what I mean? So, >> okay. Is there any particular reason you're down here? >> I've said well interested is just the building. Is there >> It's a building. I'm interested in the building. It's my community. Do you know what I mean? >> I've got a right to film. >> Fair enough. So, are you local to the area? >> I'm local to the area. Can we just make sure that we maintain a bit of distance? >> No, that's fine. I'm >> You guys have come out a little bit. >> Um, >> I'm more than happy with distance, >> but best believe there's no hostile reconnaissance. You know what I mean? Those that would be doing hostile reconnaissance probably wouldn't be doing it in such an open space, right? >> You'd be surprised. >> So, you know, suggesting things like terrorists and that is a little bit >> Well, it's not it's not really mate. It's very understandable as to reason why. >> It's not really very understandable, is it? >> Police officers. >> And I've answered your question why I'm recording the police station. >> You've said it's my public interest, but you tell me what the public interest is. >> My interest. My public interest. >> Your public interest. >> My public interest in the police station. >> What interest do you have in it then? >> Explain more about your >> Well, you are a public servant. This is a public building. So technically we own the building, right? >> Okay. I'm a crown servant, not public servant. So if you want to go to that rear level, we can. So is there any reason why you're not telling me your name? If you >> cuz I'm not obliged. I'm not obliged to give you my name. I haven't asked you your name. I haven't asked your address, any of these guys addresses. I'm not interested. We're in a public space. I didn't go up to I don't go up to strangers. >> Is not is not really >> I'm a member of the public. You're a member of the public, right? You're meant to serve the public, right? I don't go around asking members of the public, oh, what's your name? Where do you live? Do you understand? That's what we do. >> Okay. Well, I haven't committed a crime. Your job is to uphold the law, right? >> So where there's crime, >> our our job is to keep the peace. >> Come on, ma'am. >> Okay. >> And we're keeping the peace. I'm not >> Okay. >> I'm not breaching the peace. I'm just filming cuz it's my right to film. >> Okay. And reasons why? >> As I said, matters of public interest. >> Okay. You're not telling us any reasons as to why not public interest actually is. >> My And this is where every street audit hits that same moment. The loop of logic. The officers trying to establish suspicion while the auditors calmly saying, "I don't need to tell you who I am." It's like a chess match where both players keep moving the same pawn back and forth. >> Looking test. >> Yeah. >> What if I told you I was I was filming a documentary? >> Okay. >> No need to get your notepad out, mate. I'm not going to give you my details. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Say that again. So, let me know if I'm on the verge of committing an offense or anything like that and I'll stop cuz it's not my, you know, I haven't come here to commit the offenses or, you know, no one likes a criminal. >> I'm not saying nobody likes >> I know. So, you know what I mean? >> We've both got the same public interest then, right? >> Okay. >> So, if we've got the same public interest and we're working for the same. >> Yeah. >> Why are you being suspicious by not to tell me? >> I'm How am I being suspicious, mate? >> I'm engaging with you, aren't I? >> I appreciate you've got your face covered. Understandable. >> I've I've got nothing to hide. You know what I mean? I'm not wearing it for for the sakes of >> um elusive reconnaissance or otherwise. You know what I mean? I'm just >> I'm not telling you who you are. >> I don't need to tell you who I am. >> Okay. >> Do I? >> Okay. >> Am I obliged to tell you who I am? >> Not tell me who you are >> because I don't need to. >> Okay. >> You You can't really infringe my rights like that. Here's a big one. In the UK, officers must identify themselves if asked by providing their name and badge number unless operational security prevents it, which is almost never the case in a public audit like this. So, the officer refusing to give his name, that's eyebrow raising at best and potentially a breach of conduct at worst. >> You know, is there any reason as to why you are >> mate? We're going around in circles. >> We are, mate. >> We are, aren't we? I'm not I'm actually very more more suspicious of you now than when I initially came out and spoke to you. >> Okay. What are you suspicious of? >> Because you're not telling me your name and your need to give you my name interest, but you won't tell me more about that local interest. >> All right. What if I told you I'm filming a documentary? >> Okay. And the documentary is for what? >> Just for my own use. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> We'll get We'll get a skipper down and we'll sort this out. >> We can get a skipper down. You can get whoever you want down, mate. It's no problem. You can crack on. Get whoever you want down. Get your sergeant down. Get your lieutenant down. Get the queen down. >> It's not a problem. >> I'm not happy with that. We'll wait. >> We can wait, mate. I can hear it all day. >> We'll wait to sort that out. All right. >> And what's your name, please, if you wouldn't mind identifying yourself? >> 3528. >> And your name? >> I'm not going to give you my name. >> So, is it not your Are you not meant to um uh >> What? >> You could be anyone. You're in uniform. >> I could be, but you got my social number. 3528. >> And you're not going to give me your name? >> No, you're not giving me your name. >> Okay. Yeah, but I'm not I'm not in a duty of care. Do you understand? I don't have to >> I don't have to give you my name of >> care that I have with you. >> I'm not obliged to give you my name. >> All right. So, police officers don't it's not in your code of conduct or anything like that. You don't have to um identify yourself. >> There's an instance of this nature. >> Okay. So, that's um it's selective when you can identify yourself, right? >> There is specific legislation for it. Yes. >> Is there? >> Yeah. >> What is that legislation? >> It's the counter terrorism legislation. >> Okay. Wait. So, the counter terrorist legislation if you not identify your name at the moment. >> And there it is. The mic drop moment. The auditor stays respectful, calm, and logical while the officers spiral into confusion. Whether you agree with audits or not, this one perfectly shows why knowing your rights matters. Because confidence backed by knowledge, that's the real power move. >> Yeah. And everything, not telling us who you are, telling me it's for a local documentary, but not actually telling me anything more about that. >> I don't really think you know like what you're talking about to be honest. So the reason for you not identifying yourself is for counterterrorism. >> Yeah. At the moment. Yeah. And if we can just establish that it's not that, I would >> Is that right, officers? Is it? Does that That seems legit, right? That seems right, does it? You haven't just made that up. >> No. >> So, it's not in your officer handbook to identify yourselves by name. >> How about you, sir? >> We don't have to identify ourselves by our name. We've got our show numbers if you're that interested in finding out our names. >> I'm not I don't really care to be honest. I just thought, do you know what I mean? I'm just wanting to see whether you're actually going to do what you're supposed to do. But now, you're refusing to identify yourself. So, >> it's 2527 >> on the on the basis of counterterrorism act. Is it? I'm going to look that up cuz I don't know much about the law. It's your job to know about the law. All I know is that public photography isn't a crime. So, I'm going to continue exercising my right to film in public. >> And like I said, if you want to get your lieutenant down, do you know what I mean? I I'll tell him the same thing, mate. It's not a personal thing. Don't don't think like that. I'm not trying to be um antagonize anyone or provoke anyone. It's not my intention, you know? >> But rest assured, I don't have any ulterior motives or any anything like that. And I believe the person that you're looking for wouldn't be doing it in this sort of space. >> Yeah. because I don't need to, mate. I'll get your lieutenant to come out. >> Yeah, I don't know. Obviously, it's my first time doing this, so obviously I'm a bit nervous, but um that's to be given. [laughter] Let's see. Let's see if if the lieutenant's going to come out. Well, I tell him, you can tell the queen to come out, mate. He's trying to tell me that he doesn't have to identify himself on some counterterrorism legislation. That doesn't make any sense to me. You know what I mean? At least make it make sense. Hello, sir. >> All right. >> Are you a police officer? >> No. What we have to >> Nothing. >> Okay. >> Enjoy your day. >> Cheers. [snorts] >> Oh man, these police are funny, man. See, I don't know much about the law, but clearly they don't either. [laughter] Oh boy.