back to another video after a brief hiatus. Do forgive me. I've been getting a bit caught up. So, a lot of things have been going on. Firstly, um a police sergeant was fatally shot and killed inside um a police station in Cuddon. A journalist from the BBC, a home affairs journalist tried to get into >> Whoa, that's a serious move by the Met. A community protection notice, CPN, is usually reserved for antisocial behavior, not lawful filming. The fact they tried to use it here shows how uncomfortable some police forces still are with public accountability. What do you think, overreach or justified caution? Drop your take in the comments below. >> With me uh regarding auditing, said he wanted to do a story. Obviously, I declined. And finally, the Met tried to issue a community protection notice against me. has stopped me filming um outside police stations in London. So, a lot of interesting developments there. >> And here's where the tension starts. Every auditor knows that first contact sets the tone. Will it be a calm conversation or another you can't film here moment? Let's see which side Kilburn falls on today. >> Um I don't want to talk on this too much. Do you know what I mean? I'm just here to do the audits today to be honest. Um as you can see, today we're in Kilburn. We're back in London. So interesting. Interested to see what response we're going to get. So, boom. One take. Um, let's hope it goes well. I'm going to pick it back up in a sec. >> You okay? >> Yeah. >> The reason why you're filming me? >> No. Matters of public interest. >> Say again. matters of public interest. >> All right. >> Is that okay? >> What's going on, >> Josh? >> What's going on? >> Just wondering why why you feeling >> I just told you you're making me feel a bit nervous like all on the radio. What's going on? >> Irony alert. The auditors calling out the officer for breaking the rules while enforcing them. It's little moments like this that flip the power dynamic and audiences love it. Ever noticed how cops don't like being corrected even politely? >> Is there a unit that can come out to the back and help things? >> What do you need help with? >> Some mistaken. >> Okay. No worries. Hey, Constable. I'm not sure you can park there. You know, >> you need to move your car. You can't park there. >> Yeah. No, >> you can't park there. >> Uh, what seems to be the problem? >> Why are you parked on double yellow? >> I don't understand. Why are you standing outside the police? Keep your hands out. Keep your hands out. >> No way. >> What seems to be the problem? >> I've just There's no It's problem. I don't have a problem. >> So, how long you been standing there filming with me? >> About 5 minutes. >> About 5 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What's >> Would you mind identifying yourself, please? >> My name is Peter Palmer. I'm attached to this kill. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> What's all this >> gentlemen? Been standing here for not sure how long. You've been filming. >> Why is he parked on double yellow? >> Come in and out. >> Hello, constable. Can we keep a bit social distance? >> You've been here before, haven't you? You're >> I have never been here before, mate. I haven't been here before. No. >> Done your homework? >> What What are you doing here today? >> Filming. >> Yeah. Comings and goings of a police station. >> Is it? >> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. >> What's that for? >> Uh matters of public interest. >> Matters of public interest. >> People are interested in, you know, interactions with police, how their tax money is being spent, the upkeep of the building. So that's the honest answer to be honest, sir. >> Obviously from our point of view, it looks it looks a little bit concerning. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. >> Cuz we have to just make for some people look at it to see for bad reasons. That's why >> Well, I'm not hostile. I haven't got any. >> No, no, you're not. You're talking to us gender or anything like that. >> That's why we've come. >> Okay. I appreciate that. Well, if we're done here, then I'm going to keep filming. >> Where was the last time you were here? >> I don't have to answer questions. I'm >> He's been here before. >> I haven't been here before, mate. >> Yeah, he's a he's a regular for his um >> social media channel to see how many likes he can get. >> Is that what you think this is? >> Yeah. He's looking for >> Well, if it's okay, I'm going to keep filming. >> I haven't been here before, by the way. 1693. I haven't been here before. >> Been to other police stations. >> Maybe. Yeah, >> at least you've done your homework. >> I have done my own homework. >> Yeah, good for you. Has like a bulletin gone around the Met like to let them know about public photographers and stuff like that. >> About what? Sorry. >> About public photographers and people filming outside police stations. I >> I don't know what you're uh trying to achieve really. >> I've literally explained it. If you don't understand then >> is it see how many likes you get on social media? >> It's got nothing to do with likes, mate. >> It's got nothing to do with followers or likes. >> You're not college today or not working? >> No, I'm not. No, I took the day off to do this today. >> Well, you took the day off from college or work. >> I don't have to answer questions. >> No, >> you don't have to judge me. You don't get paid to judge members of the public doing lawful activities. >> Do something good with your life, mate. Something good. >> Okay. >> Just >> Why have you made those comments? >> Thanks, mate. Have a good one. You too, sir. >> Do something good for yourself. >> All right, mate. You do something good as well, >> Baldi. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. What? >> What? >> You don't need to be disrespectful. >> I'm not being disrespectful. You're the one that's being disrespectful. >> Trying to walk. >> No, that's what you're doing, mate. >> Yeah, that's it. Go on. Walk on. >> You started it, mate. Can slap head. Yeah. Go on. Jog on, mate. police station. >> All right, you can find it odd if you like. >> Okay. >> All right, we done a minute. Any particular reason why this one? >> Just I just happen to be here. >> Do you live locally? >> Do you live locally? >> Well, I don't live where I work, mate. >> Okay. I'm not interested in where you live or anything like that. That's good. >> Why are you interested in where I live? >> Filming outside a police station. >> Okay. >> Or is it a crime to film outside? Is it a crime to film outside a police station? >> Not. >> All right. Then why are you asking me questions then? >> Yeah. >> Stop. If it's not a crime, then stop asking me questions. >> You can find it unusual. But >> any reason why this one? >> Say that again. Sorry. >> Any particular reason why this one? >> No particular reason. No. work here. It's not a particularly interesting building. >> It's not. No, like I said, just matters of public interest. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Is that okay? >> You have a good time. >> All right. Thank you, fellas. Any particular reason why you're videoing? >> Just matters of public interest. >> Matters of public interest. >> Yeah, that's it. Yeah. >> Okay, that's fine. Uh, you're going to be here for a while. How long you planning on to do that? >> Just as long as it takes. >> As long as it takes. Yeah, that's right. Is there any aim you're trying to achieve? >> There's no aim. Just matters of public interest. People are interested in how they Well, you ask me a question then you interrupt me. >> That's fine. Is it okay if I go and have a quick chat? >> Yeah, of course you can. Yeah, of course. Thank you. There we go. I like that. So the CS watch out for this car. This is a textbook answer and a smart one. In UK law, filming from a public place is perfectly lawful as long as you're not trespassing or obstructing. The Matters of Public Interest line isn't just filler. It's a shield that keeps auditors within their legal rights. Yeah, these guys look a bit scary. I'm not going to lie. These guys look like they're on job. The CS Good afternoon. >> Good morning. You guys are CDs? >> Yeah. Not. Uh, >> why are you putting your gloves on? >> It's cold. >> Okay, sure. >> Keep my gloves on. All >> right. Any reason why you're here? >> Matters of public interest. >> Just people are interested. This building is a police station, right? I'm aware. Yeah. >> And you seem to be filming police stations, right? Vehicles coming in and out, officers coming in and out. Is there any particular reason? >> Okay. If you let me explain, >> you want to do that. I That's the question. I would I would really expect a full explanation. >> Okay, no problem. So, if people are interested in the comingings and goings of a police station, how their tax money is being spent, the upkeep of the building and interactions between the public and police. >> Okay, >> that's the honest answer. >> I'll sit down and send the aim. I literally just >> how you filming police officers coming in and out to the police station including the personal vehicles helps with that >> cuz for me it's very know the track of of >> it's not I don't I'm not trying to keep track of anybody >> and what's your intention to do with this video >> my own recreation >> your own recreation that's correct okay to know the faces of police officers the personal vehicles >> I'm not interested in anyone's personal vehicles >> are you happy to provide your personal details cuz at the moment you detained for the purpose of the search and the ter The terrorism >> section 43 is it? >> Okay. >> Are you going to search me then? >> Okay, we're going to search him. >> Can I keep this running? >> I don't mind. Yeah, of course. >> This is where section 43 of the terrorism act 2000 gets thrown around often wrongly. It allows searches only if there's reasonable suspicion of terrorism related activity. Filming police stations alone doesn't meet that bar. The officer here just admitted on camera that a repeat search could be unlawful. That's a big legal cell phone. All right. Would you mind recording? >> Yeah, I don't mind. I really don't mind. >> Is that okay? >> Yeah, just >> Okay. >> Are you okay to provide me? You >> won't You won't find my ID. No. >> No. I'm asking you if you're happy to give me >> No, I'm not happy to. >> So, why do you want to search me for? Do you not think that's an unlawful search? >> You So, you're not going to record me the other way, please. >> The other way. Just have this determined. Okay. >> All right. Go on. Just do it. I'm not going to I'm not going to do nothing >> in case we uh drop. So when [snorts] we finish the search, you're entitled to the copy of the uh >> I don't feel like you've got any reasonable grounds. >> If you understood by the police station >> reasonable grounds there really is it? >> If you really explain to me what you're planning to do with the video then >> what's your name? >> PC Labota 2209. Okay. >> Okay. >> If you really explain to me, you know that >> I do. >> You're filming police station isn't ground. >> You didn't give me updated earlier. >> Well, you started it. Don't don't spoken to. >> He's been spoken to. >> So you didn't mention you've been spoken to the office. So I don't need to mention that. >> Okay. Well, that would b it now. Go ahead and >> at the moment he's still going to wait for the result. If someone's spoken to you already, there is no >> there's no reason for us to do it again. Okay. Cuz then, as you say, it could have become an unlawful search. [laughter] >> I didn't mow you. >> And there it is. The heart of public auditing. It's not about clicks or confrontation. It's about forcing institutions to stay accountable under the camera's eye. Whether you agree with the methods or not, the message lands. Transparency protects everyone. Didn't >> mention you was spoken to. >> Doesn't matter whe regardless of whether I been spoken to, it would have still been an unlawful search. You just admitted that on camera. So, >> no, I didn't. I said if you've already been searched like few minutes ago, then I'm not going to bother. I haven't been searched. I've been apprehended. I haven't been searched. >> Apprehended. >> Apprehended. Yeah. >> As in As in I've been spoken to. >> Okay. That's not comprehension. Listen, if you've been spoken to by officers and they've got no concerns, that's fine. >> But do you understand why we've got concerns? >> Not really. >> But >> no, >> not really. >> Let let me put in perspective. If someone was stood by your house filming everyone who's coming in and out, >> would you be concerned? >> If they were doing it from public, then there's nothing that I can really do. I can film anything I can see from public. >> I agree. I completely agree. >> Thank you. >> It's just photography is not a crime. >> Raises concerns. I'm not saying it's a crime. >> I'm not saying it's a crime. No. >> Okay. Are we done here? >> Let my go. Not at the moment. >> I would like my colleague to finish to speak to the officers that spoken to you before. >> So, what are you guys doing? Is this C? >> We are part of C. Yeah, that's correct. >> Cool. >> So, you're like the intelligent police officers. >> This is part of C. All right. You seem to want to know a lot about what we do. >> I'm curious. The public are curious. >> Why is that? >> You thinking about joining it? >> People feel like there's um there's a little bit of indifference between the public and the police. >> Why is that? >> I don't know. Like the public, you know, the public opinion of the police is a little bit, as I said, indifferent. So, I'm just trying to um >> iron out those indifferences and trying to promote transparency, open government. >> Okay. >> It's a perfectly reasonable explanation. >> It's a reasonable explanation. >> I you know, I don't have to answer any questions. >> No. And to be honest, I really appreciate how we chat. Thank you. because it would be really concerning if you just stood here and didn't speak to me. But >> of course, again, I'm not trying to provoke anyone or antagonize. >> This is going to help to bring us in public together. >> Good. >> I just I just really personally don't think you will. >> Okay. >> How are you filming police officers coming in and out? >> Okay. Are you sorry you still detect it? Are you trying to catch police officers? I don't know in some wrongdoing. >> No. No. Well, >> if he is, >> it's not the main objective, but I nearly caught you. You've got go bus. >> Are you aware that are you aware that if an officer suspects you to be a terrorist, >> they just have to reasonably suspect it? You don't need grounds to suspect it. You just have to reasonably suspect it. Are you aware of that? >> Thanks for your time. You're no longer detained. You've been spoken to officers who are satisfied with what you're doing here. You've given reasonable excuses. Right. >> If I can just ask, how long are you planning on staying here? Well, the reason I'm asking it takes >> so I can update the officers as in days, hours, minutes. >> As long as it take I don't want to use up any more of your time. So, I'll probably be going >> cuz what might happen every single officer that comes here and he's not briefed. >> I'm not going to be here all day. Yeah. I I don't >> So, you're saying as long as it takes? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. So, so you're not willing to I'm not giving my name. All right. Okay. How were you to stand on the road? She might get run over. All right. All the best. >> All the best.