Officer Massie is patrolling rain slick streets when he spots a risky combo. Suspended plates and no headlights in a downpour. What should be a routine traffic stop quickly turns into a bizarre standoff with a driver who thinks she's opted out of the Florida Motor Vehicle Code. She refuses to provide a license, claims she doesn't conspire in business, and calls herself a state national. with a child in the back seat and a friend trying to intervene. She turns a simple ticket into an obstruction arrest while lecturing the officer on her right to travel without ID. If you're ready to watch a sovereign citizen get a reality check in the rain featuring a debate over whether a driver's license is a business conspiracy, smash that like button. We're going to need the moral support for this level of legal gibberish. >> Can you roll the window down, please? Hey, how are you? >> All right. Hey, I'm Officer Massie. I'm stopping the vehicle for two different reasons. First reason is your license is suspended. Okay. And secondly, your headlights are not on and it's raining outside. >> Go ahead. Did you know that your license was suspended? >> Supposed to be on a test. >> Could you call? >> No, I cannot. >> I copied Charlie King. >> You're more than welcome to call 435 and request one, but >> he's not going to come out just for you requesting to talk to him. I'm I'm perfectly capable of of doing my job. Okay. Um, do you have any any questions in reference to why you I stopped you? Okay. So, I need three things from me. Your license, your registration on the vehicle, and your insurance. >> Business. >> Say again. >> I don't conspire in business. >> I don't know what that means, ma'am. >> I don't conspire in your business. I do not understand. I don't answer. >> Okay. Do you have a driver's license? >> 212. >> Okay. So man, this is going to go >> state. I don't care. >> So listen, this is going to go one way and one way only. Okay? You are going to identify yourself and if you refuse to, I'm going to remove you from the vehicle and I'm going to place you under arrest. >> I'm not refusing. >> You are? >> Because I'm not you're in violation of two Florida state statutes and you have to provide your license or you have to identify yourself. You have not done either of those. >> I identify myself as a state national. >> Sure. Stop. >> Go ahead. Let's start me another. Um, so here's the deal. Okay. >> Do not answer. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I'm 26. I'm just standby. Um, so here's the deal. Okay. >> I'm going to I'm going to give you one more chance, okay, to provide your identification. And if you don't, you're going to jail. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I'm a super I'm I'm super nice, right? If you just provide your ID, you know, you might just get a warning, you know, but when behavior like this this continues, >> I have not >> I'm more likely to right side. Okay. So, you have to identify yourself. >> Hands are in my lap and I've identified myself as a how state national. I do not do >> you're on the roadway in the state of Florida and you're in violation of two state statutes and you have still not identified yourself. That's what I've asked several times. Okay. So, get out of the vehicle. Come on. Get out of the vehicle. Turn away from me. Turn away from me. Turn around. Hands behind your back. Interlock your hands like you're praying. >> Gotcha. Ma'am, feel this [ __ ] tight for me. Okay. I'll come back and talk to you. One night, >> take a step to your right, please. >> Take a step to your right, please. I don't want you to get all soaking wet. Is there anyone else in here besides? >> Hey, baby. You okay? Okay. Just one second. Okay. I'll walk her back. If you'll just stand with the rest, I think we'll be good with that. Ma'am, do you have anything on your person you're not supposed to have? Okay. Over here. >> I'd like to give you a notice. Hey to Officer Thompson, swap with me, please. And if you'll search her, >> they're okay. I'm not worried about them. They've been chill the whole time. >> I like for you to take notice that I've, you know, let >> Hey, ma'am. How are you? Is >> what's the deal with with her? >> I don't know. She was taking me into >> Do you know her very I mean, obviously you're Is she just giving you a ride or what? We have to get me a phone. See, I'm not from here. >> Okay, I got you. >> I already know my way. >> What's your relation What's your relation to her? Just a friend or >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, is is the is the child with you or is the child with her? >> Okay. >> She was trying to help me get my uh phone. >> Sure. But I can know. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I can have be able to know to get the problem cuz I got to have my phone cuz my phone is >> Yes ma'am. Um >> all my information in the phone my phone. >> Does does that Lilo and Stitch Bag belong to her or you? >> Huh? >> Is that Is that your mom that was driving? >> Yeah, that's your mommy. Is that her backpack? >> It's y'all's togethers. Okay. All righty. Tom, if you'll come back here for me, please. Y'all just sit tight for me. Okay. There's a kid in the [ __ ] back seat, too. Her her child. 1754150. >> Thank you. Hey, so she's coming southbound on pace. No headlights on. It's clearly raining. And she should have headlights on. >> Running. >> I couldn't tell. Okay. >> Headlights weren't on though. Every other car that was passing her all had their headlights on and it was it was raining pretty good. >> Stop her. She's pulling the hole. >> Not replying to any of my questions. Not answering nothing. I want to supervise. I'm like, "You're more than welcome to call 4351845 and request one." I asked her maybe six, seven times like, "You need to identify yourself." She's refusing saying I don't have to. So, I pull out of the car. [snorts] She's in the back of my car currently. She has a kid in the back seat. Um, I don't really know what to do about that. She also has a passenger that she >> warrant or >> I don't know. I have don't I haven't even got positive on her yet. I ran the plate. It comes back to a female who kind of I mean kind of looks like her. I'm unable to I haven't looked at that yet. >> Okay. >> A license also is not valid for whoever that is. Whoever the vehicle belongs to. >> Black female around her age looks like her. I don't >> I'll try to talk there and see what we got. >> Yeah. One second. >> I gave her a few minutes. If not, we'll have to contact DCF to see if they can take custody of the kid in the meantime. She's just got a few minutes to think about it before we decide. >> Don't I get to talk before I call someone about my child? >> I I would love to do that for you. >> Not harassment for her. >> Is Billy's for your is >> harassment for her? >> Is your dad's number 418 >> listening? >> Okay. Well, that chance has ended. We're just going to do the DCF route then. >> Disagree. [snorts] And I ask that you call a sergeant and identify me correctly. >> You just spoke to one. >> I ask that you identify me correctly. Identify me correctly. This is kidnapping and it's coercion to threaten me behind this well-being of my daughter. >> Yes. >> Are you aware of that? >> Are you upset because you feel that you don't have the correct information? I'm entitled to that. You're entitled to nothing. >> Excuse me. You saying I don't have rights? >> You do. >> Okay. >> But I don't if I don't want to let you speak to them, I'm not going to. [snorts] >> Well, you were you were nasty from the beginning so far. >> Oh, was I really? I think I'm actually very nice. >> No, you weren't. >> I found positive on her. >> Oh, she's habitual, too. >> Oh, that's why. >> She have a warrant. >> Yeah, that's why. Toyota. >> And you're a habitual traffic offender, too. So, >> trafficender. >> Yeah, you're a habitual traffic offender. So, you're going to get a felony for that, too, in 2023. >> Hey, she's habitual, too. That's probably why it >> Hey, my proper paperwork. >> Question for you >> is home and Miss Rivers can provide that one. Can Miss Rivers take possession of this vehicle as well so we don't have to tow it? I don't I I don't want to have to tow it. >> There's no problem. >> Okay, cool. I appreciate watch. >> Hey, uh she's good with her taking the car in Ry County. Cop starting. >> You're a very nasty young man. >> 21,680. I disagree, but hey, everyone's >> able to have their own opinion. >> What though? >> What? And because you know what you do as a form of business, you mistaken me regular, you know, the idea is you did not provide me the company >> or answer your question. >> You know why? >> You know why I decided not to allow you to do any of that? >> Because of your behavior and how you're acting. You don't you don't deserve anything right now. >> Excuse me. Because of my views. Is that what you said? >> I said your behavior. >> What behavior? I I did not yell. I did not force myself or voice on you or anyone that you were with. I didn't struggle with you. What What do you mean? What was my behavior to your stand? >> This would have went much much easier if you just provided your information like everyone else does from the beginning. that to provide that information. Is that not doing business with you? So, I have to conduct business the correct way. Is that not true? >> 100% I agree with you. >> All right. >> Which you refuse to do. >> Hold on a minute. I let you know that I didn't have my proper paperwork on my vessel >> and that I do have it. >> None of those words were said. >> I asked for a sergeant. Yep. >> And the sergeant has a protocol to call as well. >> Oh, really? Does he? Okay. Interesting. Yes, he has he has he has the uh overstanding to do business as is to be done. >> Well, >> yes. >> To fully grasp the absurdity of this interaction, we must deconstruct the specific brand of pseudo law the driver is attempting to wield. When she tells the officer she doesn't conspire in business, she is referencing a core tenant of the sovereign citizen ideology, which falsely claims that traffic laws only apply to commercial entities engaged in commerce. In her mind, by refusing to hand over her license, she is not breaking the law. She is refusing to sign a commercial contract. This is a form of semantic magical thinking where the subject believes that specific phrasing acts as a shield against state authority. She views her car not as a motor vehicle subject to registration, but as a private vessel operating under common law. The danger of this mindset is that it completely erodess the concept of accountability. She genuinely believes that because she hasn't injured anyone, she cannot be arrested, ignoring the fact that driving without headlights in the rain is a direct threat to public safety. The presence of the child in the back seat elevates this from a quirky roadside debate to a case of gross parental negligence. The driver is so committed to her ideological bit that she is willing to traumatize her child, risk having the child taken by the Department of Children and Families, and go to jail rather than simply identifying herself. This demonstrates a profound narcissistic disconnect where the need to be right supersedes the duty to protect her offspring. The officer's threat to call DCF is not a bullying tactic. It is a necessary procedure when a sole guardian is being arrested. Her reaction to this, accusing him of kidnapping and coercion, is a classic example of Darvo, deny, attack, reverse victim, and offender. She attacks the officer for the consequences of her own non-compliance, framing herself as the victim of a tyrannical system rather than a mother failing her basic duties. Sociologically, the most revealing moment comes when her background is exposed. The officer discovers she is a habitual traffic offender, a status reserved for drivers who have accumulated a significant number of serious traffic convictions. Far from being ashamed, she wears this title with a disturbing nonchalance, even asking the officer if he wonders how someone can be so immortalized by their record. This suggests that her sovereign citizen rhetoric is less of a political stance and more of a coping mechanism for a lifetime of irresponsibility. She has likely lost her license due to repeated failures to follow the rules. So, she has adopted a philosophy that says the rules don't exist. Her casual admission that she swapped the license plate from her white Honda to this car is the final nail in the coffin of her credibility. It proves she understands the law well enough to try and cheat it. She knows she needs a valid tag to drive without getting pulled over, so she steals one from another vehicle. This isn't the act of a principled state national standing up for liberty. It is the act of a fraudster trying to avoid insurance premiums. The interaction concludes with a masterclass in psychological projection. The driver repeatedly calls the officer nasty, rude, and accuses him of having an ego. Despite the video evidence showing him maintaining a calm, professional demeanor throughout the encounter, she projects her own hostility and arrogance onto him to preserve her self-image. She cannot accept that she is the aggressor who escalated the situation. So, she must rewrite the narrative to make him the villain. Her inability to answer simple questions about whether she breaks the law, followed by her taunting silence, reveals a fragility beneath the bravado. She knows she has lost the argument, but her ego will not allow her to concede. Instead, she sits in the back of the squad car, a sovereign queen in handcuffs, convinced that her immortality will save her right up until the moment the jail cell door slammed