Because our next option here is to break the window and to force you out of the vehicle, which we don't want to do. I don't want to be physical with you at all. >> The officers offered every chance to comply, but the situation reached a breaking point. Discover the legal loophole this driver attempted to use against the police. >> So, the plate The The plate on the back of the car doesn't come back to this car. And the VIN that's written on the plate doesn't come back to this VIN, either. >> looking at the plate? >> Because it's what I do every day. >> All right, you don't want to do that. You ain't got no probable cause to do that. We ain't broke no law. >> Absolutely, I have probable cause. Listen, I'm not trying to start [ __ ] here. >> All right, that's cool. >> So, I I do this I do this every day. You see, I'm in the unmarked acting cars, no front plates. You look at this car and it's clearly a fictitious plate on the back. >> No fictitious plate. >> The plate >> What's that VIN? >> Plate Plates are on a car to be visible to the public. >> We call our lawyer and do that. We don't talk to nobody for nothing. >> We don't even know what the probable cause is. >> No probable cause. We don't even know We don't even know who is this or what is this. You hear me? So, let's go. >> Right, but what I'm asking is it was the >> Yeah, stand by. Can I get one more unit? No, you're not free to go just yet. You're not free to go. You're not free to go. Ma'am, do not get back in that car. If you leave, your tire is going to pop. Your tire will pop if you leave. Do not Get out of the car. Step out of the car, please. >> That's a violation of my rights. >> you to step out of the car. You're about to leave when I told you not to leave. >> know who this guy is. >> Hey, I'm an Orland Park police officer. I'm telling you that right now. >> Get your phone out of tape. You violated our rights, man. >> I am not violating anybody's rights. You're not about to leave. >> 41753, I think he's going to try and take off on me. 41753, let me get another unit here. He's going over the traffic. >> Step out of the car. Step out of the car. Step out of the car. Because you're leaving after I told you you couldn't leave. >> Who are you? Who are you? I don't know what you >> Fullerton Park Police. >> I don't know what this guy is. >> Fictitious plate on the vehicle. >> Hey, could you take him as well? >> Everything's done for. >> Hey, take him. Take him. >> Step out of the car for me. >> Everybody is getting video. What's the problem? >> Listen. I already popped your tire here. That's fine. >> my tire. You owe me for a tire. >> You can step out of the >> I haven't broken any law. >> Everyone should take a seat out. >> I haven't broken any laws. What's the problem? >> Come outside and I'll talk to you. If you don't step out of the car What's up? >> Are you are you of some some type of seniority? >> How can I help you? How can I help you? We're all police here. >> Can I get a supervisor? >> No, we're going to have you talk outside the car. >> No, we don't talk outside the >> We're going to talk outside the car. >> I haven't broken any laws, so I don't have to get out of my car. >> You do. >> I don't. What law have I broken? What What What law have I broken? >> You have fictitious plate on this vehicle. >> have I broken? >> The I just told you. >> How are they fictitious? >> Come out here and I'll talk to you. The VIN on the plate doesn't match this. >> Is there a supervisor that I can speak to because right now I feel like I'm getting my >> There is not. >> I'm I'm getting my rights >> All right. Hold on. I'm walking. I'm giving him I'm giving him a chance. Hold on. Hold on. 1 2 3 4 5 Listen. >> 5 >> Listen. >> You guys are officers of what? >> Orland Park Police Department. >> Listen. I'm telling you you have to step out of this car right now. >> What law have I broken, sir? >> You have fictitious plates on the car, and I tried to talk to you. You said you're getting your lawyer, and you got in the car. I told you you were not free to leave while I was investigating this. I warned you about this stop and you decided to drive over. >> do you know my plates are fictitious? >> The VIN does not match the VIN that's on this car. >> Why are you looking at my VIN? >> Because it's probable cause. I do it every day. >> Why are you looking at my VIN? This is This is >> Because it's clearly fictitious plates on the car. >> First of all, this is not a city This is This is private This is private. I'm in a mall eating. >> Okay. >> With my significant other. >> Okay. >> Now, I'm asking for a supervisor. >> I'm going to tell you to get out of the car right now, or you're going to be placed in the custody. >> I'm asking for a supervisor because I'm not running >> There will be one at the Orland Park Police Department. >> I'm not running anywhere. Everybody putting on their gloves like you guys can't have a conversation. >> We will. outside of this car. >> No, no. You You have to listen. >> The warrant for your arrest is for obstructing. >> Excuse me, sir. >> If you don't step out of the car, you're going to be arrested for obstructing. >> I'm not obstructing. >> You are. >> I'm not I'm asking >> you to step out of the car. >> Hold on. You're telling me You're telling me my my plates are fictitious. >> Correct. >> You have no probable cause for checking my plates or for checking my VIN number. This is what I'm saying. No. That's just This is what I'm saying. Now, now I'm calm. I'm calm. I'm relaxed. I'm asking for a supervisor. >> The supervisor is not coming here. >> It has to be a supervisor. It has TO BE A SUPERVISOR. >> NO, IT DOES NOT have to be. There's There's no law. There's no rule saying there has to be one. It's not a supervisor. Sir, you will talk to a supervisor eventually. >> to be a supervisor. >> You will talk to a supervisor. I can promise you that. Okay? >> I haven't >> It's time to step out of the car, sir. >> I haven't broken any laws. I'm not obstructing. I'm not obstructing. As I keep repeating, I'm not obstructing. >> You are. Yes, you are. >> I haven't broken any laws. >> Sir, can I step out of the vehicle? You're going to be removed from the vehicle. >> Sir, can you show me your supervisor? I need to talk to him. I got a boss here. [laughter] He's coming right now. He's going to tell you the same thing, okay? >> I haven't broken any laws. You guys are trespassing on me. >> Sergeant O'Connell. >> Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am, for taping. >> Yep. So, that's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 people recording this. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Okay. >> Now, what I'm saying is I just left out of here, out of the Cheesecake Factory, >> Mhm. >> eating. There's I don't have anything illegal going on. This guy is beside my car saying my plates are are fictitious. >> Well, what plates do >> He haven't identi- I'm sorry. He haven't identified himself. My name is >> Right, he's wearing a vest that has his name and a badge that says Orland Park Police Department on it. >> What I'm saying, he didn't identify himself. >> Well, I'm Sergeant O'Connell, number 106, okay? >> That's Now, he didn't >> He didn't identify himself. >> He's Officer Warwick, 753, okay? I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot. >> He didn't This is the first time I heard that. >> I just got here, right? So, I'm doing the best I can. So, what is the issue? >> The issue is I don't know this gentleman from nothing in the world, never seen him before. I just came out the Cheesecake Factory. I'm being told my These plates are fictitious. >> Is that true? >> These First of all, I don't answer questions. >> Okay. >> I will not be driving the car >> That's >> illegal. I will not be I will not be operating I will not be operating >> So, you're saying that it's not true? >> I'm saying what I said to you. That's all I'm saying. >> Okay. >> Now, he's checking my VIN and he's doing things and there's no probable cause for that. What is the probable cause for officer to peek on this car? >> To peek on the car? The probable cause is the probable cause is the Secretary of State and the Illinois State Legislature say we can walk around this parking lot and run every single license plate if we want to. Okay? We don't need probable cause to run your license plate, sir. Okay? What's your next question concerning the law? >> I haven't broken any laws. >> You have. Is there a reason the VIN on the plate does not match the VIN on the vehicle? >> I haven't broken any laws. >> Can you Can you answer me that question? >> I haven't broken any laws. >> So, you can't answer that question. >> broken any laws. [ __ ] As far as I understand, according to the constitution >> They can't They can't get that. That VIN doesn't come back to anything, either. >> plates on my my vehicle to go to A to B and you know this. And you know this. >> Yeah, I already called Dena. So, you're you're saying you don't need plates for Do you identify as a sovereign citizen? >> I need no plates. >> Do you identify as a sovereign citizen? >> plates. I You guys You guys slashed my tire. >> No, sir. I'm going to ask you to step out of the car and identify yourself. I'm going to ask you to step out of the car and identify yourself for me, please. >> I haven't broken any laws. I have I have identification, but I haven't broken any laws. >> Okay, please give me that identification now. >> I have identification, but I haven't broken any laws. >> Okay, will you please give me that identification? >> What law have I broken? >> You don't have proper registration for your motor vehicle. That's the law that you broke. >> I haven't. First of all, what's the what's the what's the articulate reason of suspicion? There is none. >> We're allowed We don't have to have one. >> You You have to have one. >> Mr. Fox? >> You have to have one. >> Sir, I'm going to ask you to step out of the car and identify yourself for me. >> is very illegal. This is very illegal. >> Okay. Huh? >> This is very illegal. >> Sir, I'm going to ask you >> I haven't Hey, look, I'm taping everything. >> Ready? >> No. >> You're about to get >> They won't They won't let their rights be infringed. >> So, I'll talk to you later. >> Guess what? I haven't broken any laws. >> So, >> I haven't I haven't I haven't broken any laws. >> So, >> No laws have been broken. >> What's your first name? >> Period. Period. This is the problem. You guys This is This is why there's a disconnect. >> You what? >> Why there's a disconnect with the people. And officers are supposed to be The peace officers are supposed to protect the people. >> Absolutely, you're right. >> This is why. >> But, hey, >> I haven't broken any laws. I'm coming here to spend my heart on Fiat. >> On what? >> This is ridiculous. >> You have the guy's license, man? >> This is very ridiculous. I'm not driving. I'm not driving. >> Are you traveling? >> Why do I need a Why do I need a driver's license? >> Are you traveling? Are you Is it Are >> I'm not operating a commercial vehicle. >> Your key's in the ignition. >> I'm not >> I'm going to ask you to come out. >> I'm not operating a commercial >> You're recording. >> Who's recording? >> I'm okay. >> Very important. >> And you're And you're laughing. >> Let me ask you a question. >> And you're laughing. >> That's my name, actually. >> Ridiculous. >> It is. Jeffrey. >> Ridiculous. >> Can I leave? >> Yeah, go on. You are illegal. That's not legit. You don't >> Hey. >> Turn your ass off. >> Can you take me? >> Yeah, I'll take you. Yeah. >> That's fine. >> That's fine. I see you are, too. >> You have to listen. >> There's a ton of us out here with cameras on this side. >> That is not legal. Would you Would you Would you be okay for someone to do your daughter or your son like that when they come out the restaurant? >> What are you talking about? >> It wouldn't. >> What are you talking about? >> It would not be okay. It would not be okay. >> Hey, no, man. Hey, my name's Casey. I'm a I'm a sergeant here. >> Okay, how's it going, sergeant? >> It's going good. Uh >> I haven't done anything illegal. I don't have to identify myself. >> So, I >> I have identification. >> Okay. Do you mind if I get it? >> I don't have to identify myself. I haven't I I definitely not. I don't do that. I don't have I don't have to do that. I haven't done That's why That's why I'll abide I'll abide by >> Put that name up on our clearance work it out. >> everything that I need to abide by, so I don't have to go through that. >> Okay. >> I don't have to go through that. So, my parents raised me right. >> Here Here's the thing, okay? So, the officer kind of just briefed me what happened here. All right. >> The officer ain't infringing on my liberties. >> Okay. >> liberties, man. >> I understand that. So, the the plates on your car don't match don't match the vehicle, which gives him the right to investigate that. Okay? >> My people died for this. >> Well, nobody Nobody's Nobody's going to die here. We're just asking you to step out and talk to us. >> telling you. >> Okay? We're just We're just asking you to step out and speak with us at this point. >> I'm speaking right now. >> I understand, but I would feel more comfortable if you stepped out and talked to me. >> I'm speaking to you now. You're comfortable. I have I have nothing going on. >> Okay. >> I have Listen. You guys have weapons. I have no weapons. You have no reason to feel >> Are there any >> or to be uncomfortable. >> Are there any officers out here that are pointing weapons at you? No, right? >> Absolutely not. >> We're just talking at this point. Okay? So, at this point, he gave you a lawful order that you weren't free that you were that you weren't free to leave. >> What's lawful about an order? He didn't give me a lawful order. >> I'm I'm just telling you what I've been told at this point, okay? He told you don't you couldn't leave because he was investigating the license plates that's on the vehicle cuz they don't match the VIN that's supposed to be on the vehicle. >> This gentleman never identified himself. He's standing by my car with a unmarked car. I don't know who he is or what he is. I don't know what's I don't know what's going on. >> He is wearing a vest similar to mine, right? >> The fact that this young man, this sergeant when this sergeant This is the only time he identified and he never identified himself. The sergeant identified him. >> Okay, but you you you understand he's wearing a vest that says police on it, right? >> They You can buy They Security Security >> Okay. We're We're not moving cars at this point. >> Security wear that. >> What's that? >> This is not a stolen car. >> Okay. >> This is not a stolen vehicle. >> Why don't you give Why don't you give me your first name, okay? >> I haven't broke a law. >> Cuz at this point you you weren't free to leave. You're not free to leave. And you can either step out and be placed under arrest for obstructing. >> You guys can bring the biggest supervisor to to tell me why I broke the law. I haven't broke the law. I haven't broke the law. I've been through this before. >> Well, at >> I've been through this before and I got the tapings to show it. >> And you're You're not listening to me. I I I don't even know your first name. You know mine. Okay? Because our next option here is break the window and to force you out of the vehicle, which we don't want to do. I don't want to be physical with you at all. I want you to comply and we can have a discussion about it. But at this point, you don't want to listen. You don't want to listen to the investigation. So at this point, I'm asking you to step out of the car before we're forced to break the window. Do you want your window broken? It's a legitimate question. Do you want your window broken? Yes or no? >> I don't want anything broken on this vehicle. >> I don't want anything broken on this vehicle, either. I also don't want to have to physically come in there to get you out of the car. >> So there's no authority that can prevent my rights from being infringed on at this point, basically. Because there's two sergeants. You are a sergeant and he's a sergeant and no one's stepping in. >> So you're >> We have not violated your rights, to be very clear, okay? You have refused to comply with Sergeant Walls orders and now, unfortunately, you are pushing our hands to a point where we're going to have to physically remove you from the vehicle to place you under arrest. >> Which we don't want to do. >> I don't I don't think we could possibly be any more reasonable or offer a grander explanation in the parking lot of a mall than we have. >> Okay. >> So that's as simple as I can make it. If you step out, it'll make life a lot easier. >> I'm about to step out. >> Okay. I appreciate it, sir. >> I'm about to >> That's not your You're welcome to live stream, whatever you want to do. Just step out of the car, okay? >> Say what? >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. So hold on. What are we doing? >> You're being placed under arrest, is what we're doing. >> Don't resist. >> Put your hands behind your back. >> Give me your phone. >> Put your hands behind your back. >> Give me the phone. >> She has both phones. >> up a lie so I could be placed under arrest. >> I can promise you that none of us here are lying, so I'm going to double lock this so that they don't come up on you. >> We're taking all your guys' information. >> The Orland Park Police Station. Can you step out for me, please? >> Yeah, I'm not going to have you touching me though, so y'all going to have another female officer. I I literally just said that. >> Yeah, that's fine. Abby, can you go on the other side? That's fine. >> Yeah, she can't. >> Hey, you know what? Get that young lady Get that young lady name or um >> You're going to have everybody everybody's name, don't worry. Sir, do you have an idea or anything? >> No probable cause to run any plate or any vent number. >> Do you Do you have an idea or anything? >> I'm being searched illegally. >> Come on, sir. >> We're right here in my car. Come on. I'm being searched illegally. My number is 708-931- I'm going to need that video. >> Have a seat. >> Following his arrest, Michael was formally booked on felony charges related to fraudulent registration plates along with resisting and evading officers. However, the defense successfully secured a full dismissal of all counts during subsequent court hearings.