there you go come on then you haven't seen my man how you doing everybody ain't doing good how about yourself all right yeah I hear you I hear you um obviously we gotta cover these again all right yeah what's wrong bro you're good seem a little quiet today yeah talking to my family oh yeah yeah they've been giving me a lot of insight input go ahead okay what all they've been telling you man how y'all around my eyes let's say we brings that me and him wasn't up there but yeah yeah oh well they got to do that you know anytime anytime they do a search they got to do that now but I can show you they didn't rinse out the house y'all still looking for some money well I mean here let me cover this first all right all right name's Charles Rowland you're 49 all right you had the right to main silent anything you say can we'll be using anything you say can and will be used against unicorn law you have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him or her present with you while you're being questioned you cannot afford to hire a lawyer want to be appointed to represent you before any question if you wish you can decide anytime to exercise these rights and not answer any question or make any statements do you understand your rights if you don't mind do you understand that sign that saying that you yes sign right there saying you understand your rights and don't mind us talking to you okay all right well I mean you you brought it the money yeah I mean they're still we're still looking for the money well no I will there's money now we may be looking forever 11 620 dollars yeah my birthday well listen um well you know Dez uh well you know we've been talking with Dez obviously he's been talked to I don't know where you're getting the information but they ain't gonna know everything we're doing now all right we'll go ahead I'm good okay so but we wanted to talk with you you know we talked about the issue with a hammer and a gun the the two that we discussed you know before uh before the phone call and wanted to see if we can talk about that okay all right uh before I go in front I'm going to ask you something yeah go ahead uh before I incriminate myself in the father era or anything like that and I tell y'all about some more murders that I'm not committing can y'all guarantee me I won't get the death penalty can I guarantee that um I can't now the DA's office can I know what I'm saying but I know y'all can talk to him yeah now here here's here's what I can promise you that I will call the D.A and say Mr Rollins willing to discuss other murders that he's responsible for if we do not give him the death penalty um and I can certainly have that conversation and I'll give you my word I'll make that call all right he give me his word and I tell you about all of them like all of them I won't even I skip around okay that's one thing another thing I'll tell y'all about all of them after I talked to my mom you know I mean I said I want to talk to my mom because she don't know nothing about none of them and I hate for the pop across the news okay she have a heart attack or something about to talk to her tell her hey you know your son been bad okay that's fair enough you want to hear it from you or not from the news yeah so you know if they come across you'll be it I think oh man I didn't know my son's doing all that so that's what I say well let me ask you this before I make the phone call um how uh how many because he's going to ask me how many oh from Macon to Atlanta or all of them and told how many are there three yeah three four five I told you 10 but the one in Atlanta you know that Vietnam it's a total of nine people over the gun is that in addition to the one that we've already discussed from 2001. yeah that's what I see okay so that's it now nine so eight more yeah and they're all in Macon in Atlanta yeah any other out of state or anything like that any and any other areas and what what time frames are we looking between oh uh like I said beside that one and 21. in 2001. all the rest of them happened in the last four years okay well let me ask something real quick um is this why why no I ain't got no picture here the very first picture you showed me that thing that dude was just like him you know this guy uh uh honestly hey look for me somewhere but no I can't say I do okay [Applause] um yeah they can guarantee me no depending I said the remain on my days in prison until I die she can hear from me okay well she don't 2001. you know she know I want you know they try to bring it up on me but she doesn't remember yeah yeah honestly sure I just wanted to tell her you want a little something to drink or anything I started chicken meals up better now probably okay yeah I don't got moved to another sale where you at now I'm still I'm still on super max okay but I'm guessing another part of Superman I get to go to the store okay store calling all that kind of stuff yeah my old lady finally something two hundred dollars foreign okay all right so all right that's that's that's my problem to y'all y'all make that happen I won't eat enough sugar cook and then I'll tell you about everything and tell you who what when what how well the Myrtle weapons at everything so keep that happening like that okay well uh what if we made that call right now that da can guarantee there all right and then I can get on that phone to talk to my mom like 10 minutes y'all can sit there and listen I'm good all right I want you do you can you can you okay yeah can you go see let me text the sheriff now with some discussions with our D.A of course I've had to talk with them about our case here you know one of the things they have said I miss telling you exactly what they said that they won't do any talking any kind of nothing until everything with our keys is out there you know they they did say that that four days gonna do any kind of talking that truth will have to be out and then with that you know I also you know I've been doing a little research on that how they trying to you know they got me charged with malice murder murder full murder and number two body for one you know I guess I've been doing some research on that too and uh you know it's a case back in back in I think 2001 something like that they had a case Nathan versus some versus state of Georgia where they tried to charge him the same way he end up beating it well so and obviously we can't give you any kind of legal advice okay so but now I can explain it but I can't necessarily answer any specific questions about how you should pursue that you know obviously we read you your rights your free you know free to stop this interview at any time from what we discussed you understand those rights done okay so you know they're still in your murder where somebody's killed during the course of a felony okay such as armed robbery aggravated salt something like that right and then you can and then there's malice murder which is somebody's killed with a what they call a malice of forethought which can be developed you know very very quickly now you know ultimately when when as far as how the case moves forward you understand and I know you understand this you know there's arrest warrants where there's probable cause to charge somebody with a crime and then the DA's office will make a decision how the case will be indicted okay so some of these on how your case will move forward as far as you know like you're asking about you know about the death penalty and things like that we can't guarantee you that that's why we have to refer to them and as far as how your case is indicted is ultimately how the DA's office believes the facts of the case fit that now have I seen other people been be charged and convicted of felony murder in Miles murder I have okay um but you know I'm not gonna I can't get into how this particular case you know I can I have to leave it there okay I'm not going to get into a water of giving you any kind of legal advice so but but now I mean at the end of the day if it's you know you got two counts of felony murder two counts of malice murder if if you get just two counts of failing murder is you know how much of a difference is that going to make you know so um but what I can do and I you know like I said I'll give you my word we'll check check with these at DA's office and I do want to ask you something Charles um because I don't want it to this to go by and and me not bring this up I would like to sit down with you one day and just have a conversation with no Miranda after this is all said and done and just talk about was how you feel and how you things you know how you've thought going through some of these things is that something you'd be open to maybe later on yeah because I've been doing a lot of thinking in this sale you know that would be but you know if we get to that point later on that wouldn't be anything to accriminate yourself it wouldn't be anything to uh use against you in court it would be any Miranda it just be me and you having a conversation about you know what your thought process you know how you were thinking when some of these things took place maybe you can understand a little bit more about yourself and then it can maybe help me get some insight into other cases all right so is that something you know yeah oh okay so but when we get to the point I'll reach out to you and say hey look Charles you know this ain't no Miranda this ain't nothing to use against you let's just sit down and talk I'm going to get a get a feel for you know what you were thinking when these things took place because what I'd like to do is um you know obviously our goal is to not only solve cases but you know you want to prevent other people getting hurt if you could prevent it you know what I mean and so um so anyway you may be able to shed some light for me and help me out and and it may you may even get some clarity uh for yourself um let me uh can you um you wanna see if we can get the DNA on the phone uh well before we call them all right and and obviously um you know we do got some questions and um and they're going to want the answers to it okay we've been looking for swag all right I'll tell you all about all that I know all about the whole case man I just saying I didn't reveal the whole thing I'm just being honest with you man I know you are yes well here's the thing here's the thing you know Charles we both one you are a very smart man you're not gonna you're not gonna give put all the cards on the table you got to hold some back for yourself and because you never know when you need to play that card and I think for the opportunity for you to play that card it sounds this like you'll play it if you can avoid the death penalty and so some of these questions about the money about the existence of Swag those are the aces you got in your pocket because one you know if you are the trigger man I think you have some concerns about how that would look for the death penalty and then two with money um you know I think there's some sizable money out there that that you would want to be able to either help your family or friends with and then also put on your books later down the line I mean and and we've kind of done from beginning that maybe some of these things now we've looked into it now we've done our due diligence but you know um you kind of get to the point where you know you can't you can't find something that's not there so um so anyway uh I think where it sounds like we're both at a an understanding about Swag and about the money um but what and you don't have to get into details okay you can dodge your head if you want to but I'm gonna have to we're gonna have to give the D.A something all right and you just shake your head yes or no Just Swag exists okay you can leave it at that all right um was there some money yeah I told you with someone okay well I told you something okay all right yeah just just okay let me I'll go with it all right and I don't know if if just to let you know too um Wayne Air when you when we charge him we picked him up I charge him yesterday so with murder felony malice everything you've been charged with he's been charged with okay so he told y'all about his money well it's on your phone too Yeah well yeah we got it on the phone one thousand six hundred twenty dollars yeah that's what I say yeah you're you're holding some cards and we're holding him cars too so come on man like I said this is and that's that you know being real that's that's some of the things the D.A is going to win some clarification on so see every piece of evidence I get I have to give it to them yeah so they prepare their case you know so I have to give them everything I get so you know that's where the clarification with them is coming in that we can't call them this morning and say hey well he don't want the death penalty they're going to say well we really don't you know we're going by what evidence you're giving them we got to be able to give them something you know as well you know we've got to be able to confidently say Charles is a hundred percent telling us the truth other than well this is what he's saying but we're finding this that contradicts what he's telling me exactly you know what I mean yeah it wasn't money it was uh honesty the God on the truth it was a black safe I threw it in the trash can and it would have a bunch of envelopes with different money in there like 500 him 300 and one of them had ten thousand dollars in it it was a total of thirty six thousand dollars and that's safe okay I told her that now he didn't know nothing about the other ten even my old lady didn't know nobody ten because that was all hundred and I put them to the side so we split the 20th I think it was like 25 I think I gave my old lady like two thousand twenty five hundred okay so I went and paid out the rims I could have paid it out a lot but I didn't I left 125 150. gave my brother a couple dollars gave my partner a couple dollars gave my ex a couple dollars the number that I was asking about yeah gave them a couple dollars you know the rest of it I said I was scratch offs and paid my rent got paid that was it that's what I want okay that's the truth with the money okay it pissed me off when they come out 150 sometimes [ __ ] yeah I'm not gonna and you know what he was up front with you we told you we was going to dump your phone yeah we told you that I don't know whether you believe this or not oh yeah I already know John go to the company and get out of our text messages and Charles honestly you know we both know that this is uh this has somewhat been a poker game between us um where you haven't been showing all your cards we're not going to show all our cards um and that takes some time you know obviously this is a serious case I don't necessarily expect you to just give us a hundred percent off the rip that's why I'm not mad at you for lying about it I will if y'all just go clean and get that D.A to say we'll get them on the phone I won't get into their opinion if you be split up with everything okay and that's what it'll take is being straight up with everything like everything everything every little bit every detail the old murders I don't want them I don't know about the repercussion behind I had the drug dealer so I don't know how his family might react but not with me I'm just saying I don't know they might try to retaliate out there Reach Out And Touch one of my family remember but I'm helping it in that part because I'm in here that's the only one I'm weary about I ain't gonna lie to you I got you I can understand that I can't respect that by either you right love yo you have some names on that list on your phone y'all have some other targets right yeah yeah I was talking to a dollar someone was just high-end people bended on us yeah did you take simple back yeah let me uh I tell you what do you mind stepping out and having getting on the phone we'll just kind of Hit the pause button all right and having daddy you want to come out there and talk with them or you want to bring them in here on the speakerphone put them and bring them in here on speakerphone oh we can take him out there in the conference room just talk to just see what he wants to do and then just talking to sheriff and then I want that that I'll just sit in here with him okay shut up all right hey buddy you want me step out of there with you no you're good no I ain't going nowhere I think they're made right now we'll get some bro let me ask you this though while we you know while we're waiting um does it is it this isn't getting into any of the facts about these cases but when you make the decision to pull the trigger is there a a um do you is it instinctual is it planned in your mind or is it uh do you just accept that that's a possibility if if things do not go 100 smoothly or what what makes you make that decision anytime I do a lick or whatever you know my mind frame it anything go wrong so you know it's like uh I go in with the mentality and I hope I don't have to kill these people but if I got to it's a chart between me and them I plan on going home yeah so that'd be my mentality anytime I do anything okay I'm going over the attention my intention is to get the money and go so it's just basically if you encounter a what you perceive as a threat you eliminate the threat yeah now so before you go hit a lick what are some things that you do to prepare yourself mentally or what do you go about your normal routine or do you are you do you do anything uh behaviorally that's different from your normal self does that make sense yeah that makes me about to say right do you rest up do you what it is I'm about to do uh who the target is yeah you know if it's just a business owner or something if it's a drug dealer like the one I was telling you about uh yeah being you know if it's somebody like him you know I mean watching him every day his normal routine hit every step I mean no he keep a gun on you know I got to be at my time the weight I gotta think what's the best time to catch her you know when you're over at this house when he over there okay uh it's somebody gonna be there you know I got to win all these options you know about or play now I just don't play that you know and a couple people I don't talk to you know that no one you know but like you know he uh he's a swift cat now you know I don't know how he acted if somebody would draw that I know him because ain't nobody never tried that I know people know you know stole some of his stuff or something but but ain't nobody ever put a gun in his face and say yeah listen are you gonna die yeah so I would have been the first and you know I had hard enough to do it and I was gonna do it yeah and that's that's what you know when it came to him that's what was laying on my mind the possibilities run you know like that Dez kept saying he ain't gonna Buck he gonna run he probably take out running or something see you know I don't know how I would have react to me personally I probably would have shot yeah well he's probably more of a threat yeah but he also got more to lose Yeah by bugging you know you can lose your life then I know where your kids and your wives did you know we were finished breaking the house one time like instantly the next day that night y'all packed up all y'all stuff and moved so we did a lot of more research got a Tracker put it on your car that kind of looked like that tracker too but yeah and uh we put it on your car we followed it to every move wrote down all your destination where you stayed for a while and that's how we found that your new spot or your old lady said so that was an Ace in the Hole for us well when I finally get him I brought on Buck cause I got if I can't get you I'm going under 217 Amelia Avenue it's on you your call but like they said you know we probably would end up having to kill him anyway really yeah yeah that was already in the plan we're gonna kill him so I I okay after it happens after a lick do you do respond so after lick where you don't have to pull the trigger do you behave any differently than if you do have to pull a trigger yeah the next 24 hours are crucial in the next 24 hours um going home watching the news checking everything every time I hear a car driver I'm looking at the window you know I'm just nothing I guess you could say paragraph but cautious yeah and that's at the end of the day so just in case if I'm not slipped up like I did on this one you know in this case I slipped up left some uh accidentally grazed son anything you know I'm always the next 20 24 to 48 hours I'm alert okay I'm alert and listening for everything constantly looking at the new Google in there you know saying what they say following the tracks does it bother you what they say in the news it's like you know if they you know whatever I think I know the news ain't gonna put everything you know the news aren't going to put what Chef Tell them yeah in the chair I'm gonna try to deter from what really what they really know they're gonna put unless like something different like in this case with what you know they didn't have no suspect yeah but I also had an inside site because uh the stepdad worked there for about 10 years so he was telling dads everything okay telling me everything but they ain't gotten them they gonna go get a warrant for the camera when they got the camera but they ain't um they can't identify the dude my step daddy can't identify so I'm like okay I'm still coming down then uh he called me that sad I think and then he said uh they won all or down on Monday at nine o'clock not Sunday he told me that Sunday like what yeah I got some ones man I said don't worry about it bro they lock you up I got you bro I'm gonna come and get you bro yeah you know and I was just waiting on him because I didn't even take the truck I got up that morning Monday morning like eight by seven I went to Middleville but I took the call yeah and uh so I just came back is that where your ex is okay no okay I went down and had to pay a ticket that's right that's right I thought you said you stopped by to see an ax or something I stopped out of seeing a friend but she wouldn't know yes okay it's just some girl that we have my attention you know yeah I got you yeah yeah but I can't mess with it okay she had aid though but I liked it though I got you yeah helping her out cause she uh said she needed a new window for her car so I think I gave her what 200 okay went in the hospital man jumped in the truck rolled around for a while man I said man let me get this truck watch and I'm gonna go cook this thing I'm gonna put it in the shed the [ __ ] in the back of my house I'm gonna take everything out are you gonna push it all the way to the back give me some planks and drive the truck in the shed and just let it [ __ ] so that's what that's what my plan was to do I was just waiting on this account give me some more input but I was going to put the truck up anyway in the shed yeah for a couple of weeks and I was just gonna take my old lady to work you know grab a bath pick up keep the car what about does it bother you if people talk negatively about you in the news media yeah but yeah do you uh is it kind of a rush senior case in the news media two time before and I have been labeled uh danger you know back when I escaped and then they had me armed and dangers be aware you know they had me labor this great killer yeah I know so at that time though you know I was I was laughing I think I went through the courtroom shot a bird or something at the camera or something you know so is there a difference between the Charles Roland today the Charles Rowland for men a whole 720 different or what what what's the difference back then I could say I really I cared in a sense I care I care more then than I do now now I don't know I don't wanna die but if I can't get past the dead predator I'm content with that stop it but I'm on on them you know that's my mentality now you know I'm like you know even with my old lady I love her but I'm not in love with her daughter sir you know I just don't have love why do you think about this yes I'm just just my life you know you know I'm like honestly I can write a book about my life man yeah the [ __ ] that I'm gonna speed experience from streets all the way from when I was three I mean being bad like really being bad all the way for free it was your dad do you know your dad I know him but I don't know him you know he left me when I was two I guess you could say oh hell bro live with me I start getting in trouble with the law after my grandmother okay she like raised you pretty much she could have bounced I was reading a book in there I said yes the life of Tupac Shakur yeah I read in a book of how he raised and how he was about this this and then uh you know after he got older the message he was sending out it really touched me like right it really touched me yeah yeah he really did because it opened my eyes to a lot of things and I can relate to it because I was the same way like bounce and she once told me uh she went and told me uh I tried to kill you when I was pregnant with you because I didn't want to have you you know it's just like let that stick with you don't oh yeah it does it can't stick with me you know I I had wrote a rap she don't like it though you know but I had wrote a rat one time when I was in prison last time I let it hurt in another kind of testable I was trying to explain to it I think you know you won the wild like a man you know you gotta think of all the [ __ ] I've been doing my life bro you know like you know I've been to a lot well your upbringing has a big impact with you know into the adulthood you know what I mean and there's no doubt um like Korea hasn't been through a lot how tough was that it was it really went tough you know being honest with you know being honest with you you know improving them you know not bragging but you know I've ran like a whole prison like the whole camp and nothing moved you know is that hard to do I feel it's yeah no no I understand that yeah you know I it's about respect you know I gained a lot of respect at that prison you know and it was Jackie Rutledge there's one of them and then fill the state prison and that's another one that I kind of control you know because you know all the officers like them in you know I pretty much had pretty much said account was it hard to manipulate the prison guards toughest one would be the sweetest one he's got to know how to it's got to say the right thing all right they think it's the toughest one would be the sweetest one I don't want to walk around like they I write your ass up and all that yeah you just going through [ __ ] at the house somebody sit back and chop it up with them talk to them so they can tell them all their problems and we kick it and did that and that thing you know man they get invested in your story yeah invested in you invested in your store and you know you're giving them the sympathy side of it and that thing you know they man if we shut your wish I could help you out man I just need a cigarette heavy now in there to smoke and all right I'll bring a couple of apparently to nothing they know they bringing cans in yeah okay what do you mean tobacco okay yeah like some Rolling Papers yeah eighteen dollars a prison man about three thousand dollars is it real so what how will that happen to somebody who put the money like you give them tobacca after they put their family puts money on your books or something well right now I ain't everybody dealing with uh cash app and yeah money but not money yeah some people still do MoneyGram but everybody did them with cash out my cash out and uh the world so what about other so how how hard is it to deal with the other inmates because obviously they got to respect you and you've got to have the history or the reputation to be respected yeah and so especially man at your age or you're doing some time you're not going to get loyalty by force or intimidation you've got to get it by influence so what do you do to get that influence over now I'm not just talking about these young 90 baby kids in there you know what I mean they look at you and you know well I don't even know if you know they're they're kind of a different group but like if you got somebody that's that's how do you get the respect of other people who are respected in the streets it's uh how do I get respect in the chain gun yeah from other people that in Italian game respective yeah I mean because you to run to prison you got to have everybody you've got to have respect of everybody uh you know uh you know I was affiliated you or G yeah and you know the young cat they had running around now they was awesome you know nothing really wild stuff but you know follow what you mean and then me being the person I was sit back and talk to a lot of people used to come and ask me you know a lot of questions because I had you know did a little time so and then that time progress on you know I don't have to slap a few people and and I was having two or three boys with me you know not boys but two or three Partners yeah you know that that was rock equipment so if anything ever pop off you know and uh I'm a mediator meaning if something pop out I'm usually the one jump up like hey let me holla at you real quick smooth things out yeah you know so a lot of people start looking at that and you get respect like that like you you ain't always the first one like okay you got to be a leader yes yes you know it ain't always about the buff buff spot anyway man that ain't enough to get any other way I mean and then plus you know what my reputation that's the head cook you know and you know stood is going around saying good thing you know a lot of Officer saying good thing so you know you got Administration looking at you you know you know education you know they're like okay that's a stand-up guy that's a stand-up inmate so yeah I can go to them be like hey cap you know I need to call me back what's up my time you know they come from the captain and I don't know I need somebody to move man you know like like they said one of your boys or something I'm like one of my boy man he's going through some stuff down in the dorm and he need to be such and such spot man you know keep down the airway I know you don't like confrontation that you count so they are too late and may see that you know some people might look at it like this [ __ ] snitching but once again that all kind of respect you know I mean well around the camp you know you know they know not ain't no snitch man you know he just he didn't know how to he making moves yeah you know he said do what he do well that's that's pretty much you don't get things accomplished by being an [ __ ] no no that's in any area situation anything it's all about respect and I try to tell them new young boy when I was on the street and all that intimidating you know I had a homeboy in prison man in fact when I was in TC I ran the TC too when I was in the head we had a damn beautiful Georgia I'm the only cat from making it now I went there I was taking cigarettes phones all that from the Agway to the main crib and everybody was like this man doing this man I got my way you know is it harder to get stuff into prison no you know it's all about you know what you're doing like and at the when I was at the TC I was using the food you know the dude in the prison had the phone so they were calling me like look man I'm gonna send you 800 give me five pack of cigarettes on the phone a dollar so I haven't made seven hundred or something dollars so how do you get it in the facility oh I was getting the food that like if we got oatmeal or grits they'll always send an extra pan and we got to send it back so I don't wrap it up stuck it inside though oatmeal oatmeal a lot of grits or whatever extra I stuck it inside now I wrapped up tight as it can be small as it can be so when they bring it back and they take it back and when we go through the gate they put everything out a little they just see a whole pan of oatmeal have a while it loaded down with foam cigarettes dip so when they take it back to the back gate people at the back gate get it I got you they got extra stuff with the inmate in the kitchen I already know a time ago so he get it take it back in take it to the potent man get it they rinse it all off Senator don't call me back again hey appreciate it I got it it's a lot of moving Parts yeah it is it is you know sometimes you have to do it like that I finally have to do it like that I had me a man that was on working on the detail to drive the van I need to pay him yeah see ya no he was uh he was an inmate oh he would drive yeah they had the invade driving other inmates to work uh okay so you know I gave him the numbers too things stop at the store man get me a ten pound of cigarettes and uh keep a hundred and a fit or 200 bring me the rear I can walk around that TC three four thousand dollars on me man cash yeah what made you get in the fight because I had a little partner he locked up now I talked to him before I got locked up I had a little partner little white guy named Frank you know I think he got high on something synthetic um yeah I got high on some synthetic I don't know he just got flipped at the mob man ain't gone he said something I said man I love your homeboy and he said [ __ ] Your Love and I just still decided to take a shake of my head and he said something else and he picked the newspaper up out of my hand and like he was from the door that hit me or something so I jumped a little hit a bob he fell back against the wall and he charged me again and then I hit him two more times scene do you ever find an officer oh no I don't get fat enough I don't have a beef without school when I escaped yeah well that was more to get away wasn't it yeah that's how it was you know he came in he came and talked to him after he finally came back and asked me why you know like desperation man you know I was a king with cool too man but it didn't matter who it was yeah my mind was sick I was gonna get out of this kind of jail yeah I went straight to my old lady with a lot of these cases in Macon right now or anywhere do you think that there are other people such as yourself or do you think a lot of them are one-on-one issues or do you think there's a handful of people responsible for the majority of the a lot of these killing they're making now the young boy yeah stupid beef so what you tell me you only pick up a pistol though on a on a lick I think of the pistol on there for protection it's like a tactical thing for you yeah I just take it just in case so for example it's kind of like law enforcement essentially like if I'm planning to do a search warrant on for whatever say it's a drug war obviously we're going to have a lot of Firepower yeah I'll be right back with you okay [Music] we're working on it just trying to get them on the phone what have you they got it cold in here again yeah they do I deal with that in myself every day gave me a jacket that's one of those things why they have it so cold like I don't know why they must have this AC cranked up that's crazy though first you know they say Corona Liverpool so why would you keep it cool yeah give me a little space here sure wish I can get one I'm supposed to get out of the hole on the 16th and go to population I think oh yeah yeah that's all that's all I need get out there on that phone and uh get this book to read they try when they put put me in from the hot backs I was in which was in the hole so they moving next door to where I got a little bit more accent to the phone a little more movement yeah they try to put me in the cell with some dude and he was like no man so the office was like no he got to go in there so I'm saying I listening for a while like man yeah I think a lot of times they don't want nobody in the room dude yeah so you know you want your own sweet I finally asked the dude I brought you cool he said no I ain't good so I said well I ain't going in the office you know you know we gonna take care see y'all saying that then I get in here and we get to fight then what cause y'all wanna listen you know y'all care about it getting the move did right and this man sent him telling y'all he don't want me in here all right so you already know that's probably gonna be some problems yeah you might can prevent you know from the crazy man from the get-go so they end up moving me to another city you in there with somebody are you back now by myself you rather be by yourself or with somebody it don't matter to you remember I got some books I'm good yeah population on the 16th yeah probably you know somebody told me that they usually keep once you get out Superman they put you on the Max and then they from match they put you on right regular keep stepping down by the way you act yeah yeah but you know yeah no problem I don't even I'd rather talk to him talk to her we got another seat to them can y'all get boots off the store go well we can order books but somebody's from the street have to order from the publisher I got you but they got a little Library I don't never know when they come all right I just got through reading the lab book I had and that cost me about 11 in the sale wait you can ask them about though you know when one of the officers come around ask them about the library I don't I mean I don't know how they work over there yeah well you can you can ask them if it's you know if you can check out books from the library I went on they got a little kiosk thing that's the only time you have to go they say go to the Kia I tried to call him I gotta see how to get money from my account to my phone so I can call people I try to call them collect and the people who like this phone number can't accept collect call they find them yeah you might have to ask one of the officers when they come around how you can get that done yeah I need to change it might not have my conversation they should be able to tell you that without having to get on the yeah now I don't know what their rules are but you know I mean if I was the officer coming around you asked me how I did something you know ain't something illegal I mean I wouldn't have a problem with telling you so then again huh yeah I know that [ __ ] probably gone that girl probably not spent that [ __ ] because I know he left a little so yeah I pretty much probably gonna get that money but that's how much it was though 36 though that ain't the biggest hit though yeah and what you tell us something I believe yeah 96 and then 76 72 72. okay before it is 13 you know 11 yeah you know a few left you know a couple band here in there no nothing made that gun that was under your spare tire and your truck was that yours or you remember we had told you about we had found a gun under your spare tire in the back of your truck that day would come up some type of revolver I know a Revival but that wasn't in my truck that's where it was at and I ain't to say something I didn't throw it somebody had to throw that in there because that was not in my truck yeah yeah I kind of didn't feel so no that wasn't in my truck that thing was in the end but I'm like that Revival was in my house it was like it looked like it been sanded down or something I can't remember yeah it may have been yeah they shoot a small yeah yeah that was that was in my house so I'm like I don't know how the hell y'all think somebody got on my truck so one of them investigated uh them search people know did that [ __ ] trying to make it look like that and I had trying to implement that truck so bad yeah that [ __ ] was in my house that was on my that was on my nightstand because when y'all said y'all in front of it in the house I was like man my old lady you had to go because that that's what I ain't gonna lie to you I was trying to tell the boy that was watching the truck to go down there until the brother-in-law man get them boots out of there and get that gun off that nightstand but you know he's so doofy you want me call your brother what the [ __ ] my brother way up there in Atlanta [ __ ] what the [ __ ] you gonna do yeah phone number was whenever he was a life of during the time this happened during the time yeah yeah how'd you have him listed I got two dead I got d-e-g and then I got d-e-z-z this d-e-z-z is the one that I would we would probably number one right that's Wayne Air yeah the two Z's is Wayne here yeah both on the same but I think the one up top was the one he was it was his auntie phone right now what's his aunt's name um I don't know I think that was just her number that he was using when he was staying with her yeah I got you yeah and when she moved out that apartment he moved to a motel for a while what's this girlfriend's name the one he's Vietnam lives over in that now's house yeah I had no idea thank God yeah I had no idea he told my name y'all checked out the crystal thing the one now the crystal thing oh yeah that would be okay the crystals I mean the crisp crispy Kreme I think he would ate it there was token would be up on it yeah so there you go all right what's up that Krispy Kreme thing yeah we do um oh you want a cup of coffee didn't you yeah but I know let's get a song just anything anything yeah yeah I'll check down the creepy cream thing yeah yeah yeah well we're having to work with other folks you know you know what I mean so um yeah you know so one of one of my you know uh and just knock on the door you know I work a lot of Martyrs and I try to be as good as I can with it inside I do like to hear your perspective and thoughts on how you make your decisions and those sort of things when if you have how I I guess what I'm getting at is we got some Brewer yes okay okay good deal he said in sugar right yeah okay how does it feel do you do anything different you know kind of talk about like the day after you're checking Google news and stuff what about like a week after I know I'm in the clear I think it was on I didn't move on to the next is it hard with after that first one or two did it was it hard making that decision to like did it weigh on your mind like guilts or anything like that no well I'ma tell you the first two times I did it yeah okay because the Saturn the sat on I knew the person that would have bothered you yeah it did it did it did it bothered me because all right I just shoot you in I'll be going before you drop um so we've we've talked the DA's office okay um and I'm just going to shoot straight with you okay I'm not you know um net discount so it's too early for them to tell us 100 how they're going to pursue further with that now a lot of essentially what we're going to do is after we talk today you know we're going to have a conversation with them and tell them how forthcoming you've been with us and what you know our thoughts are on that um you know there's some things that they've got and honestly before they make a full decision on that they've got to have all the facts of the case and they know quite a bit but they're not here on the interviews and they haven't worked crime scene so um there's going to have to have to be a meeting um oh okay that came the white kid yeah yeah yeah yeah now so from what you're telling me you're saying if you if you can say that that they will not pursue the death penalty you will tell us about a total of eight other murders right yeah and then full facts 100 truth about those okay um and and and honestly I mean you know my end goal is to solve cases so if you're asking me what I would like to do I want cases solved okay I can't I can't say what the the you know I can't guarantee you anything I can't promise anything okay but what I can what I can tell you that I will do and what major long will do is be uh relate to them that I I truly uh you know here's the thing that I picked up on you um your big on respect and you you really seem to be a man of your word where if you're gonna say you're gonna do something you're gonna do it um not only are you respected but you're respectable does that make sense okay and so um but for us to do that we need to have some of these wrinkles iron out on the white case okay so what's on the on the money I want to make sure we get that iron out okay there's a black safe within the safe no those are the black seed black pad no that thing wasn't even that that was on the floor another black thing yeah that's when I had the money okay I picked the big one but it went in there but I'm gone okay so that's the truth about the gun there wasn't no good uh with that safe there's only guns in there yeah oh perfect okay but now this little black safe how big was it something like that all right nothing like an ice cooler like one another little okay red and white blue eyes cooler yeah yeah did you take it with you yeah okay um okay well it's probably going by now it's private time yeah so within that black safe was some envelopes yeah there was one big brown remember the whip had about 40 or 50 white envelopes okay and this is Sun by Marine all right so I guess he has some Properties or some people were paying him rent okay and and they had out in the individual envelopes and then he had uh like a a folder like a manila folder make sure yeah it was like one of them photo folders and it had uh with the ten thousand dollars in them okay was there anything on that envelope I just paid the ten thousand dollars in there that was it so total how much was in that safe it was like 30 like 36 now 36 000 yeah you gave how much to Dez I would have told him it was like 20. okay 24 25. so I get 811 000 260 dollars no and then uh I was like look it was like 24 25 I said I gave my old lady like two three which I did get her 250 2500 okay and then uh I was like uh so I'm explaining the rest with you and he like that cool he said [ __ ] I'm gonna quit now yeah I guess he ain't never had any more money I guess quit over eleven thousand dollars what you gonna do with eleven thousand dollars hey you talking about going to buy a car here you know instead of riding around in my truck and all that we're gonna get another car Advance back into the business yeah let's go by the process something different I mean okay I know he definitely had no money before I think he was on drugs to be honest what you think I'm smoking rocker nah probably snorting powder or something yeah you know he uh and then he can tell me about something like he was here and getting big old things the one in one house he was watching was the big girl that I would tell you yeah we supposed to win in his house okay he was working on this one house all the time so we're supposed to go in now but we didn't we couldn't have we didn't we didn't go in there so then the next day he told me hey I went in that high last night I'm like yeah you're like yeah man you know he just had some power and a bowl but I ain't messed with it and I was like man you a lot and you're like nah man I ain't met with it because I ain't want to know we've been in now but after that he never said nothing about going in the high now so y'all about the money so if you got it sold it or snorted it you got it yeah so you know and everybody would tell me like man I don't know why you [ __ ] with that [ __ ] man that [ __ ] Shady man and a lot of people you know got a bunch of laptops on the licks yeah I give them to him he'd take him to his cousin and he couldn't do whatever he do with them but I don't never see no money I don't never see the laptop no more oh I got you I saw you okay I gotcha now what did Dez do with his money you know well he's in jail right now so yeah like I said I guess you're buying honey buns and his mama did he say anything about getting a new cell phone yeah I got one yeah I'm the old one yeah like I said that d-e-z-z that's the number we always text on okay um and listen I get I I completely understand you holding this card back okay look up this this swag card okay I appreciate you being straight with me yeah I killed him I shot him okay I know I believe that yeah I tried to leave like I tried to leave yes hit it to my truck they pulled up on me and I'm like Whoa man I mean like man what the [ __ ] thank you you know I don't I'm like I don't know these folks no call the police so where did you where'd you have to shoot him at I'm exactly everything happened what I said it's just that I don't understand okay everything that happens it happened right there in the street yeah well my truck will fall down I told you they pulled up what about back there where uh the man the husband Mr White was placed oh no that's the way when I shot the second time when I shot the lady it Jam yeah I know it remember I said about that cheap gun jamb yeah so when I cocked it yeah the lie around fell out yeah so you shot her back there where Mr White was no I shot both of them in the street how did you ride the truck I didn't open the door I was using his foot to hit the gas in the break okay and then you uh moved them in the wood line yeah did you take anything off of them wallet anything like that yeah that's why I knew the fifteen hundred dollars okay where's the wallet at everything trash can that's why I like how was I stupid enough to leave that check in this trash can because I cut it up in the kitchen do it in the trash can in the kitchen took the bag out put it in the back of my truck okay and I mean and now with the check trying to explain to my old lady got me and Dad got to talking so the check came from the wallet yeah okay so when a man dead got to talk and I was like he was like uh how can you explain what you were doing now and I was like and that's when I came up with the store I was gonna do some work for him I said I got a blank check I feel a lot like he paid me oh I gotcha and then that's my old lady like man stop [ __ ] with that [ __ ] dead man don't do no dumb [ __ ] like that but they were like they'll like report the truck stroller I'm like man the 2021 man you're gonna steal no [ __ ] [ __ ] without no [ __ ] keys yeah so he was like well just say you had a spare key he like look I come and steal the truck tonight and then I'm gonna go dumpling somewhere and then you just telling somebody to throw the truck you didn't know and I like I said man listen to what you're saying I'm in this house somebody must throw that truck this [ __ ] happened Friday I don't report it to Sunday so what the [ __ ] they gonna say well you ain't been outside since Sunday since Friday so you got a Man convicted of armed robbery who has a truck match in the description of the suspect vehicle happened to have the truck stolen I mean you're not even listen to what you're saying there you want me I don't think he was thinking about is so so when Dez tells me it's just you and him that's the truth yeah okay nobody else so now you know like the week we recovered a projectile down there where he was found yeah I mean but no not just live around a bullet too now did you fire another round over there yeah would you go get it at somebody's house or it hurt was it in the house were y'all red or what yeah okay I think what would happen again she got a couple of years ago oh where were we staying at because we're staying in uh and uh and uh I had a townhouse on Ingleside he moved in with me but y'all like that by yourself so she went about a gun she used to keep it in the car and you know me driving her nephew driving across all the time so she started keeping it in the house you know you know when I knew that that's why I didn't exist oh yeah when we were talking remember he was he's talking about waiting in the wood lawn and the man stepped out and then before he got in his truck you know what I'm talking about the man stepped out before he got into trouble and before he left he said man I wish I would have just went up there and put a gun in his face that was my opportunity I missed my chance ultimate when he was on on the back yeah on the back porch on the back porch he didn't say nothing that's why he said that was my opportunity yeah yeah so you say you know you gave the gun to somebody but then that you didn't say that was our chance he said that was my chance so right is what I do but got a good perception you know what I mean so but you know like I said we you know I'm we you ain't gonna show all our all your cards and we don't show all of ours but um I do be appreciate you being straight with me um and I'll be honest with you I knew that eventually I felt like we'd get to this point but you know I know you ain't gonna just come out and tell it off the rip I wouldn't expect you to um so you you were walking down the road and you did stop check on you right yeah what did they say to you and I know you broke down and I'm like yeah and now that you know like I said when I was going to sell a lot of things like damn why didn't I just tell them they probably would have did drove while and I was like damn why didn't I think of that but I went back in one thing I was thinking I know he see his screen I know they see the camera pointed up and now you go you got this along with black guy walking up the street so I'm like he's gonna call the police police on the way told you a quick reaction so did you ever go back to your truck or were you inside the truck when you shot him no I well I like I said when I got back I went back to my truck all that really happened okay I went back to the truck like I was going to get in so okay so you got in you got out yeah went up like you're about to get back in and then okay and she went to screaming and I was like a lot of [ __ ] I got it right okay yeah did you shoot them from like the window or what you mean so like if he's in the driver's seat did you were you standing outside the window yeah I was sitting in the back seat on her behind her okay so you got back in the truck yeah okay and then you got out you shot her and did you get out on behind on the door behind the passenger seat right behind her okay right around and then shot her I saw a window down halfway up okay is that when that back glass shattered and the truck came so I act like I was talking to him so they passed on by and then I went right now you know trying to think think like [ __ ] I put them out now and get in the truck and take out but then I'm like dead wait I ain't got time to be riding with this man somebody come by so I just I'm gonna use his feet so I open the door up turn the wheel all the way put their feet on the gas okay the fingers on the break that's why I moved if he got the break put it on the gas so I went and jumped back in my truck and let the truck roll onto the back I rode onto the house in my truck so you went in the house first yeah okay and that's when I realized you know I broke the black women winning now realized he got this safe you know they had a dial and then they had the keys yeah they're looking around looking for the keys tried a couple of keys confirmed so went back up there jumped back in my truck bro back up though that's when I um seen them in the bushes so I bagged the truck back got the keys got that badly truck back I didn't let it sit there put it in Paul got the key I seen went back to the house in my truck again and they're still in the truck yeah get back to my house again or back to their house again tried to try the keys still no luck couldn't find the key so then I went back to the truck again jumped back in my truck went back up and that's what I thought damn cameras man I know that whole thing get my damn tag so that's when I come to truck sideways after I bagged it into Mine by mistake and I tried to Chuck around and pulled him I put him in the bushes and jumped in the truck drove their truck back to that okay is that when you loaded the guns and money up an air truck yeah that was in there for a while then so she's still in the truck yeah yeah she's still in the truck and I picked a lot like I seen a fried I tried all the keys and then I would die one turned because it wasn't a lot so I seen a files I got it man with a pan with them put them pull them twist them while I was playing with I would turn in the lock putting them tumblers in place yeah when they find a clip what the [ __ ] ing done I just knew it was going to be a Stacks and stacks of money because that was the nephew told yeah I mean that was the song I told idea I didn't keep a lot of money and stay so I opened that thing and saying all that [ __ ] like what the [ __ ] man until I took out a gun I had to say put them on the bed they're looking around like man it got to be another second hand somewhere it's got to be having a look over there up on it uh like a little table or something lift it up bam go out there I ain't even not wait for no key I just smile like I just took them how'd you get into it I slammed or at your house yeah did your girl you know do you know about all this with shavers she said she help you get in the safe yeah she laying in bed the whole time she know the plane to go hit the house yeah yeah and then I don't think she knew I told her I have some money for it because I think uh the cable bill would do five on the sun dollar and I could have went the pill I went to work yeah but you know that one and that I mean big money I'm not right well where's the where's the gun now I like to look where'd you throw it it's on the rocket Creek somewhere I'll be honest with y'all I can't run away did you take it apart or no I did take it apart he did take it apart yeah at your place yeah okay I got that part of my [ __ ] do you know we're out on Rocky fruit I say I threw the bits and pieces the smaller pieces the chain with all that was in bags and I threw that in the trash cans you know going to the different stores and as I as I was going down rocket Creek I just chopped that [ __ ] probably when I passed that church I don't know I can't remember what about uh are there any more guns other than the ones that we found or that you told us about oh no um it was eight rifles and two guns the 357 and then that little silver all right so that's all the guns that we're gonna say yeah that's it rifles so after you load it up in the white truck drive out right which way did you go I was back to my truck okay put it in your truck yeah and then what did you do anything I'm gonna get ready to take the truck back to the house but then I've seen that abandoned house okay so that's when that bad that drove up enough that I was gonna leave it and I was like no somebody see that easy so I rolled around to the back okay okay and then you had to walk back to get your truck yeah that crosstalk okay so did you was it parked closer to the road or park right there towards where Mr White was at Apollo plus to the road okay okay making pretty much in the same spot of the world that morning okay so when you drove them back there you left your truck where it's parked all the time so you never left your truck until you left the house there only in the San Antonio wait a minute so you don't Mr White I like that don't him that one I got in trouble you got in his truck yeah that's what I'm saying then you drove to the house well hurry and loaded up the guns came back put it in your truck don't her walk back to your truck and then left yeah so you got there in your truck and you left your truck but you didn't drive your truck over there too break into the house or anything I enjoyed my truck over the initiative to go through the gig okay and that's when you've been to the gator yeah okay so you that was after they were shot right you left them back there in the in the wood line where he was found yeah okay and then to say this is the Woodline the truck was facing this way a little line down there right here yeah the truck was facing this way your truck's up here yeah so you dump them you walk your truck tear through the gate see the safe need a key come back park it walk here yeah I go back I drive I don't know where the truck drive so how do you get from okay you drive get in this truck wrap up there no when I drive back up to get the keys I drive back up and Paul behind them okay open the door get the keys and everything okay and then jump back in my truck and go back to the house unlocked it yeah how to pick the lock but I didn't pick it then because I figured there was another key somewhere I thought I couldn't get in there okay I went back to the truck to check his pockets okay so that was okay so you went in your truck couldn't find the key had to come back yeah man I bet uh what was the man what was going through your mind through that whole ordeal after that shots rang out I hope I don't have to I hope nobody come because so if somebody would have come to check on you hey can I help you what's going on you know and I figure like they see two trucks they'll probably think we working yeah instead of just one truck out there they see two then they see somebody moving around okay they doing some work what made you wear the black brace because I knew I was gonna have to walk honestly I don't know what made me grab I just seen it I seen the back bridge when I was at the hospital I said let me take this okay so I just picked it up was it part of the the look you're wanting or did you think you might need it for that safe no I didn't I honestly didn't I just grabbed it like I said and then then um matter of fact it was in the truck I didn't even take it for that it was already in the truck okay so when I seen it and I was like I knew I got to walk yeah and I know that's a busy road [ __ ] trucks and [ __ ] yeah so I like I got to look the part okay so I know y'all find that vest in the in the bushes out there yeah yeah that I had that bathroom Okay so yeah I put my glass down and put my back brace on so I looked apart okay walking down I got you that's what uh that's that's that's why they're going okay but I didn't I didn't take the back brace for it for that like I said was already in the truck yeah and I have my crowbar in the truck that's what I used to go in the doors you know y'all probably seen it in the backseat on a black man okay that's when I used to pop the door I ain't know nobody all that and I'll tell you what one thing that's going on that I've been thought about and if I didn't want to push you on it um and I'm not asking you to go into details on this okay because I I right now we need all the facts on this case with the whites we'll talk with the D.A if you know if we can work out something with there's no death penalty on the table then we'll come back and and I'll I'll ask more questions about this you can just nod your head yes or no okay um and if you'd rather not just just I just want to make sure that that I'm thinking on the right track um does DB exist uh-huh but DBA today now DB and my uncle okay he died okay I just couldn't think of nobody at that time okay but uh I know who did but uh okay yeah I know okay and you don't have to you don't have to get in the details on it but you can just tell me without telling me what kind of team move that too you ain't got to elaborate but that that one was you wasn't it um okay none but I know I know who it is it's a machete where you said it was oh yeah okay yeah okay why why don't you why'd you make up DB okay nobody else that was wrong but why not just tell me who did no because I I didn't want to get him in trouble yeah I like you said you know I didn't want to just you go pick them up another case out I gotcha so I didn't want that I wanted to you know like hey guys glad to get into it but yeah like I said okay y'all know the truth about the wife now okay I appreciate you clearing up DB because honestly I've had a lot of folks doing a lot of work trying to figure out who that was and it's kind of the same thing with swag it wasn't really painted out with my uh wait a minute yeah Uncle he did okay yeah he died six to eight years old yeah hey did Davis have somebody else help him out what um with this with white Same by any other co-workers involved like I said I don't think you to tell me if you need to talk to the son and get information from the Sun okay and then you can talk to the daughter okay how you know he was like they hold family on left yeah so he was like what I was going to tell you about that like y'all said I believe in some meth head come out 150 something thousand dollars um you would I missed it like real talk I missed it yeah I told you exactly how much we didn't say that is six thousand dollars well that makes one more sense yeah but uh uh yeah he used to get his information from let's say the Sun and uh you know I need to talk to the daughter and that's how he found out about the funeral and all of that so that's when I was supposed to did when they went to the funeral but he couldn't never give me no direct information what would have happened if were if she was in the house would you just tied her up is that true the wife yeah because I was thinking when I was on the side I didn't know I was talking it did I said man I don't hear no moving it's not something like they're going to go in the hive man being that way I don't know if you can get in there I said but I don't know if she got the alarm set yeah so with the alarm set it's all about time and then you know I got to move out of five okay I said but if she ain't got that line set I can get in the door no matter yeah give me the money I'm gone you know and I'm gonna tell her like you know like hey look give me the money your nephew already told me you got it so okay let me get the money and go did you uh did you uh go by there like the days before yeah okay did y'all like pull in the driveway or anything I think one time we pulled it up to the front gate then we backed up but most of the time we just rolled around rolled up and down the road just to look that's far long x-ray points like okay how are we gonna get in we're going on this side but it's a neighbor and then you got a big old feel then we got all the woods so how can we get in so we were going right now and then you know one time he gonna drop me off are we gonna get somebody to drop us off yeah if he to win with me we're gonna get somebody to drop us off and they're going to drive off scoped it out for a couple days but we never did so first time I went in on that Friday was the first time I ever been over yeah man yeah now where'd you throw that safe away what trash can you put it in I put it in I don't know the name of these apartments um this girl I used to talk to a state order uh on Pine I don't know where Advance Auto listen when you go that side road them apartments right there okay it's like a big green dumpster or something yeah matter of fact when you go on the side of Advance Auto and you cross over into the apartment get tracking right there where I build it up you know but so you're probably laugh because that's what I don't think all right what you use to bust one in the back door that crowbar did y'all go get the Crowbar yeah yeah that crowbar okay but that one was harder but man because I kept on hitting it and hitting it and hitting it it's like bulletproof glass or something and then finally it's just the whole frame just kind of gave in yeah so and that's when I get pulled it kept on pulling it and I reached my hand and then unlocked what uh how so how long this whole process take you from the time the time I shot him yeah Oh Yeah from the time I shot him until the time I left probably 45 minutes okay yeah it's all right now let's say 45 minutes and your phone did die right yeah so I'm gonna say like 45 minutes of course and Dez brought this to your attention is that right yeah foreign because I met this my cousin introduced me to Dez last year now when you and Davis was riding up there just scooping that what was your riding in sometime in the truck you're true yeah sometimes I use the black car black car yeah well you know I rolled up there a couple times in his old lady and his baby mama car he go by himself yeah I died now when you was over there where we told you we found the live round well you said you ragged it why why'd you need to racket over there after that because uh that's when I realized that it had Junior I didn't realize it Jam when I shot like I said I only shot twice you know I win that overdrive so I didn't realize that they had a jam until I looked at night oh [ __ ] oh so you do that in case you had to use it again yes okay yeah that's exactly what I think it matter of fact what I did was when I realized that and I and I tried to pull the the spin round I don't know uh it it ejected a lying around so then I had to drop the clip out she didn't take the library so when you shot him the the spent round ejected like it was supposed to yeah then when you shot her that spin round would have been jammed into good he had a double feed itself yeah yeah yeah yeah whenever that cleared what'd you do with that spin around uh uh I don't know what I did with your product honestly it's probably on the ground somewhere else so you got it so over there there's gonna be a shell casing and a live round it's basically the live round the shell casing got James a gun you had to clear both yeah and then I got the clip out and then okay it might be in the truck I don't know okay I don't know that's when I wiped my wipe the bullet off put it back in the clip and then put it up what made what made you choose the weapon that you chose I didn't that's just the only one I had okay I don't want to have access to like I said I don't have plenty of guns but I sell them okay but I knew that one right that wasn't going nowhere because it was a moment okay and I never wanted to use that but I used it one time before okay I'm a murder yeah yeah so I was gonna get rid of her defensively anyway I just never told her until that time right man you need to report your gun stolen and she was like why I got somebody like what the [ __ ] okay well I'm surprised you never used a revolver I would because you know down you know yeah I don't never keep them every time I get them that's what everybody wants for their sole purpose you got some Revival man you know I always revolvers I ever got 380. I think I even had a police police Revival all the time back in the days but like I said I sold them things all of them Automotive guns I sold the song to one of my buddies and then I gave some to one of my partners he in prison another he uh he sold the rest of them for me and Lizella because I used to get pissed off at him before and I got him from him so he was like the dude I'm gonna say man yeah until it gets cold yeah and I was like well that's one of you Brooke you could come back to me you know but now I don't even care [ __ ] and one thing I'm curious about we found a door handle in the back of your truck that matches one that goes on their truck on the on the white the white F-150 a door handle yeah they door handles on their truck or did it come on one come off the back of it off the back of the truck or the back North the back door like the door handle where you grab and open you know like on the outside it came out the back yeah they're true because the only dog got messed up on there did the front door like I said that's when I had put it in reverse and put it foot on the gas and then it bad back and that's when they hit my truck but that was just the back door okay if it did come off I don't know I didn't know when they hit my truck and they finally stopped I put it back in drive and pushed it up and I picked up everything that was on the ground like the back of my light fixed and all that I picked all that [ __ ] up and put it back on put it back on the truck so that was part of I don't really know but I want to see how the back door you want something to snack on yeah let me asking this so you know obviously I've done a lot of in well not obviously but a lot of the interviews that I've done you know we don't work burglaries and property crimes and stuff with the GPS whatever it may be a political case or it's usually some type of homicide or something like that what what what what do you think from sitting in your perspective can I do to get somebody to tell me the truth yeah but they're going to say hi to the threats like if y'all would have came I mean y'all [ __ ] up you know I would have been like [ __ ] it do what you do yeah okay but like I said it's all about eventually you know it's all about respect it's all about how you talk to a person that's something anything in any form of life it's all about how you talk to a person it's all about how you talk we know you did and all this okay you know that's your job to prove it man you know like I say it's all about how you talk to him like when y'all was in that first day and you kept it's not being all that and I'm like okay all right I could see now he really that's all that okay so you know you know I see y'all in there so I'm just going and then okay what made you decide to talk with this a second time then I don't know about the land of myself because I I didn't I didn't have no feelings whatsoever after after y'all came in here and talked to me the first time when I get laid in there late enough I just got to thinking about it like it is like how they got me so fast because then the officer said we got the truck and that's what I do when I think I'm like well [ __ ] if y'all got the truck y'all would have came after her so how y'all come here for me and then you know talk about yourself a whole lot of [ __ ] was just going through my mind trying to put the pieces together like did like me just angry I was like a [ __ ] I'm as soon as I have to prison too but okay I'm talking about okay yeah as you know from the first time we talked I was sugar coating a lot of stuff really time oh yeah trying to get a feel of y'all as far as how much y'all knew yeah so is there any way you would have told us that first day yeah is there anything that we could have done different for you to tell us that first day yeah be ready yeah it is was our approach do you think that would have been successful with somebody else maybe now let's say you know we had an antibiot I talk at the right time yeah you get on time another you know like in my situation honestly y'all that's a good tactic but it ain't a good thing but y'all left me and I said no books no nothing nothing but my mind going crazy and then y'all won't give me no phone call for a couple days so I don't know what my old lady got going on I don't know what's what's on her mind which I already know I'm gonna go to prison forever but you know I was like okay I need you for a while I can't talk to her so with all that plus me saying [ __ ] dead snitch don't want him to get out easy so I'm like yeah so that's a good tactic if you leave somebody alone for a while with just they thought yeah if I did not want to call y'all I would have just rolled it up for a while okay just to see how things go but you know like I said I accept my faith I know I'm going to prison yeah I ain't mad at that I'm good with that I think that's a good thing I know that's crazy to say but at the mind frame I was at now y'all got more dead body though yeah yeah I know you would like I say my mind was on and that's what that's one thing I'm gonna tell my old lady too like you know because she's like you just you don't you you ain't the same you know I got back in the streets I'm a different breed than these little young [ __ ] out here now like bro y'all like interjection [ __ ] and getting money by any means in the grass you chew your mama your uncle your dad and the dog so won't nobody talk dedicate the dog be like that little bush bean man uh I don't just died I think he did this stuff he did when did he die where was you at so I was like so that was my mentality so that's why I said I know bodies were gonna pile up if I would have got away with this one I'm gonna do nothing go ahead and apply because you know like I said Maine was under Dorito yeah anything else I did other than that being with the main partner because I know that's why I was gonna net the most money how much you think you got off being I would have got some rags it all depends on why I call this hand that's cooking time and how much he was willing to give I never even went to this stream as far as I'm gonna kick his mama doe in Tahoe and be like look bring me 500 000 bro you know I was gonna get the black t-shirts together you think you think he'd really have that kind of cash 500. he got more than that really yeah he got that bread you get that break I haven't did too much research and homework on them he got that bread how's he does he pay cash for these houses I really can't say you know he he he kind of legit I guess he buy any hiding but at the same time you pushing keys and keys are dope you pushing keys and keys and pounds a week who's he taught him was he taught him some prominent folks yeah I didn't know here in Atlanta I know father I know father and like I said I put the GPS on the car so it's a loft in Atlanta what in downtown or what uh I thought I screenshotted it on my phone so okay I'll probably see it but yeah there's a loft up there you go to that's what he did emotionally you go to the laws are they like permanent places and a lot of college kids yeah police ain't really looking for the [ __ ] to go down there all right guys so he did he deal with the laws like nobody has lost all the time in Macon yeah same pay that boy got busted with them 70 pounds and six hundred thousand dollar cash out man right there that would have set me straight you may have called the police yeah what did Dez say when you told him you had killed whites yeah oh well you know you had to do that do and he like how about money with him so I told him he didn't care as long as he wanted how to do it yeah I I you know you know you know and I was like man you hook me up there man and didn't mean a burger licks I was like man hey don't be doing no lit they're breaking it harder I hate to do that [ __ ] when I was a teenager yeah they're dead all day true to eat you know like I say tell everybody yeah he showed me what a man asked which is that why we want to know their main house I don't want to know they trapped I want to know the main Highway they lay their head there that's what the money is gonna be that's where the money gonna be so I'm watching a couple days see they movement where they go and I know where to get them out I know where to get them but most folks probably aren't as uh thoughtful as you with your target selection of what I mean like I said these young boys now they just they come in packs so I don't think they see his numbers it's full of us we running over these guns ain't nobody in the book you know I like to do my stuff by myself that's why I'm pissed off at myself for slipping with this camera man I'm like damn I don't know why I've been thinking oh that camera gotcha yeah because I'm like I've seen these two cameras I've seen these cameras up front when you knew there's cameras there yeah but I didn't I'm like if he didn't have no cameras in the back on the outside got these cameras on the outside up there so I was like if he didn't have no camera on the back why would he ever come on and I wasn't thinking like that like I said and that's when I did one on the back porch guy he ain't got no camera on this side no I guess you know I don't know I don't know why but I'm like you ain't got no camera on this side but I see these two count so I'm like hmm ain't nothing right there by the back though another one I walked over out there having to look up yeah and I was thinking like ain't no way I can down if it was just one of them cameras where you just audit online and set it up that would have been good yeah because then that would have just been hooked up to a Wi-Fi I could have deleted them but I knew that was hooked up to a system okay so when they'll get Ryan that's why I didn't waste my time trying to delete them like I said what uh [Music] what could have What could is there something that would have gotten you to talk on any of these crimes before today or before you know you've been interviewed on other cases before yeah have you almost told on yourself could it could have a could have uh detective or anybody gone about it a different way that have been more successful and in the sense that you would have made some disclosures could we have done anything is there is from what you're saying there's nothing we could have done to get you to tell us the truth that first day it doesn't sound like except just not piss you off too much yeah when nothing that's another cases like I said I've not been questioning about two other murder yeah you know uh my mind frame at that time was get your bed 12. yeah like I said I don't give a [ __ ] if you catch me right now with the pistol yeah but if it wasn't me were you comfortable sitting in the chair that first day were you nervous the only thing I was nervous about it like and I wasn't even not really nervous I was just anticipating them okay to get jumped I would anticipate you know I was just bracing myself like [ __ ] I just kidding these two white people man I'm dying here that time I said I know they're gonna jump on them so just anticipating this Friday break a rib or something yeah that's what I would expect oh you thought like we were gonna hurt you not necessarily just y'all don't just saying period That's what I was anticipating uh okay I got caught right yeah they're gonna beat my ass I know they I know somebody's gonna beat my ass [ __ ] nobody laid their hand on you now I was like okay all right yeah we ain't gonna do that yeah I was just like but then I remember then I got to think I'm like okay they might not do a tip because this might be a high profile case so they don't want to go to the courtroom I'll beat up because that's what happened when uh that's what happened when I escaped and I hit the police they wanted to whip my ass and I kind of did they told me but the major at that time told him don't do it because he gonna be on the news it's a high profile okay but yeah they would they work even off the track so I'm gonna he said I know I'm able to do this but I got to it he tried to shrink on me but you know I moved and he hit my shoulder and I knew this I was on the street valve I said bro when I get out of there I'm gonna kill this son of a [ __ ] but I ain't never seen him again would you killed him if you saw him today no I'd be today though yeah he just saw him at the grocery store or what are you now yeah I know it would have been a different store yeah he'd have been like oh what's up man you found a lot I probably would lock me up but AccuWeather can't say that I really can't say that Kyle my mind was so on others here yeah if I would have seen him I'd probably would have customized yeah shot him a bird because he would have been like oh [ __ ] what's up man like [ __ ] you try to swing on me [ __ ] okay you know and I probably was just left it at that but he would have been fresh in my mind again I gotcha before that no I can't really you ever thought about hurting any other officers honorable I know a lot of people say they don't [ __ ] with the police man y'all I'm just saying yeah yeah against y'all would you would you uh not so much as a grudge would you hit would you seek a police house for a Target yeah or if you knew they were if a police officer lived in his house would you avoid that house going up uh because it was a Target over there was a Target over there and the police stayed across the street and uh I used to see the police car and all the time I could have much thought coming up and down that street a lot not watching that police but I see when his car be down he don't want his car don't you know like I wonder if I hit that code that might be a crooked cop say like I got a lot of money in there I get paid under the table that's right because that's a nice thing how do they staying and they stay up on the hill got a truck by three cars and I said you know I didn't have a pursued it because I never started watching them like seeing what they you know like I said I just used to think that like I bet you that they got a bunch of God in there probably got a bunch of cash but like I said I was older for another Target I know this target I know they had a bunch of cash in there yeah yeah like 400 000. I don't know what about have you ever you know you're not this type but you know there's like sexually motivated killers I mean they were child blasters but a lot of folk you know whatever it may be with like prostitutes or they their goal may be to rape a woman and kill her if you ever come across any of those types in prison or in in the street let's follow up to my people that just robbed the rape yeah just serial offenders if I did I didn't know they just want to bust a nut and then yeah you're exactly right it's five thing you know I mean 100 right yeah how do you get those folks man this day and days man it's hard to know predator because man credit to be the dog head straight on yeah and then the main Predator man so it's hard to pick a credit out you know you look at the stereotypes going to church and everything he's exactly right foreign how you doing sir yeah praise God yeah I mean you're 100 correct now how do you know that is that intuitive or is that from being in prison and knowing some of these kind of people yeah definitely no I need people you know talking to these some of these people and like I say just me being in the streets man foreign I most of them in the church most of them in the church would be a second I didn't pray and then go rape somebody and go right back to work tomorrow like ain't nothing happen do you ever see any of those type of people on the streets Bond dope or buying women or anything like that I already did a dope dealer I know you don't do it but you know who's selling and you will know if somebody's over there buying a neon I mean I say to people that I know people that I was watching you know they high-end people they deal with keys and yeah and so on they ain't going to deal with the pills the people they said to are the next level people kind of mid-level yeah the one that they let me get five pounds so then they got their workers yeah you know none of the people I was watching well as would you still be willing to sit down and talk when Miranda doesn't apply it ain't nothing incriminating it's just me and you talking so you can I can maybe yeah I'm Gonna Get You Inside on stuff yeah okay yeah I kind of like talking to you I'm comfortable with y'all I hate to say that I know that's crazy to say that y'all what makes you comfortable I this you know like I said the other day after I talked to my mom and she'd tell me about the house and I got to thinking about something that was said last time and I was like no folks ain't even gonna talk to this yet so they're coming over here now let me ask you a question you know like real talk because I thought about that when y'all brought that tie thing up like by the rims did supposed to Minnesota then they told y'all I don't know Murder right now man he probably did I got to think I like put the time what the [ __ ] the rim got to do a lot because I sold some tires or something that's what I got to think of like so they're probably like told them [ __ ] he probably just told them that we don't [ __ ] with each other no more so he didn't know me and I was like damn so that's what I got to think I like working for them to play the [ __ ] out what you mean I don't like being a lie to them they got me to tell her I got me thinking dead I told them [ __ ] and was it without thinking of myself one day and I was like they don't think I told me this [ __ ] brought these tires up because then nobody know nothing about the time but me and Dad I was like so I [ __ ] they know about the time I was like Dad probably did say something but then I got to thinking like also it is I mean obviously I can't I'm not going to tell you so just like I'm not going to tell you everything like if I'm sitting down with death I ain't gonna tell them oh yeah what you telling us and I ain't gonna tell you what Dez is told has told major long enough now and I wouldn't say any of us trying to play you um but you may have thought some things in your mind that work all the way there but I mean obviously I knew who I was dealing with when I stepped into the room you know what I mean um so some things that you're assuming maybe maybe true some of them are probably not true you know I kind of in life in general things are usually not as bad as people think they are but they're usually not as good as people think they are it's usually somewhere in the middle so um but it's all good it's all good now I don't told y'all but uh you know uh he but here here's at the end of the day Mr Roland we knew whenever we sat down the room would you that you you know you would have had to have known about the whites this wouldn't know random act in the sense that you just whoever did this pick just randomly picked the house you know what I'm saying we know that didn't happen I was getting ready to come and tell y'all the other day because I you know out there I said next time they come and get me you know like you know um and our job is and I think I said to stay warm or early on it's just the truth it ain't I don't want you to tell me anything that you didn't do but I don't want you to lie to me either um but now I also understand that that you well you're an old school guy you ain't gonna put all the cars on the table at the gate and major long and I talked and we said you know we we knew that we're looking hard into swag and it just wasn't coming up and I said you know we both were just discussing I said well uh he'll tell us when he's ready to tell us ain't nothing we're gonna be able to do to force you to tell us you two you two seasoned you know there ain't no trick in the end of telling us something either you're ready to sit down and talk about it or you're not and so we had cards in our pocket you had cards in your pocket as time goes on Boom you know he and I had a conversation with Friday afternoon this past Friday afternoon and we both come through there's no swag Mr Roland when he's ready he'll come straight with us because he knows we've been straight with you and I think that's why you're you're comfortable with us is because we hadn't got you in here we hadn't done a bunch we hadn't lied to you and all of that stuff that you see sometime we ain't done none of that so I think that's what makes you comfortable with us because we 've we've been straight with you and you know we've told you what we could tell you so I think that's what makes you comfortable with us you know we hadn't got you in here we hadn't screamed that you hadn't cussed at you we hadn't done any of that so what you thinking all right man I'm just I wish I could do government now with the other cases yep once I do tell y'all I do you know after y'all go talk to the D.A since I admitted the white kid and we told you we were going to do that we're going to do that so now once I meet the other cases do I got to go to court on them cases meaning why can't I just y'all go ahead and convict me on the white cases and the other cases to come and give me my time for it yeah I mean I'll tell you what I'll do um I'll call the D.A and bid and just say Hey look um we've got a guy that it's possibly going to clear up how many you're making eight seven so eight total including the one you were charged with you oh I'm trying that too late okay yeah that nine together the two yeah folks bye yeah so it wasn't allow them these two that's three and everything that's amazing and so how many is it making total nine six six okay six okay six seven eight nine yeah one another six and making and then each okay and that six includes the one that we've already talked about some that you were charged with twenty twenty years ago yeah yeah okay so five five total okay five plus that one yeah okay so anyway uh but I can talk to her about that yeah I don't think that would be a problem I mean I've got a number I'll give her a call I mean you know but but now with that when you tell us stuff we're gonna have to you know you know collaborate it and you know Bibb County would have to take charges and they're going to want to talk to you and all that but now that happens it are you willing to talk to them or you want major long and I to be the ones you deal with or what's up with that all right but but ain't all y'all together oh y'all for that in this way yeah well I mean I'm gbi making so you can talk to me about makeup uh you know so that's what I'm saying you know I guess keep it like this yeah I know okay that's what I'm saying I don't want to send somebody down here to eat them uh get along with piss you off or mess I don't know no they can't keep me off I'm good no you know like I said I'm good I'm good did I piss you off on that first day I don't even matter I wouldn't even matter I don't think that kind of like I got up under my skin like I say put me in a pink jumpsuit too if I did stuff like that that's what I was into so I went mad I wasn't even mad I got caught and you know we don't even have those kind of thoughts he has worked a lot of kids together we don't even have those kind of thoughts good come back huh I don't care I didn't get that aggressive with you though but like I said you were twitching and shaking and I didn't know what to expect yeah well we were tired too now man hey I say this you uh you kept us up for a while he was talking about no sleep but all right so I like to enter our conversations with the game plan and so this is what I'm gonna do uh major long and I will reach out to the DA's office at some point have a conversation with them or meeting explaining everything they got you know that that you've told us and you beat up front about about what we discussed today I'll reach out to the bib D.A okay and kind of give her a heads up and talk to her about that um and once we find out either way from the DA's office um I'll tell you okay if I say hey Charles man they're going after death penalty I'll be I'll man up look at you and tell you however I wanna I wanna talk about these other cases okay so if they say it's off the table then what I'll do is how we need to work it out they can come here and talk to you put them on a speakerphone whatever um uh I will arrange that to happen Okay but the only thing I'm gonna ask you to do Charles is just I'm gonna make sure I got your word on this if we can make it work where they don't pursue the death penalty and you get that guarantee from them were we still good that you would tell us everything about the other murders that you've convicted that you've committed that's about my mama's life you want to refill the coffee along you got anything else you can think of do you think if you roll back up Rocky Creek you can recognize where you threw out those parts or yeah I could yeah well yeah I know where to go on that but I'm gonna be honest with you it'll incriminate me on the other one I told you they used it on another murder yeah so that's why I don't want to give to you just yet to have to tell you well here's the deal with this and and with the other murder we're gonna be able to link those two together anyway so we'd like to have to go and just get off the street you know because there were no Shield casing that the other murder okay okay I made sure okay they ain't got no kiss here casing ain't got nothing but that was in the in the prison so can we find it the Killer yeah once I tell you I wear that it's almost it's up somewhere or is it where somebody could just go along and grab it now I'm saying you know like now it's off the road and don't know about it if somebody go down I don't know but I seriously doubt it so it's nine times tennis theater they still though but uh that's the only thing I told you where I was at because I know to make it to another murder okay that's why I ain't told you that way to be honest with you okay uh okay and one other thing and he may have hated Logan may have covered it which the guns that we found at your mom's house were those all the guns that was in the in the safe yeah eight rifles all right so that is all the guns so there's not any floating around on the street Dez didn't have any guns no he's supposed to got that black one or something because nothing I don't know what it is okay all right you got anything else major no I think I think I know he's getting around lunch time you want I don't know if we got anything in there like back crackers or anything yeah okay y'all ain't gonna go harassing my old lady by the 2500 man I mean at some point we may have to talk to her about it but we ain't gonna go today and we're gonna go over wrestling I want to I want us to stay talking to to you honestly yeah okay I mean here's the thing did she lied to us yeah you know it's about no one and about everything I mean we only had to talk to her so she she's looking out for you yeah but you know I try to keep her out of my business my business away from her because I didn't want to bring no trouble to her though well let's do this Dior before you go do you want to call your mom are you gonna wait yeah well I'm glad to talk to a man in front of y'all so you know and then I can go and tell her what I need to tell her and that'll be out of the way I'll get that confirmation from the D.A okay then we go ahead and let's go ahead and let them call them yeah so okay you got anything else for us is there anything else when you clear up before we talk to the DA's office all right we'll go in there and you can help with them hey you want to be working here Mr Roland you you want a donut yeah I'm surprised huh I'm sure you will see if it's here foreign [Music] yeah hello hey what's up hey you calling me now [Applause] huh you calling me straight out now huh I had set up through that law account oh yeah well uh that'll be uh that'll be when I get back to the to the kind of jail I'm I'm at the I'm at the office now talking to him oh oh okay if you see some stuff on the news now just uh hey just know yourself gonna come on news there's a possibility I want I don't want you to hear from me first you know uh I've been a bad boy you have yeah yeah you know what uh it's real bad real bad I come out in the last four years really yeah I probably I probably know I'm probably not off by eight nine people no yeah oh yeah yeah oh my Lord no oh my God oh you've been so calm bro yeah I know um okay so I just I just I just want you to hear from me before okay okay from you take it off [Applause] you gonna call your brother yeah honestly I uh last night when I tried to call y'all told me you told me he missed the call I was gonna I was gonna put both of y'all on speakerphone last night and tell y'all you know oh no oh well I don't know what to say babe I'm I'm blown away I already know I know and I like I said you know I've been talking to the to the GB item and I don't like I didn't want to talk to my mom first and tell her before I tell you all anything and they get all over the news and yeah oh my God so I just want you to hear from me for a year I've been a bad boy okay now there ain't nothing I can say if you know you've been bad then ain't nothing I can say oh uh okay so are you are you are you repenting are you are you are you uh are you thinking about uh are you feeling you know uh regret are you feeling do you feel anything I'm gonna stop about honestly other than hurting us yeah yeah that that's the main thing and then then at the same time you know I'm like I don't you know it's it's not that I'm I'm send him beat myself up about it but I just rather clear the Airways yeah and you know suffer whatever happened you know I'm like okay you know okay I'm just hold on I'm hoping I don't get a bill tonight I'm gonna see it and I'm I'm uh it's just gonna be hard to believe that I I didn't see it through it to you in you you know but I don't understand nobody can hear you I love you I love you too and the only thing I can do is say I'll pray for you and okay I'm gonna be all right I'm gonna be all right you know I'm gonna be all right I know you're gonna be all right Charles Road it's gonna be all right now what I tell you about them yeah you're gonna be okay yeah you're gonna be okay okay and uh I don't know how bad is you're working but you told me last night to tell you that uh my phone is working because I'm stay up on either phone and you can and you can get through to it but I set up your account Louisiana told TJ this morning to go head on and set it up so you can call us and talk to us all right appreciate it and I'll just wait to hear you hear what you want to tell me from the news [Music] [Applause] you know this is my baby yeah that's mine I just had lost to the left yeah I see oh you know who I'm thinking about huh who what did him too my friend your friend your friend oh oh yeah yeah it was yeah okay yeah yeah uh I'm glad you ain't called No Name I'm gonna tell them about it though I'm glad you ain't calling the name oh my God I'm gonna tell him about it okay all right really eight or nine really but I'm just oh my God my whole inside just shaking makes yeah it's gonna be anything I can do no not at this moment I'm just I'm just trying to work something out with them well you know I can just do the remaining of my days in prison instead of dying but if it happened okay [Music] you know I'm here if anything I can do or something for you I'll say yeah I'm here I can all I know is you'd have been the best song that I could think about you know yeah just been there for and I miss you you know I miss all them times I could call you to do something for me yeah I missed it and I miss you I think about that too like man I better be able to fixing my mom put yo and then me gave out of uh hug cold wind crank yesterday and she called big ass she come on I miss my nephews he'd have been right here yeah yeah just a little small things yeah a little bit of things you know you got bigger things to worry about and I'm gonna call your brother I tell them I call him tonight okay all right and I love you baby [Music] oh you want to call him your brother no I'm gonna call my old lady okay what time is uh 12 54 actually at home what's up mate yeah three three five no my bad we're just gonna start over three yeah that's it 335 my brand three three five yeah eight zero seven two please leave your message for four seven eight three three five eight zero seven two sorry mailbox is full to send an SMS eight one two three three four four [Music] yeah what's up man what's going on with you man chilly man what's up y'all yeah man I'm holding in the road man we're bad [Music] what's up nah nah they down here I'm just talking to them and asking me of course oh so they let me use the phone [Music] hey hey babe what's up maybe you're okay yeah I'm all right I'm all right I'm all right who did you get my message you had messaged me back I ain't looked at it yet you know I I only get like 30 minutes out at a time so I had to check it when I go get back out again but yeah every time I you know if I can't call I just message you and then we just talk like that until like an issues I miss you too like more than you know and I I was thinking like damn I guess it's true they say man you never know how much you'll miss somebody until until they're gone and I'm like man I got so caught up in the streets man I just forgot what I had you all right no you've been going to work okay they cancel the trip yeah I won I thought you was in Texas when I talked to my mom I told her he was in Texas they said my boss feeling well I'm thinking I'll go take a cover test today anyone feeling good my body's soul my throat so oh man sure ain't got it I've been home though every day I won't be waiting on you to come you know I know listen listen listen that's what I'm gonna tell you that I was going to write it because I went to the store paper pin or nothing like I sent you 200 yeah I know I I got it I eventually because the lieutenant went on there and showed me and then I went to the store they both bring it tomorrow so I was gonna write let me know whenever you need something let me know I believe and I I got I I want to talk to you like real talk man you know and no no disrespect y'all in there you know but yeah I want to talk to you and um we're gonna talk tonight when I call and uh in the long run so I'm gonna pretty much like I'm gonna tell you something I'm gonna tell you something and it's gonna help you out it's gonna hit you out so I'm gonna talk to you about it later on and I know y'all gonna record the conversation anyway so but uh I'm I'm gonna tell you something it's gonna help you out it's gonna have to get through this but yeah no like I just told my mom I'm uh I've been a bad boy yeah I've been a real bad boy so I'm all you probably gonna see a lot of [ __ ] on the news too just like I just told my mom because I'm gonna go ahead and fetch up to a couple more other things than I did so you're probably gonna probably gonna see a lot of [ __ ] on the news well you ain't gonna see it just yet because I ain't confessed to it yet but it's a couple more bodies that I got I'm gonna tell them about oh my [ __ ] God baby I know I know I know I've been a bad boy you know I know same thing my mom just said oh my God these photos what's up [Music] it's gonna be all right baby it's gonna be all right you know I got myself into this you know I'm like I'm just you know I don't really know what to say right now I didn't mind you know I think uh to y'all know with the rent the dino you got a money order you gonna drop it in the thing you know you know where to take it that right but then real time probably I seen it I had a piece of paper so I went about the [ __ ] um call call Hometown capital or either just go to the place we got it from and just just explain to them like look you know my old man got locked up he was the one panic so I'm gonna take over the Pavements you know oh you can let him get it back however you want to do that no I'm not okay well then just just go without to them people you've got all that stuff in there yeah I know that what I was thinking too I like if they do let them get it back how they gonna like I said I thought you was in Texas but I thought you was in texting I was like the folk probably gonna try to come and get the [ __ ] or something because she don't know how to pay it God I didn't get attention I didn't get a chance to pay it because I left the money on the dresser the the little 300 something dollars that was on the dress in the 20s yeah that would have been paying for the shed but I left it on my nightstand when when um the folk came so I don't know if they put it in their pocket or what they did with it but it was only trying to call them yeah call The Shed people oh like I said I go down there and talk to the man himself and explain to him that I got locked up and you need the number to the people that you're gonna take over the paper I've seen Hometown capital oh yeah but that's it I don't know about heart I think it's a four digit number eight seven five one or something it's a four digit number but uh yo your card over here I was gonna take your mind out your card and pay the [ __ ] with it yeah you can do that but I don't know nothing I don't know no information baby I don't know nothing just like I said call home time Capital they'll tell you and you know you know you still got the food stamp card so what about your um child card yeah that's what I'm talking about my time cards yeah you got my time card it money on me what's your PIN number is uh uh 10 29 my brother birthday oh man these folks oh to my TJ huh yeah they make me sick what's going on what would they do wait 99 everywhere [Music] well they as you know everything in their house hour Ain't nobody got nothing in there I don't think Terrence got in there that one TV put them out of there will be by myself and I don't want to be by myself don't you live with me they ain't came back over I would wait on them and come back over here they came back over here oh they probably gonna come and talk to you but they ain't gave you the truck back yet know and what happened to your car I still got it I'm talking about the other one I don't know I I think did y'all get that car oh the only thing we got your truck yeah I know I'm talking about the one with a gun was in because my mom said after they got it done a couple days later somebody came and got the car so have you called to call people you don't think they came together I don't know I ain't even called them that's what I got to thinking too like I don't know if you were behind on payments or something I get it anyway all right all right all right all right they would uh I don't know when they're gonna get your truck back but they don't get back to you after they go through it with a five two cone yeah okay whatever I'm gonna go today I don't know if I'm gonna go I'm like I said I'll still feel kind of see I got a little cold my throat kind of itchy I love last night we're about 12 30. came home and got in the bed I'm sweating now like if I got up yet but um I think that with a machine cause I don't feel too good I had to kind of aching a little bit okay all right I'm trying to get out of here I just want to call and talk to you because I ain't heard your voice and I'm gonna call you tonight yeah like I said I miss you too babe like more than you know I just think all the stupid things I was doing getting caught up in the streets and I could have been spending that time with you baby and pampering you [Music] [Applause] um that's all I be thinking about like damn man chasing that easy money I could have got me a 95 and suck my black dad down I told you that I know that's all you kept telling me they just get a job and we can work with me here you know but me trying to get that fast money yeah you gonna call me yeah I'm gonna call you tonight I'm gonna call you tonight okay [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] it don't matter I got you I got you I'm so glad to hear your boy though I'm good you know I can go I can go lay in the city right now not wreck my brain go that's all I've been thinking about like man ain't heard her voice I need to talk to him everyone here I've been listening to your message quit missing oh when you call me and he left me a message like we're going our way after the phone oh yeah okay I'm gonna try to call you like four or five times it goes straight away okay yeah I think what I've been listening to yeah I want you to know um [Music] feel sick don't go in just stay at High that's what I said I'm sweating down um or something all right how the dog doing outside now I think we left them outside in the rain last night when I had when they bought him some of that dog food they're beautiful you come my way come on yeah don't worry I'm gonna go ahead and laugh I'm good I feel good and I'm right I will but I love you too baby all right that's good feel good to the heart yeah yeah man I'm all right I'm right man that's that's definitely good man you don't tell where that money went um okay and just whatever you said no disrespect I said that I need to tell her something I didn't want y'all to think that I was gonna hold some back now like yeah okay okay I was thinking you would oh no okay it ain't nothing like that yeah thank you all right so I'll get with you my baby thank you in the meantime and what I'll do some of these making guys Houston County foreign foreign foreign