I am a private individual. I'm not a corporation. And I'm going to start placing leans on your property. Let's see how you like that. See, that's what this is for the boil down to. Cuz then when you can't explain to your girlfriend, wife, or your children why is he not taking our property? Because you didn't uphold or follow the oath that you took as an officer. All because you want to try to act like you're something that you're not. You're not a police officer. You're a peace officer. learn who you are and learn who you're dealing with when you're dealing with citizens, private citizens. And since you want to go there, and I know this is being recorded cuz I guess the copy of that, you're dealing with a sovereign citizen. in Battle Creek from Dickman and Phelps. On December 30th, 2024, an officer was driving when he spotted this Cadillac Escalade that he knew belonged to a local sovereign citizen that had given him trouble in the past. So, he immediately spun around, got up behind him, and noticed that he had a fake license plate on his car that said private. So, we immediately lit him up to pull him over. I think they got it. They got it. Going in at TJ's party store. It's going to be a sovereign citizen fleet. I'll take another police. What's up, Fields? Hi, sir. How are you? I'm all right. And yourself? I'm good. It's still the same situation. Okay. Hey. Do you know why I stopped you? No, I don't. Okay. It's cuz of your license plate. Uh-huh. Wait. Do what is that, if you don't mind me asking? It's the plate that I put on here. Let it be known that I'm a private entity. This is a private vehicle, not an automobile, and I'm not operating in commerce. Okay. Yeah. Do you have your driver's license on you? Yes, I do. Okay. Do we have insurance on the vehicle yet? I just told you it's the same situation. I don't do I'm I'm Sir, sir, I talked to a lot of people and so I don't quite I mean I remember your face. I don't really remember your name or anything like that. So, do you have a driver's license on you? I have one, but I don't carry it no more cuz I'm not required to have it. Okay, then can I have you step out of the vehicle, please? Yep. Thanks. What am I stepping out of my vehicle for? So, in the state So, I know you feel the way that you feel, right? Now, I'm not here to debate that with you right now, but in the state of Michigan, you're required to carry your driver's license on your person while you're driving. If not, it is a misdemeanor. It is called no ops on person. Okay? So, I'm going to have you step out of the vehicle, please. And again, that does not explain why I'm stepping out of my vehicle. Yes, it does. Cuz I am going to detain you in a pair of handcuffs. So, I'm going to ask you nicely one more time to please step out of the vehicle. So, because I don't have my Maybe I should let you detain me and then sue you for false arrest because you you cannot detain. Okay. You cannot put handcuffs on me because I don't have a license. Something that I just went through this with you with. Okay. Oh, matter of fact, you do have it on there. Okay. Awesome. That is all I need to know. But you know what? I I do want to be detained because we had this conversation before that driver license. So now I have to detain you for so insurance and place is not a requirement. I have not committed a crime. So, you had no reason to pull me over and I hope your camera is Yes, sir. It is. Okay. I I'm going to need a copy of that, too. Yes, sir. All right. All right. You may you please sit back in the vehicle now. Okay. But you just matter of fact, let me call me call my attorney cuz you actually now that you're out of the vehicle, I'm going to have you stay out and we're going to go to the front of my car. Okay. For what? Cuz if you conduct an illegal search and seizure, I'm not searching nothing. Okay. So, why am I why am I stepping to the back of my vehicle? So, you're doing a whole lot of things that's unconstitutional and against the law. Okay. So, while you have me step out of my vehicle. Okay. Now, we're going to go this way, please. Okay. Let's go. All right. Thank you. All right. I'm going to have you put I'm going to make sure you don't got nothing on you. Okay. So, now I'm going to have you sit right here, please. Thank you. Mhm. All right. And so just to be clear, you still do not have insurance on the vehicle? No, I don't. Okay. All right. You said you had me step back here for what? I have you step out of my vehicle for what? So, at first you told me that you did not have a driver's license on you, right? Which is a misdemeanor. And that's a crime for you to have you step out of my vehicle. I committed a crime for you to pull me over. Correct. Your plate. And that's a crime. Correct. It is a civil the civil fraction. You did have a vehicle. It's an improper plate. It's improper. US Supreme Court has not said that I do not need a plate, license, or insurance as long as I'm not functioning in commerce. Is this what you're saying? Okay. So, you have an improper player on your vehicle, sir. I'm asking cuz see, when I take this into the courtroom and send it to the US Supreme Court to show that y'all are ignoring court rulings, then that that gives me more ground to do what I'm going to do legal wise. So, I'm asking you I'm asking you, are you voiding a US Supreme Court case ruling? Do you So, do you have a preference on who towes your vehicle? You want to tow my vehicle? Knock yourself out cuz then I could charge you for that too because my vehicle is registered as a secure party on the UCCC1. So if you want to do anything you want to do, do what you feel like it. Okay. Do you have a preference on who towes it? Whoever you want to have tow it. Okay. So a vehicle to be on the roadway in the state of Michigan must have insurance. Okay. It does. You told me it doesn't. Now I'm telling you this is what you're telling me that the you are vi you're avoiding a US Supreme Court case ruling. Is this what you're doing? Do you have do you have insurance for the car? No, I don't. See, he wrote me a ticket before. He knows this stuff already. He know that we already have a hearing going on. So, this is just compiling on to not harassment. Cuz we had this conversation once before when we was over there. You say, "Yeah, I know. We got to go to court." And there's a reason why they haven't did the hearing yet. Yes. So, I'm asking you, are you voiding a US Supreme Court case? So, the first time that I stopped you, you had a plate on the vehicle. You don't. Now, this is a completely improper plate. So that was the reason for the stop. Did the plate have tags on there? Cuz you stopped me because the tags was expired. So that according to you is that or is that not improper plate? This plate this plate right here isn't a valid Michigan plate. So you have to have you have to have a plate registered. This what I'm showing this we've already went through before. US Supreme Court says I do not have to have a license plate, driver license, or insurance to operate as long as I'm not operating at commerce. Did I Did I not show you that ruling? I don't remember. You don't remember? They don't. So, hang tight with my partner, please. Yeah. Okay. Here's what I can tell you, and I'm not trying to be difficult. I've run into this plenty of times. I've been I've been an officer for 18 years here in Battle Creek, right? Run into this plenty of times. You do have to have a plate on your car if the car is driving on the road. Has to have insurance. Um, so those are those are violations. No. So, can you read this for me, please, sir? Well, so here here's what this I'm trying this what I'm trying to get. If I pulled up if I pulled up the state law for Michigan that said you have to have your vehicle registered through the Secretary of State and it has to be insured in order to travel on the roadways. Would that make any difference to you right now? No, it wouldn't because the US Supreme Court has already ruled and that that applies to a vehicle, not an automobile. And they are specific in their language. That's why I asked you to read this. That's why I'm asking him. In 18 years, I've heard this argument a lot of times. Mhm. Not once have has it ever been overturned at what he's what he's doing. Not once has it been overturned at the state level for any case that I've ever been part of where if somebody's driving without their vehicle registered and we're talking here in Battle Creek. Okay. Now, let me ask you a question cuz I do have a copy of you guys oath and obligation. Are you not obligated to enforce the US Constitution? Is that Did you not take an oath to do that? I sure did. Does the US Constitution not state that we are not required to op have a license to operate a vehicle on the words of commerce that you cannot convert a privilege into a right or a right into a privilege? That did not say that in the US Constitution. So, what this boils down to is an interpretation of the wording. And I'm just telling you this is the instruction that we have um through our through our city attorney, right? This is the the courts we operate here in the state of Michigan right under Michigan law. Michigan law requires you to have a plate and have your vehicle insured. Now the next question is does Michigan law supersedes the US Supreme Court or does Michigan law supersedes US Constitution? See, this is the thing that that that I know what y'all are taught, right? But in the end, it's going to boil down to you guys. Uh uh when do you and that's not me me being a smart. When do you think that the end that it boils down to will be cuz it keep every end where something boils down to like this same situation in the end when it all boils down you are required to have a plate and insurance. Okay. Wood. So I don't know when it boils down to when you go into the courtroom, the court's like, you know what, we don't want to deal with this. We're not gonna have a hearing on it. We're not going to even rule on it. So that way there's no record to prove that what you're saying is correct because we know what the US Supreme Courts have ruled and nor courts cannot nor can a police officer or peace offer change a ruling of a US Supreme Court judge. And so there that ruling hasn't happened, right? That's still out here. That's why we're still out here enforcing this law. You're enforcing it because you don't know it. So, it's funny, right? Cuz if you go into the when you go into the courtroom and the court's like, "You know what? This is correct." And they dismissed the case. So, what and but your guys is still enforcing it. So, it's going to take like a major and I'm not being cuz you're not being rude or me. I'm not doing and I don't want to go this route, but it's going to take a major lawsuit, a civil matter in order for people to stop violating people's rights because you guys are not attorneys. You don't go to courts or go to law school to learn the law. Y'all only enforce penal codes to which I can show you a US Supreme Court ruling in the states that all rules, regulations, and codes are for you guys and you guys alone, not for men, not for natural people, which is clear language. What about like the Supreme Court like Pennsylvania versus Mims and things the Supreme Court has ruled like we can't have you step out of the car. Okay. You have to have there has to be a crime being committed before you can have me step out. Terry v. Ohio, which call a Terry stop. That's different. That has to do with a search. Okay. In order for you to conduct a search, you have to do what? You have to have reasonable suspicion. Terry versus Ohio is about is about a pat down, right? A search. So, in order for you to in order for you to to have you vehicle that means I have to get and done something that caused suspicious for you to pull me over mean that I have to be committed a crime Pennsylvania versus Mims actually the Supreme Court said we can have anybody step out of the car. Okay, I'm going to look that one up because I'm I'm pretty sure that before that there has to be a cause. You cannot have you can't just we have to have a we have to have a reason to stop you which that plate is a valid reason to stop. Is that a crime? It's a valid reason to stop you. Is it a crime? It's a civil infraction. It's a violation. It's a violation of Michigan statute. Is it a crime? Cuz you you can't a person can walk down the street, oh, he looks suspicious, so I stopped. So that that really don't Is it a crime if you don't use your turn signal? But I did use my turn signal. No, I'm saying are is it that that would be a crime? Actually, no, it wouldn't be be a civil infraction. It's still a valid stop. I'm read this again. You with me on that? I'm read this again. US Supreme Court decisions all codes, rules and regulations are for governments. So, and government alone. So, you are trying to enforce a what? A code, a penal code, an MCL, which is only for government officials according to the US Supreme Court, not the Supreme Court or some other state, cuz they record. Could I pull you over if you ran a stop sign? Could you? I'm asking. I mean, according to Would it be a valid stop? According to what y'all are taught, it would be. But according to what I just read, it's not a misinterpretation. What about what you believe? I believe in what I read. I believe in what the courts have already said and ruled on. Said there's a reason why they have ruled on it and and went this route about it because of this type of incident of going this way. It's not my fault that y'all don't want to uh accept it or you need to feel or you feel like you need to be in control of things or you feel like laws is here to govern when we are supposed to be self-governing. I'm I'm not arguing. I'm just wondering where where you draw the line. Like uh civil say somebody was going 100 miles an hour down this road right here. Would that be a valid reason for me to stop you? For you? Yeah. Would it for you? Do you think that that's I mean I would look at it as endangering someone's life. But still what's the what's the law that was broke? It's still infraction. It's speeding. The speed limits are set up. But again, according it's an MCL code, right? According to the US Supreme Court. So that's something that y'all need to address at the US Supreme Court. No, I'm asking what your personal belief on that one. I'm believing what I'm this is what the I believe that as a private individual that's self-governed. I'm not going to use the word that everybody else uses because nobody can explain why they are what this claim to be. But as a private individual, and this is by Higgle versus hell, as an individual, I do not have to open my doors to investigation. I don't have to talk to y'all or say anything as long as I'm not impeding on the rights of nobody another human being. But as a corporation, which I am not a corporation, you're do not have a right to refuse to open my doors cuz you're not talking to a corporation. Mr. Williams, sir. Um, so just one thing I want to make you aware of, too. Um, so you are non-compliant on your sex offender registry. So, I've already talked to them. I would just probably try and get them. Okay. Yep. I've already talked to them. they know that uh I am on disability, so therefore they're supposed to be taking care of that. I just like to let people know. Um and then uh I did issue two citations today. Okay. For no insurance and improper plate, those both of those tickets are misdemeanor in nature. So court for those and we already have one in court penny. So I just add this to it. But I like how you never answer the question of are you avoiding Listen, please listen. I'm going So because I am towing your vehicle, okay, I'm going to inventory your vehicle. Is there anything I'm going to find in there? So, you're towing my vehicle? Yes, sir. Knock yourself out. Is there anything I'm going to Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. I got to make sure I got to see what I got in there. Okay. Is there anything that shouldn't be in there that I want? Nope. All right. I'll just have you hang back with here while him while I do that and then we're going to wait for the tow truck and then you'll be on your way. And where's my vehicle being towed to? Uh, Buds. Buds and Power. Buds and Power. Or you can pay to have it towed to your residence center. And how much is that? That I don't know. Okay. And how long is this going to take? Um, that I don't. It depends on when Buds gets here. All right. Should be They should be here within 30 minutes. All right. That's part of their contract. Oh, I'm going to have a field day with this one. I already know. I don't know. I don't necessarily understand where you're coming from, but I hear you. Okay. All right. I hear you. Yes, sir. I need to get my keys out of my vehicle and secure my vehicle. Is that all right? Um, I can grab your keys for you where they're in the ignition. They're in ignition. Open my windows up and lock my doors. Okay. Can you leave the ignition key so that Buds doesn't just I'm going to be I'm going to be here cuz I'm going to pay whatever it is that to have my vehicle towed to Ah, they are not in the ignition, sir. Yep. I got them on. There you go. Y ready? Yep. Oh, man. Are you removing private property from a vehicle? From my vehicle? Yes, sir. The plate is not legal to be on the roadway. So, it's Knock yourself out. Go ahead. Cuz the Fourth Amendment clearly states that you cannot take private property without just compensation. I'm letting you know and all this is being recorded. So, knock yourself out. And your oath is what? That you have an obligation to uphold and enforce the Constitution. What you asking him for? You already made. Sir, I'm I'm asking you B. I'm helping. You know what? I don't I know we can take an improper plate. That's a miss. That's a Secretary of State issued plate. I don't know if we can take that plate. Okay. Well, leave your plate just like you cannot take that vehicle. But I'm going to have He can tow the vehicle. He can tow the vehicle, right? Yep. Just like But I don't know about the plate. Just like I have a copy already here. I know. I have a copy of his bond, Christian. I'm going to snatch that and I'm going to start placing leans on your property. Let's see how you like that. See, that's what this is going to boil down to. All because you want to try to act like you're something that you're not. You're not a police officer. You're a peace officer. Learn who you are and learn who you're dealing with when you're dealing with citizens, private citizens. that since you want to go there and I know this is being recorded cuz I guess the copy of that you're dealing with a sovereign citizen. You do know what that is, right? Right. Oh, don't and you never answer the question. Are you voiding or do you have jurisdiction or authority to avoid a US Supreme Court case ruling? You never answer that. Why is that? See, again, this is a where we're playing we're playing with words. No, I'm not playing with words. Well, it it is what he's doing right now is enforcing Michigan state law, right? But the US Supreme Court supersedes to which all of y'all are bound by. Are you or are you not? We're bound by the Constitution. Yes. But here here's the thing. Are you not bound by US Supreme Court rulings? Are you are you not? There are are there a lot of rulings that say you have to follow the Michigan State law? Why is nobody answering this question? Are you or are you not bound by US Supreme Court case ruling? We're talking about two different things here. No, we are. Okay, that's all I wanted to know. Are you or are you not bound by Michigan state law according to the US Supreme Court? No, I'm not. I am a private individual and I'm not a corporation. See these Michigan Penal Court, that's why y'all refuse to read what people give y'all to read. These are you a Supreme Court case. You and I'm going keep saying this because I like it to be a report. So you not have no plausible deniability of saying we didn't know what I'm telling you. But you Bailey has this has nothing to do with you. I've dealt with him before and he already knows this. He knows that we have something going on in court but you want to act like you don't know. But since you don't know then we going to go to we going to go your route. We going to do this your way and then you going to hate me even more. Oh he I don't hate you at all. Why you going to cuz then when you can't explain to your girlfriend, wife, or your children why is he not taking our property? Cuz you didn't uphold or follow the oath that you took as an officer. I Christian Fields have taken an oath to uphold and follow the US Constitution, state constitution, Michigan constitution. I will not do what? Violate this. But here it is. You're doing what? So therefore, that makes my claim against your bond. What? And it's all on camera. I didn't know. He told me. All right. We can find out from them what it would cost to have it. Where where's where would you want? I was just going right around the corner. You know when we had our conversation at once before and your other partner pulled me over and you pulled up and tried to talk to me like Let me ask you how would you be able to pay for that, right? It's going to be with a car. With a car? Oh my goodness. You are You are hilarious. You know that? Yes. I really like that, too. It's cold. What's that in your vehicle? I'm not going nowhere. I'm not going nowhere. Nowhere but straight over there to the what's that risk management and say here's another one to add that to that. And if your bond is what you buy for a million dollars. So how much you think this going to cost you? I know. Oh, you thought about trying to tell me about my s uh my sex offender that that was going to stop me from or deter me. It was just informative. That's all. Like I didn't already know this. I I didn't know that. How am I supposed to know? There's a lot of things you don't know, but you going to fi find out. Right. You don't know till you know, right? Right. pretty out of shoot. Well, I'm going Okay. Or say or you like this last? No, I'm going need a receipt now. So, yeah. Um, hold on. cuz I got to take pictures. Not do his job, huh? No, I'm not I'm not right now. I'm trying to remain civilized and not take out something on people that had nothing to do with I appreciate that. No problem. I don't know how to put that plane up. Oh, and matter of fact, so you guys can take vehicles that's known to other people's. I clear up your question so I answer. I'm not trying to My vehicle is still register as I am the registered secure party of this vehicle as a lean holder, right? So the title is still not even in my name. Okay. So yeah, the reason why it's being told is cuz it's not legal to be on the uh traveling on the roadway like it was according to y'all. Yes. Okay. That's the reason. Okay. So, well, not according to But cuz if that was the case, why you didn't do it the first time when you gave me a ticket? Cuz you told me you had just gotten the vehicle. You said you just picked it up. I told you. Okay. So, what was the excuse for the second time when you stopped? That was my partner. That was not me. Why you didn't take a D? Cuz it's his traffic stop. It's not his traffic. Yes, sir. Just like it's my traffic stop right now, right? So, okay. Yep. That's why. But you had told me that you just bought the vehicle or got not bought, sorry. You were the lean holder and you just picked it up from Benton Harbor and Ben Harbor or did I say Battle Creek or you came from Benton Harbor from your lie together? The title. May I grab the title of my vehicle, please? Because see when you run it and that's something else. So, my license, driver license, my home address, I know what it is. So where in the hell did you get as my place of residence? I that I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, but see, so now we got falsified documents by officer cuz I gave you my driver's license to have my my I like you. Okay. I'm going to grab my title out of my vehicle. That's right. Nothing that can say changes mind. So just be professional. Do your job. That's all. So is that a crime? For not knowing where your address is? No. No. No. No. For falsifying and putting down false information. Especially when I already gave you my driver's license, right? That has the correct address. Secretary of State. I went to Secretary of State. I asked them to verify what my for you for autoopulates. What is it? We talk about this one. Yeah. Yeah. That autopop populates when we run your driver's license. I called the police department cuz I asked the dispatcher. Where is they getting the information from? Cuz she's supposed to send the officer back out here to talk to you cuz she like, "Well, if that's what your driver license is." I believe that comes through the Secretary of State. I just went to the Secretary of State and they said that's what they have. is this address on there. So we going to find out where is you getting this address from sir and forc to find a doctor if you don't mind is so that's you correct avenue harbor Michigan let me see what's on here I'm trying to help you right now if you just want to you didn't you didn't gave me enough help thank you I asked you where did where is you getting this information from that you putting the wrong address so much Someone else had putting it in there. It wasn't me, but Oh, look at that. What What address is on there? And this is at the Secretary of State. What's address is on there? So, when the hell is you getting your information from? And don't say somebody else cuz you just wrote the ticket and nobody else wrote the ticket. They autoop populated. So, why the dispatcher didn't know autoopul? Why the people at the courthouse don't know that y'all is autopop populating? Why is the Secretary of State saying that y'all don't know uh that know about the autopop populate? Is that something you can take up with court? Is this still you? It's still got your driver's license number. If the address is incorrect on it, that's more so we can mail some dude if we would have to. But either way, I want to hold this gentleman up right here. Let me go ahead and pay you real quick. Oh, real quick. Name. I just need to name him real quick. Roosevelt, not Roosevelt. Roosevelt Williams. I think when you I think Z that autoop populates from LG Secretary of State, don't it? I don't know. It depends on if they already have an RMS profile. Otherwise, it would put it in from RMS and that's where it came. So, we would always want to verify and make sure we put in the address that's like their current registered address. [Music] Yes, it is cuz um our in route miles from in route from Marsh here. Okay, don't worry. I'm just asking you pay for it. No, we don't make [Music] this simple. You talking about a simple leave me alone and turn into a I want your whole publication. a million dollar for being that and plus his property. So if you want to mess with something that belongs to me, this is my I paid for this. This is a private vehicle. This is not none of Commerce, but is it possible to do a split payment? I don't know if the whole 1760 on there like 170 there and then payment from another car. All right. You just K9 unit. Is it possible? I am K9. I know. I'm saying you're not a sergeant or nothing, right? I'm corporal. Okay. I should have asked for a sergeant or a sheriff or even a state police offic. Usually it's the the sheriffs is who are the sovereign citizens recognize their authority cuz right I said I didn't Right. So you already know I'm telling you this ain't my first I know. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't have my It did not. So do for 150. Oh, hey. Yeah, I did. Guess what? Uh, I just made me some more money today. Uh, they're sitting here towing my vehicle, right? So, I'm going to pay I'm going to pay them $176 to have it told, right? And then after I get back in it and head to the courthouse, I'm going to start cuz I was trying to wait till I got heard on the ticket cuz I was going to use a ticket that he already wrote me and and use that as as a clerk, you know, to to prove my criminal case. But now I'm going to go ahead and and file a harassment claim and see this the media then I go ahead and start against this bomb because it's the same officer. We already had this conversation. So now I I have enough grounds to establish harassment. Yep. Talking about my plate. Now keep in mind and it's crazy. I just thought about they said they been through this before. So they already know. So there's no Yeah. that no problem did not do. They would not they refuse to answer the question about if they're trying to overrule a good Supreme Court case ruling to which they're all bound by to which I do not have them on camera to get a copyright if they ain't showing that I gave them notice. They do know that they violate my constitutional rights that they took an oath to uphold. So, I'll just call and let you know that I'm going to uh I don't know if I want to do this myself or have had uh have had an attorney cuz I want all I want his house. I want his bank account. I want everything. Uh really the other one payment or cash? Uh the other one's going on the car. Just let you know that is another $3 charge. It don't matter. That's $29 before I Okay. Uh, let me take care of this real quick and I'll give you a call back in 10 minutes. 1106. Can I get a complaint? Okay. All right. Well, I I'll be up there in a minute. All right. Hey, Mr. Williams. Sir, you're a grown man, so I can't tell you what to do. But if you drive if you if you drive it again Mhm. you could get pulled over again, you could get the same tickets again. Mhm. And the vehicle would be towed again. Well, we could have this towed to the impound lot. Mhm. And then you would have to get it registered and insured before it would be released to you. Um, which I'm not trying to which I'm not trying to do, but if you're going to drive it on the road, it's we're enforcing that Michigan state law. It's got to be registered. So, I know we're you're going to tow it back to your house. I just wanted to tell you like if you're going to be driving it again, you probably get pulled over again. I ain't trying to go through this again. Well, Bailey, between me and you, you see me, you don't see me. That's what a lot of other officers have been doing. That's what he had been doing to to today cuz I had two of y'all behind me this morning. And I'm not saying that it's for sure going to happen, but I'm saying it's very well possibility it could happen again. Okay? Cuz even if I didn't take my plate off, right? And even though that the title still, I still have a day to transport or move my vehicle from one place to another place when you purchase it. It's not in my name. I'm just a lean hold on there. I know. So, I'll say that that would work if you bought it today and drove it somewhere. But if you're driving it tomorrow and you say you just bought it and drove it, that ain't going to work. I know. All right. But I said, listen, I I'm very should I know for my conversation, I'm very well versed with the laws. well versed just just because y'all don't agree with what y'all hear or you guys don't step into the courtroom to find out what actually goes on in the courtroom. Like right now, if I was to go into a courtroom and one of my brothers is sitting up on that bench cuz I'm a third degree masturbation. And so we can clear that courtroom out, y'all never know what's going on in that courtroom. And just because there's no ruling, no proof of it, that don't mean that it didn't take place. All right? So I like I said I respect you to the utmost. You you didn't give me no problems, no harassment. He wanted to be a dick to my vehicle. Like I said, this is not the first time because you don't like the fact that I know something that you know that I know. You don't want to acknowledge it. You don't want to answer questions that's now you out in public that's going to be made public cuz when I get a host, I'm most definitely putting on Tik Tok, YouTube even bigger. You got a channel? Uh, not yet. All right. I I use my uh I use my uh my commercial account on certain accounts. Even if I put it on there, I end up. But whatever I put on there, there's nothing that can be done about it because it's covered under the freedom of speech. So if I put you guys on here doing this traffic stop, illegally violate my constitutional rights. You can Oh, you can post it. Yeah, I hear that. We get people post stuff. We get posted all the time. [Music] I just wasn't sure if you had a chance. Guy tried to give me this site called Swift. Oh, here get this. All right. You do. All right. right in the puddle. I mean, it starts and runs. I could move it, but I don't know that I would. Yeah. Yeah. [Music] All right. Anything else? I don't need anything else. All right. All right, sir. You have a good day. Yeah, you too. Uh, only question I have is will we be will the laws of the US Supreme Court be applicable and the federal statutes and definitions of motor vehicle and automobile be applicable in this proceeding? They are the the state of Michigan laws that will be applicable. Okay. The other question is are you already not bound by US Supreme Court rulings? Um, every court is bound by relevant Supreme Court rulings. Okay. I did inform Officer Kelly that I am not operating a motor vehicle, but I am operating an automobile. I did inform Officer Kelly of the ruling of Rodriguez V. Ray Donovan, US Department of Labor, 769, Federal 2nd, 1344, where the US Supreme Court's decision has ruled that all codes, rules, and regulations are for government authorities only and not for human creators in accordance with God laws. All codes, rules, and regulations are unconstitutional and lack lacking due process. I'm going to interrupt you just for a second. Are you telling me that a case at 769 Fed 231 1344 indicates that all laws are unconstitutional? All codes, rules, and regulations. Yes, sir. Rodriguez v. Ray Donovan. And if I'm not mistaken, and you said that was Department of What? US Department of Labor. Okay. US Department of Labor doesn't publish decisions in the Fed. Second. Um, can you tell me a little bit more about the case? What was what was that issue in the case? Uh it was regarding what we're discussing here the requirements uh the requirements of a driver's license and the need when this required to have one stating that uh when you're not operating commerce to which I informed the officer that I am not operating commerce as stated in US C 18 USCA 31 paragraph A6 states that a motor vehicle the term of motor vehicle containing every description of carriage, contravenence, propelled or drawn or mechanical powered and used for commercial purposes. This is what title 18 USCA section 31A6 states or defines as a motor vehicle to which I am not operating in commerce. I'm not using for the purposes of of of that particular chapter of the United States code. It would not control what happens um in terms of the Michigan legislature defining in chapter 257 what a motor vehicle is and an automobile right under Michigan law is a motor vehicle but okay continue right is a motor vehicle which is described as anything even by the Michigan compliance statute of 751 which you just stated is uh determined as something that's transporting goods which I am not transporting goods I understand your position and I can tell you that that position doesn't happen to be legally correct, but go ahead. So that you you're basically stating that that's a misinterpretation of what's in black and white. Uh, no. I'm telling you that you have misinterpreted the application of 18 USC 31A6 and 769 F2C or Fed 2 1344. Okay. Well, I I I see what I No, there will be no further arguments because I see that you're not going to agree to because like I said, I have and I have given it to you the cases where they like Shapiro v. Thompson where the US Supreme Court has said that this a driver license is not a requirement that this is you're trying to convert a a a right into a privilege to which is covered by article 1 section 8. I'll ask you this is that right the right to travel. That is a right to travel convey however you want it by the art by the US. Well, what you just told me was that uh somehow I but regardless uh am trying to convert a right into a privilege. Now the question I have for you is what right has been converted to a privilege? My right to freely travel unfettered. I will ask you this. How is your right to travel removed? By receiving by trying to require me to have a license to operate a automobile, which is my private vehicle. Okay. All right. Is there anything else you want me to consider? No, sir. All right. Well, um I can tell you this. Um, the Michigan motor vehicle laws, including the laws that require you to carry insurance, that require your vehicle to be registered and require that registration to be current, do not run in violation of any um right to travel under the Constitution or the United States Supreme Court decision that you have cited. In fact, um the Michigan courts have held that essentially the right to travel means the right for you to move from A to B. Uh not the right not the right for you to travel from A to B under your most convenient way. So you could walk from point A to B all you wanted. You could take a taxi or a Uber or a plane or a train or a bus. But if you wish to travel by using a motor vehicle, the Michigan laws are applicable and don't unconstitutionally interfere with the right to travel. It doesn't convert the right to travel into a privilege. You are not denied the right to travel. You may be denied the privilege of traveling via an a motor vehicle that you are operating. So, okay. So I that that is what the law says and that's what I'm finding. Okay. I'm you know I just appeal it and that way I can make sure all citations are are That's fine. I mean I I have no problem telling you you have the right to travel. I have no problem telling you you have the constitutional right to travel. All citizens do. No doubt about that. One question. Is there a difference between a motor vehicle and an automobile? Is there a difference? Yes. All automobiles are motor vehicles, but not all motor vehicles are automobiles. Okay. So, is my automobile, not my private personal automobile that's not being used in commerce. I would have no idea the use of your your motor vehicle and it's not relevant to me for the purposes of deciding whether you're responsible for these civil. Okay. Well, I have nothing else for you to consider. Well, very good. I and it I'm I'm letting you know the law does not make a distinction between you're using the vehicle for personal reasons or you're using the vehicle for commercial reasons when your registration plate is expired and when you fail to show proof of insurance. Both of those are required language. Both of those are required under Michigan law for anyone operating any motor vehicle. That's what I can tell you. So correct a motor vehicle to which I am not operating a motor vehicle and this is what we are trying to uh I guess circumvent operating not a motor vehicle. I can tell you that an automobile is considered a motor vehicle under the Michigan motor vehicle code. So that's fine. Um is there anything else you want me to consider? Nope. Very good. All right. So I've listened very carefully to the evidence. I do find that it's more likely than not that when you were required to at a traffic stop show proof that your vehicle was insured that you failed to do so and uh that it is more likely that your operator's not your operator's license, I'm sorry, the registration plates on the vehicle were expired. So, I'm going to assess the $125 on the no proof of insurance case and the $110 on the expired plates case. The address that you want things sent to, Benton Harbor 49022. Is that correct? That is the address. I don't know what the other address is coming from, but that is my address. Well, I don't know what other address you're speaking of, but that's the address the court now has for you. So, both of those judgments, go out in the mail on Monday. All right. Thank you both for your time and patience. You're all set. Have a very good day. Thank you, sir. You, too. You too.