sir please don't film the employees yeah we can ask you enough to film the employees sir oh really yeah well I would appreciate that we are an open and transparent department and we want to facilitate your access to the building so if you'd like we can move forward with with you in the let's move forward thank you well thank you Sarah what was your name reuben reuben reuben what's your last name he he doesn't he doesn't have to give that to I was I was talking to Reuben Nathan can you stop interrupting Reuben I'm sorry about that your combativeness just isn't necessary your uncooperativeness with my investigation I mean you get to do whatever you want to do but it's not necessary uh just do an investigation first step to conducting a very serious investigation is to get yourself a clipboard can we have pleas you have there sign in yeah up here in the sign in sheet why is that uh it's law it's law yeah which law is that what's your name Savannah Savannah okay and uh what's your last name um and can I ask why you read that it's uh from my investigation what's your last name s I'm doing an investigation here okay is your last name on your name tag there uh yeah but can can we get you to sign in first you have to sign in I just need to document who's telling me to sign in by law what can you uh tell me which law that is ma'am if I I need you to sign in I'm trying to find out sure yeah can you just tell me which law that is hello sir how are you good how are you good how can I help you I was looking for Savannah's last name um what's what's going on what can I help you out with sir well I'm I'm conducting an investigation uh an investigation for what it's an ongoing investigation so I can't give you too many details about that what's your name my name is Nathan hadot Nathan hadot yes sir we will need you to sign in though sir it's required by law to enter the secure facility or do that okay and which law is that I can provide that to you if you'd like yeah I'd appreciate that naan you stand by here and I'll print it out for you sure thank you Nathan sa what was your last name what is it no sir yeah if I could just have you take a seat either in here or right there and then I'll print it out for you oh right over here that's fine sir if you'd like to sit there ask if you can just stay in this area just for now until I print that L yeah sure I'm in this yeah thank you all right so here you go it's right here on the top security requirements the storage facility use for County storage of voting system shall employe sign in a sign out sheet to document each individual entering or leaving the facility to include election officials signin sheet to document so yeah so you guys have employed that signin sheet is that correct that is our sign in sign in sheet yes sir in accordance with this this provision so it does say here that you have to have a signin sheet yes sir it doesn't say I have to sign it sir we are do require that and I won't allow you to enter the facility any further U unless unless you're able to do that okay I was told by uh uh Linda that uh I could come in here and view the process absolutely as soon as you sign in I'll be more than happy to show you the process um well like I said it says that you have to have a signin sheet but it doesn't say that I have to sign in well we're going to require you to sign in sir in order to move forward with that with the you VI the process if you're able to do that I'll greatly appreciate it otherwise I'm not going to be allowed to permit you to follow any further what information are you asking for on the sign in sheet just your name uh first and last just a name yes sir okay and the date you're entering in the time okay so you want me to give you a name is that used to possibly retaliate against me if I publish a story that's unfavorable to you it's used for for requirement to anybody who's entering the facility okay so it wouldn't be used to retaliate against me later if I publish an an a story that no sir we don't retaliate about against anybody okay that's good to know yeah would you want to go ahead and write my name down for me up there um if you want to go in there I can do that let's go up there I don't mind signing in for you on your behalf if you'd like sure and to be clear you're giving me a name but you are not stating what name you'll be giving me is that correct that's I mean okay I just want to make sure that's recorded as well yeah okay yeah it's uh so you're not requiring that I give a legal name either are you just a name right the name the sign-in sheet is what it requires you to sign in so if you want to give me a name that is not your legal name that's completely uh up to you okay am I am I good to sit here until I've signed in absolutely okay if you'd like to sit there um I just can't allow you to enter any further into the VI the process I mean all I wanted to do is just uh take up uh Linda on her invitation to come and view the process that's all absolutely and you're more than welcome to we just require anybody entering the facility to sign in well it says that you're required to have a sign in and sign out sheet to document individuals but it doesn't say that I'm required to do anything so I mean maybe you could write on their John Doe 6 foot Red Beard blue eyes if if that's the name you'd like to give me that's that's the name you're you're giving me um that's your choice but we're requiring you to sign in well the law requires you to have a signning sheet it doesn't require me to sign in I know we're going in circles but I'm not going to lie to enter any further unless you provide me uh that information for the sign in and you said I have to provide a name that's correct any name I don't know your name sir um I don't know your name so we don't ask for identification but we're asking to sign in if you want to falsify that information um that's your prerogative um Can it can you give me just a couple of minutes sure do you want to call your attorneys and I'll go ahead and call our legal department too sure that'd be awesome that way we're all in the same and and I can I'm James Nathan that's a that's a real name okay well thank you I appreciate um and you know I I I don't mean to be cryptic it's just that I you know I I just don't like when government asks me understand I understand sir uh which kind I don't mean to be difficult to you get that and you have to understand my position that this is a secured facility and there are specific requirements that are in place um I understand the language there is is uh open for interpretation um but in order to move forward with the process that's a requirement for everyone involved not specifically singling your yourself out as well no sure yeah that's I mean this is all part of the investigation so okay no that's fair and that's what we want this is an open and transparent process for everybody but uh we also want to make sure that we're we're handling everything accordingly to what what our procedures are as well sure okay all right thank you sir absolutely so you're going to call your legal yeah okay and I'll call ours and then at that point um if you wanted to sign in we can move forward with you viewing the process all right and I'll just stay in this lobby area until then all right great thank you sir yes ma'am and they have private information for employees on their computer so and and here you mean in this room is this in that room right there yes okay sir please don't film the employees yeah we can ask enough to film the employees sir oh really yeah well I would appreciate that what's your name ma'am what's your name I don't need to dis here you can have my business card sir thanks what's her name um I'm not going to disc that she doesn't want me to give a name she work for the county or is she she does okay so I'm going to need her name I am going to need her name that's not an option provide that sir you do have my business card sir and I can I can speak to any questions that you may have well you're not the one who told me I can't she was the one who told me sure so I got to document each person my direction well I've got to document each person that speaks to me and tells me gives me unlawful orders each person has to be documented for not the investigation okay all right Nathan yes I just give you my business card and it has my name and title on and did you talk to your legal team yes okay what they say yeah um currently they're going to review the statute and then they'll get back to us okay okay uh how long do you think that'll be I can't tell you unfortunately could be a few days before I'm granted access to the open system I I can't tell you I can't speak to the time when leag will look at that and give me a response all right but the open system is not currently open to me it it is sure as soon as you if I give up my Fourth Amendment right to be secure in my person my papers and effects then it's open I don't know what you're speaking to that what I'm asking you to do is this is a secured facility I gave you the statute that clearly requires you to sign in clearly requires you to have a sign-in sheet we've estblished requires us to have a signin sheet and you have to look at what the intention of that is it is to require somebody to sign in it's intentionally facility and at that point as soon as you do that with the date and time I'll be more than happy to access you can access that particular process and I can answer any questions that you may have so all I have to do to be able to view the open system is to give up my Fourth Amendment right is that correct to sign in sir and again you you've already established that you have the ability to give us a false name and I am not going to follow up with that what's a false name you said if I give you any name John do uh is that your legal name would it does it what is what are you getting this idea that a legal name is required I never stated that a legal name was required you stated that you give a any name and I said if you wanted to do that uh that is your prerogative I I already establish that okay so if you want to go ahead and go ahead and throw Grande Johnson on the sheet there okay Grande Johnson that's correct it's Spanish for big dick I know exactly what you're saying and look I want to be professional about this if he really wanted to be a professional where's his clipboard where's his notepad that says professional on it and look I want to be professional about this I haven't been rude to you at all sure look this is the name that I go by I understand but I'm asking you not to be inappropriate with me going forward either and we can keep this resp respectful if if you don't mind well respectful so you want me to give up my fourth amendment rights if you an open you're interrupting call it Grande Johnson that's that's what the name like I do know okay and then then you just had to throw it out in English for some reason saying what it is and and that's that's trying to you know that's the name that I probably elicit some sort of response from me uh that is like trigger you or something yeah and I are you easily triggered no sir and that's why I'm asking you to keep so it's not an issue because you're not easily triggered well it doesn't matter whether it is or not it's it's about respecting each other's professionalism C well I already trying to keep it professional I'm going to make it perfectly clear at this point that the fact that you want to try to force me to to give up my Fourth Amendment right to view the open process I don't respect you so let's just make that perfectly clear you can write the name and let's proceed go on okay no actually sir you know what if you can do me a favor and sign that for yourself uh I would appreciate that well thank you Sarah what was your name reuben reuben reuben what's your last name he he doesn't he doesn't have to give that I was I was talking to Reuben Nathan can you stop interrupting Reuben I'm sorry about that no I'm not going to disclose that oh you don't want to give your last name okay are you an employee of the county yes sir all right and what's your salary here you don't have to disclose that I don't have to disclose that either all right so it's Reuben R uen yes sir ruen um Ruben do huh Ruben do do that okay and um and you are employed by the uh County of Bernal Leo yes are you a full-time or part-time employee or temporary okay I mean we get this stuff through open records it's just absolutely you guys can be difficult about feel free to do that reest that but you you understand you know it does make the employees uncomfortable asking those personal questions like that you have the ability to look them up wait you guys want my name to be allowed to enter this facility but it's uncomfortable for all of you to give your names to me did I ask function I pay all your salaries but you're not comfortable telling me how much I pay you sir you can look that up well I see how it is I see how it is it's almost as if you're the rulers and you're you're ruling a bunch of subjects let's let's carry on Abol he gave you his name and that's what you asked and then he started asking more personal questions and that's not it's not personal it's public absolutely it's very public but you don't have to ask them directly like that nobody's asking you direct questions like that as well correct do you have a problem with my investigation Nathan absolutely not I I don't understand why asking personal questions it's part of my investigation it is what I have to do when I get back to my office at the end of the day my boss expects certain things to be done just like yours does your boss expects you to have people sign in my boss expects me to get the first and last name of every Public Employee that I deal with okay that so I I hope you understand you told me earlier that you know it's not a thing that you insist on doing this it's that your boss expect expects you to do it right I never I expected the statutes right you told me when I was sitting over there that that who's your boss uh my boss in terms of in terms of what who who do you work under I work under the county manager's office County manager and the county clerk's office okay and what's your position here uh it's on my business card sir so feel free to to to complete that way okay I just don't understand understand why you have to be so uncooperative with my investigation oh no we're not uncooperative at all sir you're being very all a lot of you are being very uncooperative by not providing personal uh information it's public information and we established that we've talked about it that's why we can get it through public record absolutely and so you have the means to do that but your combativeness just isn't necessary your uncooperativeness with my investigation I mean you get to do whatever you want to do but it's not necessary I understand what you're trying to elicit from me elicit from you're trying to get a reaction out of me um do you often do you often have bad and negative reactions to people in investigating you absolutely not uh in fact in fact I have why would you be concerned about that then why would I be concerned about that because I see what your intentions are my intention is to conduct my investigation you seem to think that you personally are important to me oh no I don't I don't feel myself important at all to me right no to anybody right feel myself important to this you think that you're important enough for me to try to elicit something from you I'm here to do an investigation that's it I understand that's all okay understand and it and it just makes it that much difficult for me to do my investigation when people like you are so uncooperative can you detail how I've been uncooperative for you sir when I ask people their first and last names you interrupt and tell them that they don't need to give it I'm making them aware that they don't have to do that it's not for you it's not directed at you it's directed at them so I'm just making sure that they're understanding that they don't have to provide that information to you well I'm telling you that it hinders my investigation so and I'm looking out for the these employees here not specifically I'm not their attorney but I oversee this particular department so I want to respect their privacy I want to respect what they feel comfortable doing or not and uh I'm providing them that ability to do that so you're under the impression that their names salaries and all of that stuff is private no sir I'm saying that they personally do not have to give you that information you can look that up through a port public portal like you stated before you have public access to view that so we can at least both agree that it's not private it's very public well and that I'm not asking personal I would never ask where he lives right that's not that is person I don't know what direction you are going down sir it just seems like you're going down first name last name salary those kind of full-time parttime I don't know whe following questions you're going to ask I'm just making them aware they don't have to respond directly to you on those questions okay under the impression that that if they answer those questions that something bad might happen if I don't know you sir and I don't know um what your intentions are inv this is what I do know is that you did not want to sign in corre you came in with a camera recording everybody um you have been speaking aggressively towards individuals aggressiv a few occasions yes sir how would you define aggressively speaking um I would say I want to know what their information is I want to know uh you mentioned retaliation a few times nobody else has mentioned that other than you and those are words that are concerning to me I'm not sure what your intentions are let me give you a little bit of my background put you appreciate that put you itties uh I've done investigations like this previously in many different states one specifically where I was severely retaliated against for conducting an investigation with Texas in leyon Valley I was severely retaliated against I was arrested three times I was hit with two misdemeanor charges and a felony charge it took four years to get those charges wiped off my record have the entire police department fired Joe sagio uh the police chief was fired the entire city council was wiped out and they settled with with me for a half a million dollars so that's what I mean by you're not going to use my information to retaliate against me because it's happened to me before all I do is I take is I take the information I do investigations and I publish stories okay and and that is why I am concerned about retaliation because it's happened I've had men with guns sent by government employees sent to my house I would never go to your home I would never involve myself in any of your personal life but while you guys are at work here working for the public for the government anything that you do here your names your salaries all of that information is we've already established establish it as public and that's part of my investigation and so it just makes it easier for me to be able to get it from you verbally you don't have to give it I I I don't know actually what your guys's policy is you guys may have a county policy that says you have to give it I don't know um but either way it makes it easier for me and if you don't want to make it easy my investig easier that's fine you're not you know you're not legally required to do so but it does make it difficult for me and it shows me that you're being combative and that you're being uncooperative with my investigation do do you feel I am being combative to you sir I just feel like you're not being as Cooperative as you could be and maybe it's because you I I I don't know why maybe you're uncomfortable with being investigated no I get that I get that we I mean not uncomfortable being investigated you have to understand we don't always have somebody coming in with the camera you know to to ask us these type of questions it's not necessarily being uncomfortable it's just something new to us but we are an open and transparent department and we want to facilitate your access to the building so if you'd like we can move forward with with you in the process let's move forward thank you stay tuned for part two will Nathan continue to get triggered by my investigation