I need an ID from you what crime have I committed you're the subject of a call from this Detention Facility so I need an ID I just told you I'm exercising My First Amendment right I'm telling you if you don't give me an ID I'm going to take you to jail for obstruction obstructing a peace officer is is it standard to arrest somebody simply for failing to ID uh yeah if we're there for a lawful reason they have to provide their name and data birth if you're there for a lawful reason yep if if someone hasn't committed a crime or isn't suspected of committing a crime are they required to give ID it it depends on the circumstances on July 4th 2024 Ron Phillips was in the downtown's Billing Montana area he ordered a lift to take him home and decided that while he was there he would record outside of the Alpha House a pre-release Correctional Facility what are you going to exercising my right he recorded from outside on the public sidewalk the entire time but facility management called the police on him another day in the life Happy Forest sorry you don't have your freedoms yeah man I appreciate you man officer fonte from the Billings police department arrives okay so now the cops being called on you for filming here what are you doing here waiting for an Uber waiting for an Uber yeah I figured this would be the SA his place okay I need I need an ID from I'm exercising My First Amendment right I need an ID for you what crime have I committed you're the subject of a call from this Detention Facility so I need an ID I just told you I'm exercising My First Amendment right I'm telling you if you don't give me an ID I'm going to take you to jail for obstruction obstructing a peace officer so but what crime have I committed by not giving me your ID you're committing the crime of obstructing a peace officer but I'm asking for my fourth amendment protection searches and seizures search and seizure of my persons and property correct and if you commit a crime then I have the right to Jud I have the right to seize you yeah so what crime have I committed obstructing a peace officer right now you're committing that crime no there has to be an underlying thing that you're investigating I'm investigating you they called me okay but what crime am I committing obstructing a peace officer so you you you going to give me your ID or not so had they not called you how would I be obstructing a peace officer okay so I haven't committed a crime you are committing a crime right now I will take this right to jail okay so here's the deal I'm going to tell you real quick I'm waiting for an Uber like I said I'm exercising My First Amendment right right now you're being detained you're not free to go what reasonable articular suspicion do you have that I'm committing a crime right now you're committing a crime of obstructing a peace officer I already told you that so here's but you don't have the right to come up and just identify me yes I do when you're the subject of a call I do were you guys were you on no not the I'm waiting for my Uber so he's been acting like this all night I'm waiting for my Uber and I would like to do it in a safe spot this is your last chance to give me your name I'm going to go to jail man because this is my first can I take my backpack off away we going have a huge problem put your hands back your hands together do not stop by recording you just violated my right no we didn't yeah I have done nothing wrong instructing a police officer you refus to provide your name or date of birth that is a crime no it isn't a protection fourth amendment protection I haven't committed a crime you can't just come up and ID weapons on you no like said this guy's been causing problems all day he followed me to my dud he followed me to my office before and he's fing me as I'm going up to go to the bathroom he's up on that call R said that he was walking up on them when they were trying to handcuff that d yes so if this isn't this our complainant yes I have a right to ID this guy he's a subject of a suspicious person he has to give me his name he's not going to do that he's going to go to jail first okay I'll take the case no absolutely just letting you like try no no that's fair no I'm I am more than happy to has code that he spit out to whatever just chat him and be like what is that got well I called him no I'm saying that I called him and he goes you're free to clear if it doesn't pick the statute now I'm not familiar with the statute but he spit the statute out so for your information if you get a hold of gertman okay I don't know if that will fit so I appreciate you calling me back what was your name again Sergeant Peterson Sergeant Peterson uh I'm calling about a uh an arrest officer fonte arrested Aon Phillips on July 4th 2024 you are you familiar with that I am not I can I wasn't working that day but I can uh look at release what I what information I can all right are you his direct supervisor uh no I believe that's Sergeant stoval because he's um I believe he's doing this the downtown Billings Association stuff so I believe that falls under Sergeant Stovall what's his name again snowball stove Ball s t o v a l l okay and then his uh yeah he's uh he's like our PR Sergeant okay and he's not available right now I don't believe he's working uh I don't think he works on Mondays let me just double check and there's two Stovall so just make sure you use the sge on um yeah he's not working today I think he has uh he works Tuesday through Friday are they related the two stoval are they husbands no they're Brothers Brothers okay yep yep so uh I guess I'll ask you is is it standard to arrest somebody simply for failing to ID uh yeah if we're there for a lawful reason they have to provide their name and date of birth if you're there for a lawful reason yep meaning like anytime you get a call at all about anything yeah most of the time so you can ID you if you get a call then every single person in the vicinity has to identify were're there to yeah they got identify their the Prov their name andth okay even if they're not suspected of committing a crime well if we're there for welfare checks suspicious things you know we we go to we respond to a lot of calls so okay let's say it's this but my question I guess is if if someone hasn't committed a crime or isn't suspected of committing a crime are they required to give ID it it depends on the circumstances so what yeah if you but what would be the different circumstances that I'll refer you to Lieutenant Atlantic he's our admin sergeant that deals with all the quests for uh hey I think you're breaking up you still there sorry you there yeah yeah I'll I'm going to refer you to our uh admin Lieutenant since he's in he deals with uh all the requests for things of this nature well but for the mo for the most part yes you have to provide your name dat even if you're not suspected of committing a crime uh yeah we go and find someone that's you know we don't know if they're suspected a crime we're there for a lawful reason someone calls for us to be there um whether it's a trespass or um yeah we they need to provide their name and date of birth how about a guy standing on a public sidewalk recording uh government facility uh yeah I don't know um I'm not going to get into all the hypotheticals yeah um well um I mean people yeah people do have their right to say what they want and they can uh record things um if they're in a public space so okay they record us and do that that sort of thing too okay and and doing such wouldn't be considered suspicion of a crime right I'm not going to comment on that okay well it sounds like I mean I'm trying to clear this up before I publish and and just have you guys apologize for what you did and we all make mistakes so I'm trying to just get an apology have you guys realize I'm sure you already realize it but admit that you cannot legally and lawfully get an ID from anybody that you don't suspect of a crime I'm just you know hoping that you guys would admit that and we can all move on um but it sounds like you guys are probably going to stick to your gun since you personally are telling me that you have the right to ID people when you don't suspect them of a crime it sounds like it's a department-wide problem is what I'm saying and so it sounds like this isn't going to be be resolved quickly and we're probably going to have to send a crew out to you guys to help uh teach you guys is that is that the case or am I just mistaken here am I misinterpreting what's going on hello hello yeah I'm still here sorry I think you might be cutting in and out so so am I just misinterpreting what's going on is or do I have it right that you guys are under the impression that you can ID people with no suspicion of a crime I do that's your your you you're that's your prerogative no well I'm asking I'm not going to but I'm just not going to comment on a bunch of hypotheticals sure nothing hypothetical about this I'm just trying to get this resolved the easiest way possible we can do it the easy way or the hard way you know what I mean I'm just trying to figure out if you understand or if you need to be taught that you don't have the right to ID anybody unless you suspect them of a crime is that something you understand or do we need to come teach you you can if you want to come out here to Billings that's that's more if you want to come out again I was out there last time I was out there because of something similar to this about gosh four years ago you guys instantly whipped right back into shape apologized and said Mr Freeman it won't happen again I haven't been out there in four years all of a sudden now you guys are doing it again and now you're sitting here gaslighting me on the phone trying to tell me that you think you have a right to ID people again I'm not trying to cause a problem what I'm trying to do is make sure that you guys fix the problem that you have caused that we can all just move on okay do you have any other questions that I can help you with my my question is are you under the impression that you think you can arrest people when you don't suspect them of a crime do you have any other questions sir that's that's the question that I have at this time okay and I said I'm not going to get into all this stuff okay you a question about it's pretty important there's nothing more important than understanding when you do and don't have a right to put your hands on somebody now what's the protocol when somebody defends themselves against you okay can refer all policy to question to Lieutenant L if you want it's not really a matter of policy when all of a sudden somebody's hitting back is it I'm just curious not that I would do that not that anybody else would I'm just curious when someone defends themselves against you unlawfully attacking them what happens then just I believe they have the right to to sue if if we're found to be negligent or wrong what if they don't want to sue and they just want to defend their rights right there in person as you trying to put their your hands on them they defend themselves then what like I said I'm might getting in hypothetical sir so if you have any more questions you can get a hold of Lieutenant lenck Lieutenant who lenck lenck Okay L NN i c k l e NN i c k all right yeah and then I can give you the front number if you need to get to his office you want to just forward his number to me or uh my number to him because here's the thing I'm gonna publish in like probably no more than an hour I'd kind of prefer that this is resolved before I publish so that we can just just let the audience know hey you know they made a mistake and it's over rather than hey they made a mistake and they're sticking to their guns let's go okay like I said I'm not I'm not commenting on specific questions or specific incidents regard okay yeah just shoot him my phone number then how about that I will send him and is it it's James yeah James Freeman I've been out there before I don't remember if I met with him or or who I met because it was four or five years ago I think it was 2019 the last time I came out to visit you guys let my questions make you think that me or anyone surround around me would actually use violence I'm just curious you know because I I'm not taking that as you're trying to Advocate against violence against us that's not how I took it so okay and and again all right well I'll look forward to uh Lieutenant lenx call uh hopefully within before I publish so we can just get this resolved and we all make mistakes man have a good one all I'll I'll let them know thanks all right by bye I actually waited 24 hours for a call back but never received one the law has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what happens in our society the only thing that actually matters is whether the other person is willing to violently force their will upon someone else or not and this proves Beyond a reasonable doubt that the Billings police department is willing to force their arbitrary will on us despite what the law says they can and can't do I personally don't believe that fighting in any Court anywhere equals standing up for your rights when I I mean by that is if someone breaks into your home or say tries to carjack you they're violating your rights in the process of doing what they're doing and defending your rights would mean defending against that person right then and there allowing someone to break into your home and then just standing there watching while they rape your wife and children and later taking them to court is not defending your rights but police are the only criminals that when you defend your rights against them you're guaranteed to die because who is right or wrong doesn't matter to them they're an army 900,000 strong Nationwide and who's right or wrong doesn't matter at all all that matters is that they are willing to escalate any Petty matter all the way to deadly force these aren't Law Enforcement Officers Guys these are just thugs that are immune to the laws of our societies exactly what we created governments to protect ourselves from