Hello. How are you doing? Good. What's going on? Just doing our investigation. Okay. I'm sorry. I told them you probably wouldn't come and I told them if you're not coming, we'll just leave now. Okay. Uh cuz they didn't want to cooperate. And you know that I already spoke with you, so you you know, we're not going to try to force cooperation like the police would do. No, we're not cops. We wouldn't we wouldn't uh get violent with anybody. So, we're just going to talk to them real quick about why we got called here. I guess as of right now, we are in a call for service. We'll be speaking to you briefly about it once we finish talking to them. Okay. Okay. Are we detained then? Yes, absolutely. Oh, we're detained. It's a call for service. You're not free to go. Oh, a call for service. We're What crime are we suspected of? So, right now, that's what we're going to talk to them. We're investigating. What crime are we suspected of? You're You're detained for investigation. Okay. Investigation of what crime? Just hang out for a while. Okay. No, I'm I'm going to go ahead and out the door. Am I detained? You're You're not free to For what crime? You are not free to For what crime? What's your name? L E I N A. Are you hurt supervisor? No. But you're not free to leave. What? What crime do you suspect me of? Our supervisor right there. But you're not free to leave. What crime do you suspect me of? You're not free to What crime do you suspect me of? So keep your voice down. I don't have to keep my voice down. You can be charged with disorderly. Okay. Do you know what disorderly is? Come on. I'm not new here. This is my job. You understand that? I understand. Just hang out for me. No, I'm not I don't need to hang out for you. [Music] Hey, can we go, man? No, you're you're not free to leave. You need to stop. I don't need to stop. I'm telling you what you need to do, and you're going to listen. What crime do you suspect me of? So, we're free to talk to you after. We're going to talk to them. We're going to find out what they call this. Okay. So, you don't know why you're here, but I'm detained. You're here for a call for service. They called on you guys about being disorderly right now. So, we're going to Do you know what disorderly is? So, I'm not answering your question. So, you suspect me of being disorderly? Is that what you're saying? Well, we're investigating. You're going to be detained for an investigation for for investigation of a crime. You have to suspect. Do you know what reasonable articulable suspicion is, boy? I'm not I'm not going Do you know what reasonable You're not going down this route? What? The law? Obeying the law? You're not going down that route? Well, I you can chill right here. Okay. Could you just hang out for me? I want to leave now. You're not free to leave. Why is that? Because we're conducting in Hey guys, this is Oral Valley Police Department. They're detaining me right now. Uh for investigation of which crime? Which crime? Excuse me. How you doing? So, we were just checking. We got reports, different things going on. We're just making sure that everything's good. Am I free to go now? You are. You are free now. Great. All right. I need I need your card. I need I need your card and I need your card right now. For sure. Okay. You can I give you my name and you know, I try not to file lawsuits. You understand, young man, but you're a dumb mother efer. Okay. Well, you can back up. You don't get to detain people. No, you can back up. No, you can back up. Chill out if you would like to. If you would like to any I'm sorry, you're fine. Go ahead. Go ahead, Nichols. Nicholson. Yep. Nicholson. Um, any I understand that. You're dismissed. Walk away. Sorry. Go ahead. He keeps approaching me aggressively. He's fine right here. I'm not going to have any issues here. Let me Let me We're fine. Absolutely. I I have no issue with you. I understand you guys are doing your investigation. When's the last time you were deposed? If you wouldn't mind. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I understand. Let me take some deep breaths. I get really upset when people threaten violence upon me. I've never threatened violence upon anyone in here. And when you tell me I'm detained and I try to walk out the door and you block my way, that's violence. Can you ask the violent man to leave so we can just have a calm talk? Taking one step out the door. Out the door. I'm no threat whatsoever. Look, I understand that. I understand that. Ask the violent man to leave, please, so we can just be reasonable. It's just you and I talk right now. Okay. She can stay and and uh you can stay. These two both detained me. They can go. She didn't detain me. Nope. And so that's what you and I are just talking. You're free to leave at any point you want. Okay. I understand you wanted to talk. So, and let's have him leave. Please. You mind just stepping? Absolutely. I appreciate that. Thank you. I appreciate that. Appreciate you. Him as well. He detained me as well. She can stay as backup. You already know I got no weapons. If I If I were going to hurt you, I'd hurt you. If you were going to hurt me, you'd hurt me. No point. I'll even sit down. How's that? You want to? That is perfect. All right. Let's bring this down. Thank you, Mr. Nicholson. So, like I said, we what happens is we get a call that essentially it comes back that someone's being combative in the lobby. And that's what we were trying to figure out is what combative mean physically anything like that. That's why they're trying to figure out what happened. Okay. Talked with them, they said, "Nope, just you didn't like their answer, this and that." And that's what all I needed to hear and everything's fine. You guys are good to take off if you want to leave. Okay. Anything like that. Um, I understand that you were asking about salaries. Salaries. Um, as far as I know, that information is either online or directed through HR, right? And we're we're aware where we we had a wonderful conversation with Torres and one of her partners earlier today. We explained everything we're doing. No secrets, no nothing. Um, Torres, I'm glad you you showed up, too, cuz a lot of times I was I was already still here on scene. I was just on court, actually. So, I just finished up. That's the problem. A lot of times guys like him show up, they don't know what's going on, and they Anyways, um, so couple of things at this point then. Okay. You got a report that someone was being combative. That's just the information that the somebody within the lobby was being combative. Is there the term that was used? Can you tell me is there a definition for combative? I don't know off the top of my head. U typically combative means couple of things. Uh we don't know what that means until we get here which is why we got to talk to the other party real quick as soon as we verify that combative wasn't anything physical and it was their interpretation of something. We have no issue to believe a crime was committed, anything like that. So when you walked in, were you under the impression that a crime was committed? You personally, right? I'm sorry. You were Were you personally under the impression that a crime had been committed when you walked in? We don't know. And that's what we have to investigate. Right. We We don't know. You don't know. We don't know. So what we're doing is we're trying to verify that a crime has not been committed. Are you under the Sorry. Go ahead. And so that's all we're doing. I think that took me probably 30 seconds, maybe 45 seconds to verify that it was just their interpretation that you didn't they didn't agree with what you were saying. You didn't agree with what they were saying and so they called us and somewhere along the words combative was taken and that's what we just got to verify that it's nothing no crime, nothing like that. Are you under the impression that you can detain someone without actual reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime? So in investigative purposes, detention is applicable. And so when we're just trying to verify that no nothing physical has occurred at that point, we just got to verify that information and make sure that a crime has not in fact been committed. Okay. So when you came in, you didn't know if a crime was committed or not? No. Or you got to conduct an investigation. Was I detained then? At that point, yes. We have to confirm. Great. Perfect. So you didn't know if a crime was committed. For we have an investigative purpose, right? You didn't know a crime was committed, right? No. And you detained me. Those officers detained you. And yes. Did you detain me as well? I was conducting the investigation, but at that point, we have to confirm that a crime in fact has not been committed. I just need to know who all detained me so I can put the names on the litigation. Did you detain me? Yep. You did. Yep. Okay. And again, you did not know that a crime was committed. Is that right? I do not know. And you didn't even have a reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime? We have to verify that a crime has not been committed based on the information. Okay. So, it's guilty until proven innocent. It's an investigative purpose. Great. So, excellent. Yes, sir. Uh, so it's uh I was guilty until proven innocent. Is that right? No one's guilty. Well, I was detained. They can't leave. If they're calling us saying that something's happened, we have to talk to them. But it's they can't leave. It's they're calling us saying they call us and say a crime's been committed and they're not giving us any information. They try and leave. Well, what is happening at that point? We can't say you're guilty without getting more information. If they want to leave at that point, we're like, you can leave, but we're not going to conduct an investigation. This is rich. Okay. This is good. Okay. So, um, did you detain me? Please say no. Just say no, Torres. I don't want to put your name on the lawsuit. How's that? Did you You didn't detain me, right? So, if you have any further questions, you can direct them towards me. And if that's not applicable, we can direct you towards the officer. I'm going to put that Torres did not detain me. She never did say I was detained. You never verbalized that I was detained. That is absolutely perfect. Torres is just a a really really good cop and I'm we're trying to keep the good ones around. We're trying to get rid of uh I mean if you have a willingness to learn and get better, we might keep you but as long as you think as long as as long as you think you get to detain people until you find out if a crime was committed, you're definitely on the chopping and block. Okay, perfect. And that's perfectly understandable from your point of view. I not going to argue with you. And from a legal standpoint and from absolutely I'm not going to argue the court's point of view, everyone's point of view. Perfect. We live in a society of law and order, right? Absolutely. Well, we want we want to absolutely, but then we have people who break the law and detain people without reasonable articulable suspicion. Perfect. Yeah. I feel like we can articulate that, but that's okay. Well, you just told me you verbalized that you did not believe that I committed a crime. All three of you verbalized that you did not believe I committed a crime. Okay. And you still detained me. Okay. You know what? You know what would have happened if I decided to leave anyways while he was trying to block my way and I used any amount of force necessary to leave? What's that? Uh, probably would have beat me up pretty bad, huh? I would sure hope not. Yeah, they would have put hands on. They would have physically stopped me. Except for Torres. I could tell her demeanor. I could read her energy. She already knew what was going on. And And she wanted none of this [ __ ] that you guys were doing. She's a phenomenal. She is. So, like I said, um, if you have any further questions, what I would love to do, I just need, uh, I need information for the three of you so that I can I appreciate it. Thank you. Absolutely. People like Torres are in a tough position though, you know, because you got she she's got two officers here that she knows are breaking the law, that she knows are doing something wrong. But the tough thing is if she stands up against them and says, "Hey guys, guys, whoa, whoa." Now she's she's probably going to get bullied. She's probably going to get treated bad within the department. So really, dude, I've been doing this for 10 years. I have literally watched good cops get fired. Oh, you know why? Because of doing the right thing. Well, I believe that she would be just fine. When you're part of a criminal enterprise and you're not willing to go along with the uh criminals, it can be very difficult. Oh, I could understand that. So, if there's any further questions, what I would love to do, like I said, is direct you towards Sergeant Durban Kelsey, who is part of our internal affairs. Okay. Over there. And if there's any further questions, like I said, regarded salaries, I know that's what you you've been looking for. Um, you can direct that towards either online. Like I said, all that stuff is should be available online, Durban. HR. Yes. Kelsey. All right. I've got LPO Nicholson. What's LPO mean? A lead police officer. Lead police officer. Trying to make sergeant. Wow. I'm just enjoying my time right now. Are you? Yes, sir. Okay. If I didn't have my daughter with me, we would have pushed this a little farther. I would have walked out that door. I would have taken a beating. Yeah. Oh, I I would hope it wouldn't come to that on Do you understand Arizona is a stand your ground state? When you're unlawfully attacked, you have every right to defend yourself by any means necessary. Are you aware that even if you're a police officer, when you unlawfully attack someone, they have the right to defend themselves against you? Absolutely. You could try that. I would hope that we I would hope that we won't ever come to that situation. And what would happen if I did defend myself against an unlawful attack from you? I hope we don't have to find out, but you know, officers are going to do what we need to do, and I can't tell you. You'd probably be willing to kill me over an unlawful detention, wouldn't you? You know, the question is, are people willing to do the same to you? You know, the thing is I have uh, you know, my policy that dictates my use of force and I'm going to stick to that. I can't give you hypotheticals for not to do the same as long and as long as you have a policy, you can't be sued. But it doesn't protect you from someone defending themselves against you. So, you can when when you know when you attack the wrong person and you end up in front of God and you're like, "What happened? I was following my policies. How'd that work out for you? Right. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Huh? Go ahead and get out of here.