What is the uh time for to get body cams on average? Currently two years. Two years. Yes, sir. And your your claim is that it takes 2 years to get body cam because you're underst staffed. Is that true? Hypothetically, if there's an hour to review video, how long does it take your officers? 1 hour for every 5 minutes of video. 1 hour for every 5 minutes of video. Yes. And how much do you charge citizens for that hour? Um for you charge $46 per hour. You charge $46 per hour, which is more than what you make. Uh, yeah. That's interesting. So, you think it's a waste of time? Uh, I feel that people should request things that, um, they really need uh, not for the purposes of uh, I went with a friend to the Serita Police Department to conduct an investigation. That investigation is still ongoing. We'll release that video when it's complete. However, while we were there, we stumbled upon some interesting information while questioning one of the subjects. Okay. Okay. And then, um, what is your name? My name is Julie. What is your last name, Julie? Rosales. Okay. And, uh, what is your salary at here? What do I make? $30 an hour, something like that. All right. So, you can do the math on that, I guess. Okay. Thank you. And how long have you been here? 16 years. 16 years. Mhm. I'm the record supervisor. I'm sorry. I'm the record supervisor. You're the record supervisor. Oh, well then I have some other questions for you. Okay. What is the average time to fulfill a records request? Um, currently we're out about 3 to four weeks and that's average or median. That is current because we are underst staffed. So 3 weeks as of today. Three to four weeks. Yes. 3 to four weeks. Does that include all records or just uh nonbody cam records? Um nonbody cam records. Yeah, body cam is much longer than that. So, let's talk about that then. Uh, what is the uh time for to get body cams on average? Currently 2 years. 2 years. Yes, sir. We are severely understaffed on that one as well. Okay. And our property and evidence section handles that. Sorry. Our property and evidence section handles those. Property and evidence. Where where are they located at? In this building. How many people work for that group? Um there are three people and one uh supervisor and your your claim is that it takes two years to get body cam because you're underst staffed. Is that true? Yes. Okay. How many pending uh requests do you have? Um I would have to look that up. Just estimate. I don't care. Just sign him up. I come back with that. More than 10. More than 10. Yes. Less than 100. A vice president. Yeah. Less than 100. less than 50 and integrity of the reliable hard actually more than 100. More than 100. Okay. More than 200. Um I would say under just under 200 if we have that currently. So a little a little under 200 requests for video that you haven't been able to fill and won't be able to fill for two years on average on the average time frame currently. Yes. Interesting. All right. Um, how long does it take to fulfill one request? It varies because on average, uh, it varies. It's generally by the length of the video. Um, some cases have 10 officers responding and that could take obviously much longer. Hypothetically, if there's an hour to review video, how long does it take your officers? Um the I guess the mile per hour is 5 minutes for every sorry 1 hour for every 5 minutes of video. 1 hour for every 5 minutes of video. Yes. And how much do you charge citizens for that hour? Um for you charge $46 per hour. You charge $46 per hour which is more than what you make. Uh yeah. That's interesting. That's the that's from the state. That's ARS. So, the state changed the rules to pay someone more than you to get the citizens their records. I'm not mad about it. You're not mad? I understand. Tell me why you're not mad. I understand the um the the length of time that it takes. It's very tedious. So, so why why does that make you happy that they raised the price? I didn't say I was happy. I thought you said you Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not unhappy about it. Doesn't make me mad, I guess, is what I said. Okay. Why is that? um because I understand the inner workings of the department and what we need to do to get things done. So you think it's a waste of time? Uh I feel that people should request things that um they really need uh not for the purposes of uh especially when it comes to BWC cuz it is very time consuming and if they don't want to pay that fee we don't want them to uh it's not that we don't want them to it's public record they have every right to know everything they want to know it's just they have to understand that we have a lot to process and it can take time. You're ready. So, thank you. You want people to understand that that they need to wait 2 years. I I wish it wouldn't take 2 years. Uh if we had the staffing, we get those out of here as soon as possible. So, we do our very best to uh get everything out when we can as fast as we can. We don't withhold anything for fun. Uh we do what we have to do to get How did we get here? How did we get here? like 200 requests that haven't been fulfilled. How did we get to that point? Um, I'm not saying they haven't fulfilled. Okay, let's How many requests come in per week on average? Um, that's gone down significantly because you haven't filled them, right? Uh, no, that's gone down significantly when ARS changed to the $46 per hour. Oh, so they they they um they kind of actively made it more pricey and it it naturally got the poor people out of it, right? I don't know. That's a question for the state. I don't know. You don't know? I don't have You can't put two and two together. I can't find it. I I just know ARS and what they allow us to do and that's what we do. Okay. All right. Um let's see here. How many do you get out per week? Um that again that varies on just on average. That varies on the time, sir. I I don't have that answer. Sorry. I don't have that answer at the moment. Oh, you don't know how many they they kick out per week on average, right? Okay. All right. Is it more than five? I don't have a real answer on that one. You Is it more than one? I have no idea. It Do they get on average one out a week? The request, but it doesn't get it gets released by property and evidence. So, I don't Okay. So, so you you don't know? I don't know. And nor could you guess? No, I could not guess. Would it be safe to guess that they get zero out per week on average? Um I again I don't know. It varies on because our property and evidence is also our crime. Aren't you in charge of that? Aren't aren't you what is your role again? I'm the police record supervisor. You you are in charge of all of it. Um I'm in charge of collecting those requests and then and issuing them, right? Not necessarily. No, but Okay. So you have no control of issuing them. You just have control of getting them. those go out digitally and that and while I manage and also um I partake in reviewing those um and releasing some um that's primarily in our property and evidence section. So who is in charge of releasing all the information and who would know that information of how on average I get you that information but I don't have that at the moment. Oh you're in charge of it but you don't know it. No. Is that true? That is not necessarily true. It's we it takes a lot of people to run um records requests. So okay, it digital evidence is managed by our property and evidence section. Records is managed by records bureau. So we do have to help each other. We have to have all hands. So you have layers and layers of bureaucracy to make sure that it's harder. Right. No sir, we don't try to make things harder. We try to make things accurate. We try to get things out as soon as possible. We have Do you need help? I I know some people that you can hire if you want some help. What would it take? What would it take for me to bring in a 100 volunteers to knock out these 200 videos? What do you think about that? The volunteers would have to pass background checks because you have to we can't hire felons, sir. We have You're not hiring anybody. They're volunteers. You could supervise them. Absolutely. And I do do supervise our volunteers. But so you would have full control and checks if I brought in a 100 volunteers. No one release anything. If if volunteers could pass if we had to. Oh, so there's there's specific training that you have to have. You have to be like highly knowledgeable, right? Absolutely. If maybe like two hours of training. Um I'm not talking about the system. How much training does it take to to to train uh one of these per people? One one to train one person. Um it could take several hours because there's redaction involved. Um there's understanding arrests. So if I brought in volunteers, you'd have to train them for several hours. Maybe three three hours. Would it be 3 hours or more? I I really don't know your answer. Is that a hard question? No, it's not at all. Um it depends on the person's level of understanding. Oh, you test them and make sure they can pass. It's not a matter of test. You bet. Sorry about that. Yeah, you bet. Deal with an issue. Okay. So, we were talking about um volunteers. Um 3 hours 3 hours of training. Let's get you guys some help. Well, so we're going to solve this on a volunteer level. It's not going to cost the government anything. This is amazing. Right. So, volunteers do have to um go through the process. We have that online. You can go ahead and go on there and check it out and apply. If I wanted to volunteer, would you have to throw me through a um background check and all that? Well, we don't we don't hire volunteers to just come in and say, "Okay, you're going to do we don't I'm not saying hiring. I'm here to help. Well, it's considered to help. Hire what you don't care. It's words. It's semantics. Okay. So, um all we're saying is if you want to work, volunteer, whatever, how whatever word you want to use, you do have to be vetted. And that's just the process. Um it's a process. Absolutely. So, you just have to follow the process or you can't help. Yeah. There's fingerprinting. There's a background check. You have to get fingerprinted. Absolutely. Isn't that what they do to criminals? Um and employees. That's all across the street. Same thing, right? What do you say? Can I bring you a bunch of volunteers to help you? You can go ahead and go online and have them apply and we'll get that going. What What website? Um, saw theaz.gov. You go to the police department and you'll see. So, if I brought in a 100 volunteers, we can get all these knocked out pretty fast, right? Um, sure. If if they meet all those go through the whole They might actually do better job than your employees, right? They might. It might make them look bad. Huh. I don't care about looking bad. But I care about getting work done. Oh, okay. And getting that $43 an hour is nice, too, right? Well, that doesn't go Wait, wait. If volunteers come in, should we should we not charge them the 43? Would that be okay? Uh, I that's not a decision for me to make that again. Who would make that decision? That's the state that makes So, the state forces you to take our money. That's sir. Is that true? That's ARS. I I don't The state threatens to they threaten force against you to take our money, right? Um, that's above my prayer grade. Like, what if you guys didn't take our money? Would they would they if you didn't take our money, would they would they really come get you? Who Who's they and the the you said the state? The state would if you broke the law and didn't take our money, they would come and get you, right? Uh, I wouldn't they prosecute you for that? I have no idea, honestly. Interesting. Huh. Do you have do you have discretion? Do you have discretion? The guidelines uh for what we can and can't do and we go with what the Oh, it's just a guideline. It's not really a rule then, is it? Um, again, the guidelines pay grade for that answer. Um, let's pretend like we want to do that. Let's pretend that I want a record and you're going to give it to me. Okay. Right. And I just got some records for you, right? And let's pretend that I didn't want to pay. Would you be like, "Okay, it's cool." Um, no. I would offer a a digital version. We don't charge for that. Oh. Um so I can get a body warden camera non not on a um like a 3x5 floppy. I don't have to do anything like that. Right. So I'm being summoned. Can you if you give me a minute, please? Sorry. Yep. Okay. Yeah, you bet. I sorry. I'm I I'm I have a meeting, but that's what I was getting for. We're almost wrapped up and and um so and if you have to go, go. But um so the last question was, do you have discretion to not charge me? Uh uh are you forced to obey that ARS and charge me $43 an hour? $46 an hour? So the BWC that's that's a different again that takes a lot of time and effort. No, no, no, no, no. That's not the question. I don't have the answer. That's not the question. Are you forced to charge me $46 an hour? Um we when I get body warn camera, we follow our procedures and are you forced? I don't have an answer for 46. Have you ever given anyone leeway? Have you said, you know, you guys are in tough times? 46 is a lot. And it was like real fast and it wasn't a big deal. Well, uh, you know, I could say that like what's the justification for $46 an hour other than the ARS? I think what people mistake is BWC's people tend to think BWC has the crime on it for some reason. like they have all it is is the interaction that they most of them have already experienced when they were there at the time of the the response of the audit. Isn't that irrelevant though? Uh no, not at all. I mean I I guess it's I sorry I guess it is irrelevant. They can get what because you're going to charge 46 whether it is a crime or not, right? Um that's what we're we're our guidelines are currently is we can you go against your guidelines? What's the What's the uh what's the penalty for going against your guidelines? I don't have an answer for that. Let's try it. I'm I'm sorry. I don't I really got to get going. Yeah, you're dismissed. I Thank you. I appreciate that. You guys have a good day.