so I told them earlier I'm just here to do an investigation for the purposes of me my investigation would you mind giving your name so I can just tell my boss who I talk to I'm tro Miller Trooper Miller I appreciate it Trooper um so this report you're doing who is it going to and what's it for uh well I'm just doing investigation I'm not always told exactly what the investigation is about uh I am the guy on the bottom of the ladder right uh and I'm sure you understand that a lot of times you probably don't have a damn clue what you're doing you're just doing what your boss told you to do and that's kind of the situation I'm in right now and you said your name was Rick Rick and Rick do you have a last name you want to give no okay uh do you have a date of birth probably not going to give you any more than his first name it sounds but okay you just walk around asking people for their name and date of birth not everyone just you know when I'm told to so we got Rick at 5'9 and what was the weight again 150 150 yeah lbs you doing kilograms or lbs no lbs okay 150 lbs and what's uh what's good cont number for you hey what's up everybody it's James Freeman out here at the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety building I'm out here with news now OKC and Lee from uh gorilla Productions we're going to check things out doing a doing a little investigation here today my camera footage isn't that great because I had a discreet hidden camera I followed them in but tried to stay separate from them and acted as if I had no idea who they were when they walked in the building was open to all members of the public but when the staff saw that they had cameras they immediately started shutting the doors locking down the building and calling the police when they ask why they're locking down the building a woman says that because in 2019 someone came in and tried to traumatize the employees and therefore the building has to be locked down now what she was talking about was when news now OKC had come in with a camera in 2019 and the mere existence of a camera was traumatizing after they had denied everyone access to the building I then conducted my investigation I'm not here [Music] h no I'm I'm supposed to be meeting with somebody I think they're on the second floor oh I got to check in okay sorry I I I start to cry what's this what's going on here it's a it's a award contest for some kids it's what it's an award contest for some kids oh okay you need to check in over here if you want if you meeting somebody okay we are you with them no me with no no I'm who are you meeting uh let me find his name yeah cuz you'll have to come over here to check [Music] in pictures and and they said [Music] [Music] people there's some interesting art and Graphics in the building too true and that's why want to come look inside the building tax can I sit here while I'm writing and waiting for them is that thank you I just uh I'm getting old and it's it's tough for me to stand like that because of this event may may be difficult for the next I'm sure we figure something out I appreciate that um what we can do we can just avert any cameras or anything from the children or the kids or this event we don't want to disrupt that at all we just want to walk around and look at graphic on walls and do and the road so but you don't actually have any business [Music] here you're not here doing business you're just here to take pictures yeah pictures video of the of the building that we pay for and their stewards are yes we do we all do let me visit with her and figure out all right thank you thank you do you want your seat is this your seat NOP I'm fine okay what changed we used to come in here all the time am I you good okay the bombing security has tightened on every building which bombing because I came in here four years ago you talking about Timothy McVey yeah you know I had so I was a kid when that happened I was a little Chang right before 2019 when somebody come in here and traumatize employees somebody tried to what traumatize employes how' they do that traumatize the employees I think somebody they'll they'll they'll tell you whether you can or can't come in it's for the safety of the employees in here oh no we get it we're just curious as to why it happened we've got a State Trooper here so I mean it's a public building it's a unique building because of all the displays inside like the capital I kind of want to see the play now that's not what I came here for but that's what I want to do now this is a you have to have a special invitation to attend this what exactly I mean you told me it's like an a contest award what does that mean I'm I I'm very intrigued now that I'm into performing arts and get uh there's a poster contest every year for a calendar that ODOT puts together the beautification and they the kids enter and we have their Hing the winners that won for the next calendar year so these are the submissions okay guys of the ones that won so AES oh okay we're just citizens individuals yeah I've told him about this this building and taking a t of all the city the buildings in the central o area and I told him this is a neat place because of the road grer F where do where do I sign in to watch the play I just want to to play um I was supposed to be doing an investigation but I don't think the person that I was uh supposed to see is even here I've been trying to text him I don't know if he went out to launch or or what I'm need you to go you to go let them do their work are you with him no who did you no I I'm to get get up they said I could sit here while I'm waiting for them to handle whatever they're handling what are you here for um I was supposed to be doing an investigation here today who's your point of contact um I uh I don't recall his name I've been texting him to see if where he's at I think it work just trying to do my investigation just trying to do my job understandable yeah I'm sure you are too we're we're both just doing as we're told right but yeah and then I came in I saw these guys in front of me and and honestly now I'm distracted I'm I'm pretty dang add and and uh and now I got a play going on in there and I want to go watch that but um go ahead and see what get his name so we're going have to sign you in I'll have to esort you and everything oh okay yeah so go ahead and locate his name for me and then we'll get you to start the signning process okay okay I'm not going to lie he's an alcoholic I'm hoping he came in work today I'm hoping he got up like I see right here SEC building that's that's out ofate I don't investigator 3462 what's the name of your organization what's your name I didn't introduce myself who are you I'm Rick that is Ron Duran Rick Ron hey you know me okay I'm famous that's awesome so we're going to a tour we trip so why can't they get in right now but it's a public building and the public is allowed in the building right that is correct access but you're restricting the access what why other people in the public can come in right he's still not answering just leave are these guys about to a problem or something should I just leave you think or can I sit with you yall are safe right have body we really got to make you guys have body can have body we'll talk about that in a second they they know one of them right nobody with nobody we're all Americans uh my question is this look and I understand I like children in there and I'm all about not interrupting what you got going on with the kids but here's my question public can go in this build why can't we you can okay you absolutely can we're going to take you in the building we're just that meeting time but the public it's open to the public right now corre the building is open to the public if I came to you and wanted to tour your facility your house or whatever you want me to schedule that time right not see here's the thing though that's private property and not a government building where you have public hours and see here's the problem that we run into the problem that we run into is if the members of the public are allowed into a building and then somebody gets to say hey these certain members doing this certain activity that's constitutionally protected are not then what Isen the government is being able to do is decide what speech is acceptable and what speech is not acceptable well that's what you're doing because some people can go in and some people can't go out here's the thing what the law says and what the 10th circuit which is the federal court of appeals that we deal with here has said is that that the press and people have a right to record in publicly accessible areas of public buildings during regular business activities now they might not be able to exercise some First Amendment constitutionally protected activity with regards to speech that interrupts or interferes with the normal business activities that the active recording has been found to be at all circuit courts not to constitute something that can interfere with harass or disturb a government official in the performance of the duties if it's visible from the public so my problem is is that making a decision to restrict us from the building when other members of the public can go in the building I I'm not going to force my way into the building I'm going to accept your refusal to allow me to enter the building I would never force my way into something so you don't need to worry about that but I just want to document that this is a problem that you are restricting access additionally there are records that are in there pursuing to title 51 of the Oklahoma open records act I'm trying to get into the building to go seek payroll and other employment records uh related to this and see history employes I'm still speaking I want a lot of things I want a lot of things but I want open records for title 51 which makes refusal of that ad Miss so I just want to document all the things I'm here for I'm going to refuse to I'm going to accept the refusal we'll talk about it schedu time to come back and do a tour but but I want to point out that I'm going to take issue with this further with regards the denial and restriction of access so can I get your name first of all what's your name no what's your name you work for the public I don't you're I just get her badge [Music] gotell is this what the hell is this what this yeah huh this is why buildings are locked down because of guys like this huh why can't people just take no for an answer did you guys tell them no they can't come in you tell them they can't come in unless you have a reason a reason somebody to be because of the safety of employees now any St and there's a private event going on children with children here I'm not sure why we're I mean you do have to think about the children right reason I don't have Monday morning at 9 is not available so can we look at your schedule and see what other times next week actually you should arrest him for the misdemeanor it's arrest it's committed in your it's committed in your pres thank you for your information title 21 what what title 21 can I do a citizens arrest do I need to actually physically grab him to do the citizens arrest or will you just take him to you just write him a citation for viation theom they do this all the time off CI arrest so how do I so how do I do a citizens arrest under title 21 it says it says that I have to like physically grab them and take them to the magistrate but what I would prefer to do is you as a highway patrol officer just issue him a citation to appear in front of the magistrate so I don't to touch him I don't want to touch him he he doesn't seem like he bathes regularly you almost laugh there come on you can we can have fun with this right but it is a serious thing title 21 allows me to place somebody under citizens arrest it is a misdemeanor title 51 one of the Oklahoma open records act to deny public access to records during regular business hours of which we're here and I'm asking for records so how do we deal with that you schedule you Monday at 9: I can't be I can't be here at 9: but so we're going to talk about another time if they'll engage in the conversation about schedules for purposes of my lawsuit can I get you to identify yourself Chase TR yeah what's the badge number 421 yes sir okay thank you so much so can we talk about a time other than Monday at 9:00 can we back up a couple of steps we can back up as many steps as you'd like to okay so before you walked in we were talking about the times for the meeting you came in interrupted us I was trying to hurry them up to get them out of y' ha can I take one of these you wouldn't let them in the building sir if we could back up are these all the public discuss that's great what's a good time next anything but Monday really Monday is just packed packed packed okay and I'm not we're from Tulsa it's at 9:00 just be frank it is is not a very conducive time so afternoon afternoon Tuesday through Friday you pick a day and it'll work 1:00 2:00 3:00 us it's our favor he sir he's terrible sir he's terrible sir I'm with you my favor let's do 2:00 2:00 Tuesday we'll be here and you're ready can I get your name yes she told you it's Ronald can I get your phone number yeah sure can I'm going to 918 are you live CH no I was Tak I don't know you what are you talking about 91 name sir J really he doesn't he doesn't need to give it to you he's 918 you come you're just not going to give it to I'm just playing around I'm not going to give's not you have mine you have mine you get a hold you get fun it so 2:00 we're going to meet here on Tuesday okay 2 o'clock on Tuesday that you know there's a thing about that I'll meet you at 2:00 on Tuesday on the 2nd you the movie I'm talking about Bruce Almighty it's at 2:00 on Tuesday I won't forget that you movie all right get out of your ha man thank you I'll have a good one see I told you you didn't need more hypo see you see you Tuesday you wasted the call see you Tuesday wild building is pretty wild [Laughter] what's that no I just the play I was just getting some shots of the play all right thanks I like this sun she's is it she a sunflower are you okay M hey are you sir so I told them earlier I'm just here to do an investigation um and and for the purposes of me my investigation would you mind giving your name so I can just tell my boss who I talk to I'm TR Miller with trer Miller I appreciate it Trooper I'm I'm a slow rider Trooper Miller and it's m i l l e r i can see it on your tag there I appreciate it tro um do you have a first name that you want to give Chase what is it Chase Chase okay Trooper Chase Miller and uh is there an identifying badge number 421 I appreciate it um um you don't you guys don't wear body cams do you no sir okay and then I just I need to document everyone that that is uh talked to me just for my boss I mean if if they don't want to I'm not going to try to push it it's just that when I do my report and I turn it in at the end of the day they just want as much information as possible can I tell them can I tell them I'd rather not because I don't know who your boss is who you're reporting well I'm James I'm I'm James nice to meet you nice to meet you right you said you're from New Mexico I am so what brings well I I traveled here from New Mexico Meo I've only lived there for about 4 years before that you want my life story I'll give it to you I'll give it to you before that I lived in Texas for about 11 years Dallas area you familiar with rette yes I am are you yes sir okay so I live right on the edge of ret Rock Wall Lake Ray hubber when I I was pretty close to the paddle board place we'd walk down there and go padd so I lived there for about 11 years ran a business there before that I was in Tucson Arizona for about 20 years uh and before that I was born in Upstate New York and you said your name was Rick Rick I'm I'm James Rick um so this report you're doing who is it going to what's it for uh well I'm just doing investigation I'm not always told exactly what the investigation is about uh I am the guy on the bottom of the ladder right uh and I'm sure you understand that a lot of times you probably don't have a damn clue what you're doing you're just doing what your boss told you to do and that's kind of the situation I'm in right now um and so I'm just supposed to gather the names of everyone I spoke to here today uh if I can if they're willing to yes sir and Rick do you have a last name you want to give no okay okay Rick uh no last name and uh do you have a date of birth you don't have to I'm just look it's all voluntary probably not going to give you any more than his first name it sounds but okay did did you want I have to ask you just walk around asking people for their name and date of birth not everyone just you know when I'm told to I look dude I'm only doing what I'm told I thought this was you know what I mean like you think I want to come in and ask people for their information like I got to all I I got to eat you know what I mean I got to feed the kids I'm just doing a job and it's not I'm not going to pressure him Rick has a question yeah Rick can we do this another day right now we have a children's event going on we're creating a distraction for them that's cool with whatever it is you want to do but can we do it next Tuesday at two when the other guys are coming back the only thing like I said the only thing I was Sting here to do is there's a couple of tasks that I was supposed to do Rick uh no last name no date of birth right no sir okay I I just had to ask you say no and then that's and and you don't want to give your date I'm assuming do you want to give your date of birth okay I have to ask um and what is your what's your height Rick my height yeah not tall enough okay I'm going to say I'm going to say 5'8 is that damn you made me shorter okay are you 5'9 and like boy are you and I'm waiting for somebody to give us that answer and then what's your weight if you um come on Sir can we reschedule this you're asking me questions I'm asking you I I know you guys were talking to those guys day right and you're part of the same group uh no I've heard of them I've seen them I also went to another I thought this was Universal Studios I was coming here to ride the new Superman right yeah that's awesome we'll have it open morning yes so we got Rick at 59 and what was the weight again 150 150 yeah lbs you doing kilograms or lbs no lbs okay 150 lbs and what's uh what's a good contact number for you just come to the front to ask if you ever want to see front desk yeah right here okay do you have a card I don't have one on me okay and is there do you have a good mailing address no should I put this building down is it what's the address here 200e 200 what is it 200 noreast 21st 200 Northeast 21st is that Street or Avenue or okay and so if I send mail through to 200 Northeast 21st to Rick 59 150 PBS that'll go to you y do I need a last name on there no okay Rick Rick Rick Rick I'm going to put Rick Rick is that all right that's fine okay and uh what's and then just uh what's your uh last four your social 1 two 3 four 1 two 3 four okay do you want to give me the rest of it or just the last four okay so let me ask you so can we do this another day we have an event look you're not detained you are free to leave at anytime I'm not detaining you this is a consensual encounter you can you can stay you can go you know I'm I don't want you to think you're detained um so we can do whatever you want whenever you want um I I typically just look for voluntary compliance and cooperation with my investigations if you don't want to cooperate that's that's your right uh if at any point if if at any point you want to call a lawyer or a friend or you you're welcome to do that it's about trouble but again you're not in trouble right now no I understand that we can resched this for another so we're not I'm sure you would want the same thing for your own like I told you I am from New Mexico I don't know when I'll be in the area I honestly don't even know how long I'll be here so um I mean we can I don't want to put something on the schedule on no show on you end up being you know moving out of town for the next investigation like I told you I only do what my boss tells me to do so I don't even know where I'm going tomorrow or what I'm investigating tomorrow Alaska is that where they're sending me oh jeez it's still cold out there I told him I didn't want to go until the middle of summer have to up yeah you can like I said you're not detained free to go at any time are you guys done with everything you need here today um did we answer all your questions I think I just needed to get information from the ladies over here just if if uh everybody that I spoke to no okay everything is voluntary it's not a big deal I'm not going to let me back up a little bit I don't want to okay so I'll take doesn't respect personal space so I'll take that as a no on finding out okay you don't want to give a name or you don't need it if you needed it you would know no you don't okay we appreciate you coming here can I do an open records request at this desk right here in this Lobby then we can schedule it and that's well with all due respect an open record request I can do at anytime I'm not asking to be led in the building or anything you know what matter of fact I got paper here I'll write it down and I'll hand it to you fair enough we can do it Tuesday two well I can do an open records request anytime well no we scheduled one for two for the other you how you guys doday I'm James Chase Chase good to meet gosh do you hate paperwork as much as I do yeah I can't stand oh my god dude they let you chew uniform and you know what I'm pretty sure I don't know if they even do anything with this I think they type it in a computer you go into a system and and I don't even know where it goes from there probably be barred from Disneyland so I got Trooper once again Chase sorry uh what's your height height six foot six foot so we got six foot what's the weight 19 190 okay and what's your uh driver's license number you know is that funny hey I know mine by heart look dude okay so that's all you need my guy okay I got Chase Mass 385 6t 190 lb uh and what's a good mailing address for you 2001 Veterans Boulevard ardore Oklahoma that guy definitely has drugs on him he needs a cavity search is our contact number you 5 223 884 all right is that your cell phone that's troop F head troop F headquarters after getting the information from everybody in the room I sat down to do an open records request for the ladies who refused to give their information the next person who walked in the room saw me sitting at the table with a clipboard and assumed out of everyone else in the building including three State Troopers that I was the one in charge need to do an open records request real quick though hey how you doing today sir good I'm tourism you're from tourism yeah meet over here yeah go ahead and head right on in the door's not open oh it's not opening let me she'll be here in just a minute to let you in he doesn't work here bro