no I just want a permit to uh to be allowed to say that uh Little Rock City Hall sucks where do I get permission to say that that's what I'm I'm trying to give him two other numbers because I have no idea we just issu construction permits got this gentleman here he he would like to uh get a get a permit to protest how do that oh sure that's with our traffic engineering trafficking engineering yeah can I get you that number I didn't mean to put you on the spot it's just they're they're more than legal question questions they're constitutional questions and you said you served when yeah I did and we didn't have to read the Constitution when I served okay cool all you had to do was pledge fight enemy foreign and domestic okay if he's making any money off of these then you got an issue but when you're in a public building you can fil in a public place but if you start monitoring this monitoring it yeah which uh which law school did you learn the word monitorize at on September 18th 2024 Jeff Gray from the YouTube channel H year oath was standing outside of Little Rock Arkansas City Hall holding a sign that said God bless the homeless veterans when he was approached by Officer Jackson and officer Morris and eventually trespassed from the property for constitutionally protected Free Speech officer Morris completely fabricates a false story that contradicts what her body cam shows actually happened all Jeff did was stand there with his son but she claimed that he was begging for money falsely claiming to be a veteran and even said multiple times that he claimed to be a sovereign citizen which Jeff is not and never claimed to be I linked to the full body cam on Jeff's channel in the description below during the interaction the officers briefly mentioned possibly Heming Jeff up for not having a permit for his free speech so while I was in Little Rock recently I decided to go in to inquire about this permit to exercise rights for anyone who's new here no such permit exists or is necessary but I find the process of helping them come to this conclusion themselves fascinating how you doing sir good how are you uh I need to get a permit permit to uh for uh a protest um if you will message and the attorney name you're trying to reach someone will give as possible thank here should I just run up to the office I need to go to uh well I I don't know I think you I don't know if it's here I think it's uh right down the street uh go ahead uh you go ahead and go through um you know I what's he here for he's here for a a meeting what meeting um uh I don't know the exact me but I know they got oh okay is there a public meeting or no thanks for letting me know man he's the director of Fleet Services I know him but man I couldn't I couldn't tell you he he's a director hey uh we got a gentleman here he he he needs to uh get a permit to uh file a complaint does he do that here or does he go to plan no no a protest sorry about that to get to protest yes to get a yes the permit office is um on Broadway by across from you go get it but the actual office is right there on Broadway right ACR ch right right across from chick-fil but but planning uh let me transfer you over to permit this okay okay okay because planning is right down here at 723 West Mar I know that's where a lot of people go and get permits but that's from like building codes I I never uh never heard of someone getting a permit well I have heard about commits to uh I heard aboute hey Leslie this is security here at City Hall got a gentleman who needs to get a permit to protest does he come there we just issue construction permits here okay where would he go to get a permit to uh uh protest I have no idea on that one who who who would I call that's we have special events permit number here that I can give you that might be who you need I I that doesn't seem like the you think that's it U okay go ahead give me that solicitation permit said we just issu construction permit so I have no idea no I just want a permit to uh to be allowed to say that uh Little Rock City Hall sucks where do I get permission to say that that's what I'm I'm trying to give him two other numbers because I have no idea we just issued oh okay go ahead give me the numbers okay and the phone number is1 okay 379 379 815 or a solicitation permit is 501 371 4 568 4568 okay thank you uhhuh Deborah hey Deborah this is security down in the front desk got a gentleman here who needs to uh he wants to get a permit to uh protest where would he go I don't know hold on just a sec I have them call the city manager's office okay call Rachel okay 483 I I got you thank you ma'am if you could take everything out of your pocket sit up here in one of these bags baskets okay go through the here you go m m uhuh thank you for calling office we're not available right now if leave your name and number joh I'm going to go up here no want to come with you yeah I can come with you all [Music] right she was sitting there Miss Rachel hey how you doing good uh got this gentleman here he he would like to uh get a get a permit to protest oh sure that's with our traffic engineering traffic and Engineering yeah can I get you that number so you can call yeah them EXC Yeah well yeah we we Tred to reach traffic and Engineering traffic and Engineering yeah they do they do the permits okay would that be like a permit to like shut down the roads and sidewalks or something yeah you can do that you know people they do um you know they want to do a block party or something like that well what if I what if it's just a oneman protes and I'm not trying to shut anything down I just want to stand in a public space and uh I actually really just want to hold a sign that says Alla bless security sure I mean I don't know the ins and outs of that as far as one person but they know the rules that can tell you if you need that or not I don't know but i' check with them they're really nice okay traffic I just want to spread a message about all of bless security guards okay and uh I just want to stand there with a sign that just says all a bless security guards uh uh to the best of my knowledge I don't think one person needs one okay I would I would just check with the oh yeah well yes better safy than sorry that's what you came here for sure you know cool okay so I'd check with him okay what's his name it's just traffic engineering all right traffic engineering is there a specific name and like I said I don't know if I even need to talk to them cuz I don't need to shut anything down no no I would just double check but um just double check with that all right and if I don't need a permit then what do I do after that do I just do it I guess yeah I guess so I mean that's yeah I so I don't know the ins and outs of that attorney but I would just say check with him okay cool thank you thank you all right so I'll just call this number right now is that cool to to uh to the best of my knowledge that should be all you have to do and uh to to to get it you know I I thought that if for one person it you probably wouldn't need one but then again it's better to call that number to be safe yeah okay so if I call him and he says I don't need a permit then I can just stand on on the public steps right here then and just hold whatever sign I want then you can okay it could say anything like Alla bless security or to to the best to the best of my knowledge uh God bless homeless veterans maybe to the best of my knowledge you can okay could it even say uh I don't like cops that I don't know how about um just what what you how about what what if it were to say the police I don't want to say it too loud no I don't know about that cuz uh that kind of reminds me of that song or something they got in trouble about that okay what if uh so people are worried that the that a draft might be coming back again so what if the sign were to say the draft uh sir you got me on that okay I don't know okay should I ask the guy at traffic engineering maybe uh they should know I guess because they they do give out the uh the permits okay cool all right thanks Neil no problem I'll just sit right out here and make the phone call I guess thanks [Music] Neil okay what was that about huh was that about me she was did you sign I told no oh okay all right thanks Neil yes sir good morning traffic engineering hi traffic engineering how are you doing good how can we help you um I'm uh I was down at City Hall here uh trying to apply for a permit to do a a a protest and not even so much of a protest test but I just wanted to hold a sign that says Alla bless security guards okay let me get you over to Justin he's the one that handles our permits just one moment okay thanks you're welcome traffic engineering hi traffic engineering how are you what how are you I'm doing well hey I'm down here at City Hall I was trying to get a permit uh wanting to hold a sign on the steps of City Hall that says Allah bless security and uh uh I was told that I need a permit to be able to hold a sign on the steps of City Hall and I was told by them and given this number told the you're the guy to give me the permit to hold the sign that says all a bless security okay um is it just you by yourself yep just me Department what's that you don't need a permit oh okay are you sure yeah yeah anything under 20 people there's no permit necessary uh the only time we require anybody to have any kind of a permit is if it's 20 or more people okay 20 or more people Gathering has to have a permit yes sir is that even if uh they're not blocking any public roads or sidewalks no no like if you're on private property you're fine what if we're on public property but we're not actually blocking any roads or sidewalks uh well if if it's gathering over 20 people then yes it is required by us um you know it's obviously something that could possibly be ticketed I'm not sure I'm not a cop uh if you didn't have one okay all right well I'm going to have to let my wife know that because uh she does a a park uh play group a homes School play group at the park once a week and they got about 50 people out there so that's well over 20 so I'm going to let her know that she needs to start paying for permits to gather with her friends on public property is this for like any kind of a uh what let me let me think so is it like an event kind of thing or is it just a group of people out hanging out well yeah you know they all call each other and say hey we've all got kids let's go to the park and meet so you know it's a they plan to uh meet together in public so we need government permission to do that right I mean sir I'm not here to argue with you and I'm not going to oh no I'm not trying to argue I'm just trying to make sure that we got all our ducks in a row so that anything that I do I you know really I only actually called about the uh about the protest that I wanted to do but since you mentioned the 20 people I was just thinking my gosh I'm so lucky my wife hasn't been locked up in prison for taking the kids to the park with friends and so I'm just trying to foresee uh circumstances that could happen in the future and try to make sure that doesn't happen you know what I mean yeah I do gosh I hate for my wife to go to prison for taking the kids to the park you know so I just uh where do I get that permit then for her to take the kids to the park oh you can get it from the parks department if you like parks department okay let me uh do you have a phone number for that let's see yeah I definitely don't want to argue with you I I came here to get the the the get the info from the experts and sir you are the expert you know or that's what I was told by City Hall so I don't get me wrong I am not arguing with you I'm trying to you're your F man here with me I'm just trying to tell you what is required from the city of L when it comes to protests and public events and things of that nature perfect um so the parks department you said would be where we get permission to play with friends at the park we don't have to have permission to play with friends but if you want to TCH parks department and you know see if they have any kind of stipulations then you're free and welcome to do so if I can find a number for you it'll be more than 20 people though at the park playing oh okay so that's going to fall into that 20 people thing right I mean that's what you want to take it as sure okay here let me let me go inside I'm outside of City Hall and it's kind of noisy out here depart hey hey I'm just using the table to write I'm on the phone with the uh traffic and Engineering okay sorry um so what's the uh parks department number uh the guy that you would need to talk with over at par should be Gardner bom number is 501 371 6849 371 what was it again 371 68 49 all right and that's Matt Gardner yes sir okay and I and I'll just give that to my wife because I don't I don't go to the park days but I'll just let her know that she's uh she's been breaking the law for a long time and she needs to get get her stuff together um what's that I mean she should have known you know it's ignorance of the law is not an excuse um so I mean she's putting the children in danger too what if they get arrested too you know more more than 20 people gathered there um yeah could be could be bad huh yeah I mean the police would have to lock up the CH I got an 8-month old baby I'd hate to see him in handcuffs for you know being number 21 at the park so how how many kids do you have uh six six wow between you're youngest is eight months uh youngest is eight months oldest is 16 years old oh man well congratulations on the new one and also on the others that's that's quite an achievement thank you yeah all all with one woman too that that is a blessed achievement then to be honest yeah so you can see what my concern is here when you said 20 people I'm going my gosh you know I love I love my wife and kids and you know we we hang out with a lot of big families and so you know just just three or four of our families at the park and people are going to be getting locked up and like I said I don't want to see my eight-month-old and hand I I understand that you're upset what do you mean I mean we know I I know you're being exaggerated right now it's okay like I know you're upset because City Hall is being the with they are um you don't have to have a permit for one person to stand outside with some that's what I'm trying to explain to you I am on your side oh okay um yeah that was that was initially what we were talking about so thank you for bringing me back to that it it is and then I I know you you're trying to prove a point how stupid it is that you have to have a permit to go outside and protest especially with a group for more than 20 people we both know that if you're at the park you don't have to have a permit to play with your family or your friends at a park okay no let me write that down no permit to play at the park if you like I could email you the city ordinance on Gatherings such as these that require permits okay is that's something that you're interested in okay yeah I mean it seems quite reasonable that if I was going to shut down a public Street or sidewalk you know hindering other people's ability of tree free travel it would seem perfectly reasonable that I need to get a permit that everyone needs to know ahead of time hey the road's going to be closed you're not going to be able to get through here um so is that is that what the law says is that what the is is that kind of what the city ordinance does say for the most part yes sir if if you're going to be kind of abstracting traffic of any sort of fashion of that this when you're going to need to have an application or a permit in all right so no permit for me to stand by myself on the steps of city hall with a sign that says Alla bless security I'm not going to require you to because like I said in our ordinance it says that if there are less than 20 people there's no parent necessary I can give you Sergeant Fulton's number who is the lrpd officer who deals with a special event he would tell you the same thing now as far as City Hall goes standing on the steps they may get a little you know upy I don't no I'm assuming so if they had you called me and you were in kind of you know the mood that you seemed like you were in when you first began talking so well I'm in I'm in an inquisitive mood you know like like I said I just want to make sure I obey all of the rules yeah I mean I understand I'm not the rebellious type where where are you from are you from here yeah really you sounded a little a little different accent born in Upstate New York okay that's where it was I heard words you said I was like that doesn't sound like Arkansas yeah yeah um you sound like my buddy from uh Canada he's from now that's offensive I you're going to need you're going to need a I'm I'm going to require you to get a permit to say something like that to me no some of some of the words you said sound just like him I was like from Canada no way um okay so uh no permit to stand there and hold a sign I was asking the security guard to clarify on a couple of things can the sign say anything for example um I was just going to hold a sign that says Allah bless security but I'm wondering if the sign said let me whisper this this is the first time I've ever said a bad word but just for the sake of of understanding can the sign say the police honestly I I mean you know First Amendment freedom of speech I don't see why I couldn't now would that be looked down upon I'm sure but you know if if we're getting into constitutional laws I don't think you can be censored in what you say okay but then again I'm not a lawyer so I mean I really couldn't help you there okay cool well I'll let the people at City Hall know that I called everyone I'm supposed to call to get a permit and they say there's no permit and they say that I can you know just because I'm a free man in the United States of America that I can stand on those steps for a sign that says all of bless security and the police yeah do do do what you need to do man but all let me let me walk over to the security guard give you any trouble saying that you do need one you can tell him to give me a call okay I'm actually right here next to the security guard so what I got in touch with the permit people I got you can you hear him on the phone right now I heard him okay so he says I don't need any permit or any permission whatsoever to stand on the steps of City Hall and hold a sign that says Allah bless security I don't even need a permit or anything hold a sign that says the police so my good to go ahead and do that then cool all right awesome all right we straight all right cool you good Mr Springer yep okay well I'm glad we got that covered for you and I hope you have a blessed day you too thank you thanks sir byebye yes um so just to kind of finish things up I had a a buddy that was out here a couple weeks ago holding the sign that said God bless homeless veterans uhhuh and he was he was kind of bullied intimidated and then uh well you know I uh go ahead okay can I can I just get him on the phone real quick and he just wants an apology from you and the the police can we do that real quick then um um if you if you want to uh hold a sign up you can okay but now if you talking about me uh talking to a guy apologizing to him yeah because I didn't tell him he couldn't hold sign up okay I guess he was trespassed from the steps of City I didn't the police took him away from here okay you didn't ask for that to happen there's right there's a police station right down the street okay so to clear it up then you didn't ask them to trespass him then I I didn't uh I didn't tell him to lead the property okay that was all on the police nobody at City Hall did that um I'll just leave that alone I'm I'm not going to be on Tik Tok saying something you know I mean look we all make mistakes he's just he just wants to we just I'm a veteran myself cool you know I fought now when the when the when the police to the best my knowledge asked him was he a veteran he said he was is he a v yeah is he yeah where' he serve at where did he serve yes I don't know you don't when you get him on the phone asked him get him on the phone right no no I don't I can't have conversation with him cuz I'm working oh okay you know but uh you could leave him his number and I'll talk to him you want to call him I'll call him later on not when I'm on duty though okay okay um was it someone in City Hall that asked him he'd be trespass was it the city manager I can't remember no it wasn't the city manager because she wasn't even here okay you don't know who asked him to asked for him to be trespassed you talking about something that happened you you could talk to them well they they said that the people at City Hall wanted him trespassed that was what they said they said look it's not up to us people at City Hall want to be trespassed good we're good I didn't know he needed to check him in he didn't said it all he oh okay cool yeah he he goes through that protector he didn't set it off okay all right cool well yeah all I wanted to do is clear things up and see if you know see if you wanted to a if you you're saying you're not the one who trespass I'm not I'm not saying I'm well I'm not going to even get into that I mean cuz uh I do remember uh that encounter mhm you know and uh you know I I remember that encounter you know and I I've seen it on on uh you know uh the interwebs say again seen it on the interwebs uh yeah on the onlines M okay um but no if you would excuse me cuz I got people coming in uh if I can do my job can I do my job yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't want you not to all blessed security guards okay you know I'm not apologizing to him though okay cool no cool all right man uh it was Neil and what's your last name Neil that is my last name oh okay it's uh Stephen Neil Steven D Neil all right cool thanks Steven D Neil appreciate it man what's that I thank you but you still wanted a man trespass from public property for free speech served to protect his rights and then got home and violated him or what that kind of that kind of what happened there is that what he told you it's that's what it looked like to me I mean I kind of Drew that conclusion myself can I take care of these people here yeah I absolutely uh do do you guys want to get filmed that's go to do it okay what going Happ oh oh I just need to meet him uh Parks and Recreation so what if uh what if they didn't want to be filmed um you'd have uh we'd have to clarify that yeah I thought you served to protect the Constitution so you'd probably know everything about the Constitution wouldn't you the right to film in public don't you think he could you send a City attorney down here uh we got a gentleman up here ask me a bunch of legal questions about protesting and do okay we'll have a journe come out to okay I didn't mean to put you on the spot it's just they they more than legal questions they're constitutional questions and you said you served when yeah I did and we didn't have to read the Constitution when I served okay cool all you had to do was pledge to fight enemy foreign and domestic okay you you certain no okay no but you you would just there's attorney right over there yeah I was just trying to ask constitutional questions not were you calling me as to me do I want to apologize to a some guy about being trespassed you know and I didn't want to do that still that oh no no I was asking you when when you asked that guy if he wanted to be filmed I said well what if he what if he didn't okay well he's he's anney he can ask that question okay what's the what's the questions there was a gentleman came in here and I know he's filming uh probably put this on YouTube and everything people fam here and I was asking them that they want to be filmed I mean because he's filming if he's making any money off of these then you got an issue but when you're in a public building can film in a public place but if you start monitoring this monitoring it yeah which uh which law school did you learn the word monitorize yet well you know it's all right man you're good you're a little it's okay you're nervous well no I'm not really nervous but I didn't want to I don't want to confront you with this situation they're certainly not going to violate anyone's constitutional rights cool but if you're if you're monetizing you better with that word monetizing that's if you're making money off of this then obviously there may be issues if you're in a public building hey guys whatever you do on the live stream do not donate super chats do not donate money right now oh my gosh I could okay so somebody just donated $5 to me do you want to see it I mean do you want to see it the issue is and I cuz I'm not an expert in trademark or copyright and using public for for for making money okay and I'm not going to pretend to be okay and I'm not going to have someone I'm not going to say something that I don't I don't absolutely know and then youall come back and then make me look like an idiots but I do know that uh from my limited knowledge of it if you're going to use someone's image and you're making money off of it m there may be something there that's all I'm saying okay but as far as filming in the public building you obviously you have the right to do that all right uh I would please we would ask that you not har sure but I don't I don't think you're harassing anymore so are you just what is the purpose filing um well I came in here to follow up on some stuff and I was just documenting the process okay following up on some stuff finding out about uh permitting processes um specifically getting a permit to hold a sign that says Allah bless security sure and and the issue we have is he's filming there were a couple people that don't want to be filmed and I told him I'm not a trademark or Dr right kind of guy I don't know if you can film people and then I'll getd release and put them on YouTube and make money off of it I don't know do that or not but I think have a right to to being shown right but you know that's what pixelation for mhm so I mean uh like I don't mind if you feel me but I don't me I mean I know you old and ugly I mean y'all are going to make fun of me using the word mon monitorization I shouldn't have even teased you on that I'm sorry I mean I'm I'm I take this very seriously you know we we take your constitutional rights very seriously but we also take the security of the building and more people you know they want to be filmed or not be film name IM like this that doesn't really apply in situations like if you got stopped for a traffic and you fil the officer giving you a TI you know you got a right to do that that's but you're coming in to as you do to go through the process so I don't have any problem with you filming anything about going through the process it's kind of educational right but very educational and but yeah I and I'm not going to tell you not to film The People what I'm going to tell you is just got $17 in donations so I am making money at this very moment off of this now the the key is is that the only caution I will give you is if an employee says you know don't film my face and you can not do that or you can figure out how to pixelate it I would suggest you do that if you do film their face I think you got a privacy question for the employee in what you're asking for remember what I said though I mean if you stopped out on the street in the public RightWay but see this isn't the public RightWay this isn't the quintessential public forum this is a lied limited public forum Y and so with that caution I would let you go