[Music] I found out that they created the all cf's name to turn you into a monster a demon not a child of so you're no longer seen as a child of God it is to put you into their [Music] jurisdiction and welcome to facts or frauds yeah what brand oh TX TX right so basically the argument is your TX is not a motor vehicle well it's not an O ORV not an ORV okay um so I saw your response this morning I saw your reply to her response um did you see those by the way the reply all right so I think we've all seen the same paperwork okay um you want to hit some highlights of your arguments I mean my argument is pretty much the whole thing and like I said again this goes back here just trying to L us an RB and it's stct R think if I took a mon the truck up on the roadway that takes up both roadways can't turn make turns and roadway right the way the statues applied they could be and for instance they advertise like Ford Raptors and such right they they show them in all the commercials going up Mountain same Jeeps all the day they advertise hey take them all off road right so the way the statue's written they can just basically be like oh hey anything with a that looks like new pretty much any vehicle's capable going off road so any given time the way the statute is being applied to me um they can just any vehicle is capable of being fing off let me stop you though let me stop you that's actually a different argument so one argument is your terx is not an ORV the other argument is their ordinance or the statute they're applying is just too vague it's just unconstitutionally vague would you agree with me that's two different arguments I think they well absolutely absolutely but would you the reason I want to make sure we we're all on the same page because I think there's two different responses that could come and two different decisions that could be made would you agree with me okay so I want to take them one at a time then so first is well one would be your TX is not an RV doesn't meet the definition and the second argument would be and the definition they're using is overly vague okay so uh Madam PR you to pick one of those arguments let's pick one and we'll talk about one at a time certainly with whether or not just call TX just call H let's just let's make it specific to him the TX 12324 81122 oh give me that again I I was I was somewhere else when you started talking go ahead MCL 8111 sub U defines as a vehicle uh driv off-road reputation vehicle capable of cross country travel without benefit of a rad Trail on or immediately over land snow ice March swamp or other natural trains it goes on to give examples of what is included in and what are not included as here the uh utility terrain vehicle as circum solid labels that is an off-road vehicle uh exhibit a that I included in my motion is let me stop you I'm sorry in in your reply to his motion is that what your exhibit as okay go ahead manual B off-road vehicle off Highway use only this vehicle is not an all train vehicle it's designed and Equip to be a multi multi-use utility vehicle for off Highway use only using this vehicle on public roads and Page Services is hazardous do not operate this vehicle on public roads or page services in addition in exhibit B I included a relevant portion of the or handbook that it's found on the state of Michigan's website and it includes utility terrain vehicles as an ORV it also conveniently enough includes a photo of a near identical ORV that Mr Cel operated back in on feary third of the Year okay anything else I guess I can go further um Mr Cel then goes on to liken it to something like a Ford Raptor a Jeep monster truck um the multipur or a multi-purpose personal use vehicle use your personal family conveyance MCL 32481 one22 sub1 states that an individual shall not operate no RV that is not registered under the code Pond Street County Road or Highway um a Ford Raptor Jeep and a monster truck all need to be registered in order to operate um Mr not pulled over operating but because that or was not registered not have a license face um for that reason I believe that this motion should be dismissed and uh the people bring you their request for reg have an objection to that Ron well it's not an objection it's a response but go ahead well again the none of the registration or any of that stuff was even brought up any of it there was they slapped no RV on it because they were they had me held in a car for 45 minutes on the phones I a body cam trying to figure out what to even charge me with because I was pull over retaliation and that is what they pulled me over one was stated and put on there and going back to viability or the the not operating on highway it's referring to we purchas those I that B on used them they tell you that they don't they don't come they come stock to only go about 50ish miles an hour you can get a module to make go highway speeds when they're referring to high I saw that in your response the higher speeds that be reason and I think everyone do noway see how common these UTS are see them all over the place I got to shoot you down there though um because you you you spend a lot of time talking about that you see these all over that doesn't make them legal I mean that just bottom line doesn't make them legal um the fact the fact that some for example some communities just kind of like turn a blind eye to golf carts right that that's not necessarily saying they're legal that's just saying they're not enforcing them now that gets to your other argument which you know does that create an unfair situation but that's I just I got to tell I got to shut you down there because just because you see them doesn't mean they're legal um but let's get back to that language you used like I gotta find it oh okay do not operate this vehicle on public roads or paved surfaces I understand your argument is they're telling you to stay off the highway with a stock tering but they didn't say Highway they said not safe for public roads or pave surfaces that's what they that what so I'm I'm just they put on bicycles wear elbows knee pads and helmets right say I understand public without helmet I understand that's your take on what this means but the clear language says don't go on paved surfaces yes CLE language same with the manuals for again dirt bikes motor motorcycles right yeah that's still legal for people to drive around homes all right because it's a liability issue that's why they put it in there so people do with something so my understanding is that if you jump through the Hoops if you go through the process it's possible you know you might have to add some equipment to your TXS or whatever um but it's possible to get some of these vehicles registered as Road worthy with the secretary of state that's my understanding you know if it's got and I I made a list you know if it's got a it's got bumpers at the pr correct height it's got windshield and wipers and rearview mirrors if it's got all this safety equipment then you can get it registered and put it on the road legally is that is that your understanding well no before again before see happened Sergeant Bryce was no no no no hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on I'm talking generally I'm not talking hold on I'm not talking specifically to you I'm talking generally speaking do you agree with me that there is a process that the state of Michigan has that you can take something that may be an off-road vehicle and you can go through steps and have it roadworthy and registered as such with the state of Michigan do you understand do you agree there's a process for that um for certain vehicles I would say yes specific they are already equipped in so Road ready okay again you go back to disclaim this because they put in there it's a disclaimer for then why isn't why have you not registered as a vehicle with the state of Michigan Sergeant right I said num both to me and my wife at the gas station right where I got pulled over well previously to this and even talked about it we had a conversation about at the gas station the BP c m he instructed even told me you're well with him he said this two of times and then I relay this to officer um I wrote the ticket yeah right and then when I asked him the second interaction I had my asked dude I need to get you I which is part of the body came I'm still trying to get a hold of these things because I have to take them to court for it because they with holding body C image where I asked him hey I need you to get here clarify this he told me I'm not I'm not getting pissing match and drove away so all right stop there hold on hold on hold on hold on do you is it your understanding that there's a mechanism by which if the safety equipment is there then the vehicle can be registered with the state of Michigan but it's my understanding that these specific town of municipality needs to adopt or identify certain roadways that then they are then able to operate on um as far as I know that Township umon doesn't have any that are safely permitted I do believe that hold on hold on hold on hold on you're telling me if the state of Michigan registers it as a motor vehicle you guys can still say you can't go on your roads I believe it is County owned roads or um even though the state says it's a motor vehicle because that's my understanding if the state let registers it as a motor vehicle that's what they're doing after all the safety equipment is there but at least for limited use So like um there's examples in the statute that talks about for limited purposes of um say like parades or something to that fact hold on hold on hold on I'm cuta I'm cutting well would seem to me that the Township's got to get off its ass and do something with their ordinances on reg I mean if the state's out there authorizing people to drive these on pavement and you guys just haven't decided where they can and can't it sounds like the Township's got to get out in the board even look up there when that's to be honest didn't even exist what doesn't exist I'm sorry trying to charge me with the code they gave they said it doesn't even exist that could it up brother you keep throwing new arguments I'm sorry hold on let's not get there yet let's not get there here I'm make a note so you don't forget to get there but don't get there yet I'm having trouble figuring out how the township can tell somebody they can't operate a motor vehicle that the state of Michigan says is the motor vehicle I am not specifically prepared to argue that only because Mr cel's wasn't registered so it has no bearing on whether or not it can operate but it can be so well don't give don't get me started with that I mean all right so let's talk about the fact that they've charged you under an ordinance that doesn't exist my paraphrase of your argument yeah I've been trying to cl bring it up too I've been trying to find it doesn't the code decied doesn't even exist all right hold on hold on hold on hold on let's let me get to the paperwork I just one fact I wanted to throw hold on hold on hold on don't don't don't do that you're confusing me make your notes so you don't forget all right so if we look at the ticket Offense Code is 257 311 authorization code is I don't know what that is 00003 yeah is that I'm I'm reading it 0000 Z3 um so I guess let's get a clarification from the prosecute what what is a specific ordinance statute whatever that the ORV on roadway is being prosecuted under on adopt code which I reference to but I also stated in my motion um that let me I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry to interrupt but the the reply that I'm I'm looking at for today yes all right so so let let us both know where to find that yep my final argument final my argument timately the violation ml 324 81122 and here on stship ordinance 5064 which I do have a copy and it is on and available 36 okay do could you provide a copy of that to Mr Cel you only have one copy Z that's all right Mr celle and I can share it yeah probably helpful Mr celle why don't you give me let me have that for just a minute we'll make copies so then you've got a copy I've got a cop you got a copy for yourself Council I don't let's make a couple copies of it all right so while we're waiting for those copies I would like to also add here um to make this even more interesting the Tom is doing um police chief uh Robins hold on hold on two heing there's some sort of conspiracy against him uh when in fact you were here today for operting or the roadway back in February uh if there's any conspiracy it's one that Mr helle orchestrated himself okay what hold on because I I think your objection might have been a little bit premature I don't even know what he where he's going so what's funny about with the ORV thing is because please CH Robins we know him for person his my dad same thing he even contact my dad and had asked him you see here here ask him to call have me call him because he couldn't call me for legal reasons and when he said he brought up and goes you know man you can't have an he trying to work out he told him to work out a deal with me he so my phone and that's simply not true it's very true text well okay well hold on neither one of you were in on the conversation so you sit down let me hear what he's got to say so I called I called ever me called me back and he started off saying no can you and I both know it's not justv and then he goes on to call and he goes oh well you can't have a motor vehicle so then he flipflop the terminal okay down there as well but but what's I don't mean this to sound kind of sending but what's the point of that story just that the original stop because there's confusion yeah right that's why they kept me the car so long because they were trying to figure out what to even do and that's up right right so that's where this whole stat is trying apply to my situation okay all right okay I don't I don't doubt there's confusion I mean I'm here I'm here okay um all right let's get back to the paperwork you got a copy now Mr Cel all right so Council if you can show us or direct us should say to specific language where the Township's hanging its hat sure so it similarly uh identifies the definition of an ORV on the second page ORV or Vehicles is that where you're reading okay and then it goes on to States is are you going to prohibited activities I am yes 564 s is that where you're going all right so just so we're clear so he knows what he's defending against it's 5064 s is the prohibited activity and 506 three would provide the definition that you're trying to apply to his terx and word all right Mr crusell now at least you know exactly what language you're fighting okay back show even jeeps and trucks they're they're advertised and sold and shown as recreational vehicles Offroad and everything this allows this would allow the township or the state to just at any given time be like oh hey we don't like we don't like you so here we're going to S with an for any vehicle that's capable going Offroad because that's just what they want to claim it as I mean this is so ambiguous it's but I think her argument a few minutes ago maybe more than a few now was but all of those are registered but that's not what was the issue with Annie that's not when I was even knowing even brought it up at the time that I was arrested and stopped none of that stuff I was just stopped in retaliation I was in charged for any of that stuff no one brought it up and again going back to it I was previously told I was awfully allowed to do what I was doing what do you think the retaliation's about um because I had 200 with this officer he a new hire and what happened was this all stem from the fact that our neor oh just bad blood between you individually well I I guess so because I didn't even know him for a whole year prior this it's even in there it's even in their notes and everything that my neighbor kept calling say we're reckless driving with our kids and it's even how the thing that he was intoxicated almost every time he's calling and they stopped coming out you offic of price even said we're not coming out mess with you guys we're not doing nothing wrong and this go until this new H KCK shut up and I told him I was like dude you need to go talk today you got to go do like this has already been taken care of this guy keeps calling you even told that the um the who's Le when they call in freaking dispatcher dispatcher putting the not several times the guys's intoxicated just making calls and that's why they stopped coming out I told him this and then but again it was the next day after I told him D you need to go get your supervis get your supervisor here please face Sol that's when he told me I'm not getting a pissing match in left I know his body cams seen it and that's why part still part of the body cam I'm still trying to get but they won't they won't give me and there's still other parts and stuff that other body cam I know's missing I'm still trying to get a hold up because this again this was and then uh Tom officer Smith they're in body cam even talking that they were perp all that officers is it SII or yeah that he was purposly watching he's in the on the phone talk about this he's also on the phone with ever a couple other officers trying to figure out applicable laws because he didn't know they arrested me based off something he thought he could arrest me on it wasn't even the rest of the offense and he come the only reason he found that out was because he had call the Foy lady Evans and that's what and that's and then the the original officer me he couldn't even finish filling out the citations officer Smith who was his supervisor had to get in the car and finished thr out and that's what they end up because he on the phone the whole time trying to figure out what to even put on the thing Char to him it's been an orchestrated event the entire time up to how especially shows even more that there was collusion how I got an unsigned order and all this stuff sent to me was more just threatening and intimidation and that's what unsigned order yeah in the very beginning I got a default order unsigned didn't have oh no brother no no brother hold on hold on stop stop stop I gotta say this I gotta say this listen that's just timing that that nobody from here on Township called up here to one of my clerks and said screwing him it's just it's because it happens all the time when there's a misdemeanor tracking people forget to deal with this we got a speeding ticket you're in theault in right now I've from people work in the department that people are always conversing between the judges and prosecut but I'm I'm telling you right now that none of my clerks defaulted you to try to cause you trouble it's in the computer and it happens all the time the misdemeanor case is tracking it slower and you don't you don't realize you got to do something different with the Civil infraction so a default ater I I'm just tell hold on hold on I just I have to tell you there's no conspiracy against John that default that's just the way happens it's just because the computer tracks things differently with misdemeanors and civil infractions and that's all that's all fixable um okay anything else that we didn't talk I mean I cut you off a couple times saying don't give me a new issue at this point anything that you want to bring up I mean that's I mean I got pretty much all arguments are being I mean this CLE what's going on with a body cam he claim you can't get body cams he was also reporting this incident himself so he well that's a different issue though part of discover part of Discovery is he's requested body cams you're saying provided those he filed at least 10y requests Township um including any of the stops or any of the Citi complaints that police have been called out to um but also including his wife's traffic stop I'm not getting into all that but you have provided him body cam footage of interactions you're talking on top of me Council you have provided him body cam footage of interaction between he and the officer that issued these tickets yes all interactions you don't have them I know for a fact there's couple of videos missing all right do you have dates of incidents I do but I don't have mess up with me that's all part of my my um lossing thing of filing for the circuit court for the fo law stuff I got all that stuff organized at home for that but that's stuff that you think you need to defend yourself here well if it's not that's okay well I mean also no no I just need to know because if you're if you're prepping your if you're prepping to defend for trial and that's Discovery you think you need then I'm GNA order that they provide it well not here okay all right so you don't need that to prepare for this case now there there's motion here no no no no no the underlying charges against against you oh I would absolutely need that if this is okays forward then then we're going to need you to provide dates so you want you want body cam footage if it's if it exist exists from interaction between you and officer so and so for this date and that date all right sure go ahead been given all those my he initially appeal uh the foer which went to the township supervisor the township supervisor ackowledge the redacted portions were Le material and return that to Mr Fel he then appealed the appeal which went to um my office and be confirmed again that the the only redaction to ARL material I think he's appealed us twice more um so it's not relevant for portion of it are are you saying you never got the the body cam footage or you got the body cam footage and things were redacted oh that those are part of the issues too there's body cam stuff that's and that's the problem is there's all sorts of stuff that's redacted in body cams and in the reports and other stuff missing okay hold on hold on then you acknowledge that they've sent you those body camam uh footages so for those the interaction between the inent before specifically the one I want and I know was missing is the one before he pulled me over but the day before he pulled me over okay I asked prior to these tickets being issued there was an interaction between that officer and yourself that you've never seen the video no the body can't foot again do you know whether or not that's been submitted all right but now you're talking about Foya stuff I'm talking about that body cam that's all I'm talking about is one body cam okay all right but you can't off top of your head you can't give me that incident date no that was all right all right so submit a formal request for body cam footage from that date to the prosecutor she can look she can check it out see if it's been submitted to you prior she can tell you when she can resubmit it she can file a motion with me and say I'm not going to submit that because and we'll go from there all right that's that one specific issue agreed okay all right let's get back to your argument Mr Cel that um the language that we just went over is overly broad or vay let's let's hit that again so is it the definition of the ORV that you think is overly broad oh basically accompass anything they said says any vehicle capable of cross country travel without benefit of a robo right and that's any vehicle I mean any you can even take a smart off the road if you wanted to essentially I mean then that's what I mean the way he just reads they can just apply that any time they want to any vehicle whatever they want if I'm but if I'm understanding your argument let's I drive an F150 all right so we would probably agree that we could take that off the road commercial so you're is because they could write ORV on a roadway for that means this statute or this ordinance is overly brought all right except they can't because the state of Michigan has licensed me to put my F-150 on the road but again at the same point M can be the same thing but it's not licensed it can be it can be and I I would really I would like to see you do that because then I want to see how they're going to keep you off Road State of Michigan said you can put that on the road but again the whole reason that they're trying to dance around the whole thing because they they they didn't bring up none of the registration I know you're getting back to the confus right they're trying to use the definition of ORV to I get with the whole you know you sat in the car 45 minutes they decide what to do with you I get all that okay and that's problematic for me too but I don't find this language to be overly broad because there's the licensing aspect of it that that narrows it there's that conflict there right that's also shows the ambiguity right so you're saying that if I want pay tax stand for something now all of a sudden it's not this but then they're trying to cling it's this so how does a tag all of a sudden make this not this doesn't make sense hold on you lost me all so what they're trying to claim is anv but if I magically go get a tax standpoint on it right register it now it's automatically just so now it falls under yeah that's ex but hold on but hold on it's it's not just about the money and Believe Me Brother I'm the first one to think I'm the first one to to jump in the bandwagon with you about the government grabbing money all right um I fight that here but it's it's more than that because let's just Pi pick the specific example of an ORV I could build myself a doom buggy right completely manufactured I couldn't because I'm not handy that way but I mean you know what I I could get tubular stock and build a frame and I could grab a motor uh an engine off of something else and fabricate a drivet train and I could have something that I could take off you know go through the trails and the um uh Hills would you agree with me no no but I mean I'm just like build it from scratch right I'm Henry Ford I built it from scratch and it's out there running around but if I get it registered as a motor vehicle by the state of Michigan they're putting their rubber stamp of approval on it saying it's safe for me to put on their roads there's a safety issue not just a money gra and that's the way I'm looking at this because from my little bit of research if I got to find it if I want to go through the process to get my manufactured vehicle roadworthy I've got to do I've got to have tail lights I've got high and low beam headlights I've got to have um uh turn signals front and rear I got to have a rearview mirror the state of Michigan is checking all these things off before they license me or register me to put it on the road and they're saying they being the state of Michigan is saying it's safe to get on the road with the F-150s that you and I dve yeah but again you're giving example building something the thing that my my vehicle already comes equipped and built manufactured that but but here's the here but here's the difference here's the difference I can guarant you that if somebody did the time took the time and research what these roadworthy requirements were state by state they would be different there'd be similarities but they'd be different so for terx to sell it and say it's roadworthy they're not guaranteeing you that it's legal in Michigan they can't that's why put those dis on other stop I'm not done with my argument that's where the registration process comes from the individual states saying yeah crusel we think you're ter is legal on Michigan roads that's the whole part of the process that changes from just any old any old thing that that they decide they want to ticket somebody because they had it on the roadway they could claim it's an ORV no they can't because it's reg my F-150 your F-150 it's registered by the with the state of Michigan as a motor vehicle I.E legal to be on the roads that's that's what k your overly broad argument is because it's a process by which it is no longer an ORV it's now roadworthy because the state of Michigan is registered as such but again the state of Michigan is arbitrarily trying to convert everyone's ready to travel by saying that's a different argument that's a different argument I get where you're trying to go with this I understand that but again you look at this definition and I was not no one said again this all goes back to I was not cited for no registration I was not cited for insurance none of that people is even brought up it strictly the ORV that they're trying to stick to Again by going off this definition that can be any single vehicle in the world anything that they want there people going off well but but here's my ruling here's my ruling because there's a process to register Vehicles whether not their orvs F-150s whatever they are because there's a process in the state of Michigan is to register them as roadworthy I don't think that's overly broad language because I think you you can't read everything in a vacuum so my ruling is on that motion my ruling is I deny your motion that it's overly broad I don't believe it is but I still have I still have problems with the way the whole thing went down I'm and I'm trying I'm trying to figure out how to deal with that because and I I think I've told you this from the beginning I get it matter of fact I think the first day you were here I get it you've had interactions with here on Township police officers that said you're you're good and now all of a sudden this guy says you're not good and here we are I mean that's that's that's blatantly unfair whether or not it was accidental or by Design it's still like okay that's not fair but that's the way things happen all right um there's not a hell of a lot of there's a there's a distinction but you know if I drive 75 miles an hour on uh 275 every day and I go by three officers here on officers and they don't stop me cuz I'm only going five over but the state stops me and writes me for going one to six over it's kind of unfair but clearly I violated the law you follow me depart it's apples and it's apples and oranges right which is what I told you way back when it's like hey I get it it's unfair but the tickets were issued we got to go through the process and deal with hold on stop stop stop stop that's what I'm trying to do I'm trying to deal with this I'm trying to deal with the unfairness in the process okay right I get what you're saying but again if I was charged with this in say Flat Rock and I tried pulling this her on told me then I get that oh absolutely you're argument is much stronger in hereon absolutely and once again I'm feeling it okay I told you from the beginning I get it it's not it it's just it's stinks okay do you know what the process is to register the T to put it on the road I give States processes to register Vehicles how long would it take if you know I don't have a clue that's any part of if if I was looking to do that I would but again I've been confirmed that I had my lawful right to travel by several different including again this all STS from the the traffic sergeant in on telling me that I have the to do what without doing so I don't have any intention well what do you think the chances are of him coming in here and testify to that I don't think that he would incriminate himself so your plan your plan on is gas station so you're going to issue a subpoena to him for trial and his and his fan or girlfriend because she was also the one relaying all the information to my wife about the same thing so yeah I I would absolutely both of them come here I have a wholeo people in there are you willing to register the t uh it helped resolve things I I remember you was pointing out that she would like to have a traveling argument if I got brought into no no don't don't go that don't go with the traving argument to to resolve these issues would you be willing to register vehicle with the state of Michigan the TX um not at this point no okay again there's other arguments that I I have lots of stuff to show where the conflict with that is too but again that's not what we're here for what do you think we're here for RV and ro we're not here for registration none of that stuff that wasn't part of no no I'm but I'm trying to resolve issues okay all right because I'm not just going run around and make this big deal with here on I I'm not a criminal I know criminal history I was just doing something I lawly had the right to do was confirmed L right to do and then now here we all are dealing with all this and I'm being targeted by people that and I've got good friends that work in the department I we've been uh again we've known ever part of now all of a sudden here's what I here's what I here's what I'm hearing I'm hearing you want your trial because I don't I don't think anything else is going to satisfy you other than to get trial be dismissed should have been but you you don't have a legal argument that that I can hang my hat on to dismiss it I had all sorts of all sorts of legal aspects to show that the whole stop the whole beginning of this was like not off stop he never even argued that Pur you've never hold on you've never filed a motion to dismiss for lack of lack of probable cause in the very beginning and you dismissed it saying I find col just because she I have all the reping oh you did you did yeah you did because I said you're going down the roadway and you're doing something he thinks is illegal gives him a right to stop it yeah but again that goes back to the point already we had interventions and he chose the rity is instead of going to talk to a traffic Sergeant who's above one right who who is ahead of their traffic who's the one that confirmed that I had already do what was doing hold on hold on who is above Sergeant PR and he confirmed that operating ating roadway is that's why very sitation yeah you don't think it's GNA be problematic if price sits on the stand two different times I told him he could do what he do also S I did make uh contact with Mr all times notifying him that he was not to operate or in the roadway and during the stat Mell himself said I was waiting for this okay well I'm just going to tell you right now if if price sits there and says on two different occasions I told this guy that he could operate that vehicle on these roads I can't see any try or fact convicting him of the RV that's true why me have here for our child I don't know because I there's all sorts of issues that all my Pap I've been filing There's issues a whole entire time I had no intentions of doing any trial and I sat here the other day when I said not par ipating especially in the trial that ends in the court that owned by the state you're owned by the state let's talk about that let's talk about that hold on let's talk about that because I I I highlighted that when I got your motion um last week or whatever it was okay um that it's that's not the that's not the case okay you're on Township let me finish you're on Township is bringing the charge against you it's the township of hiran versus you it's not the state of Michigan says one of say the state of Michigan against it's a separate legal entity and and you know you know who Neil Gorsuch is Justice Gorsuch he's even coming out in uh the ranking Center even talking about how courts like these that's what they're doing they're denying people their rights and they're they're being they're only bringing the charges and judging their own cases that is exactly what it is you can't have a fair trial that way absolutely not and not to mention all right well let me stop you let me stop you that's the way our system is at this point in time that's the only system we've got is where the Judiciary runs the courts the legislature creates the law and the executive branch enforces though that's the system we have if you don't like it work to change it but that's the system you've been charged in and that's the system you've got and with the sh Defence case being overturn that explicitly stops then all of deferring to statutory you know all this stuff the statutory stuff all right you're you're getting but you're getting nowhere with any of those arguments Mr celle you're not going to get anywhere with those arguments at this level so the only thing you can do is get a get a a judgment here that you can appeal to the next level and appeal that to the next level and ultimately you may end up at the US Supreme Court and have somebody agree with you but you can't that doesn't work here we've got to deal with what we got I've got to deal with the precedents that we've got in place now not your arguments that you think are going to be accepted down the road that's the reality all right you and I can sit down over a a cup of coffee or I don't drink coffee but whatever and talk about how there are you know problems with the system but the system we have now is the only system I've got to work and I'm going to work it so what I'm hearing from you is we got to get a trial date and let you get a decision if you win beautiful you can stop there if you lose you're moving up the appeal chain because none of the arguments you've got apply here your travel argument I'm not buying that that's never been accepted anywhere that I know of that I've got any um reason to follow I told you st they've been doing it for very long say that again the St is the state is going and trying to take people's right to travel and saying it everybody has to have these license and all absolutely and that's but hold on but hold on it's wellestablished law might be changed somewhere down the road but currently it's wellestablished law that if you're traveling by means of a motor vehicle you have to have a operator's license thanks for federal codes state this is not a federal court sir this is not a federal court go back to show again another ambiguous statute okay look I'm not going to argue this I've already argued this with you I've made it clear from day one that your traveling argument dies it doesn't go anywhere in this court so stop arguing that it's not going to get you to where you need to be which is to resolve these files one way or the other so you can appeal it if you want to you follow me well you're very Welling take it yes you no it's not where I want you to take it's where you have to take it because we're not going to we're not going to have these same arguments and inite them over and over and over again we're going to close these files at some point mon but that's be because you want them to doesn't mean it's G to happen that way I'm not going to dismiss these just because you don't like the way things went down I don't like the way things went down but the process has to be followed as much as I would like to just make this go away I'm not gonna agree with you just to make the case go away it's very odd things put place no it's but once again Mr Cel you you it's obvious to you but you're not the guy up here in the black robe that's making the decisions it's obvious to you because that's the only way you can see it and I get that right I get it it's your position you're passionate about your position but where you're where you're losing it is you just you just won't accept the fact that I don't agree with you I'm in charge and it's got to move forward that's just the reality of it and once again man I hope you appeal it I hope you make some new law good for you I mean so now we need a trial date but once again I don't care if you object listen to me listen to me it's not being dismissed that means we have to try it to make it go away that's the way the process works again how one supposed to get again you yourself and I've watched you numerous other videos okay have some make yourself you know you're on Tik Tok all over the place and I see the things you say to everyone it's very obvious and you yourself is even admitted to seeing things the same with there is no way that I would ever have a fair trial any Rel should formal and you're that's that's that's absolute once again just just because I happen to agree with the prosecutor or any other party in a case doesn't mean I'm biased against the other party at any point in time I've got to make a decision somebody's right somebody's wrong make it seem like you're not but it is exactly how the prosecutor and his course they work together it's all by the state then once again Mr cressell then you need to appeal my decision when I told you I was not going to recuse myself you should have appealed that but we can't we're not going to keep plowing the same field I'm going to set a trial date and you're going to be here for trial or I'm going to issue a bench warrant that I don't know any other way to resolve the file I've got to resolve these files you need these files resolved if you want to appeal me you got to have a decision to appeal okay so you know you keep sitting there and say I'm not going to participate in a trial it's some point you have to if you want these to go away and hear my heart if I knew of another way to get you to where you want to go i' I'd throw that suggestion out there but once again I'm not just going to roll over and say okay case dismissed because I don't buy your legal arguments which is again which is wild to me because it's very clearly that this o thing is being overly applied because once again it's overly it's clear to you I just told you I don't agree with you but you can't accept the fact that I might disagree with you that's unhealthy I mean you can you can believe I'm wrong that's okay but you got to accept the fact that I'm in the Judgment seat and I've said you're wrong then appeal me that's the way the process works I understand you think the process is faulty but that's the process we have so if you've got some other way to resolve these files a suggestion I'm open to hear it but the only thing I can say is we got to get a trial scheduled and let the chips fall and I'd love to have you bring offer price in here because I I told you from the beginning I believe that inadvertent or not otherwise the township of hon kind of set you up to get the ORV ticket because I believe that you've been told in the past that you were okay I believe that 100% but I can't I can't do anything with it here put price on the stand and he says I guess I was wrong because I told him he could do that so what are we going to do you ready to set a trial have no other option there is I I don't know of any other option Mr cell I honestly brother I don't know of any other option well I mean again because I can't keep kicking I can't keep kicking the kick ticking the can down can down the road I mean I can't have this you know I can't retire down the road and still have these open files here I mean I'm not doing my job and I don't think it's doing you any good what's it going on year and a half now closer to two coming on two no it was February 24 24 yeah all right so you want a bench Trail you want a jury Trail all right you going to represent yourself okay let's get a date can you do January 30th Thursday you what day was it Thursday yes all right so you're going to send the prosecutor an email with a specific date for that video you're looking for or that body cam footage I should say right okay no further motions we're going to trial well the only other motion I'll entertain now is if it's the discovery motion understood Mr Cel all right questions all right good luck she have a bench you got a bench more for something what's it I'm miss me I case number you got it yes all right we can get you a case or a court date for that ma'am um Mr cressell we've got a a speeding ticket that's got nothing to do with this incident I think from August 2124 isation stff okay who was that officer a okay did Marl have anything to do with the other ones hold hold hold on Merl didn't have anything to do with the Fe February incident did he not okay all right so what are you gonna do on this once again it's in default because you didn't do anything with it no one Wasing anything to my paperwork what' you file on thisall there none none of that does anything that's that's more of the that we don't we just ignore that stuff so you want a hearing well if you want him to prove it then you ask for a hearing you don't just file paperwork give me a date okay okay well you don't you don't ask the clerk if she wants to set a date if you want if if you want to fight a ticket you say I want to contest this ticket I need a hearing so do you want a formal hearing date I'll give you a formal hearing date all right you want do that before the jury trial you I have any formal hearing dates coming out um we can do it on De 10th we keep it December 10th you hear me I'm sorry yeah just my regular Tuesday you mean it's a Tuesday yet yeah that's all right so for here what time did you do it December 10th do 1030 she's here all morning so I'm asking you 10:30 and that's on the speeding yeah the case enter ending in 143 yes okay then the other civil infraction is the CCW disclosure thing that's going with the February you understood that usually after yeah understood that was a yes all right anything else folks denied motion to dismiss denied although I did like the argument so will we move yeah yeah yeah yeah did you get a notice for her yes she's got a notice Miss Cel your your benchmark has been set aside yeah and so there you have it yep it all worked out in the end you see and thanks once again for hanging out with unfactor frauds make sure you hit that Thumbs Up Button you're subscribed and ring that Bell also leave a comment in the comment section tell me what you [Music] think and a major thank you to all our facts or frauds channel [Music] members if you'd like to become a member just hit that join button right next to subscribe or click on 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