On the morning of February 18th, 2023, just before 8:00 a.m., Officer Bennett was dispatched to a disturbance on the 500 block of Jefferson Street in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Little did he know what he was about to find was going to be a blood soaked story no one could have predicted. >> Who is injured and where are they? >> Where is the other person? >> Uh, she's right there. Right. Is it just the three of you? >> Okay. >> Help me, please. Please help. >> Yep. Ambulance is downstairs. >> 403 can come up. >> [ __ ] >> Everything's calm with >> Where are you hurt? >> I can't. I'm getting laded, bro. I need help. >> Where's my brother? He's downstairs. >> Can you tell him to call my dad, please? >> Have you got shoes or something? You can >> They're downstairs. >> Okay. >> Please. >> They're coming. >> We go. We got to go. We got to go. I can't see. >> Yep. Medics are coming upstairs. >> This turns out to be one of the strangest first encounters in true crime. The victim is clearly in pain, but the officer isn't rushing. Instead, he's trying to gently interview this woman named Morgan Lond. Something about this scene is off. The cries for help are real and desperate, but the spotlight is on the woman here. The threat is mostly prioritized over the wounded, but do you think the officers should have helped them first, or was securing Morgan the right move? Is this your stuff? >> Yeah. >> Do you have an ID in here? >> Um, no. It's in the car. >> Please help me. >> No. Please help me. >> Please help me. >> Please. [Music] >> I'm going to follow the snow tracks. >> Hey, what's up? >> How you doing? Upstairs. >> Yeah, they're coming down the stairs, so be careful. Okay. >> The man bleeding in the apartment is Morgan's boyfriend and the father of her child. As paramedics proceed to give him medical attention, their baby is being held just a room away by Morgan's brother, Ethan. >> This gentleman holding the baby. Talk to him. Correct. Okay. >> What's going on, man? >> I'm freaking out. >> Okay. Is that your sister? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, what happened? >> Um, I'm just sleeping. >> You were sleeping. sleep in. I just hear screaming. I thought they were just fighting like no and it starts getting loud a lot. What the hell >> was he screaming back at her? >> It was kind of like a I don't even know like get off me. Help. >> I I just got >> And that was him saying that. >> I don't even remember. Okay. And open the door. >> They're on top of each other. >> What do you mean on They both were on top of each other. He was like on top of her trying to take the knife out of her hand or something. I don't know. >> Okay. So, okay. How was she positioned? >> Like when you say when he was on top of her, was he like straddling her? >> Yeah. He like had her wrist down >> and then holding her wrist like straddling her like that. >> Okay. >> And then >> was he bleeding already at that time? >> Yeah. >> Where was he bleeding? Where'd you see >> his arm and stuff? And then I see in the couch. >> Help. Go over there. I don't even know. She's That was like when it was ending. >> Okay. Was she saying anything at this time? >> She's just freaking out. I don't know. She's saying she doesn't know what happened. She that she was seeing stuff, having a dream or something, and then realized it was real. >> Okay. Does she suffer from mental health? >> I think since she's had a kid cuz they >> that's their kid. >> Yeah. And then >> it begs the question, could postpartum really unravel someone like this? Postpartum disorders exist on a spectrum. On one end, mood swings and weepiness. On the other, fullblown psychosis, delusions, hallucinations, and a detachment from reality so profound, the people you love can become the people you fear. Call the cops. >> Okay. So, you think since she had a kid? >> Yeah. I mean, >> does she do any drugs? >> No. >> Does she drink? >> I mean, she goes out with her friends. >> Okay. But no illegal drug use that you're aware of? >> No. >> Okay. And you're And that's niece. >> Yep. >> Okay. And you live here with those two? >> Uh, no. Well, I stay here and at my dad's. >> Okay. So, where do you get mail at? >> Uh, my dad's. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Hi. Trying to say, >> so you were in here. You woke up to screaming. Okay. Was were they both screaming? >> Yeah. Both. Yeah. >> Okay. And you It was coming from the living room area. >> Yeah. Right on the couch. >> Right on the couch. Came from that area. You walked out. Where did you stand then? >> Behind that uh >> island. >> Island. >> Okay. And he was on top of her trying to take a knife or sharp object out of her hand. >> Yeah. I don't even know if it was in her hand still or not. >> Okay. But he was bleeding already. >> Yeah, he was bleeding >> all over. Okay. >> So, I freaked out. >> Okay. And >> as soon as he kind of got control or something. >> Okay. >> And then I didn't know exactly at first what's going on. So, I'm like, "Okay, >> I need to call the cops. What What needs to happen?" >> And then afterwards, she told you she doesn't know what happened or doesn't remember anything. >> Well, not that she doesn't remember, but it's like she's saying like she's basically going to have control what she's doing something. Okay. >> I'm not sure. I didn't I was calling you guys. >> Okay. Did she say it might have been a dream? What? Go back into that. >> Yeah. She She's kind of saying like she was like as I'm calling you guys that she was dreaming or something and then like uh seeing something in her head. I don't really know. >> And you? >> That's that's where he stays. He doesn't live here, but he stays here. Yes. Um, >> and you said that she might have some mental health issues since she's had a kid. Explain to that. Have you seen a change in behavior? >> Um, >> I think just a bit of maybe postpartum depression maybe or >> but but you've seen a change in dep change in personality. >> Um, >> maybe not a change in personality, but >> sit there. She uh >> You're not getting me in those, are you? >> I'm good. No. >> Okay. >> They got a lot a lot of relationship problems. >> Okay. So, >> okay. So, this is this fighting minus the actual injuries is not uncommon. >> No. >> So, they argue a lot. >> Yes. >> Are they physical a lot? >> No. Just verbal arguments a lot. >> Okay. >> Boyfriend. >> Yes. And that's their kid. This is uncle. This is female's brother. He sometimes stays with them. He doesn't live here. Doesn't get mail here. >> The house is clearly in chaos. You can hear it in the background. This moment shows you something raw. It's a scenario of familial paralysis. The kind that makes you ask what just happened here. You can notice different officers are trying to piece the story together. >> So, but he didn't see you did not see the actual cause of the injuries. No. >> Okay. And where does baby sleep? >> I mean, I can room. >> Yep. I can probably figure it out, but Okay. >> Officer Roberts is now going to join the group outside where Morgan is still talking to Officer Bennett. >> I just felt like my heart was beating really fast. >> Who are you saying stop to? >> I got finally on me. Look at my hand. >> Where is that? >> Somebody start taking photos. The weapon is right here. >> Scissors. >> I got to go with the victim. This gentleman hold the baby. Okay. >> Morgan, can you tell me a little bit more about >> No. >> No. [Music] >> And why is that? Keep going. >> Why? Why are you saying no? I don't understand what you're reacting to right now. >> Are you just scared about the situation or do you not want to talk to me? >> I want my dad. I want my dad to come here. >> Okay, I understand that. But you're you're an adult. >> So, I need you to make your own decision about whether or not you're going to talk to me. Okay. >> What >> What do I need to tell you? the questions that I was asking. What kind >> I was I was sleeping and then I don't know I was like half awake. I bring her out here every morning. >> Uhhuh. >> And I mean I've seen the same thing before but I've never done anything like that. >> You have seen the same thing before. >> Okay. >> So far the only thing officers know is that Morgan has been seeing something. Is this a lastditch effort to cover up evidence, a narrative she's rehearsed, or is there really something wrong? >> Have you ever had any kind of medical treatment for anything like that? >> Have you seen a doctor, a psychologist, counselor, anything like that? >> Too embarrassed to talk to anybody. >> Okay. >> But you don't remember coming back out. But you do remember seeing something. >> I was like, it was like in my head though and it wasn't real. That's when I was like, "What is going on?" I didn't know what was happening. [Music] >> Can you describe for me what you saw? >> I was like, >> I don't know. It was like something >> I thought I saw something that wasn't happening, >> right? [Music] I'm going to ask you to do a favor for me, okay? Can you come over in front of this white wall so that my friend here can take some pictures of you? >> You just put your arms over. Thank you. >> Hey, can you pull open the other way? You're not cut anywhere. >> No, I was trying to stop him from bleeding. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. So, whenever you see these things, >> um, how do you feel? >> I I just felt like my like my heart was beating really fast. I was really scared >> and I feel like some like completely somebody else. >> You feel like somebody else. >> Not even me, Emma. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. I don't want to hurt anybody. >> Oh my god. I know this is an incredibly difficult situation, but I just need you to be patient for a little bit longer. Okay. >> Have you had other things that you don't think are there like you're where you're hearing voices or >> not really hearing voices? >> No. >> And does the figure ever speak? It's like like makes noise like dark noises, deep voice, but not like saying anything. >> Okay. >> Clinically, hallucinations like these are not unheard of in a postpartum psychosis or schizopffective disorders. The brain under extreme hormonal shifts or trauma can invent threats that feel as real as flesh and blood. [Music] Ethan. >> Ethan, where you going with that? >> I'm bringing to my dad. >> Uh, just >> Yeah. Just Just can you just hang tight in the bedroom for me? [Music] >> Thank you. We got to So, here's what's going to happen. We got to figure out what we all got going on here and then uh we'll go from there. Okay. So, just hang tight. I'm going to close this door a little bit. You don't have any weapons or nothing in here. All right. Just hang tight. I feel like somebody else describe what big or small >> like a like a blob. >> Like a blob. >> Like a blob but like a finger. I don't know. >> The house is in complete disarray. Clothes tossed and belongings scattered. Looking at this scene, one question lingers. Could postpartum psychosis or hallucinations alone truly drive someone to do this? >> Oh my god. >> Or is there more to Morgan's story than anyone's ready to admit? >> So, I don't know like what was like real and what's not. I didn't know if I was dreaming. >> But it's usually >> I would never do that. I would never do that. Yeah. >> But it's usually that same sort of dark figure that you see. >> Yeah. But it's like it's like some it's something in my head. It's not like I don't know how to explain it, >> but when you see it, your heart beats really fast and you you feel afraid. >> I just feel like like something's taking over me. Like I don't know. And now it's like everything's normal. >> Where did you get the scissors? >> It was right It was right next to him. like go looking like >> when I came in he was sitting over here. [Music] >> Ethan, she's hungry. She needs a bottle. Ethan, >> in the middle of the chaos, you hear a baby crying. It's symbolic in a haunting way. Both the baby and the mother are crying. One innocent and unaware and the other possibly in guilt and confusion. >> I will stay in here with her. I will watch her and then uh I just want her up there so she doesn't roll off. >> Yeah. You want me to put her up there? >> No. No. What? Leave her on the ground. Yep. Go make a bottle. Hey, little one. >> Nobody else in here, right? >> Correct. Uh uh Tyler, you checked for anybody else? Okay, >> I know he was walking around back here. >> Ethan sticker. >> Mom and dad are outside. >> Okay, >> so here's what's going to happen. We're going to >> I think I can put this on with this loose. It's like not sticking. >> Hold on. Let me see. It's easy to overlook the quiet acts of decency in a crime scene. But here, amidst the trauma, a first responder tended to the most innocent one in the room. >> So, here's what's going to plan. You're going to take the you're going to give your niece to grandma and grandpa, your mom and dad. You're going to come back to the police department. >> We got to do a recorded interview. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> You're not you're not under arrest, >> but we have to interview you in a recorded interview. Okay. Due to the nature of the the crime, >> basically like what we did. So, I took the verbal, but now it has to be recorded. >> Okay. >> All right. So, you're gonna drive and meet me at the PD. Okay. >> Uh, just go. You know where the front lobby is? >> Yeah, it's the front entrance right off of church there. Just pull in. I will meet you up there. Um, I have your phone number. Otherwise, I'll call you. But, please meet you there. >> I grabbed all the formula that I could find. There's two bottles. I'm sure you guys can kind of figure it's been a while since I've had to use formula. Long time. Uh Ethan here. I had her and him change her and stuff like that. She probably needs a bath. I >> think she's a little year, but uh put a new diaper on and >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Yep. Uh he's going to meet me at the police department. I have to do a recorded interview with him. He's not under arrest. Okay. >> But I just made sure he was present during this. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. figure out. I don't know. >> Chris, I'm going to go back and meet him. He's going to drive his own car to the PD. >> Okay. [Music] >> Ethan, my boss, wants me to drive you. So, just meet me, the front squad over there. >> I got to talk to my dad before I go. >> Nope. I got it. I'll be right in that car. >> Yep. >> Right now, on my Patreon, you can watch one of the most disturbing scenes ever recorded on an interrogation room surveillance camera. It's a combination of desperation and carelessness that resulted in something incredibly shocking. This video is not suitable for sensitive viewers as it is extremely unsettling. You won't find it on YouTube, but you can watch it and many more exclusive videos on patreon.com/strangerstories plus obviously. So, we have an assessment center going on downstairs uh for new hires. So, that's why >> Yeah, it's normally for like family interviews and stuff. So, so I'll explain one second. So, I'm going to have you write the written statement. Okay. Exactly how you told me it. You know, you you were sleeping in the in a spare room. You woke up to yelling. From there, you walked out. I mean, be descriptive what you heard during the yard yelling. Then you went out. What did you see? Be precise. Be accurate of what you saw, where you stood. um and what where you stood in relation to what you saw and then you know put in there that when he was on top of her he was you already said he was bleeding already uh pretty bad right um what what your sister said to you when you were on 911 you know or something along those lines of uh I had was dreaming I didn't feel like it was my felt like something you know what what did she He told me she didn't have she didn't she made a comment to me that she didn't have control and possibly dreaming stuff like that. Okay. Uh I'll read it over. If there's anything else I needed, you know, you to add in there or be more descriptive, I'll have you. So, um I'm going to have you write this in a second. So, I just want to touch base that you were sleeping. Nobody else was in the apartment. You woke up to Were they both yelling? >> Um, I mean, it happened pretty fast. >> Okay. >> Cuz I like as soon as I heard him yelling, I instantly woke up and then got super loud super fast and I just instantly got up out of bed and opened the door. >> Okay. And then you when once you open the door, you walked right out, stood behind the island facing that couch. >> Yeah. >> And were they both laying on the couch or like >> it was like uh Well, yeah, they were both on the couch, but she was kind of like on on her back like this and >> up against the edge here. >> No, there's no edge on there. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. And he's on top of her. >> Okay. Like this. >> And you didn't see anything in her hand? >> No. >> Okay. Okay. Something on her right hand, but I couldn't see. I don't know. >> Okay. All right. Well, that's fine. And and Ethan, I'm not I'm not busting your chops here. I'm not um try imple indicating you as any problem. Okay. You're you're you're witness. You were present during a pretty serious incident. Okay. >> I mean, are you doing okay? Just freaking out. >> Yeah. >> Heart's pounding. >> Yeah. Okay. You don't need Ethan to cry or scream to know he's overwhelmed. His silence says it all. It's written in his unfocused eyes, in the way he stumbles over sentences. He's young and has been thrown into something terrifying. And even though he's trying to keep it together, his fear is practically shouting through his calm. >> Um, this won't be too long. I'll take you back. You get in your car and go with mom and dad and and your niece. So, and that was your mom and dad. >> Well, that's my stepmom. >> All right. I'm gonna at least start out with the first part. Okay. So, I started it for you. Oh, I cooked it. So that I on 218 to 23 I Ethan Lond tell me where you were at what address and then from there you know where were you and once you're at the address what city then where in the residence were you and what you know I was sleeping and just going into a story telling >> say Ethan was sleeping at in the spare bedroom at 514. >> That's fine. Yep. It's just telling a story and be descriptive. >> Yeah. You're smart kid. You got it. Welcome to our job. I might even have you, you know, you you I when I asked you out on scene if there's any behavioral change, you know, towards the end, you know, be descriptive of what you've experienced with her >> since the baby was born. you know, things like that. You know, towards the end, but get get the main points down. Like I said, it's just a it's a timeline what you were doing. Kind of piece it down. Once you walked out, you stood behind the island. Then what you what did you see? What did you hear, you know, paint a picture of what's going on, you know, and what was being said? And like you just in just chronological order. It's it's it's like doing a research paper, right? >> Yeah. We'll get a new page that way. It's not here. You can hand me that one. It's carbon copy, man. I haven't uh just start obviously I'll fill all this in. Just start there. Yeah. Just uh just say you could talk about some of the behavioral changes or emotional changes you've seen in your sister because you're around her a lot, right? >> I mean, fair amount. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, yeah, just going to some of the things that you you've seen because you mentioned like postpartum. Has that been mentioned with your dad and stepmom, too? >> Yeah, I mean, she's talked about it a lot. I just don't think uh I think my dad was trying to deal with it. Know exactly how to deal with it. >> Okay. Well, most guys don't. I mean, we it's a form of depression, >> you know. Um, but we don't get it cuz we're not, you know, um, able to give birth. But, um, there I didn't see I didn't look for any wounds. >> Yeah, I seen she had a lot of blood on her, too. So, I didn't know. >> Yeah, there's a lot of blood. >> It could have been wrestling or something. >> 19. That's how many times the scissors met Morgan's boyfriend's skin. 19 distinct wounds on his back, chest, face, and hands. This wasn't a momentary snap. It was sustained. Calculated or manic. Either way, it was brutal. Again, it begs the question, what drove her to attack her boyfriend like that? Morgan and her boyfriend had been in a relationship for nearly 3 years before parting ways a couple of months prior to the incident. Despite their breakup, they continued living under the same roof with him taking the couch while she kept the bedroom. According to his account, there was no argument, no confrontation the night before. But the next morning, he awoke to a nightmare. Morgan was attacking him with a pair of scissors. In the midst of the chaos, he managed to wrestle the weapon out of her hands. Dazed, Morgan claims she had been dreaming and didn't realize what was happening. At his request, she brought him a towel to stem the bleeding and then quietly uttered a line that would haunt the investigation. I don't want to lose custody. >> Okay. So, but no time and I want to be clear on this. Um, >> should I put that in here? >> Well, just hold on. I I just want to be clear, Ethan. Like, I know it's your sister and I just want to make sure that you're not not giving me everything. And I'm not saying you're not, okay? Hey, I want to be clear and I'm not saying you're lying, okay? I just want to make it clear that if you did see her stab Ethan at any point, I want you to tell me. >> Yes, I would tell you. I didn't see anything. >> Um cuz it this is a a crazy situation, you know, like this isn't your normal like he's cheating on me or she's cheating on me normal relationship problem. Like this something else happened here, you know? This is something. >> If I would have seen her stabbing him, I would have ripped her off of it. Okay. >> Okay. Cool. All right. Um, let me take a look. I just want to make that clear and I want you to understand that I'm not saying you're lying. >> Okay. I got to ask these questions, you know. So, when you asked them to call 911, you went out. You did. You went outside, right? >> Outside. >> Did you go all the way outside or just uh >> Yeah, I was standing outside the first time. When I came out, it was like I stepped outside of the room and he was on top of her and then she stood up and I'm like, "You need to call 911. You need to call 911." Freaking out. Go outside, stand outside, get down 911, come back upstairs. I go back outside, get dressed, go back outside again, talking to the girl, wait the officer to come, ask I was walking to the house, officer like tell her to get a towel, give her she like you got to put a towel on his arm or whatever it was. And I'll stand outside until the officer comes. >> Okay. All right. Hang tight. I got to figure out where our detectives came in. We'll see what they what their wishes are. Okay. We got one up at the hospital and then one here with your sister. If the detective doesn't need to speak to you to right now and gives me the okay to take you back to get your car, that's what we'll do. Okay. This is I was told to come up here because of the assessment center. >> Okay. Um and from here >> Yeah. Yep. >> And it's here where things begin to shift from emergency response to investigation because soon someone's story is going to be questioned and someone's version might not hold up. >> Any issue? Your sister like fighting, arguing, anything? and just arguing. >> When was that? >> Just every once in a while trying arguments. >> Just normal relationship stuff or >> anything like yesterday or this morning? >> No. >> Last night? >> I don't know about anything leading up to it. I I've been in Florida. I came home. >> When did you get home? >> Well, Wednesday night. >> Wednesday. Okay. So, when did you get home? Last night then? >> Uh 11. Okay. So, you guys all kind of came home around the same time? >> Yeah, but I never saw him. >> Okay. They in their bedroom or? >> Yeah. Well, I'm pretty sure he's sleeping on the couch. >> Do you know why he's sleeping on the couch or >> just cuz they're arguing? I'm guessing. >> Okay. So, they're arguing a lot then or >> uh I don't know. I think they're just breaking up or something. But they only argue like I don't know when something goes wrong, I guess. I don't know. >> Okay. You know why they're breaking up or >> I don't think she feels like he's treating her like right. >> Any issues with uh her thoughts on how he's treating the baby? >> Not that I know of. Okay. The immediate reaction was to blame the unthinkable on the invisible, which is postpartum psychosis. And yes, it's real, terrifying, and often undiagnosed. But is that the whole story here? Because when we dig deeper, the cracks in Morgan and her boyfriend's relationship go back far before the baby. He had mentioned it several times before that Morgan had been abusive, and their arguments were a daily routine. In fact, threats were common, too. They were never about killing him or attacking him this way, but emotional warfare was routine. >> Um, so you talk about her postpartum possibly or that's what you're seeing. When did you start seeing this? >> Um, probably ever since I came home from Canada. Seems different. Getting emotional talking about it. She's brought it up not just to me, but my So, was she talking about that before the baby was born or while she was pregnant or >> No, I never really seen her when she was pregnant, but >> Okay. >> Not that I know. >> So, after the baby was born, what was she talking about? >> Just uh whenever we would be hanging out or whatever, meet her and her boyfriend and like if she would get sad or something, she would bring it up and with it. I didn't know if she just saying this or what, but she definitely started acting different. >> Can you can explain what that what that acting was or >> um >> just like maybe her mood overall and how she's going about her day and not being as active and just really showing her emotions, I guess. So, uh, and I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying. Like, is she kind of a flat effect or is she really emotional or what? What is it that you're seeing? >> Um, it's like she'll be crying out of the blue or something or yelling, which is just stuff I've never seen. >> So, kind of out of nowhere, she just start crying or angry, emotional, >> and so she's discussed postpartum. Has she gone to a doctor about it for? >> I am not sure if she's ever gone a doctor, but she's told me and my family members about it. >> Okay. Has she talked about seeing images or things or anything? >> I don't think so. >> No, >> just today she was saying she was seeing something. I heard her when when I was in the spare bedroom after all the cops and stuff. I heard talking to one of the cops saying she seemed >> Have you seen or heard them talk about breaking up or what that status is? >> Yeah, I mean they're uh definitely breaking up like I think their uh lease is up in I want to say June first maybe and trying to get their own apartment I think. >> Okay. So, they've basically broken up, but they're together at that house because >> co-arent thing right now or something. >> Okay. And how long has that been going on that they've basically broken up and decided they're going their separate ways? >> Uh, I mean, it's hard to tell because they're so on and off, but I'd say definitely a solid one that they've been distant. >> Okay. got more roommates. >> As the conversation winds down, the detective takes a moment to clarify the road ahead. What's going to happen next? And more importantly, what isn't happening? Ethan's not under arrest, and he's not in trouble. It's a procedural briefing, but it serves another purpose, too. That is reassurance. After all, when you've just lived through a horror show in your own home, the last thing you need is legal ambiguity piling on the trauma. >> I'm going to be talking to your sister. I've been with her. Um, she's okay. Uh, she talked to your dad. Your dad's actually going to come down and sit with us. >> Okay. >> Um, he should be here maybe 10 minutes or so. >> You are free to go. Um, however, the house is kind of off limits for a while. Okay. So, we have it locked down. I'm going to have to get a search warrant, just process the scene, and then we'll get you back in there later today. Um, it's just a time thing for us. So, it's going to take us some time to do that. Wasn't too hard, was it? >> No. I I could tell you're you're shaking. Um, this isn't I mean, he's he's got more he's more experienced. He's got more years on and and more experienced with the interviews and stuff like that. I mean, that's why he's there, but um it's not my first time either. Um I can tell young kid, you're a little little rattled. Uh it's involving family, people that you care about. Okay. So, I don't know. Like he said, he's going to go talk to Morgan some more. I don't know the outcome. I don't know. That's going to be his decision. >> Yeah. >> Detective artist. That's it. So, um, and then like I said, the house is locked down. Can't go in it, can't get anything. So, um, we're not going to grab anything for you. The house sits as is. Okay? So, when I take you back, get in your car, go home. Okay? Um, if you need anything from us, give us a call. if you need to talk to one of us uh for for any reason, you know, stuff that you you saw today. Kind of traumatic, right? Uh or treat it as a serious uh hockey incident. I'm sure you've seen some blood in hockey, right? >> Not that much, though. >> No, probably not that much, but you you've seen some, you know, head split open, teeth knocked out. Um think of it as something like that. But, uh you know, but if you need somebody to talk to, there are services provided. Um, you know, you can give me a call. I'll give you my card. Um, I've seen it all. You know, been here for 15 years. So, uh, if you need somebody to talk to how to process this or or uh or how to yeah, just process it and and you know, get through this, you know, give me a call. Okay. So, that's my card. Um, anything else? You know, talk, make sure you don't bottle stuff in. You know, are you close with your stepmom? >> Not really. >> No, you don't get along. >> I mean, we get along, but >> Okay. Just not close. No. All right. Well, maybe use her. Um, you know, close with your mom still. >> Yeah. Okay. >> She doesn't even know. I don't think so. >> Well, >> call her. Uh, does does your dad have any communication with your >> No, they don't really talk. >> Okay. Um, they probably will now in reference to this. I think they that would be the ideal thing, >> but talk with her. You know, don't bottle what you saw in cuz it'll it'll eat you up. >> Okay. >> Words like talk to someone or take care of yourself might seem small, but in the aftermath of trauma, they're grounding. The officer's final words are personal and in a way that might be the most important part of the entire exchange. >> You know, baseball is baseball. It's not as grueling, but it's a great game though, by the way. But >> but no, hockey guys, man. They play for the love of it, man. That's no doubt. So, um but uh yeah, get back playing, man. Go find it again. Get back skating and stuff. >> Okay. So, go play some juniors somewhere. Um, I'll walk you out. >> Now, it's Morgan's turn. And from the start, she's walking a tightroppe. She admits she's been in trouble before, but this is different. >> Um, so Morgan, because you're here at the police department, um, I have to read your rights. Okay. Um, after that, if you wish, uh, and want to talk to me, um, I'd like to kind of find out what all happened. Okay. How long you guys been together and such? Okay. Have you ever heard your rights before? Have you ever been in trouble before or anything? >> Um, I sold from Target for that. >> Okay. Um, do you have a general understanding of Miranda warnings or what they are or movies or anything? Okay. So, I guess uh pay attention, listen. I'll read these to you and if you have any questions, you know, just feel free to ask at any time. Okay. Realizing that you have these rights, are you willing to talk to me here today and answer questions? >> Yes. >> Do most people get lawyers that we're talking? >> It's I don't know what the I mean, it's completely up to you. Um I don't have any statistics. I mean, it's that's a decision you I have to make. So, these are the five that I read to you. Uh, this up here just identifies you and your information and me as a detective with Ash PD. Um, I asked if you understood those. You said yes. Asked if you were willing to talk to me. You said yes. If you agree with all that, you can sign right there. >> This is like saying that I'm not having a wife. >> Correct. But again, if you want one at some point, you can >> I don't know. I've never been in this situation before. I don't I don't know like what >> you can tell she's nervous but not reckless. She reads the Miranda rightites and doesn't just sign without thinking. If this was premeditated, her caution would be strategic. If it wasn't, then it's just refreshing. Because in a world where suspects blurt out confessions without blinking, Morgan is thinking. >> After that, I would like to um if you're willing to get a blood draw from you, uh I don't suspect that you're under the influence of any drugs or alcohol, but um I just talked to the district attorney and they adise that that would be a good idea. So we can do that by two different ways. One, if you consented to that, we would take you to the hospital. We would have that blood draw done. If you say no to the consent, then I do court order and I get a search warrant and then you get um I have a detective and an officer there. Um kind of what happens uh with him depends on what happens with you, so to speak. Um as far as what happens with you, um my guess is that In the end of this, you're going to go to jail for something. I don't know what. Um, >> I don't know. >> Well, okay. So, jail is we put you in there on a probable cause. Okay. That doesn't mean you're charged with anything. We put a charge down. Okay. On a piece of paper. >> You think I'm going to stay at jail tonight? >> You will. You will be in jail till at least Monday. That's what we talked about in the car when I told you that you'd be able to see your So, this is your dad's number. >> Hello. >> Hey, Dad. >> Yeah. Hi. >> Um, >> you're on speaker phone. Um, >> am I supposed to like get a lawyer, do you think, before talking or >> I I was told I was allowed to ask you. >> It's hard. I mean, I anytime I would say yes, but I feel like I mean, I don't mean to say this. that you've been having like stuff. >> I know >> it seems like you're not yourself, but I don't know what even happened over there. So, I think you you probably need a public defender because but I is it something that can get you right away because you want to resolve this if you need to go to a mental hospital or like get evaluated, you need to get that today. So, is it something you would they would be able to get you today? Um sir this detective artist um that is pro especially if it's a public defender it's almost unl uh impossible to do so um if you have private attorney that's not impossible but very difficult being a Saturday um >> right right >> but I would say it's almost impossible to get one here for her like right now or I understand that. Um it's I hate this because I know that she's having mental health issues. So I feel I'm I'm obviously worried that the when police arrive, they're looking at criminal right away when I know she's been having problems. So if I knew I I don't I don't Orin, are you there? >> Do you feel okay to talk to them about an attorney? Or would you want to wait to have an attorney? >> No, I feel okay. I I just wanted to see what you thought was best. >> You're not yourself. You're not You're not yourself. You didn't do this on purpose. >> And then I I woke up again and I was like half asleep and I was like seeing things but I was like I don't know. There's like something in my head that like makes me not who I am. Can I come there as her? Like she has a representative with her. Can I come there with her? >> Um, sure. If you want. >> Okay, I'll do that. I need to go home quick and then come back. >> So, as soon as your dad gets here, um, I'll come up to the front desk and then I'll go out and get him. Uh, as you've already read, you can stop the interview at any time like if you get uncomfortable or anything. Uh, it's not like it it works in the movies. The questions are straightforward. Um, we're looking to get one clear account of exactly what happened and, you know, why and how it happened. Uh, there's there's no, like I said, like in the movies, there are trick questions and stuff where they try to get somebody to admit to something they don't want to admit to, and that's not really how it works. It's it's pretty straightforward, and the questions are simple. So, you just want to make sure that you give uh the most accurate, most factual and honest account that you that you can for the questions that you choose to answer. >> This won't be on TV, will it? >> Oh, no. No. >> Well, to be fair, it's 2025. If it's not on TV, it'll definitely be on YouTube. I always am like just like kind of embarrassed to talk about anything that's like abnormal like if I'm depressed or anything like that like sometimes it down you know >> like I try to talk to him about it and he would be like the most part I'm like whatever I don't know just believe in all that I did talk to my dad a little bit about it, but not like in depth like a long it was a long time ago. Like there was a point where I was just like crying every single day. Like I couldn't even remember. Like it just felt like not even like real life. >> Morgan's body language is telling. She's alert. Her eyes dart toward the officer. Sideways glances, hesitant looks as if she's calculating the right moment to speak. It's the kind of micro behavior that suggests anxiety, but also awareness. >> Am I allowed to hit my baby? >> Sure. >> It like helps me calm down. Like my heart is beating. >> You can feel where her thoughts are spiraling. She keeps circling back to one word. jail and now she's terrified of where that road ends. >> You think that I could be put somewhere for years. >> Based on my experience with the county, that doesn't seem like the most likely outcome. But again, like the detective was saying, we can't predict what what will or won't happen. Is a very new jail by like national standards. I I would say it's probably 15 years old or something like that. Um, and it's it's clean. It's safe. It's not it's not like a a scary dungeon place. I'm just going to be alone and sleeping at jail. >> By the time Morgan has confessed that she wasn't attacking her ex-boyfriend, she claimed she saw a dark figure hovering near her daughter, and that's what she claimed she attacked the figure. Whether that version of events is believable or convenient, that's for us to decide. Finally, her father, Eric Lond, has arrived at the police station. >> Eric, I'm Miles. the first officer out there. Um, right now she's in with the detective. Uh, I was in there a minute ago. I came out to talk to you. Um, >> yeah. Thank you. >> So, uh, how how much do you know about what's happened this morning? Not too much. Um, my son called me a couple times. I didn't answer. And I when I called him back, I think he was probably calling you guys and stuff, but he said she was sleeping and she had a bad dream or she said she didn't know where she was and stuff and she didn't know what was going on. She's been having like she's had postpartum depression since she had the baby and like my wife was a social worker for years and like program director and stuff and she kept saying like she's got she's having like mental health issues and I it I would bounce around it with her but I didn't want to like accuse her of having like mental problems and stuff so I would I never pushed it far enough to like make her go get help. Okay. Um, >> but as far as today goes, like Ethan said and I saw her too. It was like she wasn't even it seemed like she wasn't even there. Like she's never like grabbed a weapon and done anything like that before. And um she's just been like I know she's been crying out of the blue like she'll just start balling for like nothing's going on and she'll start falling. Okay. She's when I say she said weird things to me, she'll she'll say weird things to me and I don't I don't say anything. I just let it go because I know she's having like mental issues. So, I don't want to say the wrong thing. >> What do you mean by weird things? >> No, just weird. Like she'll not >> just talking about or weird stuff like >> I don't know like I can't think of a specific example just like like weird not not like weird crazy stuff but like >> talking about stuff that we weren't talking about or something and like it's just like she's different. She's way different. And then, you know, I'm pissed at myself because we wanted her to get a good job and everything. And now she's like, now that this happened, I'm thinking I told my wife, how stupid are we? Like, we encouraged her to go work at the mental health facility because my wife was a program director there for a long time. Okay. And we thought, it's a great job. It's a state job. I ran a prison for a living. So, we're like, we know it's a good job. We never I never thought for one second about like the stuff that she was going to be reading and hearing about people she was going to be talking to when she's having her own issues already. It was stupid. I never even thought about that. But I can tell you right now, she'd never grabbed a weapon and done anything. I was shocked when he called me. It just it doesn't make any sense or what happened. I don't exactly know what happened, but I just don't it doesn't make any sense, but I know I can tell you 100,000% she's been totally different since she had her baby, and she's never gotten any help for it. So, um, before we go in there, um, >> before Eric even steps inside the interrogation room, the officer gives him a rundown of the rules. >> Obviously, you're her advocate, so I'm not going to give you any advice as far as limiting our questioning or telling her that she shouldn't answer that or stuff like that. That's entirely up to you. Um, but as far as what I would advise you not to do is be very careful about um offering information or starting to answer questions for her or with her or remind her of things. Um, they may be good things. They may be valid input, but she's got to answer questions on her own. Um, and it can undermine her defense later if if something came from you instead of from her. I'll also tell you it may be a little bit shocking. um parts of her story. So, I'm I'm going to I guess remind you that uh it's important that she not feel judged whenever she's in there. Uh cuz she has described um essentially hallucinating uh a figure uh that that has appeared to her multiple times over the last six months. It sounds like that's um yeah, somewhere around six to six months to a year. She said that she's been like just having this figure appear before she goes to sleep or whenever she wakes up. >> For families, the line between my child needs help and my child may go to prison is as thin as it is paralyzing. So, what Eric is going to say is about to throw a wrench in what the detectives were likely hoping for. >> Okay. So, I called an attorney that I have. It's not a defense attorney. >> Yeah. And he said he knew a good attorney in Oshkosh and of course he didn't answer his phone which I knew he wouldn't. And my stance on this stuff is like really in normal circumstances criminal behavior. I would say just answer the questions and whatever you did you did. >> Face the consequences or let them handle it however they want. This is way outside of my realm. And he basically told me like he told me to be straightforward with you and hopefully you guys are straightforward with me is that if you're looking at this from like a criminal charge like attempted homicide type of a thing then she needs to have an attorney. If you're looking at it more from a mental health perspective and you just want to get a better understanding of what's going on with her then he said to for me to go in there and let her talk more about it. But he said if you're looking at more of a criminal charge then she said he said you're I should not do it. >> Okay. Okay, I'll let you. >> She he said, you know, some police will tell you the truth and some won't. So, >> you know, I understand your scenario, too. I understand. >> Well, the reality is that u [Music] if a crime has been committed, figuring out whether or not uh a mental health crisis precipitated that uh comes a little bit later. So, we as police officers have to address the crime that's been committed. almost certainly she's going to be charged with something at the end of today. >> Um, >> she has to fight and prove that she had mental health problems basically. >> Is that how it works? >> I wouldn't say that. Uh, but this is the detective right here. So, we can go ahead. >> Can I talk to him like I did you? I guess I don't want to I don't want to ruin my opportunity to go in there and talk to her. >> No. If your concern is that if she's going to face a charge, then we don't want her speaking to us, then. >> The officer re-enters and briefs Morgan on what's happening. >> Um, he's just trying to figure out whether or not he thinks it's a good idea. Um, I guess he's gotten a hold of an uh an attorney through another attorney he knows, um, who gave him some kind of just general advice. So, he's right now talking to the detective and figuring out Yeah. what advice to give you. I guess >> a few quiet moments pass, then she's called out of the room. >> You want to come with dad? >> You'd think this story ends with a murder, but it doesn't. Despite the brutal stabbing, Morgan's ex-boyfriend survived. His injuries were treated and he lived. Morgan entered a plea of not guilty and also not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. The court ultimately sentenced her to 7 and 1/2 years in prison for attempted first-degree intentional homicide. In addition, she received 5 years of extended supervision for an aggravated battery charge and another 5 years of probation tied to secondderee recklessly endangering safety. Thank you for watching. If you like this type of content and want to support the channel, there is a Patreon link in the description below. You'll be able to watch videos with zero ads and some that are too controversial for YouTube and you'll be supporting the channel at the same time. 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