you're right I should have been honest from the beginning I should have I dropped it I eventually dropped him he's still conscious he was so conscious like I swear he was still conscious I didn't think he was that bad but I guess thinking about it falling from this high down to it definitely a floor this is pretty bad when Shannon Sherman met Jesse Hartley she thought she had found someone she could build a life with someone who would love and cherish her and her young son Brandon at first this seemed to be the case the couple moved in together and Harley gave every appearance of enjoying acting in a paternal role with Brandon Harley took care of him as if he were his own son on May 1st 2018 Sherman went out with a friend and left Hartley to watch Brandon several hours later she received a phone call from Hartley saying that he had found the two-year-old in the tub unresponsive terrified Sherman quickly went to meet him at the hospital only to find that her son was dead and that Hartley may have been the cause something foreign for three years May 3rd 2019 at 122. with Jesse at the Union County Jail let me just State your whole name for me I see James Hartley okay in your neighborhood zero six zero nine 1999 okay so I'm gonna read you something really quickly so you understand that the last request is great if not I'll run you back if you have to be aware that you don't have to say anything to me do you understand that okay um you have the right to have an attorney president for any question would you understand that okay is there anything you say I can use against you in court you understand that and uh you can have an attorney president if you can't afford one one can be provided before I got no cost to understand that okay anytime you can exercise this like I said you're done and we'll head back okay um after having explained that to you would you like to answer some questions you want to be done just let me know okay um I've I've just kind of going over everything I want to touch base with you again um and just have you have you run down those events again after uh Shannon left okay so just tell me what happened from from that point forward um meaning you're probably going to more detail on a little bit comments yeah yeah because if you remember how reality you may not have them now there's a little bit of accounting you guys talk to me at that hospital um he's just getting done eating like as Shannon was leaving can you say and um I got up yeah I picked up his master meeting and pulled out some cars and playing with some cars you know like I told you before is a normal day we just play um went in the kitchen or team living room and play a few games too Bartley had not exhibited strong emotion about Brandon's death and everyone who interacted with him noted his unnatural calmness I recently released another shocking case on my patreon this video shows the interview of a man who after being involved in the murder of a man and his wife later ended up shooting a 12 year old boy in the head you can watch it right now at patreon.com stranger stories Plus fortnite I don't know what that is it's just a video game over but he likes to sit there and play with a fake controller while I play so we did that for a little bit and then I got up I was like you want to go play with your toys he's like yeah I was like all right we can go find some boss baby so he took him to his room put on some boss baby then played toys for a little bit I went back to my game went back in there checked on them now Smith went to that take them in for a bath and his dad um so I wasn't until I'm filling up played with them for like two seconds and I got up and went to the kitchen and opened the fridge door Code Red took a huge things out of it sat there for like five seconds to drink down pass and step on my face and it's hard to performing CPR which I don't right then freaked out something I left out before was that I couldn't find the car keys provisioning all over the house and then my arms looking for the car key I finally found it I ran out the door and I shot them into his car seat told her I was unsure if an ambulance would help or not I expended her this year he was still breathing and explain situation to her she hung up because she was home she I don't know because she was going to call she was gonna call someone [Music] God not too far from ta whenever I told her I got really scared like he was still breathing but I got really scared so I told her just to call the ambulance and I'll meet him on the highway is 20 okay come with the phone just passed TA down in the bottom of that system um told me because I needed to pull off she asked me if she asked me if he was breathing I told her that he was breathing but I hadn't changed it correct a minute just told me that if I needed you to pull off the road and she would work me through CPR and this is about towards the top of his next sister so I went to pull off the road and realized that where it's going to pull off there's a really bad spot where I can get hit or the whole car could get hit or officers wouldn't have been able to reach me so I drove down to the sisters every time the camera exit I parked I pulled him out of this car seat and I started trying to perform CPR on him again where I then lost the M1 operator I tried calling 9-1-1 multiple times and it still wouldn't work so I tried swapping the bystander where then any officer and I'm not sure who but an officer pulled up can help you perform CPR right then realized I was doing it wrong for the entire time so tell me how sorry good even if I would have done it right Brandon was already dead by this point and CPR would not have revived him from his injuries thank you you walked into the bathroom and he was in the bathtub tell me again how you what where where was he at the bath though how was he lying I I honestly couldn't he was all I could tell you sliding face down I couldn't really tell you where like in the middle I guess I don't know and you pulled him out of the tub I'm sorry performing CPR I realized it wasn't working so I left this out that partly changes pieces of his story each time the detective points out an inconsistency before we move forward I want to extend my thanks for watching this video today has no sponsor so if you're enjoying it subscribing helps the channel grow you can also check out my second Channel stranger crimes after this video before you last time you asked your wife to type wrong but really in a matter of seconds I take slaves up put the diaper halfway on and then I picked them up as I picked them up I threw the diaper on I know you guys think that's weird but I didn't want to take him off maybe didn't so I took this two seconds to do that at what point did he spit up blood on you right when you go I almost want to say like as I picked him up I kind of squeezed him and kind of forced some of that out I'd like not like squeeze them but like I just kind of picked them up and I almost want to say me picking him up caused him to like cough out like a bloody water on me was that when you got him right on the tub or after you put the pull-up on it was but after I pulled him out of the topic right as I pulled the road and pull them up and then you spit on you yeah it was in a lot of images I don't want to say it was a lot no and it was pretty with blood I believe so it could have been throw up because whenever we were performing CPR in the car he was a bunch of throw up was coming up and they smell like throw up after that point which I don't I didn't I don't recall smelling throughout before then but it could have been throw up I don't know it was a good time to check especially uh so we woke up about 11 o'clock so we woke up pretty late so we fed him pretty much breakfast for lunch yeah the uh have Fruit Loops with marshmallows in it do you eat anything else before the bath pick him a cookie because he ate all that when it refinishes all of this food I give them a cookie so you can cook you know there's we found a a can of juice and then like a frozen it was frozen concentrate cans in his bedroom do you know what that was in there for I just thought that was kind of weird but was there any spit up or throw up or blood or anything did it get anywhere else on the house I do I didn't take the time to check I was just looking for the keys and as soon as I found it I left I didn't pay attention to anything else no blood spatter that Hartley describes was found at the scene did you wrap them as hell or blind or anything um did you did you clean anything up before you left this is a point where like I like my hands on something I don't know why I wet my hands on something before I got the car keys you don't remember what that was do you know what part of the house you were in when you wiped your hands in the hallway you're in the hallway it was like a cloth that was at the wall before you know there's like a pot it picks something up like that smacked off my hands just wipe off your hands yeah what did you do with that object that you wiped your hands off with you just dropped it I don't know where I just threw it down I was more worried about getting into the hospital was there anything else that you cleaned up that day is milk mess what are you putting that up with you want to see a blanket and just something there how about wet wipes including anything else with wet wipes I'm going to say I wiped him off with a wet wipe okay when when did you like come up with whatever right after I wiped myself off right like I saw the wipe and I went to chest how much I do that in the garbage okay how many wipes do you think you use there one or two so was there where did you get those from pigeon so did you stop I was wrong tell me how I just saw the wipes laying right outside of Turn My Graph with you I almost want to say that's where I grabbed the piece of cloth and washed my hands off with so you were coming down the hallway with him sorry I'm not being 100 clear here but yeah I wiped him off and then I wet my hands off and then threw it away okay any idea why why you took the time to do that I guess and put it in the garbage not just kids I don't know guys I honestly I I asked myself why I didn't even just take them to the other Hospital like I I'm pretty sure whenever I saw you I asked you if the other place had an emergency room but I bet you if I would have just brought them in there any of the other emergency room they probably would have performed CPR on them they probably would have helped regardless of it being an emergency room I asked myself a bunch of questions or why I didn't do this and why I didn't do that I don't know yeah just a moment of stress right okay so I I asked you when we were sitting at the hospital about any drug alcohol use anything that day um was there any drug alcohol use that day by you I didn't I know that you guys most likely found marijuana I do use marijuana and it helps me eat and it helps me sleep but I didn't know how that day have you seen anything that in marijuana is the only thing I use I really don't drink I really don't smoke cigarettes I don't do any hard drugs I don't I just use and I wanted to help me sleep and help me to go to sleep did you ask anybody to go over the house opinion and take care of that yeah you're gonna find that anyway I'm not gonna lie about it if that's what I go to jail for that's what I go to jail for but can't kill was there a reason why you didn't want me to have your phone just for that so in fact I didn't want you to see that I told people think about that you remember to be told yeah is there anything on your phone that I'm gonna find that that might not be something you want on there because I've got it and everything's downloaded off that people nothing there well might there be I don't know is there any pornography on it uh what do you mean pornography like personal pornography just pornography I mean I can mean like I watch porn like PornHub that I don't as far as I know that's not illegal okay but is there anything on the phone downloaded on your phone or any photographs of any type of pornographic photographs if they are they're really really old I have probably over 700 pictures and then they haven't looked out since I've gotten the phone so did you have any any issues with Brandon that day was he behaving was he misbehaving was he in a good bad mood when he first woke up he was in a nap mood but he usually is and he was fine now for that okay he's good do you ever lose your temper with him yeah I I help people boys like the only thing to kiss me calm right like I don't know like I could be pissed off at the whole world because there were days where I'd be pissed off the whole world and like he couldn't talk to me and I I felt by Hartley tries a little too hard to play up his relationship with Brandon give me one there are times where you frustrated me but I'm 18 years old and like I really I really whenever you would freshman frustrate me I I stay calm sit back and look at like what my mom would do that's like where the timeout came from he started going time out because I found it more constructive than looking at apps I found it way more constructive than because when Shannon would spank him she'd SWAT his butt like he'd be freaking out she'd swallowed his butt and then he'd freak out some more and then we'd stand there let him calm down and he'd calm down and then everything would be fine I'm like why so my idea was why can't we just he's freaking out put him in a chair let him reach out and then that's uh like that little boy called me a lot with with a lot of my temper and I don't even have a temper but he helped me with my anger he helped me with I don't know actually need some things things through I guess did you ever lose your temper with him never pushed her to a point because I mean kids get frustrating sometimes yeah they are frustrating remember one time he hey tried giving you the player all day long and she stood up from the body and pissed all over me yeah piss all over me and like I looked at him I was like are you kidding me like you can't go to the bathroom but you can piss all over me by chemical I went in I changed my pants I changed his clothes he sat in timeout came out I was like look dude you can't just pee on the floor even had a dog you gotta use the potty he's like Okay and like it sounds ridiculous as I talk to him like that but like he's a really smart kid you could you know he talks to him like that and I feel like he understood okay did you ever did you ever hit him anywhere besides his little bottom no I knocked him on the bum twice in my entire life well here's the unpleasant part okay I told you on Tuesday that we you know we were going to do an autopsy and we were going to find out what caused him to stop breathing and I right I told you we were gonna find out and we did mm-hmm so when I tell you the reason why he died I want to know if you're gonna have anything else to tell me because what you what you told me does not match up in any way of what the doctor found okay he did not drown okay Brandon did not drown I didn't know that to be fact okay then how would you like how did you have so much water in his lungs why did I find him in the bathtub Brandon did not have water in his lungs well here's what I think I think something happened on Tuesday and I don't know why I don't know if you just got to that point where you were extremely frustrated with him because that happens kids are frustrating they would never do that to him though do what I would never I would never hurt him with that I would never I would never killed him I would I wouldn't do that I know what you're trying to assume on me right now I would never hurt him I would never I'm not saying that you set out all right today's Tuesday I'm gonna kill you I'm not saying that that's what you're saying I'm saying I would never get to the point where I've snapped I have never gotten to the point where I just I've never gotten to the point where I snapped and hurt him so I don't think I'd go to the point of killing him okay well I'm not I've never said that you set out to to end his life that's what you were just saying no no I I never said that you set out to end his life okay I don't I don't think that I think what you're saying is that I snapped I think something bad happened and I'm going to explain why okay something happened that day before you put him in that band I know this the hospital move it the pathologist knows this yeah you know he's the the doctor the medical doctor that performed the autopsy okay he was the one I was there and he told me the cause of death and I asked him did the boy drown no he did not he did not drown you okay I think something happened you got upset did you did you guys have a little wrestling match a little tussle did you no I told you I told you I told you okay so I told you how he was eating in his room right the reason why he was eating in his room and you could go and ask his mother this is he fell out of the table and his his head earlier that day okay this fall was never mentioned before Hartley only conveniently remembers when he needs something to explain Brandon's injuries so that that that's the only other injury that day that I you know that he he died we weren't wrestling we were I didn't hit him I wasn't mad at him nothing let me tell you how this works I have a piece of paper that I fell out all right and I send it up to our County prosecutor and I write down what he told me okay all right down we'll do it Pathologists found okay and I send that up to her and she's going to look at that and she's going to see either you told the truth or that you lied and what goes along with the pathologist okay okay and let me tell you the little boy didn't die in the bath if he did not drowning because he was still pregnant when I pulled him out he when I told you this he was still breathing all the way up to the point of tha's last point I saw him breathing so I don't think he died in the bathtub either but I'm not I I'm not saying that there wasn't some life in him then but what I'm saying is that boy died of a brain injury Brandon would not have been able to survive with his injuries for more than 15 minutes from being shot from being shut I know this to be fact could have been for me like running around the house with him absolutely not I don't know I didn't Shake him I would not do that well listen like I said you and I probably won't get a chance to talk again after this okay so like I said what you tell me is what's going to go on this document and what I'm going to send up okay we have our scientific fact of what's going on that's going up okay the cause of death is going up okay now if you're going to sit here and lie to me that's all so we're going to go on there too so I promise you I pulled the only time I think he could have shook is whenever I was running around with him one arm around him and his that's the only time that I think he simply shook it's gonna see that's not how it works though it's not I don't know on his body there are bruises where the hands go when the baby's shook there are bruises where your hands were on his body now like I said if something happened and and you're not upset because you're getting a brat I didn't like you got to tell me I'm the one that's gonna listen after this you're on your own I didn't I am the only one that is going to listen to you do you understand that yes but are you listening to me I'm listening because I couldn't shake that baby and if if you honestly got think that you need to go look at someone else because I'm not the one that shook him look at someone else who you had him in your care all day I know all day but he died I'm not the only one in your career there was nobody else what about days prior nope this is this happens immediate this happens immediately this is not something that takes time this happens in this Consciousness and they die this happened at that house okay like I'm telling you there's only a couple people that know what happened all right you can sit here and tell me no he didn't get shook any Shook at all I'm telling you right now he did okay if there's any medical doctor that knows this okay this happened this is [Music] it happens you were there Jesse if you if you love that little boy if you love Shannon it's time to get this figure out you can shake him I didn't Shake him tell me what happened he's gone I didn't he's got wounds all over his head that are not just little from falling he's got some some serious bruising okay Shannon doesn't know anything about that she doesn't know anything about all that bruising all right something happened and you need to tell me about it I didn't it didn't Shake him I would not [ __ ] only what happened Hartley repeatedly protests that he is not responsible but he was the only person with access to Brandon two percent of every time spank him I Would Not Shake him to death I did tell me what happened on Tuesday that's not what happened it's Jesse whether you if you sit here and lie to me that that doesn't mean I'm just going to say all right like I don't expect you to be like okay you're free to go but I'm telling you the truth I didn't shake that baby I didn't Shake him I didn't I didn't hit him I wasn't even mad at him I wasn't mad at him I it was a normal day it was a normal day for me and him especially that baby didn't just took over and died I'm not saying that something happened at that house something did and I don't know I don't know if you're just too scared to tell me about this talk about if you think it'll make things worse because I'm telling you right now you're you can't go to Warner jail you're in jail this is this is your opportunity like I said once we leave here but you're on your own and this looks a lot better for you if you tell the truth if you go up and go through this process and flat out lie it doesn't go well for you because I write down if you tell me the truth I will write that down and I will go talk to my prosecutor and I will tell her he was honest with me he told me the truth or I can hand it to her and say he's on his own I can do nothing for him attention something happens that baby got shook again I know that it wasn't my music who was it I don't know but it wasn't by me you were there I didn't shape that baby you were alone I've never even grabbed him like that there are marks that say otherwise because I'm absolutely not true me grabbing him like that if there are bruises there are hard bruises on that body this verse is on the face I saw him right here and one on this side there are a lot of residency and they're not bruises from just a toddler bumping into things okay I've been doing this a while all right people that I work with use all the time where that doctor has seen this okay he's a smart man he would know if this was some unintentional because he deals with that stuff he didn't want to I know that you probably love that little boy he's a cute little kid I've seen pictures he's a handsome little guy nobody would set out to do that he's a cute kid he absolutely is something happened man I don't know if something just got out of control that you tried I don't know did I set him in the [ __ ] mouth wrong did I did I pick him up wrong I don't know what I did I please tell me if you're telling me it couldn't have been a little thing but if I I feel like if I shoot him to the point like you're saying I would remember that I would tell you that you think you think that if I would have intentionally not even intentionally but you think if I would have killed this kid and whether it was accident or on purpose you think that I'm not as dumb as you think or somehow but yeah ever if you know I'm just straight up lying to you I do he seems that and I'm not I have proof because I have picked him up wrong could I have carried him wrong I don't know could have I don't know please tell me if there's something else please tell me I agree with you there is something else right I don't know what that is I honestly I don't think you're telling me the truth I don't know if something happened that day and partly's display of emotion doesn't move the detective it is something he has seen numerous times in similar cases and you're too scared to talk about it I told you everything you can tell me what it is the only time I even picked him up was when I picked him up from the back for the back it's the only time I ever picked him up and from whenever he fell down at the table that's the only time I've picked him up I said that he was walked all by himself because those injuries are not causing that okay they're not this is all out in the open this we know that that body was traumatized and it wasn't from being carried around wrong we know that all right shook the [ __ ] out of him for no reason yes oh for no reason I don't know I can't answer that that's what I'm asking did he push you to that point no because it didn't happen I didn't check the [ __ ] out of him like that were you high was this I mean something that you might not remember you think listen do you think that THC affects you is not enough one honestly got your memory not even not interested in my memory because I remember that that day very clearly but yeah okay I'll admit to you too she definitely does affect your memory it definitely doesn't over because this is my memory shot if I remember that day very clearly because like I told you I wasn't High I wasn't on anything remember that day very clearly do you think the THC affects you in the sense that I'm just gonna snap and Shake A little boy you don't know if THC affects you that way I don't know how it affects you I can tell you right now I've I've smoked marijuana since I was like 14 years old and I can tell you right now it does not if anything it makes me feel like the same normal human being that's great not okay I know I know that's not any of the topics but I just want to make that very clear that I wasn't high and marijuana was not cause it was not it did not make me snap I was not mad at him I was nothing the detective has never said that he believed that was the cause he is sure it was as simple as the child annoying Hartley one too many times on a bad day did you understand where I'm coming from here you're telling me this happened and I'm telling you that boy did not die like you said what am I supposed to think that you're telling the truth what am I supposed to think because that's what happened you're telling me that doctors are figuring out all this that is completely opposite from what I said and like how am I supposed to argue with that and and if I was lying I would have been like yeah dude this is what happened but I'm not I'm not that's why I'm so dumbfounded oh what to tell you because I didn't I didn't lose my cool with him I didn't Shake him then so this is that's not what that boy's body says never very bad did you ask you I love that kid like he's my own kid um I wanted so much for that kid I have been raised by two two [ __ ] two complete [ __ ] that told me that they would never leave me and told me that they would told me that they would take care of me and take care of my mother and and do all this for me and do all this for my mother and they didn't they didn't I ended up being raised by a single mother and then I come along I mean this beautiful girl this beautiful kid it turns out his dad's a piece of [ __ ] oh man Jesse you do what you do best Step Up try to be there for someone because all my life I can't figure it out for myself I can't figure out what to do for myself I can't figure out what my next step is I can't figure out what I want but what I saw was a little boy that needed to death so I became his dad I did everything selected from changing his diapers to to taking to see cool things to to loving on him to being the stern follower figure that doesn't let him get candy before nine o'clock or after nine o'clock to playing video games with them to teach them how to ride a bike everything one that person it doesn't mean [ __ ] to you if something happened that day you have to admit something happened that day something bad happened that day the kid's dad obviously something happened kids don't I'm sorry I know they don't just die I don't know I don't know if if I was aggressive with him and I put in the tub or when I picked him up I don't know like I said this is not in a group this isn't just like a little castle this is a violent repetitive Shake I would remember that regardless if I was high on [ __ ] anything in the world I feel like I would remember that I like that would play over and over in my head and I wouldn't be able to live with it because I already can't live with the fact that I [ __ ] up so bad that I've hurt all these people I was so careless that I've hurt all these people and a little boy's dead because of me a little boy I love like my own kid and then I came out of my nut sack but I loved him just the same I did I already hate myself I do okay just see you this is going to haunt you okay it is and it harms me the fact that he's dead hey but I don't understand how you can sit here and tell me but the way that little boy died is different from what happened I'm not telling you I believe that he died that way but I don't know if it was from me if I can picking him up I don't know it's not how it works man I know that's what you keep saying but I don't know why the house for work I told you how it was that kid got you grabbed on him and shook him and you think it was me yes I told you that I don't see her I do I think it was you you were there he was in your care am I wrong there yes he was yeah I know points where he's in your prayer and shaking him like that he's at the hospital and he said right in between there he's not shook there's nobody else involved it's just you he got shook that's it he got Shook and he died don't recall period of wind is it positive that it happened and you don't remember it that for whatever reason I don't know but if I didn't remember I wouldn't know but as far as I can clearly tell you every step that happened that way because something lesser have happened or something I don't know that's what I'm asking because you know what do you mean maybe maybe I'm making a mistake of it you're making a mistake of well this happened and you're not because there's a lot of things that you're not that you but I I'm trying to I've tried asking you did you say lesser and I I feel like there's a mustard and like something little that happened yeah were you upset and it wasn't it wasn't a big blowout no I guess it was a wrestling match I mean tell me like what could have caused this give me some some other details what could have caused this because you're really killing me I don't know no you are honestly it's your job that's not I don't get in people's heads they confront you with the truth you confront me with the truth yes with the truth because again I don't you're right it doesn't lie it doesn't lie but I don't I didn't Shake him I didn't if I did I didn't do it on purpose it it it the detective does not believe that Hartley set out to kill Brandon often in shaking incidents the adult tried to get a child to be quiet or stop crying especially grabbed him like this and shook him I don't know if carrying them in the bathtub in his car he was moving around a lot he was completely [ __ ] limp I don't know if maybe that caused it no I don't know I don't know but I don't I don't recall any point throughout our day or passage or ever where I even picked him up like this let alone shook him like this something like that doesn't necessarily occur with you holding him up he could have been on the floor okay during a diaper or a pull-up change changing his clothes he's got marks on him Jesse that that don't account for anything else than than something forceful okay he's got a he had a horrific cut in on his mouth from being hit he had bite marks on his tongue okay those things don't just happen from playing they don't say me too okay Jesse those things happened okay it was brutal his tongue was chewed up by his own teeth that skin in between his gums and his upper lip is cut from being hit in the mouth that doesn't just happen it happens by force that's it that's it thank you so ask me if I touched him no no you're you're accusing me of all this stuff and then you also accusing of touching him I just want you to know this is probably something you or anybody needs to know but my girlfriend does every sexual favor with me that I could ask for so I promise you I wouldn't touch a little boy that's disgusting that is disgusting okay let's go back to the face and back to the face what how did he get that I have that in his mouth how did this tongue get should it have been whenever she fell out of the chair I don't know no you would have noticed you would have known he would have cried for hours you would have needed stitches it would have been bleeding out of mouth from what was on his tongue from his tongue being chewed up and that piece of skin that connects the gum and the lip being torn I'm assuming that's where blood came from I don't know I don't know seriously there wasn't water in his lungs what did I watch and come out of his lungs I guarantee it was probably blood there was not blood I'm sorry but it was like an orange and clear substance if you don't believe me ask the officer that was there completely you said he ate Cheetos so are you sure you know what you're talking about I know what I'm talking about okay Cheetos maybe that was that was her time and she likes Cheetos but I never told you anything about she said cookie I said I gave him a cookie for eating all of his breakfast well I'm telling you he got hit in the face you got hit in the mouth whether it was being pushed or hit I don't know but that skin was cut and doesn't just do that those dude that kid smoking and stuff it doesn't mind doing that so I'm gonna get this is I'm gonna just give you this logo out and then we're done and I'm gonna go finish my stuff and set it up and you're on your own okay Jesse if you got something to tell me about what happened that little boy can explain those injuries man I am the person that needs to hear it because there's nobody else once we leave here I'm taking it back to yourself and whatever happens to you happens to it I got nothing for you I will put down what you told me I will send it up what do you want me to tell you I want you to tell me the truth I want you to tell me what happened I don't remember I don't I don't I don't know I don't know what happened to him I don't remember anything else I told you everything I know from the time I woke up to the time where shampoo lives to where he ate his food it's when we played video games to when I put him in the bath and they're telling me he didn't even have water in his lungs whenever I watched it come out of his mouth I washed it all pour out it didn't drown I believe he didn't drop I believe you on that but I found him in the battle how did he get the head injury I don't know did you fall in the bath I don't dance this injury does not come from falling on the top okay this is a repetitive motion it's a brain injury I don't know I didn't Shake him now didn't and that's what you're gonna stick with it's like I said if I accidentally shook him when I was bringing the bath like I told you you said that's impossible if I accidentally shook him I don't know but I I didn't pick him up I didn't disturb him down I didn't Shake him repeatedly like this I didn't if I did some accident if I was being careless only about that like I said I couldn't tell you about what maybe it was something careless that I told you from the beginning I don't know I don't know if I would be how am I supposed to know if I'm being careless because stuff happens sometimes man but what you're saying is hurt no what you're saying is that you want me to come out and be like okay so maybe I accidentally shook him no you said you I what if I no no no no no no no that's that's not what I meant you're telling me that I just shook him and I'm too scared to tell you just tell you yes but I don't know I don't I don't recall any point of whenever I just got pissed off at him and shook him by careless what I mean is how I picked him up I don't know I don't know what carelessness could have caused that but that's selflessness only thing that I found myself guilty of his carelessness okay well like I said man that's not what what do you want me to tell you I only want to know what happened I only want to know the truth that's it that's all man it's like what's done is done that little boy's gone Shannon is trying to plan a funeral here I'm not going to be there for you this is this isn't good like she needs some answers she wants to know what happened that sucks for her man sex for everybody sucks for you you're not dude you're 18 you're not some cold blood killer running around on the streets and I know that I have never even heard of it I feel like that's how I'm being treated I really do you want you really want to know I feel like I'm being [ __ ] like a [ __ ] cold-sided killer when a child has been killed and there is only one possible suspect it is not reasonable to expect that person will not be asked some hard questions and treated with skepticism when they fail to supply a satisfactory explanation that could change the death from murder to a horrible accident I have to ask a question I know you have to but you're like oh you're not telling me the truth whenever I don't know I don't know exactly what you're telling me does not match up it doesn't not even quotes so what am I supposed to think I don't either but like I said now this is your your chance to declaration you're so scary [Music] what's going on you know that's my job you know that's your job please don't tell me it's not because any any private investigator's job you should go and sit down with someone get in their head get what they want out of them and be done that's it I'm just asking you what happened that's it I'm not trying to message again this is [ __ ] up real bad I [ __ ] up this statement is the truest thing Hartley has said during the entire interview you're right I should have been honest from the beginning I should if I would have been a lot easier there's no reason for me not to be adopted I've literally dropped him everything was true the rest of it was true the path everything that's awesome when I was put him in the bath my dumb ass what do I do he's still conscious he was still conscious I swear he was still conscious I was like are you okay he was crying I got him to calm down and I still certain circum in the back and it shouldn't have I didn't think it was that bad but I guess thinking about it falling from this high down to a jump into a floor this is pretty bad okay and I was really scared I'm sorry I lied to you I'm sorry to tell you things were in an accident and I'm still scared that you're gonna use this against me but I can't I can't I can't get up around it I can't I dropped him I'm sorry it's just as careless just be leaving him in the bathtub but but I was just trying to do what was best for him I was I was surprised I said it would because I didn't feel like she couldn't trust me with him alone I sure said didn't want this right here to happen I did it I just respect to Bubbly survived at the hospital but I didn't I'm sorry I lied to you apologize it's okay it's not I should have been honest it would have been your life easier it would have made my life easier it's okay this is it's about you right now okay it's not about me it's about Brandon his life is lost and it's my fault but please please tell me you don't believe I did it on purpose I'll tell you what what's I didn't do it on purpose okay let's go back to it again all right and then tell me give me all the details you can about about what happened everything was the same everything so from the time we woke up him eating him falling out of the chair him me moving I moved the end tables in the living room in his room and set up a chair in there so I could eat in there we play video games or play with his cars played the video game went back to Newsroom we watched boss baby stop I'm gonna bring him in there he walked in that took his clothes off I picked him up and his job to me like his head on the steps I didn't have the stuff is that tug and fell to the ground and he started crying and it felt like a piece of [ __ ] and I picked him up and I calmed him down I just kind of gently shook him I called him down he finally stopped crying he didn't where I feel like I was so dumb it's like he didn't really seem like he was conscious I was like you okay buddy he's like yeah hey he didn't make himself that is so stuck up in the back and he's so nervous just took him to the hospital but I swear I didn't find him unconscious I pulled him out I did perform CPR I didn't freak out I everything else was and it was true I just didn't take the part work like let me see yeah said was that is that where the wet wax come from cleaning that up yeah you did you didn't have quite a bit of bugs coming not quite a bit but a little bit of blood so I wouldn't grab some went nuts I just started creating his face up and it stopped bleeding it says took stuck in the tub what part of his face was bleeding just out of his mouth it's coming out of his mouth yeah so he fell straight onto his back the back of his head and you said there was partly is using the pieces of information the detective has given him to try to craft a believable version of events but he still cannot quite get everything to line up correctly with the back of his head bleeding yeah anything got his ears nose or mouth just I think a little bit came out of his nose and like like somebody was not like mainly what I saw was out of his mouth I didn't see any from the back of his head I didn't see anything from his ears I just saw what was on his mouth and that's honestly kind of made me think like I don't know maybe it's not that bad I don't know I don't know what I was thinking I was careless how did you drop it what she he took it all the way up he just slipped out and I was literally picking him up to go from around bathtub because it's a pretty high bathtub and he just dropped and I missed care of it I promise you I wasn't high I would tell you if I was I I wasn't High I wasn't on anything was he throwing a fit I mean you just squirm out like how no I just he slipped out of my hands was he naked yeah and you put him in the bathtub after a Yeah clean him up and clean them up put them in the bathtub and he was conscious he was conscious for my life and that's whenever I went in the kitchen and experiated wet naps and I did get a drink that wasn't a lie either and then I went back and I bought him a bunches okay when you when you put him in the tub after he hit his head he said he was crying he was drunk Crying by the time I put him in the bathroom is that where the blood came from on your shirt or was that after you got him out I'm assuming it because I remember he initially fell I picked him up and I held him for a second and like I told you held him for a second and shook him up and down to calm him down he calmed down and set him back down on the floor and I just want to grab the wipes I wiped them up and then I picked him back up so yes maybe some flight got on my shirt when I picked him up was there any blood in the bathtub I didn't I didn't even look so you say it was face down yeah it's it looked like he had fallen for it I think he really was sitting and falling forward anything else you can think of Jesse I might just want to make sure I understand it all right he's giving him a bath he took his clothes off he picked him up to go put him in the tub and slipped out of your hands he fell and hit the back of his head correct and he cried a little bit he picked him up didn't cry a little bit he was crying pretty hard but I could hold him down I could usually calm him down there and then you went and got wipes and you cleaned him up while you were holding him before you put it in the tub but you cleaned up the blood from his face yeah is that right yeah okay I was coming said from his nose what is Mel the instrument I think I saw I wasn't sure if it was for me wiping that wiping his face but there was some above his no it's like right here you have any idea how he would have hit his mouth did he hit and roll it'll honestly happened real fast I just dropped him and then like I it's like it happened like that like it dropped him and I was like oh [ __ ] and I picked him right back up like he could have I don't know okay I just I don't know I shouldn't be the truth all right taste this time is there anything else you can think of yeah this is careless I'm so sorry though and I'm gonna be sorry for the day I die whether I'm I spend years in prison or not or if I skip that off I don't know regardless I'm trying to live with this for the rest of my life and live the fact that I also careless I don't know if I would be able to have another cake and I don't know I don't know I suppose that's what it's a tragic deal that is for a certain other um I'm sorry you don't have apologize to me really I really like you I'm over there I'm sorry especially people add me every day I know but it's okay I just didn't being sorry isn't going to be enough to prevent Hartley from facing serious charges which is what it sounds like he is trying to avoid I thought maybe you would save my ass in the long run but other people got me in trouble more it made me ought to be a liar that's the opposite of what I wanted I just wanted to know being honest and you know I'm tired so because there's like I said that bruises all over the kid's body that you know you're getting his head with a concert he didn't have bruises before that day like he did have like one on his arm he had the Little Dot in his forehead and he had on one side right here and so many bridges I know of and he's got he's got multiple bruises having her in here I know I saw afterwards I saw the ones right here the only one that's the only new ones that I saw was right there any idea where those could have come from maybe picking him up off the ground I don't know I didn't grab him by the face or anything I don't know how it could have caused those very tough or anything else but I'm being serious with you whenever like he was completely limp whenever I was carrying on that I was running around like a madman like I don't know I don't know I want to say that it was from that but I can't say that because I don't know I don't know but it was length in my arms and I was running around I could feel his arms hitting me and his leg fitting knees his head going back and forth because if anything else comes to mind okay like I said we're we may not talk again but if something comes up that you think I need to know get a hold of somebody I know I don't know where to find me okay did I feel like you want I like I said I'm not I don't come in here like no you want anything no I know I know I put that put that really wrong I'm sorry I meant that's more accurate are you gonna help me I wouldn't be out to be a liar so I'm trying to do this I'm not even trying I am now 100 that is the that was the only thing that I was doing the account yeah right I shouldn't have left it on I'm sorry pretty adamant that that didn't happen so you gotta understand I know I know but that's all I can think about was the fact that I dropped him and I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't not not tell you right I I as a lady myself I was the entire time this week I could think about trust me I think there's there's more I'd be telling you there's if there's more I'd be telling you I promise because that one thing [ __ ] haunts me that haunts me I don't hide me that I didn't tell you guys it's homie that I didn't tell Shannon it just haunted me I did really [ __ ] me up and it's still [ __ ] me up I just everybody else my mom tells me that everybody else knows that they do it on purpose everybody else is and it doesn't really matter yours prosecutors and the judges that's what matters I know I know but but it is sort of your opinion because if you think I'm sitting here still continue to lie to you and that's what you're going to tell the prosecutor so if your opinion isn't I'm still lying to you you're going to tell the prosecutor that I'm lying to you so that your opinion doesn't matter so I got what you told me okay I got any adminism about the fact this is every seven one this is one of that I want to hold them again and I messed up really bad I was really careless I'm so sorry I couldn't spend the rest of my life in prison Hartley is distressed at the thought of life in prison he might be able to get off with a lesser sentence but he will undoubtedly serve a long sentence speak I try to do my best myself I did I did I tried I wasn't happy I wanted to give him everything I never had and I was just so careless I couldn't even give away my shitty piece of [ __ ] step dad's gave me which is life I couldn't even give him that okay I forgot their skin you know let's see I miss him so much I'm so sorry I should have honest with you I think that's why I'm up for closer yo okay all right let's go ahead and end this and I'll get you back there okay and have a little time by yourself yeah I feel like such a piece of [ __ ] I do it was using a digital because you're not I can't really live with this for the rest of my life I know I know that my lights already really messed up how we're supposed to continue with this can I please see galaxies are like right now I don't want to be alone whatever I do I don't I don't want to die but I don't want to live with this I know laughs I'll get your counselor okay [Laughter] I don't know what to do which accounts for somebody to talk to me I I don't know what to tell you that I don't I can't because I serve him but this thing in there okay all right let me try but I was supposed to hang in there and chop it out do you guys think I touched him you said that to me that you told me like it describe carrots in the name cavity or whatever you want to call it I would never do that to him and to hear that it just makes me wonder where they came from and I don't I don't want you guys to put that on me because it didn't come from me see then I don't know so you're saying that because that was a real thing yeah I'm aware of this in my search for I know I I read it every day so every 10 minutes every day wake up and I promise you the hair loss honest to God it was it was previous it was from his shampoo I swear to God I told you I was kind of honest with you about that if you're not chatting you can go to that doctor I told you about it was from a shampoo okay I don't know so going back we we got your DNA right yeah and we're gonna we did anal swab of him is there any chance oh no I promise you there's no chance and if there is you can I will [ __ ] plead guilty I will play guilty after 100 there's no chance no way still wait I wouldn't that record like I told you you probably don't want to hear it my girlfriend does every sexual favor I would ask her for there's no way I find that disgusting I find it absolutely disgusting and honest to God I felt like that follows and people do that to children should be killed on site because it may be harsh may sound harsh but it's true it's disgusting I would never wish I had a plan buy them anymore I think but it pisses me off because I know it wasn't me but it wasn't me who was it who did that to him I really hope that you guys try to figure that out and don't just leave it at that it didn't do that to him yeah I got that stuff it's movie sent off and okay just okay who promised me that you promised me that when it comes back negative that I didn't do it you guys won't just leave it at that we won't leave it with that please it's just that pisses me off that pisses me off a lot and like I told you before I've had my I've had my thoughts about her sister and the way her sister treats him because her sister doesn't treat her own daughter very well so it worried me about the way she treats Brandon and my mom I told my mom that today I told my mom about the tires and she started crying and she's like you I know that wasn't you and I I feel like I know who that was and if I need to I will be honest about it and she thinks the same person because well it's not good this is not good it's not just so scarce all right let's go be back there it's uh 2 28. I think she can't talk to the couch today yes we will go I don't want to be perfect so okay well I've got to put you back in there right I that's what I have to do and then I will go straight to the defense officers and tell them you want to see a counselor okay Stone put you back in this cup for one minute until we get to the other side I know you can't do it a lot but please I did my part and I know you can't do a lot so please tell me you follow me the best you can like I said what you told me that's what I'm gonna write and I'm not gonna say I think I think what you said and what the doctor said okay that's that's how it works I'm not I don't offer my opinion I just legally the detective cannot offer any legal advice or tell a suspect exactly what will happen as far as charges or sentencing get information us that's what I do okay all right one turn I'll get you and get you back there all right [Music] after four hours of deliberation the jury found Hartley guilty of first-degree murder that occurred as a result of the aggravated child abuse the defendant recklessly committed as the state opted not to seek the death penalty in the case Hartley was sentenced to life in prison he appealed this decision but the court decided to uphold the sentence in 2021. thanks again for tuning in drop a like if you like this video and check out my patreon page if you want to support the channel even more stay safe and I'll see you in the next one