[Applause] [Music] This is Magn Headroom. And what you're about to witness is one of the most sinister sounding intros to a trailer to one of the greatest epics ever produced in the history of television. [Music] And there's more because you are going to see it as well. >> Welcome to Facts or Frauds. This is case number 25S 00791 F1 people state of Michigan versus Timothy Dansby on behalf of the people morning on behalf of Mr. Williams. >> Okay, Mr. Gy, good morning. Uh, sir, come on. Can you get up and can he move? No. All right. So, Mr. Dansby today is that the uh adjourn date for a probable cause conference on this charge of this was a retail fraud um first degree. And so last time, Mr. Ganic, you needed some video discovery and you wanted to review all that. So did you get a chance to do that? >> Okay. Well, he didn't apparently, but did you look? >> I I did not I have not received it. >> Okay. What happened with the video? >> I wasn't sure. >> I don't see it even in my file. So, uh what I can't tell is actually I'll get it today and >> Oh, all right. Well, things might have slowed down since she was off. Okay. So, you want an adjournment, Mr. GI again? A brief one? I don't know. How long would you like pardon me? >> How long would you like it to be? >> Um, we have a trial next week starting in front of Judge Ro, but it's only going to be a couple day trial. >> Okay. >> Okay. Sir, put your hand down. Put your Put your hand down. Okay. The following week. >> Yes. >> What do we have the following week? Not next week, but the following week. >> Or just another >> another PCC for 8th and 9th. How about September 8th 9:30? We'll get to you just a second, sir. >> The only problem I have because the my trial starts on the 4th. It should be done the 5th, but it Oh, that's Judge Ro's criminal call. So, that be >> So, he won't be doing it during that >> trial. That's right. That'll be >> September 8th at 9:30 then. Now, what do you want to say, sir? I want to say that uh first of all this supposed to be an examination I'm not asking from German act being forced on me because I can ask I sign for alternative being represent so I don't know why he journ I don't even represent I don't >> you going to get the information >> I don't get the information where I said apparently >> sir bring to me >> okay the prosecutor ain't going to bring nothing to the jail. >> What the law said going by what he did? >> I don't know what law you looking at. Okay. But the prosecutor is not going to bring an exclusionary member of the bar by the constitution right have a right to be prosecute by constitution 193 constitution which is the highest law of land court. I also know that these individ what they're doing don't matter. They not on your they're not on your case, >> sir. >> I'm not trying any facts. Okay. >> Number one represented by legal lawyers, not personally impersonating lawyers. >> Okay. Stop. You finished now? >> No, I'm not strong. Stop. I'm not finished. >> Okay. Well, you're finishes first. I'm concerned. So, I this what I got to say. First of all, we don't allow anyone to practice law that's unlicensed. Not true. >> Okay. Okay. Let me just >> I don't do it in this courtroom. >> Okay. Sir, would you stop talking if I to have you taken out of here? Cuz you don't listen. You don't listen. >> I have a constitutional right to represent Charles. Now, what I'm trying to tell you is this. The prosecutor can't bring you a video and the video could be the crux of the case. We don't know what it shows. Your lawyer would be derelicted >> and his the person here that's okay. Well, this the lawyer that's here that's been assigned. Okay. So he would be derelct and duty if he didn't get it to look at it and to try to ask well he doesn't have it yet sir and then he can ask and >> I'm asking for this due process >> okay first of all first of all >> there's no basis there's no basis >> the motion's denied there's no there's no basis to dismiss the case okay not right now there is not. And so he can ask to bring his computer into the facility to show you the video if he gets it, which apparently the prosecutor didn't have it. This is the normal prosecutor. >> Okay. I'm not going to go to trial for the court. >> Okay. Well, I'm just explaining to you. I don't know who lied or who didn't. >> Never got one because they never intended to go this far. They didn't think that I was going to go this far. meaning I come back down. >> Okay. Well, guess what? >> Something I did not do. >> Nobody asked you to take a first of all, >> I'll tell you what he asked. >> First of all, he he might have asked you if you wanted to. I don't know what he said. That's between you and him. But the bottom line is he doesn't even have all the information to make a determination. >> What? >> Okay. I don't know. I said I don't know what he asked you. That's between you and your lawyer. That's not I don't get involved with that. So, what I'm trying to tell you is nobody's trying to get you to plea. At least not here. Cuz I'm not taking a plea on this particular case. Even though I probably could take a felony plea, I'm not doing that. We're just here to see what's going to happen as far as the discovery and if we need to hold a preliminary exam or not. It's not going to It's not going to be not going because this supposed to been my examination. Not >> this was not your exam. This was a probable cause conference date. >> All right. We haven't set the exam yet cuz we haven't gotten all the information to set it. So, we're going to go ahead and get the information and we'll make a determination if we're going to set it just in the next week when we come back. So, that's what we're going to do. And you need to calm down. Okay. Vine is continued. >> I'm trying to be right. I already know I get a little little. >> Yes. >> That's when I know that I >> But then the truth will come out. >> About none of that because these people are trying to prose. >> The truth will come out, sir. >> And I'm not going for it. >> Okay. >> On with that. >> All right. Thank you. We Thank you. >> All right. We'll see you back here on the 8th 9:30. That's another PCC case number 2500791 FY state of Michigan versus Timothy Dansby >> behalf of the people. >> Okay46 standing in for the attorney of record founding and appearing on behalf of Mr. Tim Dansby who right Mr. Mr. Dansby, can you please state your full name for the record? >> Dan. >> All right, Mr. Dansby. Uh, we're back. Do you mind having Miss Miller stand in for uh Mr. Ganic for today's hearing? >> That's up to the court. I still reserve my right. I mentioned all previous, but far as today's process, it's been going what it's going to continue doing what it's doing. feels. >> Does that mean you don't mind her standing in >> one? >> Okay. You know what? I'm not going to play that game. That's a yes or no question. >> Okay. Do you want to adjourn it and see who it is? You have a right to have the council of record present if you wanted to be here instead of Miss Miller. I mean this is basically for a uh probable cause conference and adjourn date on a retail for our first degree when we had adjourned it before for your lawyers to get video discovery. So do you mind her standing in or no? say one time. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, you don't want a lawyer, sir? I'll release him if you don't want one. Nobody's going to force you to have a lawyer to help you. If you want to do it all yourself, do it. Do you want me to release the lawyers? >> Same for him soon. Right now, >> do you want a lawyer? Yes or no? It's a real easy question, sir. It don't take all day. >> Listen here. Okay. If you don't answer the question, I'm going to release the lawyers. If that's what Cuz you've been complaining the whole time about I didn't ask for no state attorney. I don't want nobody. I don't know who whatever you going to do. No, I'm not doing anything. I didn't appoint the person in the first place. I didn't do it. >> Okay. So, you don't want them. Is that what you're telling me? Uh, do you want them? Yes or no? >> I don't know what I'm saying, sir. >> Uh, listen. Let this is not going to be a matter of semantics. Do you want one or not? Cuz nobody's going to force a lawyer on you. I'll be happy to handle this case with you by yourself doing whatever you can do to help yourself if that's what you want. >> I still ain't got my discovery. So >> So do you want a lawyer? >> I'm standing on the same thing. I think >> I don't even know what that is. Whatever your claim is, I don't know. >> Okay, let's release the lawyers. All right. >> Now, you're not getting another one. I'm just telling you. >> I reserve the right for judiciary judiciary on legitimacy of the court. >> Uh, you're not getting another lawyer. Okay. >> I said I >> I don't know whatever what you preserve what you want. I don't mind >> any other court and the legitimacy of the court. >> Sir, whatever. Whatever you want to do, you can do >> but since the since you don't want a lawyer, I can't by law give you one. So >> that was three three three uh go. >> But guess what? So >> Lord, have you given me the thing that I need? >> Okay, sir. Sir sir, nobody can give you anything but a piece of paper. We can give they can give you that. They can give you the police report. They cannot give you the videos cuz there's no way for you to watch them. >> Make sure that the law fair at the court order that the law fair court either have a clerk or somebody to present the information for him to see the video. I don't know what I don't know. Maybe you just don't want >> sir. I don't even know. >> I don't know anything about your law library wherever. All I know is these vid these video files. They're files. They come on a computer. That's right. So with all our gracious and somebody should be giving people the law hands up to make >> Well, you know what? That's up to you to figure out how you going to get her. >> I'll let the court let second figure pick figure it out. Second circuit pick judge, second court, Supreme Court. We let them figure it out. I'm straight. I I ain't doing nothing. >> You ready for me to take them? Would you like uh Mr. to file any sort of motion for him withdraw? >> No, I'm writing an order out right now releasing him. >> And so we will reset this, I guess. I don't know why we got him. We could actually bring him back out. and he could decide what he wants to do today. >> I I do know that um he is wanting to have his preliminary examination. That is >> okay. Well, let's set it for an exam then. How many witnesses, Mrs. Shockley? >> All right, just one. >> All right. You want to wait for your order? You can. >> Okay. Thank you. >> One witness, >> right? >> Yeah. one witness and one defendant that's going to make it way longer than it's supposed to be. So factor that invalable October 3rd at 10:30. >> All right. So October 3rd at 10:30 is the exam date. And could you ask Mr. like to make sure he gets a discovery what he has over to this uh person. >> Believe that paper discovery has already been given to his see if or if the jail will allow us to give any sort of um drive or anything like that that encloses the videos. Okay. This is this record of advising court. The discovery, the AV discovery in this matter is 99% police body on camera which has the defendant in it. And there's only one instore video of the defendant walking past. So >> know what? >> Okay. >> Oh good. Just make sure he sees it. Just some some of your best uh efforts on that. Awesome. >> Hi. Well, that's just about it. So, so thanks for watching and we'll see you again real soon. >> And thanks for hanging out with us on Facts or Frauds. Make sure you hit the thumbs up button, you're subscribed, and ring that bell. Also, leave a comment in the comments section. Tell me what you think. Fact, fact. Actually, I wish you could see the studio floor right now. 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