whenever you talk to John you you told him straight up that you knew he was 13 I can't tell you how many times in this chat log that you tell him that you know he's 13 you talk about spring break you ask him when he's when his mom's leaving this video contains the interview of a predator who spent nearly a week grooming a 13-year-old boy in 2007 Timothy K was a 40 2-year-old electrician that spent much of his free time chatting up young men online he soon zeroed in on a 13-year-old named John who in reality was a decoy connected with the show To Catch a Predator K would compliment JN and make him feel important but the discussion soon took a darker turn as K introduced more and more inappropriate subject matter soon he had JN agreeing to meet with him when he would be alone for the weekend when K made his move he was shocked when he was not met by John but by several agents who tackled him to the ground County Police Department Tim do you know why you're here why did you come to Howen Heights tonight can you tell me I was going to meet this this guy and just you know we were going to watch the movies and stuff yeah so tell me how that evolved we just met online I was actually going to be in the air anyways and you know okay who was that person John I can't remember his last name I'm sorry John I can't remember his last name John okay um and was he how old was he I 18 I think I really don't know 18 okay how did you meet him uh on online do you chat online yeah quite frequently yeah um do you know where you met him online uh gay.com and um so he invited you here yeah today I have some chat logs where you all talked back and forth and um I think that that person told you they were 13 in the chat log I I wouldn't meet somebody 13 years old no that's too you know that's that's too young yeah well what were you going to do just I brought some movies and that was about it really yeah what kind of movies just some like Army Fleck and yeah yeah and how old are you I'm 42 42 okay now did where do you live Indianapolis Indianapolis so you came from Indianapolis was going to go see my parents so live in Dayton your parents live in Dayton where do they live in Dayton off of Mad River Road Mad River Road the agent asked casual questions that aren't related to the investigation to make K relaxed so he falls into the habit of answering questions without thinking about it distra Parker Bell fired a 40 caliber pistol into the floor sending the room which included several civilians into a panic as people duck for cover like uh by the date mall area uhhuh and do you chat from home or do you chat from somewhere else home from home you have a computer mhm do you what kind of computer do you have SL or a desktop PC mhm do you have a webcam no so you don't use that no to chat no okay um you want to tell me a little bit about how you chatted with was it John you said yeah nothing we just met and you know it just went from there okay did you have something in common um just seemed like a nice guy you know what what some of the things you guys talked about all kinds of different things really tell me about that is I mean God I you know we just talked you know about watching watching TV you know what kind of stuff you know Sports and stuff like that and you know that's pretty much about it you guys talk about talk about anything elseid watch the TV or anything like that I mean not really not that I can recall what about um John's family or anything like that did you discuss not really no I think he said that his he lived with his parents and his mom was going to be away and you know said come over I well you know i' like to meet you so how did you um find the location did you he gave me an address gave you an address and then did did you do a map or did you know how to get here already Map Quest right it's pretty handy yeah yeah um so you chat on line quite often often on you know what's often do you um tend to talk to a lot of people not really I mean you know if I find somebody interesting I'll talk to them and you know um what kind of things do you chat about just whatever Ro you know no I I really don't I mean God I don't know you know I mean just talk and go from there why why do you use the chat uh is it a chat room that you go to I guess so to meet people yeah I'm not a chatter so I don't I don't really understand it can you help me understand um why you use that Medium just to meet just to meet people you know I mean really okay is there a particular type of person you're looking for not really just I mean you know just not really you know mhm okay um I've read a little bit of the chat that you had and um there were some uh underlying issues of maybe homosexuality um and was that maybe the reason for your contct with John uh could be but if I mean if he was if he and the age that's what you said That's you it would never happen cuz I think if it if I remember right God when I met him I can't remember the name the the name on it cuz it said like a date 74 or something like that uhhm okay um so he was homosexual is that I don't you know I don't know you don't know how did it I mean I don't you know I mean un let you meet somebody you know what I mean mhm I mean I you know I would you know do anything you know I'd like to meet somebody and go from there mhm so but you were interested in him because he was a boy or a man personality and so forth friends okay is it Tim yeah I had a little chance to read the the chat too okay and you know I think looking at the chance I I think there was something a little more was going to happen up here okay and you know we've looked at it we've read them okay you know there's a difference between someone who comes up here and you know may it I'm not to say no mistake or anything and there's a difference between somebody who actually goes out and looks for kids okay you don't take me as a guy right now for right now I you don't take me as a guy that goes out six little kids no okay you're not thaty you're not that guy yeah but I think what happened is you met uh what's his name again I'm sorry uh online oh you you said it earlier did the guy you met John I don't know if that's I don't know who it is now I don't know anything anymore well the guy you were chatting online with K is evasive when asked questions concerning his motivations for speaking to the boy online his answers are never firm as if he is trying to leave himself room to backtrack Reed claims to be unfamiliar with chatting and asks him to explain this is a useful tactic that gets suspects to open up most people can't resist this request especially people that feel like having special knowledge puts them in a position of power unfortunately the second agent breaks the flow and makes the mistake of talking more than listening to what kind might have said they address up here in okay I think you guys both were thinking about something a little bit more okay that would that be the truth I you know all I don't know you know I mean me talking to somebody online and meeting somebody is you know you it's totally different things you know I mean I'm always looking for friends if we can come out and talk about the truth here okay because you came up here the way you were talking I think there was a little bit more I can understand that other than you know if I give this to somebody else I can just easily hand this to them and say okay this guy was out to find a 13-year-old or 14year old whatever they're going to s a lot worse but if we talk about what happened here just the three of us maybe we can figure this out and maybe there's something a little different and maybe you're not that guy that's out there looking for little kids or that I'm you know I'm not looking for you're not and you're but you probably you were looking for a little bit more when you came up here I don't know until I you know until you meet somebody you know I don't know so your intentions were to come here and and my my intentions were to come here and you know get to know somebody and you know see how it goes but what 13 years old is that what you're say 13 would that that would not have interested me at all well would have have been a possibility no if you felt a connection no not at 13 years old I could man I could have sworn the guy said he was 18 years old and he was still in school and in college I don't I don't know we didn't even get that I didn't think he asked mhm or I asked I think everybody was everybody was being upfront okay you know we don't pick and choose some times okay and I understand that you know sometimes emotions way more than over other other things age other things okay and you came up here and I'm thinking P we going to win a little bit more posi something sexual okay all right am I on the right track you know no I mean I'm not looking if that's what you're saying that I came up here looking for sex from a kid well you're looking for to beet with somebody have a good time to meet somebody have a good time and have a good time is sex wise or have a good time you know I mean meet somebody and have a good time talk to them get to know somebody so it was a possibility I not not at that age no I don't even think I would I would not even you know think about that M to have sex with a 13-year-old no yeah I can't I mean but you know looking at some of your your chats here I mean you know I'm not saying you're you're going to do some major things but it not like you want to be a little little intimate you know what I mean by intimate close that would that be a characterization I don't you [Music] know say throw out this throw out the sexual part just be intimate what's intimate you know CL being close sharing space yeah I mean it depends you know on the person though depends on the person were you hoping for something like that up here I you know if I meet the right guy maybe so I mean until you actually meet somebody and go you know and get to know them I you really strike me as a very caring person I I can't imagine that you would um violate someone in any way I mean you know I mean that's what you you want to meet somebody and spend some time and get to know each other and possibly if it leads to something more then it would be a true relationship is what I'm hearing and what I see you know what you guys are trying to say you know I I didn't know somebody was 13 years old MH so they didn't tell you when they chatted with you that they were 13 yeah he said I thought he said it was 18 though I remember he saying he was in school and he went to school mhm yeah I just don't recall yeah but 13 no okay I mean I would have found out he was 13 I would have [ __ ] yeah so you said you chatted from him chatted with him from home yeah is that Indianapolis mhm okay because I noticed that you told him you were in Dayton I was actually going to Dayton okay they're having a hard time pinning kind down and he calls on their use of the word intimate depending on the context and a person's interpretation this word can have several meanings kind isn't foolish enough to tie himself to anything that might have a sexual connotation so um I mean I I go to Datt and every weekend yeah okay what what do you do um I'm actually in between jobs so yeah electrician oh okay houses or commercial buildings commercial buildings okay so you're in between jobs just your parents live in Dayton right so you travel there do you stay with them uh sometimes yeah do you have any kids no okay so anybody lives with you no significant other I have a nephew that stays with me every now and then but okay how often would you say he visits maybe I you know it's hard to say you know sometimes it'll stay for a week a month two days you know yeah okay so does he work no he's in between jobs too actually what's he do he's a like landscaper you know it's whatever okay in your chat there were um discussions about relationships with other people I understood that you had a boyfriend who left and went to Florida mhm is that true so you've had some ups and downs sure and as far as relationships are concerned and how they' worked out for you um so you turn to the chat rooms to discuss those things to talk yeah yeah sure pass the time yeah lonely and need somebody to talk to and maybe meet and do something you know yeah it I'm sure not that I know personally but I'm sure that it would be hard uh the way Society is today with um um homosexual tendencies for that to be accepted very easily so it' be hard for you to find a whole lot of people to openly display your affection with and um not offend other people so I can see where you would go to a chat room to uh express yourself and find out who you are as well as who other people are do you think John was having those issues I don't know you know did you connect never met I never met a guy so you I don't know how somebody actually is until you meet somebody yeah but on your chat I mean you obviously came here because you felt some connection I mean I don't see you being the kind of person that would just you know yeah or I wouldn't you know run off and go to somebody's house without having some feeling about whether you're even going to be able to talk to them mhm is that true or am I way off base no I you know I guess that's true but I mean the age thing is what you guys are you know I Tim you're you're getting caught up with the age thing I'm I'm not yeah we're just trying to you're get you're getting caught up with the age and if you want to get caught up with the age that's fine but throwing out the age thing you come up here to have some fun to be with somebody B some Army Flex you B some just to have a good time right yeah I mean to have a you know know yeah and to get to know somebody yes okay and a lot of times when you chat and you talk about certain things you both have things you have in common okay it sounds like he's a little lonely you're a little lonely both meeting online right both a little Lely okay you you know know it's normal I mean those are normal feelings if it wasn't you know you'd be coldhearted or whatever but you came up here looking for something okay and when you came up here I'm not saying you were to this was going to be some type of crazy wild night I'm not saying that okay you're getting caught up in that too what I'm saying is that's what it seemed like you're inating well I'm not I'm not DN I'm not trying to to uate anything okay but I you know I know certain things things that you know you come up here to have a good time meet somebody you thought was a nice person okay and you came up here to sit and watch the movies and if things happened they happened you know that's all it was going to be the agents try to tell K that they aren't focused on the issue of age but K knows very well that that is exactly where their interests lies otherwise he wouldn't even be there if his trip didn't involve a minor there would be no legal issue self-preservation dictates that K will focus on the things that he knows to have the potential to land him in [Music] jail you know depending on how things went have some time watching a movie uh share some popcorn that's how you get to know somebody you know yeah you spend time yeah Tim you got feelings you're just like anybody else her me you we all have feelings and you you know you you know there's nothing wrong with it expressing those feelings and being honest with yourself as well as everybody else in the room too sure you know so we're here we we want to hear what was going on you know what you intended to see happen when you got here um you know where you going to go to the bowling alley and go bowan where you going to go out to the movie theater maybe yeah and I mean that's what we're here for you know I mean that's how you get to know somebody you know spend time you know sure yeah so how did you feel about John when you were know until you know until you actually meet somebody you know what I mean I mean you don't know how somebody is talking on a computer well it was obviously enough to get you to come sure here tell me about that tell me about that connection that you felt well I don't you know sure but anybody lies everybody lies oh online well I guess you know evidently something happen yeah so what do you think he lied about well I don't know I you know I never met anybody I just I know I walked into a room and I was on the ground but so you know I mean if I you know I mean Mee somebody if you if I like him you know that's fine but but you just had you had enough connection online sure let me let me let me go check it out that's and that's what all you do you just come to check it out and see if there could be more yeah exactly and that's normal I don't I have you know I can see people you know you know if you you see something it picks your interest and you know you're you're going to want to check it out I can understand that you know and and while you're were there you know if you didn't like him you left right you know if you got there and you didn't like him that's what would have happened if you didn't like him but if you did like him maybe hey you got to talk a little bit and everything it could let to more it is getting harder for kind to act unaffected by the questions he is unable to sit still and to give himself an excuse for not looking at them directly he pretends to focus on his shoelaces a good friendship and that be would that be the truth yeah I guess you know it could be you know but and if you know anything else for grassed that could up bosson you know Tim what you like I said we're just we're just trying to figure out everything okay I don't want people to look at you as Tim the other way because I don't think you want to be looked at us that way and I don't and that's what you're not about you're a hard you're a hardw workking guy you're electrician right are you like a journeyman or you're a journeyman okay my dad's electrician too okay I grew up around the tree you work hard that's a hard job so why I don't do it okay mhm it's a real hard job it's a real hard job my dad's got bad knees I I understand you know it broke my dad down okay you know and you work hard you're going through a lot of transition right now did you get did you get laid off or fir okay what you then another I went with another company and they couldn't pay me payroll check balance and [ __ ] like that so which happens it's time to go yeah happens all the time getting laid off they have too many people to let you go that happens I mean Tim I mean I can understand coming up here you got a lot on your mind you're in transition was there the possibility you might have to be back with your parents no I mean I just think about moving back to the area but you know move anywhere you know I mean but so a combination of you got all this on your mind you're lonely right you're just needing more which is normal and don't feel that it's not normal because it is normal you know I mean I I I can see these things you know you but you just need you know I know you were lonely you came up here you want to find somebody new and I mean I always look for friends yeah you know I mean that's you know it's a great thing now friends are wonderful yeah you know everybody need friends sure so you know once you got up here okay and I totally be honest with because I want to be honest with you if you want to be honest with me okay I've been honest with I know what you and trust me Tim I will walk you through whatever we need to talk about if you need help or something is there I will walk you through it I promise you I will walk you through it we can walk this together or you can walk it alone you want to walk with me Tim I don't know what you want from me I mean I'm all your questions you're asking me to you know I I don't know what you I'm just trying to you came up here for a reason I gave you the reason okay I just want to make sure we're 100% honest with each other because I I think you're getting you know about the issue of you know whe there going to be some wild crazy weekend or something like that I don't want you to get that out of your mind but I think when you come up here you were going to watch movies it was probably going to turn romantic and that what it's going to happen and then then you could leave tell you you can the weekend was going to be over and then you go home and you might have found a new friend out of it you know maybe I you know I don't know I mean I can you can speculate you know what I mean but everybody has but everybody has an idea what they want to do everybody has an idea of what they want to do everybody envisions for regardless if they get to do it or not everybody envisions you know what I mean by Envision correct I you know I guess I can kind of I don't I don't you know you know everybody has thoughts of where you play it out in your mind yeah what what may happen What could happen what are you asking from me what do you think what were you hoping were to happen I you know like I said you know I would I was going to meet the the guy go from there if we liked each other you know that's fine you know but would it have went farther I don't know you know I I don't know K is tired of talking in circles he still refuses to say what his intentions were and he's almost angry that the agents won't just come out and say what is really happening waiting for a direct accusation can sometimes be worse than the accusation itself which is one of the reasons that the agents are prolonging this part of the questioning you know I mean if you like a person okay and if you like him you would go farther if I liked him I might go farther but I you know I mean that's a there's a whole lot of factors in this though too I mean if a you know what I mean yeah if it's a a kid a child no I'm not talking about the kid I'm talking about the person if I can meet somebody then you know great and I think you found that when you wanted to come up I think you were were hoping for that sure okay you know I'm looking for friends sure I mean I would always look for friends I'm I'm just step on just for a brief moment okay I don't know I'll I'll be I'll be it's all right you know I get the feeling that you think that we're trying to mess with you that's that's not the case at all we're here to find out what this situation was so that we can explain it without situation I you know I mean that's you understand me though I need your help I understand you 100% so that I can explain it to everybody else on your understand so I need you to come clean with me I'm and tell me what this was all about that is exactly what it was about you know if I meet somebody fine you know I mean if it goes farther that's cool but you know I mean I'm looking I'm not looking for you know I'm looking for friends maybe a relationship you know I mean I and when you came up here today that's what you had on your mind that's what it's going to be well no that Tim I that's not what I had on my mind I mean when I came up here I met plan on meeting somebody getting to know somebody Tim not you had an idea what you want to do with sure watch the movies watch the movies and be maybe go maybe go to the bowling alley I you know more than Tim I mean you know you you want one moment you're telling me you know it doesn't matter now it does matter Tim I can see it you know I'm willing to work with you okay what what do you mean you're willing to work with me I'm willing to work with you to help you not be there I'm not there I mean I'm not but what you're telling me is not matching what I see here if I if I go out and I look at somebody what that I'm looking for a boyfriend that I'm looking to to meet somebody I'm meeting for friends you know relationship sex you're looking to have a good time let if I if I like the person and that's what was going to happen when came up here I I don't know I you don't know I don't know you already liked him I you don't you're not going to did you not already like him sure I did but the the picture that was painted I don't know you know I really don't know like you don't know until you meet somebody you you you're telling me he seems like an awesome guy you know you know you're telling you know I hope you sleep good you know sure you know what's wrong with that that means there was something more well yeah I mean that we talked for days and you talked for days and you built a connection and you come up here to be with him he was going to be did not no he was going to be by himself where and you guys could be alone and you could exchange all those things that you talked about you guys were going to be alone together nobody to bother you can I please use the bathroom I'm going to pee my pants I need to break real quick okay do you have something I me it's up to you how you want to do you still have that folder that's the folder I had yeah okay let me let me take a break real quick she's gonna step off a minute she's going she's going to come back in okay and we'll see what we can do about a bathroom for you okay you're asking me to say stuff that's not true the questions remain repetitive and it is causing kind to become hostile this will either cause him to shut down completely or to say more than he originally intended damn I'm not trying to make you say something that's not true I don't want you to tell me I came up here to meet somebody you know and hopefully it friends hopefully find a boyfriend and more and if it went farther and I think you not with a child no if I would have met the guy and if if I would have known that Tim I made a mistake age is not a you're the c age is age is a difference when it goes that young no Tim it's not about the age it's about the person well it's about the person not when you're and you could be 13 12 10 you could be mature and 1 you know I'm not talking about a four-year-old well even 13 still a child you but it didn't when you felt he had enough what you felt connection you guys had enough together in that short amount of period and you guys want to explore that there's nothing if I would have went there and this kid would have been 13 years old nothing would have happened anyways I think it would have no it would not Tim maybe we would have became friends but that's probably as far as it would have went Tim age doesn't matter to age matters when it's like that I'm not talking a four-year-old I'm talking Tim I'm talking about even 13 14 15 16 did you can show some experience something you can take be with him show him some things a child though you you said it a new thing well then I made a mistake I mean I wouldn't have never I would have never had you know that with them you know Tim we got some problems here whenever you talk to John you you told him straight up that you knew he was 13 I can't tell you how many times in this check blog that you tell him that you know he's 13 you talk about spring break you ask him when he's when his mom's leaving you plan on coming to stay hold on I've listened to you okay I'm going to lay it out for you because here it is he you were coming to stay all weekend not just a day you told him you were coming all weekend you were going to have oral sex you were going to give him oral sex you ask him the first time that he jacked off if he' been caught by his mother and whenever he told whenever he asked you how old you were when you started you said 13 or 14 and he said I was the same age and you said that you understood so don't tell me that you don't know that he was 13 and that that wasn't your intention to come here and have sex with a 13-year-old that was not my intention it was absolutely to me some don't feel me full of crap I'm I'm done with that game that game is over now do we want to talk about what your intentions were here because I'm beginning to think you're a pedophile I'm not a pedophile what do you want to know from me what I want to know about the chat I told you I've told you if I was come here to meet meet meet him and do what friends be honest with yourself you wanted to have sex with him he was 13 years old you wanted to help him explore I'm sorry no if no no no it not honestly be yourself and say no yes it happen it would not have happened you are a liar I'm sorry an Absol not I would not have had such with a 13-year-old you would have and you will if you got the chance sry that's why you were coming here no I came here to try to meet a friend and do what maybe a boyfriend go a relationship give him a [ __ ] cuddle with him lay with him in bed all weekend long no do I have I don't not have any clothes with you're unemployed you're I mean just bouncing around why not mom's gone go stay with the 13-year-old it's like he's not going to kick you to the curb like your boyfriend did for another woman is he I don't know what you want me to say but I'm you know that's not what what you're saying is I'm a pedophile and that is not well that's what I'm thinking you are I mean can you think of anything other than that Tom after what she just said she went down you wanted this weekend you guys SP a whole weekend together that's making me think the way you're talking to me that's a pedophile talking the way you're talking that's a pedophile the agents are putting more pressure on K and they have abandoned the friendly approach K is no longer able to think over his answers and the change in Attitude has thrown him off balance he is no longer in a position in which he feels secure or Tim I I you know I thought we were on the right track I thought we were on the road to figuring this out but all you're telling me is you weren't expecting anything you were no I wasn't I was expecting to meet somebody you were going to spend all night go from there all you had plans you had I had plans to meet somebody you had plans no you had plans to be with him all weekend long all weekend long and to be with him romantically sexually however you want to put it that's what you were going to do and you were going to be with him and explore all those things AIDS didn't matter didn't matter you all those other things didn't matter you found somebody you connected with Tim that's what I found somebody's connected with but I did not find a 13-year-old child you absolutely made a mistakey I made a mistake yes I did you you told him three different times that age didn't matter age matter you talk about you know what 13y old is good for you because he's innocent and he doesn't have all the baggage that your other relationships have had and it'd be much easier to pull the wool over his eyes and be a slug and him think you're great no I'm sorry oh yeah you can help him explore his gayness yeah that's where this was no it was not that's absolutely where it was I came here to meet a friend maybe a boyfriend but not a 13-year-old kid then I made a mistake so what were you going to do with this boyfriend would left if I would have found out if I would have known then I knew and then I just didn't realize it because when I looked on the website it had a date like 1974 something like that so that's the connection that I thought okay you've already told me that everybody lies online why would you think that that's correct until you meet somebody and go until you chatted with him and he told you he was 13 years old and you said that was great that was fine you did not have a problem with the age difference I yes I you about high school you talk to him about girls at school and and the boys if there are any gay boys at his school at his high school yeah we talked about a lot of things so you knew he wasn't 18 I thought he was 18 no you didn't I swear I thought he was 18 come off of it you you knew he wasn't 18 you don't say it three times you don't forget three separate times I can't type for [ __ ] not in a day either and you talk to him for five or six days six days a week you spend a lot of time grooming him and getting him ready for this day don't tell me don't tell me that you weren't planning on coming here and having sex no that's not my in absolutely your intention you talk to him for five or six days all that time it's still not my intentions to go into and have sex with somebody that I don't know why not because he's gay that's not I don't care you don't you cared in the chat that's not what I'm looking for you absolutely cared in the chat if he was gay no did I I did not say I care if you're gay I did not say you like girls you I did not say that you're going to have sex with me or nothing I that's not what you did no yes you did talk to him about it let's see I did not say you're going to have sex with me for nothing let talk about what you said go ahead T you talked about you know Tim we can be over here or you can be here which is it you need to make a decision I can save I cannot say that you want it to be up here you know you want it to be I'm just string please I've really got to go to the bathroom have see we're almost done here I don't know what you want me to say to you and I'm not going to sit there and say something that's not true I don't want you to tell me something not true I don't want you to tell me anything that's not true because that's not fair to you and that's not fair to me it's not and you know but I'm telling you I am telling right now is you come up here here to be with them for the weekend and to have sex and do other things I'm not saying it's just all one big sex explo you come up to do other things and you guys going to have sex that was the plan that was what's going on that's where we're at okay all right if you want to be up here and everybody thinking you're that other person go right ahead okay I'm sure I can find a jury somewhere to say oh yeah that's that's the way Tim is okay Tim you come up here you got to get it Tim you got to get this off your shoulders if you don't get it off shoulders it's going to eat you it's going to eat you alive once again the agents make an Abrupt shift in tone as they urge K to get the truth off of his chest after having heard some of the things he has written K has to know what the inevitable outcome will be what do you want me to say to you what do you want me to say you came up here and no cut the [ __ ] out of it I came up here you come up here I came up here go ahead I don't want you to cut the [ __ ] I I came up here to meet somebody you came up here to have sex I did not with a child no no I did not you absolutely I came up here to meet somebody hopefully we had a connection and you wanted more that was the weekend was planned about if I found a boyfriend May maybe but I did not come up here you found that boyf and John I did not find a 13-year-old boyfriend I did not John let's be honest with each other I am you you know if you I can't get you over the hump or we're going to be over there I don't you keep saying over there what the pedophile the guy that everybody creeps everybody out the on that you you're worried about you know did you make a mistake and you felt was a connection yeah I made a mistake I thought there was a connection and you come up here to be with John romantically for the weekend and have a weekend to get away from all your troubles all the things have been bothering you being fired from your job having to you know with everything going downhill you had one weekend one weekend where all those things could be away no that you're saying that no that's not what I'm looking for that's not what I was looking for what is it you're saying that I came up here to have sex you came up here to have sex you were going to stay all weekend you said I'll come over after work Friday if you want we probably want to spend all weekend with you you were going to continue that grooming process right on from the chat room and you were going to have sex with this boy and give him oral sex over and over and over all weekend long I'm sorry no if I was up came up here to meet somebody okay if we liked each other okay if you liked each other okay that's fine maybe it'll go to a friendship boyfriend maybe I'm not looking for one night stand I'm not you know that's not what I was looking for but then why would you tell him all this what I'm looking for one night stand no why would you tell him what you what all these things about a blow job and take sh together why would you tell him I don't know it just I don't know we talked about all different kind stuff we talk we talk about all kinds of different things you asked him uh if he had done that before and you told him you like to jack off a lot and you said you would give him head if he wanted you to how often do you jack off you got me hard now truthfully I'm thinking about jacking off these are your words not mine I'm not making these up these are yours how old were you 13 or 14 oh so my age you remember that I'm sure those are all your words black and white right here can't deny them but still you're saying that I came up here for one reason and one reason only and that is not true to have sex no that's not true with a 13year old that's not true that's not the reason I came up here John we we can't help I don't know what else you want me to say I'm not going to lie to you and I'm not you know that's not what I can't you lied you you've lied to me for how over an hour now you know I'm tired of being lied to um and only only the only unless we become well you come honest with me the only other thing is I just handed I'll just hand this over to somebody and say hey this is what he's saying this is what the evidence says you make your decision and they're going to say he's a pedophile I can tell you what they're going to say they're you want me to say that I can't what do you really want me to say I want you to tell me the truth that is the truth I came up here to meet a guy okay and be with him and be with him and go from there hopefully find a boyfriend watch movies get to know each other if it maybe have sex off give oral maybe but not the age thing that's what you were going to do not I don't you can't say that's what I was going to do because I never met that's what you wanted to do you never met the person you wanted to do that's what you wanted to do even after hearing the chat log read back to him K still insists on denying that there were any sexual intentions for his weekend plans most of his protests stem from the issue of age but Reed has read several times passages that proved K knew exactly what he was doing and he hadn't made a mistake as he said earlier you know wasn't it I don't know I that's what you wanted to do said it in the chat I did not sit there and fantasize that's what you wanted to not know the person you wanted to have oral sex with him you wanted to masturbate I did not know him so I could not say that you wanted to have sex over the over the chat you knew him on the chat over the chat coming to know more about him to have oral sex I was coming to know more about him to get to know him better to masturbate to maybe go see a movie because he made you hard go maybe bowling or something yeah and that's how you groom somebody well I don't know about that I I don't know about that oh I think you know a lot more than you pretend to know no you're 42 years old yeah I'm not 13 okay I'm not falling for it I don't know I you know that's not what I came up here for and I'm not going to tell you that's what I came up here for then I guess we'll just have to pass this off and I mean Tim I mean see what they see think what they think you know I I think we've given you have a chance to lay on the line and you know I I you know I I've tried which way to understand what I'm looking for a boyfriend no I I've been trying to understand i' Tim I tried to understand everything you've told me and we went from nothing kind of happened to something will happen maybe what could have happened and then we're at this point and I've tried to understand but every moment every time I talk every time we question answer it's like you're stalling what am I stalling for I don't know I you know you know if we can't be honest with each other I have been honest with you I yes I have I told you why I came up here that is the reason I came up here I've been straight up with you okay if you want to look like a pedophile that's fine nothing I can do about that that okay if you come up here to be with somebody be with John and you knew the age you knew what was going to happen this weekend you had plans set in sight that's one thing I'm not saying you're you're a mass guy going out molesting boys and this I'm not saying that I'm not trying to go there and this whole time I've been with you an agent Reed has been with you we're not trying to say he's that I you know well you're trying to make me admit to saying that I'm you know that's not to be honest with yourself honest about what has happened I yes I realize what has happened Tim Tim you know the whole thing was a lie Tim what whole thing was a lie the whole thing was a setup you're coming here huh you're coming I thought that I came here to meet somebody okay to get to know somebody maybe be friends maybe a boyfriend I did not realize you know that it was a child if I would have found out that I would have probably watched the movie and left and you would have stayed there a little bit longer you would have stayed all weekend no I would not have I don't have any clothes with me to stay all weekend I don't you would have cuddled no you would have hung out together you would have gotten to known each other if I would have known that this kid you have had a relationship you could have had a boyfriend you could have had a relationship not with a 13 how are you going to have how are you going to have a relationship with a 13-year-old maybe you need to answer that question you can't that's impossible that's what I'm saying I you know that's not so your intentions were never to have a relationship with this boy it was to come and have sex since you knew he was 13 years old and you visited that issue three to four times in your over five to six you did too then I made a mistake I thought it was 18 there is no mistake in this K might as well abandon the narrative that he believed the boy to be 18 he might have gotten away with it if age had never been brought up if the boy had claimed to be older or if they were on a sight that required age verification but since the subject had been brought up multiple times throughout the duration of contact lying about it is just making things worse you came all the way from Indianapolis to be with a 13-year-old boy who was exploring his sexuality I'm sorry but that's not you're saying I came here to have sex and that's not true that is not true well you didn't come here to have a relationship because you said you couldn't have one with a 13-year-old I didn't know he was 13 I swear I thought he was 18 come on ttim then I made a mistake we have run around in circles here yes I did not realize that Tim age does not matter age matters when to that when it goes down said it doesn't matter when it goes to that yes it does matter I'm not interested in the age I'm interested in the guy yeah you found in John you found somebody you were interested in you came up here to be with him to be with him several different ways one to watch the movies one to cuddle probably to have oral sex probably to have actual sex that was what was going to happen I'm not saying it was a free-for-all that's what that's not that was you can't say that's what was going to happen because I don't know if that's what was going that's what you intended that's what wanted that's what you were dreaming about that's what you were hoping for I was hoping to meet a friend you were hoping that maybe a boyfriend you were no you were hoping that this could be a nice weekend a romantic weekend with John alone nobody around that's what this weekend was about that's where the truth this weekend this weekend was about meeting somebody maybe friends maybe that's where the truth Tru line now if you want to meet me there I'll meet you halfway I will meet you halfway okay what are you talking about meet me halfway you're you're just telling me the same thing oh I didn't know I didn't know maybe it couldn't happen May it probably wouldn't happen I don't know you said Verbatim what you want to do when you came up this weekend that's what you had in mind that's what was probably was going to happen I'm not saying that you did anything I'm not saying you ever had a chance to do anything I'm not saying that but that's what you intended for this weekend to be about was to explore those Saints you talked about you if you didn't you wouldn't have said it and you told me that already if it wasn't going to be that you wouldn't have said it you wouldn't have said it that's what this weekend was about the weekend was going to be something special something that you could get away with all the other if I can meet friends yes I mean if I can meet a friend maybe relationship yeah this was going to be something special this is what's going to be a special weekend this was going to things that you guys talked about you were going going to try them out that's the truth that's the reality okay I'm not saying you did any of those things Tim I have not once said you did any of those things things okay but that's what this weekend was about that's what we're talking about and you know I'm I'm telling you straight up telling you the truth that's what this weekend was about I don't know what that's you know I don't know until you know and I'm not saying to him we've been all over this this issue this and that I can read I know you know this is what it's about this is what was going to happen you know [Music] then I know that's what it was about and I know and you know I know okay damn this was what the weekend was about wasn't it the weekend was about meeting somebody Dam I'm sorry that's what the weekend don't Tim I am reaching Tim I am reaching out to you I'm sure you are I'm thr I'm throwing a rope I'm throwing you a rope to help you help me how are you helping me I don't understand well you know what you're not being honest with me so I'll treat you like a pedophile I don't understand I'll treat you like a pedophile I'll just say you know what he wasn't honest with me he he yanked me around left I came up here I came up here to meet somebody okay friends maybe a boyfriend okay go from there and what do you mean by go from there a boyfriend relationship go build a relationship go from there and you a relationship and you do that in one weekend I would know if I like somebody by meeting them within you know a few hours of getting to know somebody K's body language alternates between nervous gestures such as scratching himself wiping his mouth to clasping his hands between his knees to show that he is holding something in Tim I I'm I'm I'm reach all I can all I can tell him is he wasn't honest with me he wasn't honest with me what I don't know what want to go to I mean and I'll let people think what they want to think and I'm trying I'm giving you every last option to be there but you're you're giving me a no other option e to say you know he wasn't honest with me I know what was going to happen this weekend I don't know what was going to happen I mean I don't know what was going to happen I don't know you CH with you chatted with him I chatted with him I talked to him we talked about all different we talked about bowling we talked about watching movies we talked about sex we talked about school we talked about work we talked about life okay we talked about everything I mean one thing to the other and then this weekend was going to be special I did I say it was going to be special I think as as much as you as much as you talk to him I think it was going to be speci it's going to be a fun weekend I don't know I you know I you hope going to be nobody's going to come there oh GE I'm going to have a I hope I have a miserable time I hope nothing happens you don't go into something like that with that time of I don't hope something's going to happen I mean unless I like somebody I'm not going to go and have sex with somebody I don't like or if it's 13 years old nothing would have happened I'm sorry and you like John and you like I did like him I like the I like the how he portrayed you was all and that was going and this weekend was about the next step that's what this weekend was about was next this weekend was about getting to know somebody a little better the next step and going from there not having sex with them I'm sorry it's not what it was about it was having a good time I'll give you that it's about having a good time what's a good time good time watching movies watching movies you know making out I don't know you know that's that's a good time that is a good time cuddling making out watching movies holding each other that's a good time I mean nothing would have happened though because of the age I'll guarantee that I'm sorry would I have never never went after a child before I just like when you were 13 and 14 and you explored for the first time you were going to be there with him no matter the age no matter the time that was youring his moment that's what the weak that was your that was your no matter you your first time 13 14 that's a special age yeah but it's still a child and no I'm not going to do that with a child and and and you were going to be there would you rather have somebody that know what they were doing or have somebody who could be there and be caring and be gentle and be be I'm not say a teacher but being someone to showing no I'm damn no damn that you were going to be there for him not at that no I mean I would have met the guy I would have met the guy fine we would have watched movies fine if I would have found out if I would have realized you the age and that would you keep saying that but I did tell you were protect him from his mom so that she wouldn't find out that you wouldn't let anything happen to him you knew he was a child I I didn't know he was 13 years old then why then if he was 18 why would you say don't tell your mom because a lot of people live with her mom at 18 years old and flip out Tim when you turn 18 you're an adult yes you are but and and you know what you know nobody you don't tell an 18-year-old oh don't tell your mom when you talk about something like that yeah you do well that's normally most most most people that are 18 have that control that they don't tell their moms what they do you've been 18 I've been 18 and aent Reed's been 18 we've all been 18 right I when I was 18 I didn't need somebody to tell me oh don't tell Mom that we're doing this AG read I know people like that at 18 D i' I've known people God that are 35 and 40 still live at home with Mom and Dad oh wow but you know what it's pretty sad but you know what but they're not telling people not tell oh don't tell nobody I think most people would get the hint at that age don't you know they understand that but you knew the age for every accusation K has an excuse this isn't unusual and isn't just a means to keep himself out of jail many predators have lied to themselves so convincingly that they end up believing those lies you knew knew that that didn't matter because this was that would have matter I'm sorry it would have matter yes it would have yes it would have it wouldn't matter I there's no way there's no way no it in your own words no I made a mistake do matter it's the guy I'm interest sure if you're if you're thinking which is what you said friendship but not sex with a 13-year-old 14y old 15y old know because she would have cut it off immediately friends I that's fine but no I'm not going to have sex with a 13-year-old that's not what I came down here for then why why wouldn't you come and visit him when his mother was home if you're not I don't know because it was the only weekend I had because you're 42 years old and his mother would not have looked kindly on him having a stranger that he doesn't even know come to his house and that talk to him about sex online well talking and having it is different I mean I would not have had sex with him I'm sorry you wouldn't have come if his mom was home either would you I don't know I probably wouldn't have met him I'm sure I would have met him somewhere else 18 years old yes I would have came to his house if his mother was home if his mother was home well then why did you try and come today and his mother wasn't home why did I try to come 1 see that's where I didn't realize it I mean I made a mistake oh Dam then I did just lying to your over and over and over then I made a mistake you can call it that yeah I read that on on his picture the date and I just okay no Tim you didn't read that yes I did no you didn't you did yes I did I'm sorry but even then I still would not have had sex with a 13-year-old kid Tim it didn't matter I never have and I never will it's not about the age it's not it's about the person it is about the age that's what this whole thing is about the age and the whole time I I did I thought he was 18 okay so you're talking to him I wouldn't have had sex with any you know if he wasn't 18 but I don't know if I'd have sex with anybody I I know I wouldn't have sex with anybody just meeting somebody I'm sorry no take care some paperwork I think we got to give Mr K a few minutes to can I please use the bathroom thank we'll come back and get you a few minutes take care of some paperwork check back in on I can't though use the bathroom just give us a minute give I'll give you a minute okay okay oh God I got a piss when K is left alone you can hear his breathing become ragged he claims he needs to use the restroom but a certain amount of his physical reactions are due to nerves you to yeah I'll take you to the bathroom La your cool don't do anything don't don't do anything stupid okay yeah yeah no yeah yeah but you can be a guy with a problem or you can be a pedopile and I can help you work through that but I need you to talk to me we're looking 5 to 10 years prison time for what's happened here tonight and you know how this works you know if you actually um talk about your issues your problems people all people have them then you know a judge is going to want to hear that as opposed to oh I didn't know I didn't do this what do you what do you want me to tell you I'm not going to I want you to tell me what you intended to do I told when you came here I told you I I want you to tell me how you knew this person was underage it's obvious in your chats that you knew this and I'm not buying this song and dance that you didn't you didn't know he was 18 or 13 you thought he was 18 you think he was 18 now because that's what you want to think up here but that's not what it was he knew he was 13 no looking at his his page name had a date which basically insinuates how old you were and by his name and then I made a mistake and by his name his screen name it said 93 no I'm talking about gay.com and you told me everybody lies on the internet well every yeah I know that's how you when you meet somebody that's how you know so then you talked to him and he told you he was 13 you knew he was 13 see then I made a mistake man I okay it's it's a mistake then I made a mistake but it's going to be a mistake that's going to cost you 5 to 10 years unless you deal with it here and now I don't understand what you want me to tell you I'm you just want me to tell you something that that isn't true or incriminate myself myself so you can put me in jail incriminate yourself yeah because that's I'm not asking you to incriminate yourself you're telling I'm asking you to tell me what you were doing I told you I came here to meet somebody okay friends maybe a relationship okay I did not come here to have sex with somebody and that's it that's not what I was looking for I that's not what I was looking for Reed isn't being honest because K is absolutely right when he says they are trying to get him to incriminate himself they have plenty of evidence but a confession is always a plus in an investigation well you know you're going to jail for what for what you've done tonight you drove all the way down here to see an underage child you talked about sex with them online on chat you talked about giving them head you talked about sleeping with them cuddling you were going to stay all weekend you ask if their mom wasn't home you were going to protect them if nothing happened and boot you said if your mom kicks you out you can come and live with me yeah a 13-year-old kid and then you wanted to meet him somewhere and what did they tell you I can't drive an 18yearold can drive can't they unless you lost your license you knew this kid hadn't lost his license maybe I did realize that I just you know but still nothing would have happened sex-wise I'm no nothing wouldn't nothing would have happen sex wise no no not to a child I'm sorry I don't care Tim I see how this developed you've had horrible relationships people have manipulated you treated you like garbage you don't know me even your own parents you don't know Mee with who you are what are you talking about my parents are great people how can you say that you talked about it in your chat they might not they would flip out they probably would gu they're going to find out though so you hide everything about you you can't be real with anybody out there can you but online you can and with this innocent 13-year-old he's not going to judge you because all he's looking for is somebody to understand him see no man see you're s you you're trying to say that it's so easy I did not come here caught up in that you need acceptance and I understand that but until you understand that we're not going to get anywhere with this process but you're telling me that I came up here to have sex with a 13-year-old kid and that is not what I came up here for but that's all you did in the chat was talk about how you were going to come and see him you spent five and six days talking to this kid you already told me that you hope to have more than just a friend relationship May a boyfriend but not but then you told me with boyfriends that you have more than just a friendship that you have an intimate relationship and sometimes you give head or have sex but not with a child but you told me you already realized that this was a child Tim I I would not have had sex with a child I'm sorry I did not come up here to meet a child to have sex with a child Tim you talk to him about the Easter Bunny and Easter basket God everybody I got an Easter basket you ask him if he still believed in the Easter Bunny don't tell me you thought he was 18 ask somebody if they you absolutely ask him no do you still believe in Easter money oh yeah no oh yeah and it's in black and white now come off of it any judge is going to see that any jury is going to see that and they're going to say this guy is absolutely a pedophile I guess it's going to have to go that far away you know it's going to have to go that far then cuz I you know I'm not a pedophile I'm not after you know that's not what I was after what were you after Tim huh you were after a relationship with the 13y old I did not realize he was 13 years old there's no way do you generally talk to 18year olds about the Easter Bunny sure yeah but I you know I got an Easter about s going to high school and you talk to them about their friends and if they're gay and what it's like to be 13 I was 18 I was still in high school but you tell an 18y old that you know what it's like to be 13 when I first had sex at 13 I see I no I did not realize this you had sex at 13 I had sex when I lost my virginity was probably at 13 14 right around there what was what was the circumstance what do you mean was it did you seek it out or did no K continually denies saying the things that they found in the chat logs but each denial sounds weaker and weaker and Reed keeps pressing him not giving him a moment to regroup someone um it was just approach you it was just a mutual thing with who in high school with a friend with an older person I don't want to go there I don't want to go there well I mean you brought it up I'm just trying to help you out mean you're trying to help me understand and I think you brought up for a reason what that I had sex when I was 13 years old yeah I you know that's probably when I lost my virginity did somebody molest you no so you had sex willingly mhm was it with someone your age or someone older my age how did that relationship turn out friends so were you exploring your uh homosexuality at that time actually it was not was with a girl it was with a girl my first time yes so is that when you figured out that you weren't interested in girls I don't know I thought off and on off and on you know I mean I had girlfriends in high school you know I don't know you know I'm you know I like men better sure I do believe so I still think I still think I don't like children you know I'm not looking for you know say children I young men that's not what I you know that's not even right what's not right for underage you know that's what that's not right ABS somebody underage it's not right and that's there's laws and and that's not me that's why we're talking about five to 10 years well I didn't do it I wouldn't do it I mean that's not right that's not right you chatted with a child online now I didn't realize that though I mean I did not realize he did realize it and I have it in the chat and you also well I didn't realize it I mean I might have set it I just you know it just didn't click I guess so is this the profile you saw for joh yeah okay and can you show me where on here you thought that he was 18 I can't because it's not there and it never was here it says 73 yeah but then on his yeah it says he's 13 but you also went there location see Tim see what that's no you see what this looks like yeah I see what it looks like it's terrible it's absolutely Terri yes it is and a jury I still would not a jury will not I still would not have had sex group of youry old children is not going to see it that way it looks like your intent your motivation everything it it's right there on the line you you're a pedophile you're your Predator that's not was not my intentions it was not my intentions you can't make me say that that was my intentions cuz that's not what my intentions were tell me what your intentions I told you I mean I told you but you've told me everything except what you did in that chat except what you and stuff like that but I still don't I would not have sex with somebody without meeting them getting to know them and going through and that's what you intended to do was meet them get to know them and go from there means have sex it was a child no you knew it was a child I did not know it was a child I'm sorry Tim you did I did not come on kind might as well give in Reed is correct when she tells him that no one looking at that chat history will believe that K's intentions were platonic there is no way to get out of this and the best can do for himself is to bring this interview to an end you knew it was a child look that's I'm not going to take anything from you come on man I know what the chats say you know what the chats say we'll just let a judge in a jury SE I guess that's you know the profile doesn't say what you said it said no but 73 age 73 right that's what age you know I thought that was like birth date I don't I made a mistake you thought it was birthday so whenever you were in there you asked how old he was yeah and he said 13 and you said age didn't matter because it was the guy you're interested in see I made a mistake you know cuz I I still a mistake you I still would not have went for somebody because they're underage I'm looking you know 18 would have been fine you didn't have but I made a mistake he didn't have a car he didn't have a driver's license he couldn't meet you somewhere because he was 1 two and two together was 13 years old I did not know that I did not I mean that's I did not know that well we have some paperwork to fill out so when you go to the jail they'll have your information why do I have to go to jail because you have committed a crime you're not going home today I don't know if you understand that or not when they read you your rights it's because you were under arrest when they threw you down on the floor at the house it's because you were under arrest because you had committed a crime this is serious this is not a joke we not walking out the front door without a pair of cuffs on you keep saying that though that you know what I can't go like us it's not right cuz I you know I didn't know the kid was 13 years old I would have never done spell your last name k y n e first name Timothy middle L home number emergency number that's it okay do you have any other name you go by do you go by your middle name or nickname address is uh you're add is Indiana right yes can any help with anything or oh we're getting him rote up he's going to be going down to the jail here in a few minutes and explain to him that he's U looking at some serious charges and if you want to talk about the things that have met those elements of the crime that would be yeah helpful for him I'm sure yeah what's the bail it's going to be very hot Ian I set by a judge so but you're not going to be going home anytime soon they don't want you out meeting somebody else and I did not do anything didn't what happened Tim huh what happened I did not do anything I thought that I did not know that and then the age says he's 73 Reed has come to the conclusion that there is nothing more to be gained from questioning K and she begins the process of closing the interview K still says he did nothing wrong but the fact that he cross the state line with the intent to have sex with a minor is in of itself a crime [Music] but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter was that your handwriting your wording the typing I didn't see any of it some of it sure agent agent re can you mind if I say that I mean some of it sure I mean you're want me to admit to something that's not true I'm I'm I'm not asking you is if you look at this is that your is that your ID up here yes that's yours yes okay is that your conversation you know you told me you're electrician commercial electrician is that what you wrote yes okay so all those all that looks accurate pretty much okay so all those things are accurate correct that you're looking as you can see you kind of go down the whole page and that's you know you you tell me you're a commercial electrician and you're you know kind of to me so that's all correct right I don't know I mean you want to look others here I mean if you want to verify I mean I you know let a lawyer verify it I you know I mean I mean I did not was not my intentions to go and have sex with a 13-year-old kid or rape one or kill one or whatever you guys are insinuating that I'm was here to do but you did drive from Indianapolis did Highland Heights yes okay and but I was on my way to Dayton and you know so okay there no big deal okay and you drove fromand from Indianapolis to Highland Heights and you made your way to it 140 vogle that that correct yeah I mean you guys know that's correct okay I mean you I I'm just I'm just doing basic stuff with you um and you said you bring some movies bring some movies with you yes okay just like I said I was going to get to know somebody you know but I sure in the hell wasn't here to rape a 14-year-old child or not 12 years old not saying you are not saying that that's what you're insinuating that's what you've been trying to get me to tell you that you know I mean that's not the truth so you run some movies to watch with with John right well I don't even know who it was now okay well that was you going watch you going to watch the movies at 140 b well I you know either that or we were going to go to the movies okay you know or go bowling or you know or something you know I mean but it was never my intentions to do that man it's never my intentions to you know what what type of vehicle do you have six Chevy pick up where's where's my vehicle at uh I don't know honest with you I don't know where it's at right now what color was it gray silver great okay K should have already known that the police will be taking possession of his car either with his permission or with a warrant they're going to be searching it for any more evidence all right think that's uh all that I have that you can help me with so I think we're done here get you processed and we'll have an officer transport you down to the jail as soon as we get the paperwork [Music] done can I make a phone call uh they'll take care of that at the jail Timothy K was charged and convicted of a felony count of Interstate travel to engage in sexual assault of a minor K was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison for crossing state lines 20 years of supervised release and lifetime probation and registration as a sex offender thanks again for tuning in drop a like if you like this video and check out my patreon page if you want to support the channel even more stay safe and I'll see you in the next one