I'm going to say that Chad's death was not an accident this video contains the interview of a woman accused of helping to kill her husband and setting the body on fire to cover up her crime in the early morning hours of December 31st 2019 Nikki Ensel and Earl Howard murdered Nikki's husband Chad Edsel and staged the crime scene to look like a suicide Chad was shot twice with a shotgun and bottles of alcohol were strategically left around the room to substantiate Nikki ensel's claim that her husband was an abusive alcoholic the two then left the body but returned later to set a fire in hopes of covering up any evidence on January 2nd 2020 Ensel called 9-1-1 claiming she couldn't get into her house and she thought there was a fire four days before the murder prosecutors noted that Nikki Ensel took out a redder's insurance policy worth twenty six thousand dollars she was also the sole beneficiary to Chad's six hundred thousand dollar life insurance policy something about which she inquired within days of her husband's Murder She and Howard were planning on running away together to start a new life but soon found themselves Prime suspects in the murder investigation [Music] um like I said I cleared my schedule I might have to jump out to take a phone call here now and then just because I can't completely Hide Away um once again I I apologize so much I couldn't get back to you Alex I was in court it just doesn't let me take phone calls or anything no you don't have to apologize for that I just think foreign okay that's me I'm sorry for that um everything else going okay I don't know so that's why I wanted to do it one last time so we can get all this done at my consistently tomorrow after you're done move on to carry your family and get all that stuff you know and like I said it's going to be a long time but I just I want I want music are you able to bothering you in this process so I'm just this is what I'm going to write my report off of um you know to finish yourself let's just get started so uh right away your I just want to make sure I have your name down because I wrote it down on my notepad but it's a full because I know it's Nikki's okay let's just take it nice and slow because I don't hear it I kki space space okay yes [Music] s a e okay now no e right there all right okay so this is your full first name Mickey Sumo okay so let me just skip this so I can have this right this is first this is Middle and um okay and did you have a maiden name before yeah correct h e i n z okay all right and date of birth yeah yeah sorry 2020 is strong enough um okay so because uh and phone numbers just so that I have the new ones or if you have a new phone number so I've been using my work number okay what does that mean that's the one you're calling yeah 701 460 remember okay all right um well like I said I'm going to start all over again okay just so that I have everything so I understand how family works like I said this is what I'm going to finish my report off with thank you so that way I write everything obviously that's why well like I said you know when we talked about this when there's you know uh you know unattended deaths and then a fire and all that you know especially like you said you're already dealing with insurance um so knowing how that's all right yeah Joe I think that's what you're talking about in the car but like I said this is I'm a guy that's going to make this big long report so and you know like I said you know how insurance companies are pencil's tone of voice is almost childlike as if she is trying to make herself sound more innocent this tactic is rarely successful [Music] try to get a roof replacement time they're paying to deal with so I'm going to try to write this the best I can for you um you know for the for the whole situation so that they have no questions to ask them up here um let's just start off who all lives in the house Chad what is transportation all right ENT Z [Music] oh yeah okay um all right so shout outsole traveling until his date of birth quotes briefing 77. and then Marcus Marcos no name Michael the same Heights I almost forgot [Music] and today I'm so sorry no that's cute but I like that Christopher right yeah because that's how I know but I've only known him as Tootie from what we've talked about hey it's Michael it's the same building anything last name Haynes okay anything [Music] yeah okay actually we moved in like the weekend if I can see [Music] okay [Music] hold on let me catch up on this okay no that's fine I'm just so brighter okay [Music] um okay so as are Marcus and Christopher are they biological okay okay together I can't have any markets I have seizures okay though that's great I mean you got two angels how many more do you mean right fantastic you know okay um so all right uh not okay not biological but instead did he ever adopt no we were talking about it um yeah you know so I'm in the same boat I have five stepchildren too but I've never known about anything but mine you know what I mean so uh we just have never gotten around that's yeah that's expensive too well you know yeah yeah are these scientists you know taking that one you know because yes is this the father then or who who is the father of them's dad just doesn't yeah and then he um Ryan um [Music] um just so I know in case you know I mean like I said as far do you have full custody of them yeah okay and what was his name so beautiful custody okay what was biological focusing um Ryan is is so Ray can you remember here okay right here right here and right right here right right there you go all right Ryan's last name was like okay how do I spell that okay case here yeah okay and then Henry was yeah because we went to a kind of legal battles okay [Music] all right and then they're out of the picture all right um Nikki what I know you've hunted your catering business uh is and you what where else do you work again community actions okay so what's the name of your computer business and I did um it's called North Carolina as she answers the basic questions Ansel abandons her tears and becomes chatty given the impression that she has forgotten why she is there the detective has maintained a friendly tone and it has been successful in lowering her guard [Music] so that's that's just one yeah so that explains all the big like 100 pounds of sugar and flour I was like holy this was okay yeah all right well I said I just never put together yes um Nikki savory sweets and also um I pray that I need to know because I was like they have to that has to be discouraged okay I'll put that I'll just write that in right when I'm writing the report I have to have that on there wow okay okay so here I got that okay and I'll make sure up here and put a bastards by important um okay and then what was it Community Options oh okay and what do you do there it's called my specialist okay I work with FTR program I think these people wanted to get back in that didn't work okay I'm gonna go back to work and it's like you're getting after this system so it's her like uh someone who's got out of like a jail or out of the system of some sort yeah they they say they're living on like water oh okay yeah sounds good all right and then how long have you been employed there how was the last before I was like big sense yeah it'll be honest almost a month okay what is Dixon's yeah oh really okay yeah okay and then I just entered the dispatch program so I was hurt I'll listen about learning emphasis oh I'm sorry so oh well I mean I guess you gotta start on something that's really helping me you know too but um so Dixons how long were you implied there is almost three years [Applause] [Music] [Music] okay I'm sorry I'm really bad with all businesses and stuff I like I like GrubHub and I'm like stuff like that so all right um Okay so we've got kind of your history on that as far as your work history um where have you all lived thumb here and grab again okay where on the east coast in New York oh cool all right like that Upstate yeah okay all right all right and then um how long have you been in North Dakota okay all right and then obviously you guys said you just moved in to this residence on Mid November um maybe I remember I remember seeing you imagine you had lived somewhere else [Music] [Music] pretty good oh okay um treatment [Music] okay [Music] okay I can't think of where that is a what was the closest thing to that company oh okay all right now I know where you're at um did you guys live here anywhere else foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] um all right so let's go ahead and touch out a little bit um so first off how did you guys meet you're racing the detective starts out with easy questions such as when Ansel first met her husband because they are unrelated to the crime she will answer these questions more freely which will make it more obvious when she starts to avoid questions or hesitate with her answers amazing yeah okay I didn't know I [Music] Am racing through racing okay so what kind of racing were you going to uh say okay yeah I understand what was it like everywhere you go to the drags or were you doing like with the funny cars no like um how do you Stacks read stack oh okay all right I don't know a lot about it but my my sister she married the guy who was some of the little cars yeah so yeah they do it I was actually born on bushes so um but yeah she's doing I don't know a lot but I know it's kind of expensive thing but um yeah um so so you met your racing um like just be right now from my space unit just out from there and I don't know games so we traveled back and forth and we only got to see each other because of my driving distractions what are you guys dating though okay so where did you meet at like in North Dakota or South Dakota or yeah well when you met the when you met him when you started Jamestown okay so um all right and uh so was he racing or he was racing okay and were you racing to that nope yes and then he raised that he would go to Russian race okay [Music] yeah but we traveled back and forth and then um after studying [Music] we're going okay best friends of his okay and what was in the area speaking with us when we have anything in Arizona they should advise so oh okay so um so this is after two years uh you guys if you talked to did he pop the questions all right um so how long after you how long were you guys we go back and forth and sometimes they get up here [Music] he's so original special [Music] I mean your name is graduating and then he has a good place on here so yeah sorry ideas [Music] for that that's a translation for Chad [Music] where was he going two weeks ago oh okay right um with uh Teresa of wine or yeah and so volunteers much more information than necessary but the longer she speaks on safe topics she believes it may distract the detective from harder questions she may also think that she seems more cooperative something [Music] nice because we get some gym teams any nervous both with some kids [Music] because [Music] [Music] utility Center or transactions cheers uh kind of like his sister specifically okay this nice place there same age as well friends Okay so [Music] or something else to do something so they're close yeah are you still alive yeah um I'm just thinking this might take I'll try to hurry as fast as I can but just in case this this takes a little longer like I said I just want to be done I don't want to be anymore um is there any way you think maybe worry could maybe credit the kids or stay with them just for a little bit so we can finish this'll be okay okay um tell me a little bit more about uh uh chats your relationship with God his relationship with the boys didn't do a whole lot together they Max is older you know when I was a kid they kind of do their own thing you know yeah okay I do a lot you know do you want to do different things and Chad has this let's see because all those different things and he's gone out of home really slide it's not six nights a week sometimes more yeah but it's nice enough then they'll evolved in and after going more and all that I I was so messy we should do some more stuff just me and you so is he more active with the boys than he was with you he left it was usually okay I said we should just go through stuff yeah me and you said so what's that older and they can stay you know but until for an hour or two if you don't hang out nobody promises or something here's some stuff for them or he was gonna go about things whatever you should have like huge or something I'm gonna do some stuff together with his eyes [Music] completely just need you all right [Music] okay okay [Music] everything [Music] [Music] we did stuff he actually come help me with him in the medicine okay [Music] when Edsel describes Chad's relationship with the boys she implies that there were two sides to him this may be both a bid for sympathy and to build a future case a possible self-defense [Music] let me see you'll get better yeah drink [Music] when they do start to notice his drinking increase [Music] two years ago so that's one that's awesome kind of started when you started noticing it I guess but when you said that you set yourself increase no tears so that's two years ago 2018. okay this is two years [Music] they're coming so beautiful [Music] everything is rabbi because I've had cancer I'm starting two years now that's something how much was he drink please oh my gosh people losing excuse me or something like anyone else [Music] it was right after my clothes yeah [Music] [Music] see you later [Music] okay it wasn't like darks or something or anything [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] this was two years ago okay so that was when what November two years ago remember [Music] allegedly Chad had been drinking heavily for the past several years and it was placing a strain on the relationship she is sobbing and using a Meek tone of voice in an effort to make herself sound like a victim thank you safe does it ever get worse from them I think my arms that's just a regular call store [Music] okay or anything yeah they ever get suspicious about it or anything foreign [Music] [Music] [Applause] everything who did you notice of course okay [Music] thank you because with my conditions otherwise they lose it helps so what are all your conditions disease so I'll make this a lot better burying in my body I'm gonna make cancer didn't have really bad we are just asked that it because it's noon and if I'm reading it correctly this goes on for a couple hours it does your honor and so I'm fine with you continuing and if there's a better place to pause in the next five or ten minutes I just don't wanna I can't assume we're watching the next two hours we can let it stop here you're honor and take a lunch break after lunch we'll we'll resume so we'll take a break if everyone can be back so we're ready to come back into the courtroom at 1 30. members of the jury you are admonished and advised that you have a duty not to converse among yourselves or with anyone else on any subject connected with this job for a while and that they just love dancing they have dancing again [Music] my car two weeks ago yes okay so you saw you're on the treadmill and you see them all in the parking lot looking at a car yeah you followed me because I can follow you [Music] questions the accusations of the abuse were never proven but it can't be ruled out completely as a lie it may have occurred or have been greatly exaggerated family members deny ever seeing any signs that Chad was abusive but that in and of itself is inconclusive you're amazing [ __ ] things I do [ __ ] this like that and do that okay download right away and then he came home and he said everything has some drinks and then and they just would be very quiet did he just drink his drink straight very nice you said you'd be really quiet one I just was quiet like I just see right see yes see if he's doing cook something here that was a German how are the boys are Advocate penetrating stuff to do like with work sitting to do a ton of training set right force it and do it just right get upstairs themselves that was two weeks ago yes [Music] like how much registerable careers [Music] no it's for two weeks he's right down the hallway and this is Emily did he go well he was drinking like that too though you just leave whatever oh ready to go slow please there's a problem global yes definitely has experience yeah yeah no problem I know exactly like this right so you're going to do something different um [Music] please stop creepy yeah and then this is even better I'm gonna say no more okay The Voice the boys would shoot in the car with you that'd be hard to explain to uh yeah I mean so yeah did you ever tell anybody about the abuse at all difficult friends [Music] you oh gosh when the kids know us like that that's I mean if it's not apparent to a 12 year old so what was your plan for jobs just different places [Music] for me the boys just a hope let's go just start now given how abusive Chad was supposed to be in combination with how much he was drinking it is odd that no one noticed that he was having some sort of trouble if he actually followed her to the gym someone would have seen that confrontation ensel's story seems off but she is selling it hard with her tears Maybe [Music] maybe that would be the thing that changed his drinking or if that was maybe that was your chance to start over when it's cold I didn't know yeah it is you're so mad because yeah expression so did you know I mean how serious were you on applying for jobs I've had so many reasons oh okay when were you planning on going through I know you told me the other day um okay it's it's the answer yeah [Music] you can go see it right there yeah um then you can you know the house is a little bit different you know but options were everywhere yeah all different places like I have to be able to be best for the boys and because [Music] that was a bad weather like we haven't even had cream maybe that'll be a good thing for when it's just all over you know we have a loose you know that that time is open near me [Music] Focus so you didn't even have uh have any idea when you were gonna do it I received today I was gonna do it I'm gonna do it okay if you're discussed with anybody else about him like his family to try to get reach out or anything my brother yeah yeah Ansel claims she spoke to Chad's sister about the abuse but this is a lie you start drinking fishing off what she was drinking she did he said it raining about because I asked before [Music] he's been gone he was passed away before he's passed away okay Sergey yes all right let me grab a few more times a drink Chad's family set at the trial that he rarely drank when he did they described him as becoming giggly there is nothing to suggest that he had a problem with alcohol about it thinking what was what was Chad like does it mean what's he had I mean what was he like was roller coaster roller coaster wasn't just with the drinking would you drink is up and down baby [Music] sweater anyway did he did he get to work on time and stuff like that or let's see if we played all the time he always means work I don't know but I don't know yeah but he left the house or something at some point did he ever sleep over sleep or something because of the drinking um okay [Music] [Music] thank you so much oh your brother was there that night too could you ever told him about it before I remember you said you had said that you had kind of let him know him over the weekend before hey just everything to you to resolve it yeah okay everybody said something family [Music] it was do you have it at your house no they were up with my better if you can say oh okay so you went to Dickinson no the kids were out there oh did my mom would come through okay pick up the kids and they go today and said and you know because everyone has two nephew I have two numbers yeah yeah okay foreign did you guys go to Thanksgiving over here though we have Thanksgiving okay so you didn't even see the boys on Thanksgiving what did your brother say to you when he told me what the kids saying so far thank you then we're going to use them having in the city again is it for Thanksgiving and you talked about it did he did he say anything that I mean to make opinion to do you want to help at all or anything yeah seriously [Music] we need help so yeah I used to doing what needs to be done right Ansel continues to solve and repeats that she only wanted Chad to stop drinking as much as he consumed it is strange that he was always able to make it to work and perform his job without any issues all right so let's go let's do the let's move this forward let's go back to what what when the when did the kids go to South Dakota again the 20th okay and what did we what was what was going on there it was pretty straight okay but I mean they didn't want to stay home or you didn't want to stay home or what they always the thing was they always would go with Grandma um here's what's Grandma and he always grandma and then they went they can say hang out there and then come back and then we have Christmas hair okay so it's a loop yeah so okay so this is something normal yeah yeah okay yeah and then of course you know that she'd be starting right yeah did they ever make it to take himself this is last this pastor yeah it's in November or for Thanksgiving they didn't end up going for Christmas not never yet sick and then the boys are sick and then we have other storms right and then they went up there with them um they don't know Friday Thursdays this past that just this last weekend but weekend before they went up to Dickinson okay all right yeah this is Haley's birthday okay and then that's the marriages and then right do everything because of all the time they just couldn't get up there this is Patrick Heather's birthday was the first so whatever it was Hadley's birthday was the first yeah so they were going to do it yeah okay no it's all right the days of you know especially with these breaks so that was the first time that they were out there and then um come on going to school um hope the kids were taking them do they know I'm sorry it's hard um so how did this all how did this all take place when you left so obviously the kids are gone so you don't have to worry about it it might be weird Monday throughout the first networking because they know heat again for Christmas okay and I said I'm done I'm tired of literally I said there's no heat I said I can't I can't keep staying here no there's no need I said acid it's not it's not working for me it's for my Ms to my everything I said that all the boys right [Music] thank you [Music] anyway whatever see see I can't stay here where is its way he's done that Observer bullying but this was Monday well what time is that yesterday were born married 6 30. he said foreign [Music] and and you know about it when asked about what led up to the events of Chad's death Ansel claims she left the house because of the lack of heat it is true that she was staying in a hotel room one paid for By Her Lover Earl Howard I can't do the no heat right is this before work yeah I can't yeah is it maybe after Christmas I'm sorry where did you go Israel [Music] oh okay I thought you said this was Monday that you guys got the argument before it was before yeah oh okay even yeah I told him there was paper on the and yeah boys [Music] stay away stay away foreign [Music] feet so you might need that money there will be another amen ities because he just said it's 700 series or 760 series whatever it's I don't know you're calling me I suppose we're playing drinking games Monday morning than that but Tuesday what do you mean by drinking gaps [Music] so Can't Get Enough oh I called it when you when you went when you went back from clothes you didn't do meds or anything and uh when I talked to yesterday who said um you know some commercials yeah they didn't take very long I just grabbed some pants and like 200 guys that said whatever the amount of devices yeah you're not really thinking of a situation like that girl I mean I wouldn't even know where to start if I was gonna hurry I mean how long I mean yeah I didn't think we were there for maybe 30 minutes maybe yeah because when you don't so they can go real fast yeah um who is your friend and she uh who's I mean is he a neighbor or something or what no it's just two areas or started to take anybody else and instead of being a repeat customer and hang out and being friends with us and yeah everything else and also so Chad doing yeah foreign [Music] Howard is painted as something of a white knight coming to ensel's rescue at least in her mind in reality she has just described a man who may be willing to help the woman he loves to commit a crime [Music] we should always the best you don't want to see the rain again [Music] doing Tuesday was it working I just got done with it I mean even on the clients thank you thank you [Music] sorry it's I went to work whatever you found out and he ended up and he came to my work you see Brady yeah I was busy playing I looked at the clock and it was me close that's close to what eight o'clock close to eight o'clock okay [Music] because that had happened before do you remember when that was okay he showed up so I called him said he might be calling and they said okay tell me about the day Bridge we're right where's that at overnight I got to give him while working on it oh okay okay yeah so you did that and you know anything I've been working with all my medical assistant give me some space give me some kind of thing I was supposed to get up and looking at the bodies and we had that awesome a storm no and so as I don't have to promote smile all day I said well I said my happy values just cause my rose and everything else so he said stay here do nothing and then do anything for New Year's at all or anything too yeah I just didn't know yeah okay and um then seriously happened went to work just like any other day this video very nice it was like running for like the minute I entered in the door and then if one ever came across my phone sorry answered that was it was cold from his work and he said I haven't been home for a few days I said I can't I can't get away I said I have a super busy day of class all day and who says you know you can't take people to your home right yeah and I said I'm sorry I can't get away I said if her contacts them and he goes well let me know what we find out and I said yes so I tried to call into a text I didn't hear anything back and I had to get ready for my ex-client and then he sent me a message saying that they had been out there and his truck was there and he's answered I just said you know I was utilized as I could but I just couldn't and then I had money at work and it starts at you know four because we have our innovating meetings you know and maybe and after that it was then okay he said it was the other cards it's something new I know because it smells funny out there yeah an interesting point about ensel's statement is the fact that Chad's workplace was immediately concerned when he did not show up that day this does not match the behavior of an alcoholic who is unreliable and shows that edsel's claims about his constant truckiness were probably false in the door [Music] they got you guys um yeah well like I said then you know we kind of talk from there um when you got there I mean you set yourself in the smoke because okay you see it again in the glass right there is [Music] like Smoky Bird yeah you just give up boys about [Music] yeah I think that was probably the fireman and autopsy would later reveal that Chad was dead before the fire started and had been killed by two shots from a shotgun they didn't know what they uh you know if he was alive yeah amazing [Music] it's gonna be okay [Music] okay my hearings are you still are you staying off family or anything I don't know where you're still at this the hotel still no doubt are you doing okay there for finances and stuff and everything like that yeah but why well that's what that's what I want us yeah let's hear them oh I'm talking to the to the surgeon and I do a surgeon if you want to see if she can grab again and we can finish up okay bye she's on the road and that's that's what I want you know that's what I'm trying to go through to and figure I'll walk away why [Music] um so you're doing okay though as far as finances and stuff for the hotel and stuff yeah okay and how long have you been renting that hotel this year Monday excuse me Wednesday so entrance is pain analysis the third oh the insurance is paying did you pay for the room before that yeah so you just put that on like your credit card or something did you yeah yes everyone know s didn't even have a drink no okay um and like I said that's like I said I I was gonna I was gonna put as much work into this little country to find out okay um the uh did you see anything when you went back you know to the house anything weird or anything like that I'm sorry I couldn't think when you switched me out there very well like I made up those videos but yeah I'm sorry [Applause] [Music] I'm sorry particular [Music] I'm sorry I guess what I meant was the night you went back with your friends to grab stuff was there anything that was different around the place maybe give me some medicine do you know what that time was the furnace working thank you um told me Heather okay we have a video but who did you who all came to try to fix that thing if he comes in place okay when was that right when you moved in what was the time frame on that oh but we can call him oh feeling cold I called them Oh I thought you said you didn't call and I'm like sure I found them okay and then um who they know yeah and then they'd tell you whatever they fixed because okay yeah so but I mean I understand when did it when did they come and try to fix this thing was it like November December so you had troubles with this furnace right then yeah that's right okay foreign was there twice so they came in right away in November and then when did they come again okay I mean do you remember what kind of was it a long time after you've moved home not long after he moved it because that's first too it was a all right well apparently it wasn't me it was maybe we can have five days two weeks there's always we know yeah you don't get no matter I didn't land I come out and messed with it a couple times he won't mess with it I don't know what he did but he died did they ever say anything was wrong did they replace Parts what was your how much was your bill um yeah it was expensive right because the service call was a holiday hey hey he said he was talking to somebody in there telling me what to do so oh okay he had it all taken apart I don't know he's not here mechanical thing well he's not a famous person name yeah so the landlord was up there once or twice and when was that this is a new phone okay this isn't my phone was it do you remember it was a like before or after Christmas before before Christmas okay so it's been a little bit thank you but not that long right no I'm just trying to figure out it's an issue [Music] okay I'm just going to switch switch [Music] like a switch on the furnace foreign [Music] [Music] you know it if I was just yeah just for the rent yeah so you put your own utilities you paid your own electric you put your own water and all that so you pay 12.50 for a house with only did um so you guys went on those cold nights with the kids you would sleep in the car okay um [Music] you know okay I think of when planning their crime Ansel and Howard probably thought it would be safe to use the fire since there had been documented issues with the heating unit however all it really does show is that they use this to their advantage okay um so we had talked just briefly on the phone one time about Chad if he was right or left-handed and remember you said he was of course he already just put it I don't try to remember who's the he used to see he could shoot wrong-handed in if you're ready said it was hard to teach 2D from this Traditions she's right-handed YouTube you should go through right-handed okay and he said look here here's this is sometimes we get show me how to shoot because sometimes it's easier for him to hold frog hand it and charity will go sometimes I hope you know sometimes I hold Brown handed I said there was call that was wrong-handed and you know sometimes I shoot right-handed so um when you're saying shooting it so is it basketball or is it like shooting a gun no they would go out and shoot Culligan or like here that was the 2D and went to do it was like after Christmas and they fill up the gingerbread house of Tannery blow it up or what was your palette like Paladin yeah and he said sometimes it was hard because he said sometimes it felt more comfortable to shoot wrong-headed and Savannah felt more comfortable to shoot right-handed I said I am I I don't I don't do anything with it so I said I don't know but you know she also sometimes yeah it's mad because it's very happy for me because he says he knows was just kind of different [Music] okay what was Chad someone who got frustrated easily so yeah he was a person okay um what was what was his normal how that went to go to bed I mean the uh he was drinking bad yeah years by the name standing please move your hands sometimes your prevalence [Music] here [Music] anyway Ricky is here and then they said and bottles were inside he gets here and then he always had a glass up here and sometimes he puts the cans here but sometimes he just let them true and sometimes they came together but usually it always to stop insurance they say the sometimes if I said I want to sit in the middle yeah Lisa Karen either side has passed it in the middle and he goes well you see my you decide then you know [Music] did he uh did he shower before that or anything like that yeah okay um if he did he sleep with Pajamas or anything nope naked wasn't a good while it's like well not only first week ever he'd sleep with his boxer guy not know him supplies are coming around right and you how is it made it to see how much stuff I don't actually know what I don't want to know was it something to be I'm gonna let you tell me is it showing kids okay oh sorry you normally okay sometimes he said anything tonight depending on if the power felt right and I was having too much um did you did you sleep with a door opener clothes when the waves were gone they always cover their whole thing and then but this time she wants something very close I guess the detective is trying to get a picture of Chad's normal bedtime routine to see if it varies from the position in which the body was found it was okay the boys didn't come down to her I mean big no more because they did they were always hollered for me before before the who were the boys so here's the hallway yeah right coming out and here's my changing room okay there's there's the bathroom here's what you do here's this is two of these room and reference is downstairs okay all right so that makes sense um okay and then were there I know you know you said you're weren't a gun person but um were there any guns in the house I know you're someone who's yeah well it's okay like I said that whatever you can remember or whatever you know it is sure okay where were they kept heirloom in your room okay [Music] so the guns were kept in the room um where was the ammunition go I was always supposed to be out by twos please [Music] obviously but a lot of times he always will keep each other [Music] thank you I'm gonna I'll be right back I'm gonna grab the water would you like a water foreign [Music] what do you think happened here [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] stop drinking says everybody always wants to tell me what to do and then I told him I was upset with her and Brian probably he says it looks like they do anything right maybe it's just so [ __ ] away sometimes I never played into it [Music] thank you we can go someplace cameras okay oh thank you so different what do you what do you think happened here I don't know okay okay [Music] I think you asked me why um Ansel claims that she doesn't know what happened but everything she is saying is heavy with the implication that Chad shot himself if she can get them to believe that she thinks that she can get away with the murder of her husband but I I don't know why but I do know how hello okay so yeah so Nikki Emma obviously let me go through something like this here I mean I don't know if you just kidding or not sure anything but I don't know um we're able to do a lot with digital information you know we're able to um get information off the cell phones we're able to to track the location of the cell phones we're able to go back and pull surveillance video um even sometimes if someone has turned it off or if it doesn't work we can still recover that um you know we're able to basically go through that scene and find tiny little things that the naked Idol doesn't see me um you know we have a lot of new technology that we can do a lot of stuff with and I pulled no stops on this one as you asked me why when I wanted to find out for you so we can we can do all that and uh you know like I said we can track all those cell phones so do you know we can we can go back we can look at camera footage from the area of vehicles coming and going um I'm going to say that Chad's death was not an accident right based off of all of the information that I've gathered trans death was not an accident [Music] well and that's what I I wanted to talk to you and what I wanted you to hear it from me you know going into this um like I said we we have pulled so many resources on this and we have used so much technology on this we know how this happened and Mickey I think you know how to I know that's right um did not die in the fire okay thank you Chad was killed by a gun show he was killed by a firearm yeah we did an autopsy on the Chad and there was no soot in his lungs or in his throat and that tells us that Chad was dead before the fire started okay there was also a gunshot wound to check whether it's gun shop on the chat and that happened before the fire you know so is there is there anybody you can think of that's involved with this do you know who's involved with us do you know anything about Japan do you know anything about trans [Music] um I said we did find the gun on scene [Music] it's okay I think we need to finish with this anyway so is there anybody else who's been in that house [Music] you know the college I mean Ansel tries to deny everything from knowledge of how her husband died to whom may have had access to their home it is a desperate attempt and one that will not serve her well for the in and out was there anybody else besides um was it Earl with you when you came back nope have you ever see anybody in the house when you were there when you came back you say [Music] so you see how long were you guys in the house [Music] nothing happened when you guys were there okay so I came at 8 30. when he was chatting bowling then okay little sisters okay so we didn't see anybody there nothing seemed not a place [Music] who is a girl to you I know and I said you buy stuff we came with your friends and he's hanging out you know we all know him you know joke back and forth we you know thank you all that that back and forth it's okay you could tell me if were you guys romantically involved or anything no okay so you weren't boyfriend or girlfriend or anything no I'm I'm married I know but you know I just with all that going on no I'm married he's married always right excuse me excuse me all right so did you did you tell her all about the abuse or anything like that he saw the Bruce works yeah a couple times but he just said you know I wish you wish you guys fast you know did you ever see him angry bird no he just he goes I'm not getting married so yeah you guys don't do Your Own Thing to you know figure it out you know like I told my brother my brother-in-laws yeah [Music] Chad was killed Chad was murdered it's not a suicide there were multiple gunshots yes like I said I know how I just need to know why no foreign [Music] [Music] why would that happen knowing that the detective believes her to be guilty Ensel once again employs the use of tears to come across as The Grieving Widow and Buy Herself enough time to think of something convincing to say where did you go after after you guys came back from born after you came there when Chad was that bowling [Music] who's winning can we give yourself baby he over here oh oh okay um so you came back to the hotel what happened [Music] just you and Earl for for home when feeling experience okay so you guys had separate rooms okay after I'm done with work I'm pretty much [Music] and my stuff going everywhere and that's been stolen yeah so we're all spent the night in his room but but you didn't know where he was I didn't know if you left after that or anything like that okay thank you um we also have the ability we have the video from the hotel okay so I know you came back with Earl right and like I said I need you to be you know honest with me on what what all goes down because I'm trying to figure out I know how I even know why that's Chad hamburger [Applause] Nick yeah I can't change what happened but I can explain how or why every time Ansel is faced with a hard question answer sobs wildly in an effort to avoid having to give a full answer but I can explain how or why what so Nikki you need to be asked me to do in a role stay in the same room well in his room you know everything is oh no no we even got that area at the room the other room I don't know like that in my room the living room so you guys have water well thank you [Music] the bedroom you have to pull out so we know about Mickey you know when you guys came when you guys won I'm asking because I know you're here a good person I mean I'm just talking with you've been through so much um and you know I just need to find out why I know how I know when I know where to do that did you have anything to do with that stuff yeah okay do you do you do you know if Earl would have anything to do no he wouldn't the chance to no do you know if Earl would have anything to do yeah [Music] is there anyone else you could think of okay baby um [Applause] where where is where does Earl live is that call me in Canada he lives in Canada it's a project manager so he travels around when did when did you when did you guys or when did you guys run through and then sending something you would Arrangement someday he would have rented Nick Nick you said you didn't get into a fight until Monday why did you rent a hotel room Sunday when I was in town okay so who rented the hotel okay okay and so have you talked Earl before when I was going to town okay yeah I knew he was already coming down okay so and when did you talk to him and discuss thank you okay so Monday night let's start that's right you got earliest the day you got in the fight so then you went back um from when people start bowling you said you're at the house for about 30 minutes right I know we carried out in different languages um okay so after you left the house with the laundry baskets tell me everything that happened [Music] and yes when describing the events that she considers safe Ensel is able to remain calm either she is being truthful during Those portions or she is competent that she will not be caught in a lie yes he was doing a lot and I said I couldn't sleep because I'm so upset I said to me right around we just talked for a while in the hotel or what a hotel room good one [Music] and just I'm lost I understand what don't you understand Nikki yeah when are things why why he was going to come soon with me [Music] do you guys ever leave their room that night thank you so full of everything right now so you don't remember if you left the room Monday night no smokes so I mean maybe that my outside meetings knowledge I mean he does not get against smoking around okay I looked at the video I know you left that night I want you to be as fast [Music] um because I was I was um houses at the whole Lane is full of Christmas lights okay what time did you guys go there then I was I couldn't sleep like after Chad it was 10. [Music] do you think it was was it shortly after you talked to Chad [Music] um [Music] Christmas lights this video [Music] just want to thank you something commonly do to just track everybody where they're going or if they've been there we take we get all the video from cameras that are in the area and on the ropes they would take [Music] so I've already pulled some of that video okay so I know that you guys left the hotel okay I know you guys once more did you when you went to Candy Camera and did you ride with Pearl what did you what did you drive in thank you this is uh this is Joy hi um he's with uh Bureau of Criminal investigations hello and uh I have to go some that's right I wanted to come in and we knew that so we wanted to get Ian here as soon as we could then sorry I had some other things going on too so I missed a lot of prep you've been talking to him for a while okay so um I guess at this point you know I've reviewed everything which the biggest thing you need to be doing right now is you gotta be honest about everything we have a lot of information I was at the crime scene um I helped process the crime scene that's kind of what my thing is on a lot of this is the processing and analyzing of things and all I do is criminal investigation right so um I know you've been talking to him and told him some things some of that I can tell you right now is not true um I know we you know we have video like he said um we have when you're coming and going from that room but I think that some of it you just need to explain a little bit better maybe um like for me I missed out on some once your relationship with Earl we've known each other and I said he first bought cookies and every these they always came into the area where you Edwin Peter cooked for him before and we've more so developed a joking relationship he's hung up with my kids I you know I've met his daughter I've you know have you met his wife you said he was married yeah Okay no Okay I know so what is a girl doing in North Dakota he's coming here dude he's got a couple project manager jobs that he's coming to Scout and all that so okay all right and Chad knows it all okay are they friends they're mad they've hung out they've you know said he's he came over and you know it's I guess I mean pretty much anybody that comes over at my fingers is Young to come over the order for me you pretty much already have free range from the house and have a bite to eat and order for me what do you mean in order for me I'm a catering business oh okay so all right um so Chad knows Earl they get along yeah okay and so then I understand you were staying at the Staybridge okay so who you were staying with Earl he was already had already had their room there and I told him I said I was upset Monday and I said you know I just spend some time the furnace is working so for everything I said I and I told you I said I can't keep doing don't open this working I don't want to be here I said it's been up pretty much since we've been living here the detectives press Ansel about her relationship with Howard and she still maintains it was platonic the fact that he just happened to be in town at the time of Chad's death is just a bit too hard to swallow you know I wouldn't be here I said you know I was drinking you know and at that point I said I just left I you know edited to work it works Monday you know I've seen them oh no it just helps with me we grab some stuff and that so so what a chat that can be going and staying in a hotel room with parole and he said something different than we went to go to Texas you know I went to meet when you said we said we went to Texas so who's we you and Chad are you in earlier yeah and that's them but I mean I went over to the cities and chop them at his Emirates you know um Earl and his daughter over there and you know for a weekend think of you going and staying in a hotel room with it all right Chad didn't think anything of that really I'm a married man myself he's married that would not fly with I don't know any guy that would fly with that and it's like no stay what would your thought if Chad had went and stayed with Earl's wife in a hotel room while you stayed home just be realistic here mine's Lisa we went to the cities and we hung out it was me I talked to Chad every night yeah you know and you know FaceTime that I mean because you have fun you know we hung out I got stuff from when we were there we you know I talked to the boys we did different things I mean so do you and Earl it's more than just a friendship I mean there's definitely a romantic relationship there right okay so if I told you that we had some some information from some of the apps on your phone that says differently what would you say to that anybody can say anything huh you know we can talk back and forth with me we have a side back in person said you know yeah I think he's you know super nice person he thinks that you know I'm super beautiful and you know you know I don't hang out with I'm not being in the drinking scene I'm not beginning to all that you know so when you delivery you know we hang out we you know sit and talk you know we do the same I do I you know somebody you know I like it I can tell I love them I mean I think it's together I love when he comes to town we we hang out we you know we do this we do that and you know you go hang out you spend time together you do whatever and you know it's different things you know things that you know Chad won't do with me you know so so I mean so is it a romantic relationship I guess that's what I'm asking no okay okay nope I I do I I love to change I I don't doubt that at all and part of the reason I'm in here is like I had said I I saw the crime scene we have all the evidence to kind of know what happened here and a crime scene like that and what happened in the chat can have been done by someone that could be constructed as a monster or it could be someone that if they had a reason for that but it would need to be explained otherwise it's going to look like it was done by someone who was a monster and that's [Music] that it it was a fairly brutal scene I mean Chad like he explained had been shot and then the house was on fire I can't I'm sorry I can't understand you okay what don't you understand I believe that I have no doubts about that but I'm going to be straight up with you I believe that you know what happened and I think it's in your best interest to just be honest with us about what you know all right so um we can come tell me about then what you did when you showed up around 10 after one in the morning you in Earl where at your house don't forget to tell you that when you try and watch the forensic expert is harsher with Ensel than the detective has been they have letter Coast through the interview long enough and now it is time to shake her up I'm not with the camera system it didn't actually lie too hot and put you in that privacy mode and kept recording yeah it did yeah so yeah so help me explain this that's what I'm here to do explain I went out you went out where [Music] but you said that you keep your meds in your purse okay okay so tell me what happened when you guys were out there because it was you and Earl it's on video okay just so then [Music] let's go on that I'm not going to go in the house and dig around I usually have them out so so you couldn't find them so you left okay because I have them I always said about them understand there's a good stand when you first coming murders your crock pot and so I left I said I can't right here [Music] so what happened when you guys were in the house because Chad was there at that point okay [Music] something [Music] she was breaking news well here's here's the only problem with that Mickey is you guys were there for an hour and 40 minutes didn't look for your patches for an hour and 40 minutes Well Chad said they're drinking look at me Nikki you did not look for your patches or your medicine for an hour and 40 minutes while Chad sat there drinking did you I couldn't find my parents I I understand that I believe that do you care about the kitchen and doing one um [Music] and what was Earl doing during that time [Music] and where was Chad at okay and Chad just sat there drinking and him and Earl just sat there and talked why you look for your meds or anything okay and what did you guys do for an hour and 40 minutes because you didn't look for your meds and it didn't take you an hour and 40 minutes to empty your dishwasher load your dishwasher and push go through the garage [Music] we're in the house and user drinking whatever it's not bad did what no oh okay and I put it I just taped stuff into the 1200 into that trash can you know and close your dishwasher that went into the pantry they're gone for some stuff in the pantry it's up in the quarters and my mermaids and I said I'm I'm leading him about we left again when you left my Chad man [Music] and you're going to stay in the hotel with Earl right well no I'm not I'm not Ansel makes a reversal to her story and says that Chad was upset that she was leaving which is understandable since his wife was staying in a hotel room with another man this is hardly a situation where he would sit and make small talk for almost two hours with a man who was staying with his wife saying that didn't mean that way I cannot imagine if Chad was sitting there drinking you show up at home with Earl and then you're gonna hang out there for an hour and 40 minutes and then go and leave and go back to a hotel with Earl the chance probably quite passed right so what happened when we were when you guys were there something happened yes [Music] [Applause] yeah did some what else happened there there was it I went upstairs the game with the garage door opener because it was open and then we left did you maybe go out to the vehicle and they all stayed inside for a little while after the vehicle this afternoon he put his boots on them and came out and laughed and then what happened yeah and then like um [Music] um what time do you go to work glad to be there bye together by 7 30 again live so here we have been wearing Iran and um we already got something where'd you run and get something at all right I was having that coffee okay all right I'm sorry that's fine because then explain to me why at 6 32 there was someone back out there you guys are back out there don't claim you don't know okay here's the thing are we about done lying I need my patches that's fine and I understand that but I need my patches so I snuck into the house and ran right back out um and left so you ran into grabbed your patches and so now you can run back out there at 6 32 and be back out of the house in about five minutes and you knew where your patches were but that hour and 40 minutes that you guys were out there earlier I can't find them I finally got something about your glasses okay but that has nothing to do with that you're telling me that you spent an hour and 40 minutes out at the house or a couple hours earlier looking for your patches and couldn't find them and then at 6 32 you go out there and just run in and grab me you know where they're at maybe I have them in the bathroom we'll check the bathroom so for an hour and 40 minutes you didn't check the bathroom you know I I think that you feel bad about what happened yeah look at me though you feel bad about what happened don't you oh why what what's happened in the chat at this point I had nothing to do with what happened here's the deal on this the longer time goes on which you do know it's not going to get any easier it's going to keep building up and building up on you you're not going to later on feel better about this the only way you're going to have any closure to this at all is for you to be honest with us and since I've been in here you haven't been honest to me at all I don't know what's happening about I don't that's what it has two guys I don't know but then why do you keep lying to me I was going to do is run out and grab my patches sorry they are rapidly losing patience with Ansel her lies are completely falling apart but even when faced with evidence she doesn't confess foreign Middle School okay yes okay bye all right foreign [Music] but that's not what happened that's not at all what happened I don't know what happened to him I don't know here what I'm saying is that's not what happened in fact okay let's send your mom the address so that that can get taken care of foreign damn I don't I and you may not have seen exactly what happened to him I don't know what happened but I think you have a really good idea of what happened I don't know what happened but you have a really good idea what happened no I don't yes you do no I don't because there's no reason at this point that you would be lying to me about all this other stuff and the only time you're even telling us you're out of that house is when I call [ __ ] on your story right not or I stopped it now because my brain is full of everything I believe it happened I believe it you have went through some things and it sounds like I'm sorry again nope let's get that taken care of it's one two one I'm sorry okay one two one five North 19th Street I don't know what happened you guys I don't well I want to hear step by step what happened when you and Earl were out there for an hour and 40 minutes to the house we got there he was drinking human girl talked no he murdered that when they were talking Peterson in his couch okay whatever you want to call it his college area and he was drinking girl said hi you know they talked about whatever and I was busy looking for my meds I put the dishes in just like I did the dishes [Music] about what the furnace okay your finances are nine contention battle with us it's been a problem for a while since we moved in okay and I told myself I'm I'm not staying here if the furnace doesn't work it's it's not happening I can't do it the kids can't do it it's not fair to us I said I want I want nothing more than to be the place that has heat it's freezing outside everything else my camera arguing that's it done I'm I'm leaving good I loved I think around with the garage door opener and where we at when you're digging around the garage door opener in White [Music] in whose damn car my name is the guys are right on right um and where was Earl during this bizarrely etzel tries to make a joke but it falls flat given the situation it's a good time come out huh okay was he actually or was he still in the house while you were out there okay and where was he putting boots on that we're in love everywhere thing right okay and then Karen left and then he said maybe my bags all right okay so I haven't been too distract him I started doing my makeup I said and where was Chad when you went out there okay but where was Chad and the house the house you started okay I did it all come in then too in the house I think about that for a minute [Music] I became in um but I ran back in that direction we didn't stay so I enjoyed that one doors in that then where'd you go right to the hotel I need my packs I have high blood pressure yeah and if I don't have my patches on probably even sit there so I went to work so would you enchant or not doing chat what did you and Earl do from the time you got back to the hotel in the first time after being out there at your house or not the first time I suppose it would be the second time when you guys are out there for about an hour and 40 minutes and then you went back to the hotel what'd you guys do I do we don't need to dry my bags my legs are more important to me I need to look for my bags right so look for my meds and where were you looking for your meds in the hotel room they're in the laundry baskets yes [Music] and I was digging through the baskets looking through the different stuff and back to my prayers that would be in here I gotta find this stuff so then tell me why before you guys went out there that time to get your meds why did you feel the need to go and try to tamper with the camera system I don't you logged on at 12 43 A.M and we're attempting to put the camera in like a privacy mode which has been work and then you showed up out there 15 minutes later anybody can log into my cameras I have my stuff I don't they don't just have to be aware I mean but it wasn't just anyone it was you know I've opened my cameras before and it's been open and I've not knowing it's been open before I uh here's the other thing if I go anywhere near if I go near my home with my my wife and all that my geofence goes off right so but so why were you in there trying to switch the camera mode I was like I said if I imagine we know it was you if I was in it I had a hand on the button and I'm not paying attention I don't go in and de-ground with the system a lot I know I went into it the other day and tried to update my geofence from where we lived to where we're living now and it wouldn't work it kept defaulting back to other stuff and 52 go and change myself before because when I go over to school or take two days from school it'd be exciting you know I said I gotta change it we don't even live there you know so I went in and when I changed geofence stuff it's flashes off the camera mode I have changed the offense Paramore changes that I do know because I've done it before Ansel tries to come up with a convoluted story about how anyone can access her cameras that she has met with a high degree of skepticism [Music] right okay yeah and like I said then um all right so let's just recap a little bit so you guys went out there about 1 8 1 10 am or let's go back so first you go on the cameras you try to put in your privacy home but it doesn't work then you show up yeah okay then you show up at 1 10 and you're there for an hour and 40 minutes you leave around three o'clock um 256 to be exact right 632 usual back on a thousand I don't know 6 38 you and I'll leave activity throughout the day then at about 10 55 that evening then you guys are back out of the house again or was Earl back out at the house without you all right so it was Earl at the house without you without you possible [Music] went out there by himself what would Earl had went back out to that house by himself and why would Earl have one backup to that house by himself without telling you he asks if Howard could have gone alone and she said it's possible I so where were you at hi there I'm sorry I've been sure you're at that late because the night before you didn't even go to bed besides them working do migraines usually pretty much tax up and right you would have been working that day and then you were up all night you were running around at 2 30 in the morning yet and then you went back to the hotel for a couple hours and then you were back out again so I don't know I wouldn't bring it back over at the house so Earl was back on so what was Earl doing all right so we'll establish then that you ordered out there so what was Earl doing back on at the house I don't know so everyone was back out so why was it all back out at the house come on he would have told you we're always not going to even go out to your house and not mention it to you so what did they don't tell you why did Earl tell you okay so he did tell you okay so why didn't you go with him [Music] okay and then what happened okay you guys left then she will win no be like cool because you just said we left we left okay we gotta get our story straight here [Music] okay I'm not trying to be mean to you I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you in any way but people who lie to me I feel that's being disrespectful to me if you want me to treat you with that respect you're going to start treating me with that respect in your continuous line isn't working and I think overall you are a decent person I think you're a good person you've raised two sons you have a you have a good job um I was planning on leaving yes and where were you going yes [Music] okay we're at in Texas okay did you have a job down there potentially yes I have um [Music] you have job interviews or you did I do okay well I'll respond okay so when was that supposed to happen the 13th 13th okay and just you're moving to Texas okay nobody else okay so Earl wasn't moving to Texas with you no what Ensel is leaving out is that she planned to move there with Howard once she had collected the insurance money on her husband [Music] no text messages to a realtor or anything like that that he's pretty much like the little ponies he's from there but that's not what I'm talking about what Earl's plans are later on in life so there's no text messages regarding you and are all looking at houses down there please hang out with Adam with me yeah I mean I I want someone to help me look at their house I don't want to do it alone I mean I want someone to help me you know so yeah we talked about going down at homes with me and I don't want to live alone I mean okay okay well that clears that up a little bit okay [Music] that's almost yeah so let's again go back through some of this again because one but still not making sense to me and honestly the reason someone's not making sense is because you keep lying to me almost everything I've asked you about the events you've lied about so um so we're gonna start though I just want to kind of go back a little bit and so um it would this would be the 31st at about 10 54 when you and Earl went back out there it would have been the last time that we were just talking about so tell me about that again why you guys were out there and Chad was home where was Chad song okay so you can see him when you went inside to get your stuff okay on the house okay you didn't just throw one in the house yeah so Earl was the only one in the house that time okay that's not what I asked you don't answer questions that I didn't ask you I asked you so Earl London is the only one that went in the house you didn't go in the house with Daryl yes okay so what did it all do when he was in the house what stuff did he get on and you just wait it out in the vehicle okay which is different than what you just told me a minute ago because the minute ago when we were talking you said that you didn't go with the last thing around that's when I was at the house was in the morning I went to the house in the morning that was the last time I was right I'm talking about a 1055 the neck that night you just told me you did no I did not I went out in the morning right now I had to go and hang out my patches but you just told me right now that you and Earl went back out there and Earl was the only one who went in I did not didn't but Earl did okay and what did Earl bring back with him all right wrapping paper so Earl and I'm going to grab the wrapping paper and more white Christopher's backpack okay I'm sorry who's Christopher okay all right I know you refer to him ASAP but okay and what did it all tell you when you got back okay and so what did you guys do before that before Earl went out to your house and got the backpack what did you what were you guys doing before that yeah what store which Walmart assuming okay the north Walmart whatever it's called yeah but that's what I prefer doing that the one up on the skyline Ansel is speaking in a monotone murmur answering as little as possible as she desperately tries to come up with something that can pass for the truth at every turn she is blocked by The Specialist okay and before that one did you guys do it [Music] foreign okay and before going talking to the kids what did you guys do you know you were at work okay okay did you just stay at work all day okay and what about before that before work what'd you do what happened and what time what'd you make for breakfast okay all right let's see you slapped in how long did you think you slept Generations so you got up around five and ate breakfast and then went to work okay what about the trip out to the house at 6 30. okay but that's what I asked you I asked you what you did and you just skipped on that so you guys were out at the house and what were you doing out at the house okay and where'd you look for your men patches that time when you were out there okay which one is that I'm sorry is this okay the first bathroom okay and where was Chad yeah and where was Earl ier okay and you didn't wake piano okay and then because where'd you guys where were you before you went to the Hulk or out to your house that morning okay and you guys ate breakfast burritos and slime how much did you think you slept yeah okay and before you went to sleep where were you yeah all right the house what are you arguing okay and where was Earl during all this so when we talked to Chad's boss he's going to say that you've called Chad and he's sick before I went there because he hasn't been there very long okay where was Chad working before that yesterday and who was his boss there you go Joe you just asked for Joel and he'll tell us that Joe in Parts okay so he'll tell us that foreign okay the chat miss a lot of work you guys are crazy there's allergies so yeah so you still haven't answered my question that I asked you earlier though um and we kind of just glossed over it but so in your opinion what what happened here I mean what happened in the chat [Music] he sure would like us to figure it out right you didn't seem so sure about that so when the specialist pushes her about what happened Ansel falls back once again on her crying routine it hasn't worked so far so it is hard to understand why she bothers so if if you were in our shoes what would you do you know figure it out how am I supposed to do that coming up is a string of denials by Ensel who is starting to panic do you want to help us figure this out I do I don't know what happened did you have a good idea what happened no I don't know and you're I think if you said yeah who did who did who do you think did it do and don't tell me I don't know that's non-acceptable answer if in your best guess who do you think did it they don't know who did it and you say I don't know who did this they wanna I don't want to do this they don't you say they don't know a lot of people he runs with I don't I don't know you don't know if you don't so what do you think happened to him yeah I mean I don't know I told you I don't know [Music] have you asked I asked you you didn't ask me anything I don't know so what as an investigator should I think when this happened you and Earl are back and forth from that house and then when I question you on it you lie to me if you were in my shoes what would you think if you were sitting here and I was sitting there and you were questioning me about it and everything I did was perfectly Innocent but I sat there and lied the whole time what would you think again you're not answering my questions what would you think but what would you think I don't know what you would think I would think that you know more than you're telling us I don't know and I'm getting to the point where I'm struggling and not think that maybe you're the one who did it I don't know don't know what happened but tell me what you do know about it because you know you do know something about it you do I don't know I know you don't know what happened because I don't believe you were standing there when it did happen but you do know something you know what happened I I know you keep saying that you don't know what happened I don't know I can't answer anything I don't know yeah I don't know we're having that's why I asked you guys I don't honestly know what happened I don't know should I tell you what I think happened do you want to know what I think happened I think that you and Earl went out there that Chatham is probably drinking being an [ __ ] you've got this history of being abused by Chad rdd did he assault you that night or was he threatening to was he threatening to assault Earl no no because I can about imagine how a drunk guy likes to fight and hit someone when they're drunk is gonna handle his wife walking in with another guy that she's then gonna go stay at the hotel with I can about imagine how that's gonna go and that's about how it went didn't it I mean I'm sure that did not go well at all did it we argued about the furnace I don't know and I'm sure Chad was just ecstatic about the idea of you going and staying in a hotel with another guy wasn't he um I didn't want to be there and then he was talking about now I mean you know when you were there okay so what I think happened is that something happened and I'm not going to give you know something happened at that time and whether you stepped out in the garage stayed out in the kitchen something happened in that house that led to Chad dying do I think you were probably standing there no I don't know but I think I think that you were you were there you were on that property at the time when it happened I don't know at all The Specialist pushes harder saying that he knows that Ensel knows what happened even if she didn't kill Chad herself she knows how he died I don't know at all what happened what if I told you that the second time when you went out there with Earl in the morning and you guys were in the house that we believe that Chad was probably already deceased at that time and that the third time when you said well then there's this is still up for debate because you've changed your story a few times when you and Earl were out there that next evening 10 55 or whatever Chad was also deceased at that time I don't know what happened so I think you have a little explaining to do as to we believe you were in that house twice after Chad was deceased no that's not true or I don't know what happened okay that's not what I asked you so are you telling me that's not true is that true so Chad was alive the last two times when I went in that morning okay I think okay here let me ask you a question please why would I go back to somebody's room or why would I wake somebody that's always in a follow mode that I'm trying to get out and get away from why would you go out there at one in the morning when he's been drinking and stay there for an hour and 40 minutes things just like you needed the patches at 6 30. yes I believe that it's so good not disputing them that's that's one part of this whole your whole statement that you made to me that I actually don't think you're lying on we left and left it was mad and then you guys go back out there that night then no we went out without myself okay and back out in the morning right she got no morning never in her argument that morning then well whatever time that was okay yep so you went out there you got some stuff while Chad was broken right right then you went back out there in the early morning hours like ten after one and again we were looking at it and you had been out you had been on the camera system switching it to privacy mode which is in for some reason did not work I I don't know why it didn't work it didn't work and then you guys show up out there you're there friend an hour and 40 minutes right I know you've said that yeah then you come back three hours later I get that I know that okay you said to me that you were there for an hour and 40 minutes and couldn't figure out where those patches were but then you can go out at 6 30 in the morning when you have no sleep at all if somebody's starting with 10 minutes they weren't there okay they weren't there I mean but this house also isn't that big that in an hour and 40 minutes if you needed these patches so badly you would have looked for them in all these rooms you don't look farming you stop and you just start arguing with somebody and that's all you're going to do is argue with them lose it okay so if I'm married to you and we're in an argument and you're trying to look for something and you're gonna start arguing with somebody are you going to keep looking for something are you going to stop and focus and argue with them well if I need some medication that's the sole purpose that I'm there and I'm going to get violently ill if I don't I'm probably gonna put some priority on that medication if that's the whole purpose of me being in there opening the kitchen drawer color and I'm arguing at the same time and ruffling through the stuff I'm trying to look for the stuff and I'm opening this up and I am arguing with them okay brownie I'm just you know when you stop you actually argue to face and they're done left left Ansel tries to explain why it took so long to find her patches there's no way that her version of events is in any way plausible staying here for Chris isn't work I'm done left um oh my look one more time in the bathroom foreign and then you guys went back out there again that night at 11 o'clock okay so what what did you grab when you were in there then at 11 o'clock at night when you were getting in the backpack okay that was it okay and do you notice anything unusual about the house or anything like that no or yes and no okay and where did you grab the backpack from he's in the garage okay okay you just sets it in the garage okay and where was Chad um you just went in the garage that's it and where did our own goal early in the house though um [Music] from where why was the Earl grabbing boots okay and then what do you guys do there you were there for almost 10 minutes so to go in there for 10 minutes to grab a backpack and pair of boots right in the closet right there doesn't take tender okay so where do you get the boots from oh no that's fine again both okay and where were they all at which closet okay that doesn't take 10 minutes you could grab five pairs of boots and a backpack and it wouldn't have taken 10 minutes and what else did Earl do in that house then you like that okay and what else because there's more that happened in the house then because that timeline doesn't match up yeah who looks in the backpack that's all I thought wrapping paper at all like in the garage or in the house [Music] and that's it wasn't blue okay and we grabbed the wrapping paper probably okay but you grabbed the backpack okay honey we were I thought we were honest with me I thought about something we were doing here I mean I've trusted you this whole time I'll be right back um why why were you so dishonest with me about I trusted you in Tennessee what my brain is I know but I asked you those things I asked you that you weren't honest with me why [Music] that's not forgetting that's lying to me you lied to me Nikki you're not a bad person I don't believe it okay I don't know you know obviously you weren't being honest to me you weren't you haven't been you've been lying I've been watching you lie to him the whole time he's just proved everything you've said you're not a bad person I get that but this is we gotta know the truth Mickey stop stop Nikki I'm trying to tell you I'm trying that I don't know who's in that you keep when we keep going it we find the truth the truth is here we have the truth but we need to hear it from you I honestly don't know what happened but there's got to be more Nicky because everything there's more you've been lying to me the whole time Vicky you have you admit it no yeah that's not true Nicky those stories that you told me that that's not everything is mashing up you told me that early you were only at the house that one time you're not being honest with me on that and that's what I'm at I'm wanting from you to help let God know what happened because like you said he you're not a monster right right and this whole situation can maybe be explained but you've got to be honest you know and like I said we keep going around this this and you keep lying about it that that doesn't how does that look how do we how do you think we look at you at that when you keep lying about this and we know that Chad was was killed can you you've got to tell us an explanation for it what happened I understand I don't Nikki I I think you know enough tell me what happened that night I think you know enough to tell me what happened during that hour and 40 minutes but then what something more happened that night Nikki that's not true we know that off the information that we've gathered we have all kinds of things like I said you've got to stop telling lies I don't know what happened what happened I don't know Mickey you do I can Mickey something happened that night in an hour and 40 minutes and it's not just an arguing you aren't blowing the dishwasher you that might have happened but something else happened I don't know maybe something else happened and that we know it and I want to know from your point of view well your explanation because when we've when we have everything in there and together that paints its own picture that's how it's going to come out and when that happens I can't change that path right once something is said and once it gets out that's what everybody's going to think happened but now is your channels telling your words what happened and I can explain to the world what happened and it may like I said it the more you buy it the more it makes you look like this monster about what happened that night but I need to hear from you I need to hear from you what tell me what went down that night [Music] I'm done [Music] you [ __ ] understand me I'm gonna [ __ ] time together I am done over here [Music] continue [Music] you guys Ansel describes the fight she supposedly had with Chad and as expected she starts crying once again before we say I don't care about our cabinets he said you really look like you want anymore I don't care yes that's hiding it mental divisor good afternoon because whatever [Music] do whatever and they don't care foreign there was a fight there was nobody nobody foreign but obviously Chad was and he came at you where was Earl yes and what a girl do you calling he said let's go now okay chat videos so just [ __ ] die so I don't care I don't care actually this wasn't a suicide we know that this was not a suicide I was telling you you need to be honest with me because I need to know your side of the story your your what happened that night because like I said once it's out and how it looks can't be changed but if I can hear from you what happened that night it's more explainable it's explainable it's under it can even be sometimes understandable what would push someone to that limit but I know more happened at that point I know it I know you have gotten to know you something else happened what happened Nikki so anyways who else was in the house why haven't you told me that okay [Music] is it a male or a female no not big I don't know before you stepped in what happened foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign so here okay okay because I'm sad I don't know what that means stop okay likes how someone would call someone honey but you sure okay okay what does this mean two what do you think it means already [Music] what sleep I told you yeah oh okay what did he look like I would say my 40s space here speaking hair no glasses very nice teeth super nice teeth let me smell like crown that would explain why why I don't know I'm just trying to wrap my head around this obviously I mean why did you never tell me this before so I that would have told me so much more so that's why I don't understand why now [Music] there is there is I understand dignity but there's nothing dignity about what happened to Chad but that's that's what I I want you to have dignity too it's okay okay [Music] but If he if he's so angry that you're leaving why is he calling him on and see if he's in love with you and he he doesn't want you to leave and he has another uh a lover there a boyfriend or whatever this guy is enough [Music] but any idea like what he would be involved in as far as that a new testament try to deepened out with Kelly that was a nice thing why don't you tell me that everywhere this isn't making sense to me I'll let you know this guy how would you not mention that he was there where activations at the races you don't know his name at all we could have to charge questions I don't know I've seen him before I I can't wrap my head around it Nikki I I want you to be honest with me I want you to tell me so I can understand but I I can't get my head around this that all of a sudden you told me there's this new guy that doesn't make sense to me why you didn't tell me this before yeah and why is why is Chad angry at you for leaving if he has someone there that's calling in Hunt another man in front of other people that's an intimate relationship that's close why does he care where you go if he has this intimate relationship with someone the story that Ensel is spinning is completely wild all of a sudden there's a lover and problems with gambling both things that should have come up immediately or at least when the detective asked if there was anyone who had a reason to harm Chad it's all complete fabrication and it is going to do nothing but damage her when she goes to trial yeah yeah [Music] I am from Oregon community I have two kids perfect what do you need to ask us [Music] I think it's in your best interest right now to talk right and I don't think at this point you're in a position to bargain with us are you okay so I think you need to do what's in your best interest and it's in your best interest right now is not trying to bargain with us I think at this point we have tried so hard with you we've tried to help you as much as we can and at this point you know what um you don't want to play ball and you don't okay okay one so tell me what it is you want to say I don't know what happened tell him to tell me about this when was this so that was like 1 10 in the morning yes okay however who's he okay so you got another argument um thank you more words Earl okay since he got married and then you walked out is that from my understanding right okay how long were you in the car waiting for Earl ier okay thing okay okay [Music] so I can't find anything I never went any further in the house and then I don't I don't know this is all the same [ __ ] you told us earlier mine is just the fact that you went out to the car before Earl did it's all the exact same [ __ ] I don't I don't know he told you Nikki he told you what happened in there now is your time to tell us is it you know what oh would not have let you go back into that house and not have told you no because what if you went to the back bedroom went back paid the master bedroom and they're all just standing in the kitchen going home no yeah and then what they argued and then what okay so that was the Earl and Chad not this mystery guy then what uh okay no why cancel has recanted her story earlier and is now saying that Howard was arguing with her husband but that she doesn't know what happened given her track record it comes as no surprise that they don't believe this version either then what did it all say Earl said he's not alive and then what I might not realize I don't know for sure thank you what happened okay but what what did Earl say happen when the gun went off then what happened okay and what happened after that what a girl think why you had to go back to that house wait then you said that when he or that's right okay so here's my question for you regarding that so Chad's your husband right so Earl comes out and says that he's shot for that chat I got shot in the house it never occurred to you to want to go check on him or not that he is so back to myself okay you didn't want to go check on Chad [Music] yeah good morning who came back to set the fire how did he do it I don't know yeah what did you see him doing [Music] did he bring anything with him did he tell you he was going to set a fire no you didn't you did not go back to that house just for no reason he had to have told you he said what was going to happen Nikki we're at this point already why tell me what Earl said why was he doing this and you being his wife I don't believe that you all just sit in the car and wait I'm not gonna go check on Chad yet so it's now been five hours since he's been shot and you know I think at some point you would want to go check on him unless you already knew what his condition was why not or whatever you wasn't alive anymore how did it all know the second time and then whatever will do Nick what did Earl do you think yeah okay here yes 12 percent higher he said he tipped it over that it did tip over there thank you that's all after the fact though but he came back to start that fire Ansel is barely speaking and even the two detectives are straining to make out her words her story is as weak as her voice it is clear she is trying to minimize her own involvement who planned that part was that you or was that Earl you didn't plan to come and set the house on fire Earl did how is he going to set that house on fire think you've already told me just come Free Yourself we'll talk about that afterwards but I got to know what the full story is too right now you're still we're having to cut this up every second what did Earl come back to do with the propane tank for what reason he said he was scared okay okay I got that let's oops did he tell you anything else about the fire okay so did you guys come back to check did Earl want to come back to check if that house had burnt down when was that [Music] okay and what did he say when that house hadn't burnt down yet okay and when it wasn't burnt down what did he say I know what I would think what did he say [Music] s so he went into the house okay I'm going to happen so you okay so that happened you guys came back to the house Earl went in moved the propane tank so that I would start the house on fire and then you guys came back again and checked and the house still hadn't burned down you didn't go back with that time okay and the house still hadn't burned down okay did you say that you go back in why and they told me what did he tell you about the fight chapter 7 Union except okay okay what did girls say about how many times it went off thank you very much so why didn't you go back in and check on him [Music] with all you've been through will you kind of relieved that Chad was gone you speak Chinese [Music] that's all I wanted was the truth like I said I just wanted you to tell me what happened I'm craving away foreign so you were in the house arguing with Chad yes did you ever go back in that house now the Ensel is at least partially telling the truth the events are finally lining up with what the police already know happened still she has enough self-preservation to make Howard carry most of the guilt we went back in with him but we know that Earl went back twice at least twice right so what what did you guys do in the meantime so you get back to the hotel and Earl because Earl I've already told you that he shot Chad and Chad might not be alive um okay okay so when when Chad or when Earl shot Chad did he tip the propane heater over then or was it when he went back the next morning I was a little confused on that when you went back so the house was not starting to live on fire when he shot Chad that was only when you went back another night so what'd you guys do that night then so you get home and there's about a three four hour gap from when you get back to the hotel when you guys go back out there you you cry what else okay I don't know I don't know Nikki whose idea was it to call in Chad and on Tuesday morning right but it doesn't just happen though Chad's not gonna go to work on Tuesday I know but why would if Chad is dead and you know that why would you still call him that whose idea was that I'm scared my hair okay okay so you weren't trying to take time to figure anything out as a victim I'm scared what about then on the second when his co-workers are out at the house and they call you and say hey he didn't show for and you just basically tell him I'm busy at work right now I'll check on that later what was your going through your mind at that point because you knew exactly my chat wasn't that one thing why did you then did you talk with Earl when they started calling from work no because I've been crazy busy Nikki and then your husband just died in a really weird crazy circumstance about just snowballed out of control you can't tell me that you weren't thinking of that that had to be every second of your life from the time it happened okay what did you guys talk about [Music] something [Music] right right [Music] what did girls say to do what did you guys talk about what did you guys think to do this is that part where I'm trying to understand I don't know [Music] this is and everybody looking into anything about them forward and everything yeah yesterday [Music] is it is right every time you never called me back and I called so many times [Music] okay and that's why we're talking about okay we can get past that point okay that's that's your conscience telling you to do the right thing okay that's the mother and you of two children telling you you have to take care of them you have to come forward you have to tell them so tell me what those conversations were so I can understand and I can make sense of this and like you said if this is something that snowballed out of control like you said that that can make sense right but I can't I can't keep dragging these answers out of you I can't keep dragging what happened I can't ask the truth any harder [Music] thank you I answered my phone calls and I said I don't understand you never call me back pretty cold really like the next day already called Nicole and I came out with you the next day no for Friday no or Monday I apologize Monday but they called me even after you had my phone I know I was on the weekend I didn't have that phone I'm sorry can you tell what they call a name called down here okay okay we're talking now Mickey algebra came to you call me back all right we got to get past that Mickey we're talking now so that's okay I apologize I'm sorry but we're talking now Nikki we're not questioning why you're only telling us this now right we already miss this I understand that's understandable value please use it it was so cute I just because I can't even think it's just a lot you don't have to be like that about it they've gotten about all they can out of etzel and the interview is brought to a close murder charges could not be pursued with either Ensel or Howard because ballistic Specialists couldn't conclusively determine who pulled the trigger Nikki Sue Ensel was bound guilty of conspiracy to commit murder conspiracy to commit arson and conspiracy to tamper with physical evidence she faces life in prison and is currently awaiting her sentencing hearing Earl Howard was found guilty of the same crimes and is serving a 25-year sentence that's the end of today's 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