if you're trying to cover up for somebody and if you're trying to keep something there's so many inconsistencies in your story right now right your your eye contact you got way too much eye contact I mean this is not normal okay you're sitting there staring at me a long time that's not normal okay we can pick up on your body language all your deception and everything else this video contains the interview of a subject who was forced to make a false confession to murder in June 2012 a male body washed up on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River the body was that a 51 year old Marcus golicky a homeless man recently released from prison his hyoid bone in the neck and a rib have been fractured there were no other visible injuries it was determined that he had been strangled investigators found that he had been at the home of his foster sister and her family shortly before his death Debbie hurt claimed that she had made him dinner that night but went to bed before he left the house golicky then played chess with his nephew 18 year old William Hurt with no evidence to go on the detectives quickly settled on hurt as a suspect let's go okay Evansville police department [Music] this is detective Jones Kentucky State Police you talked to him earlier okay I want to get some information though you want to make sure we know who we're talking to okay we do this all the time you have the right to remain silent anything you say again will be used to get you in court of law you have the right to talk to a lawyer and have to imprisonment with you or are you being questioned if you can afford to hire a lawyer want to be appointed to represent you before any question heart should have taken this opportunity to exercise his rights and ask for a lawyer the detective is already going over everything quickly in the hope that hurt will not have time to think about what would be his best course of action if you wish you can decide at any time to exercise these rights not answer any questions or make any statements okay would you sign here a show that I read that to you stating is it uh I read your your uh Miranda Rights okay now do you want to talk to me about this incident Mark what do you want to know well I got to know if you want to talk to me about it or not well I can talk to you is not wrong okay good would you sign here please all right we're going to go over again about that night okay all right you're working is that correct and that was on Thursday yes do you think it was about the 16th I think it was another 16 yes okay so it was the 16th on a Thursday originally you said on a Saturday actually originally told me on Thursday when I told you that Debbie had told me that it was on Saturday you agreed were you just agreeing at that time well when my dad asked me when what day it was I was half asleep and didn't really were tough to think okay because they had opened me up so I just pretty much set a day just so he could leave me a long way over to sleep okay okay so are we sure the shirt was thirsty now okay tell me about well I can do is I can get the schedule they'll be working that week and I can see who I was working with as I backtrack I'll be able to tell you okay regardless of the day that's the night Marcus golicky was there yes right okay tell me about your day that day my day was I got up I had gotten called or I got up I was getting shower and I played games with him a little bit in around 3 15 I left to get to take the Lawndale bus to work which is remember and after that we had a very it was a very long dry out day and when I had gotten home he was sitting on my kitchen table okay so let's back up what time did you leave work it was about say 9 45 when she told me to leave and I was sitting on behind uh this or not like uh the mall wait for the bus okay about 30 minutes okay and what time you think he got on the bus about 10 15. I'm getting where did that bus take you took it down to you know where Big Lots is at over there by Washington Square Mall took me down there to the Lawndale and then I got on the Riverside bus and came home okay where did that bus drop you off at one of the main things that will work against hurt is that he gives too many details but isn't accurate the detectives will use these inaccuracies to discredit him and chip away at his story even though an inaccuracy isn't a lie right now on my patreon you can watch the most jaw-dropping encounter ever captured this intense footage showcases an intense incident involving a man who wielding a leather Katana aggressively charged towards the police what unfolded within that crucial moment is way too intense and explicit for YouTube head over to patreon.com stranger stories plus to access this gripping video and a ton of other patreon exclusive content forgot about the Kangaroo gas station okay director Becky in the Riverside yes what time do you think you got home it was about well my day I was about 11 30. about 11 30 11 30 P.M okay it's pretty long bus ride so we gotta wait for the other buses and then we leave they leave at 10 45. okay two we gotta take everybody else okay but now's the real important part Alan I want you to be honest and not skip any details tell me everything okay don't leave anything out okay go ahead when you got home I got home I walked in and Mark was sitting on my kitchen table he was eating a bucket of macaroni salad because I'd hugged my mom at that time and tell her that I loved her and I was home and then after that I sat down on the kitchen table without stood into my mom and we were talking and then after a while lost she had to go to bed who all was in the kitchen it was me smart harleyway the sauce you could use in there for about 10 minutes okay let's back up again see stuff that out I really want everything um this is very important okay with every little detail you come in the house you said your mom and Mark are in the kitchen yes at that time when you entered the door who was in the kitchen it was Steve and my little brother my mom and Mark okay and after I come in sat down Carly he walked in and grabbed something where did he come from the living room okay he had walked in and then he grabbed something he started moving stuff around like cleaning up a little bit and then he grabbed a Sunny D and walked back out grabbed his ID his Sunday D Sunny D it's a drink yeah and then he walked out yeah how long was he in the kitchen about 5-10 minutes okay and then what happened after that me and uh we've got to talking Steven was taking playing cards and thought him really fast and then after a while after he got done doing that me and Morgan played a game of chess which lasts about half an hour almost and then after that one said she was going to bed and I was like right in the middle of our game okay and then Mark because his eyes were bad he couldn't see the board very well it was the lighting and then he just surrendered and then I shook his hand and I started talking to him for a little bit and after probably about 20 minutes talking he just said he was going to leave grabbed a container of medicine coffee fill it up the thing with water and then just was your mom there to witness this no she was in bed okay because she told me about it you sure she wasn't there when the container coffee came out no she gave the container coffee too I remember that okay remember I told you I wanted specific details okay all right that's something you left out I don't want you leaving anything else out as mama was going to dress she Mark asked about coffee and then she was digging around in the cabinet and grabbing instant coffee again I had about this much coffee left in it and then she said she said he could have it okay and then after that we talked for a little bit and then he filled up the container started around drink some said he was leaving I shook his hand again until I'll see him around and then he got on the shoes and walked out the back door walked out the back door yes okay war was Harley at this time he was in his room he was in his room how do you know that because as I was wanting to get off the table he went into his room for a little bit because usually her mom goes to bed everybody else kind of follows and goes to bed okay where was Stephen he was already on better sleep I believe okay and did he leave the kitchen he left after or before me and Mark started Landing him just he left before that yes okay so you're kind of all over the place no you're not telling it step by step it is unrealistic to expect hurt to remember every minute detail in the exact order that it occurred all this does is make her nervous and second guess what he is saying I've got to pull you in on this stuff I don't like doing that okay all right and then after that after mom went to bed you know instead of talking for a little bit like I just said if any fill up in some coffee container he said he was leaving so I shook his hand and he walked Walked Out There put his shoes on and walked out the back door okay and that's the last I'd seen him where was Andrea Andrea she was upstairs asleep where's Deidre I don't know where did he was and that's the last time you saw him that's the last time I saw Mass after he left I went down to my room about one o'clock and then I fell asleep after I fed my rabbit and watch a little TV okay at what time do you think you left it was probably about 12 30. 12 30. so what'd you do from 12 30 to 1 o'clock we sat there and talked who me and Mark all right he left at 12 30 you said you went to your bedroom at one o'clock yeah oh but he was going to leave at 12 30 and we started talking again for like 15 minutes and then he said he starts leaving about 12 45 12 50. he walked out the back door and I went down to my room especially in the basement what'd you guys talk about we talked about football pros and how about the teams were doing and how bad some of the teams were doing and so our teams are good and that they called their lost Peyton Manning and how good his quarterback he was and his brother started to him and he went to bed what's the next noise you hear nothing nothing at all nothing okay do you have any kind of disabilities do I I do have club foot okay the mental disabilities it's not mental no okay you make decent grades yes I do I'm going to graduated as a junior okay it was good let me tell you what you got inconsistencies with some of the stories you're telling you understand that yeah you want to be straight with me this time yes yes go ahead okay for about 9 45 we had to close at 9 30. I was cleaning up and then now let's see my store manager I think you met her she was the lady who uh was the blonde little lady and then she said I don't go ahead and leave Steve's going to be here Steve's her husband and she said she wanted me to go catch my bus so I walked out the back door lyrics I walked I walked across the or across the mall parking lot to the back to the Village Wing he wait for the buses and then I got on the one jail bus as far as hurt knew at the time it was an average night like any other there would have been no reason for him to pay attention to the time or everyone's exact movements but the detective is still going to use this as a scare tactic took me all the way around uh Walmart and then we went back around to the mall all weekend really took down Green River and then we turned into the Lawndale area then I got off the bus I waited for everybody to get there except for uh the Riverside bus driver side bus is always the last one to get through after that I got on the bus we left we went down South Korean River turn on Riverside and then it's hard to let people off some people got on and we got to my stop I got off I started walking home I walked in seeing Mark to stay at the kitchen table after I'd hug my mom and daughter like her until I was home because they need a [ __ ] macaroni salad and he was sitting there talking and talking to Steve and talking to Mom you know have a good time I said no he's at the table as they'll fit in and then Steven after he got done throwing those cards around or whatever he left they started playing me and Mark started playing a game of chess and then Harley walked in grabbed some started cleaning up a little bit because it says they do kitchen he grabbed a Sunny D went to the living room again about 25-30 minutes after he had left we were so they're playing the game still about half an hour it took and Mark surrender because he couldn't see the board anymore then after that we started talking about football pros and how rather doing how good some of those things are doing how many they lost the cult of lost Manning and how Eli is starting to catch up to him [Music] and we start they said he got a little had to leave Crow I'm sorry I'm nervous I've never dealt with this stuff before well I'll tell you give them something here that um the detective is bluffing there is no evidence that hurt is withholding information I think you're being a little withholding a little information yeah okay I've never dealt with any of this stuff or okay well you need to deal with it straight up okay be honest it's the best way to do this okay okay after or start okay before starting another test my mom said that she was going to bed she asked Mark and asked her to come like for coffee and she was running around as a little cabinet she said here he has an instant zombie but that much left after we were starting to play the game some more and then he surrendered and he filled against the coffee maker coffee started around I started talking a little bit as soon as I went through the back door to shut his hand again tell him goodbye see him around hey walked out the back screen door I've seen a bit of shoes on I washed them walk out the back door now I went down to my room and fed my rabbit watched TV and went to sleep Harley you said earlier Harley Harley's door shut after he went to bed if you're leaving out some stuff all right I've been patient with you it's time to tell it all it's time to be honest you understand we know more than what yeah you think oh I already know yeah I have a feeling you guys already know more than I think because you guys are protect us what do you think we know well I think you know what happened to Mark I think you know you don't know necessarily what happened not like all what happened I know you guys know the exact time and days he was there and some of the stuff that he has done was in the past week that's about all I know what do you mean some of the stuff that he's done in the past week well from what he had told me and the interview that I had with him that there was no possible way that he could have been there on the 16th because he had known where he was at [Music] and that's about all I know well let me jump in here he told me in our interview which is typed that Harley was wanting to try to play chess and Marcus that he was asking him to play chess you never mentioned that one so far he also told me after you went to bed that you heard Harley's door shuts wrong after that as he was going to bed you never said that he said he walked out the back door okay and then right there as you're saying he walks out the back door that's where you're hesitating and that's where the LIE starts because you want to know why because when you're remembering your bus ride you're remembering all this stuff man you're looking to the right which is wrong from memory as soon as you get to the back door you're looking left with your eyes and everything else you're lying I mean that's where you're starting to make up the story it's where you're fabricating it okay an interesting comment you made a while ago I haven't dealt with this before well no you haven't dealt with this before because if you are then we got a real problem so this is a deal William we know what happened we know who did it and we know that you're part of it we know this now that's ridiculous okay unless you're a part of it by withholding information that makes you a big part of it all right okay I thought I thought it like I've done something physically to him I mean I don't harm my family at all we're not saying you did hurt your family but we're saying that you're part of it because you know what's going on and you're not helping us out okay here's the deal you keep leaving the holiday out of this whole equation right now but I got earlier when we talked he was all about you know harder than this harder than that harder than that if you hardly talks since the last time we just talked to you all just a few minutes ago or a few hours ago not really not really what have you what'd you talk about when you get to talk well you didn't really talk about anything I told him to find this phone because he has lost it well there's a few things as far as uh foreign property missing the more the detectives press for more small details the more they are going to make it sound as if hurt is changing his story if he doesn't give them any other details they claim he is withholding something for hurt it is a no-win situation obviously are we gonna find anything in your bedroom anywhere around your house mark not that I know of no did Harley and Mark into a physical confrontation no not for a while I know they didn't that's what you're saying not from what you know what about from what you've heard I haven't really heard anything I didn't hear any noises after I went to bed I didn't hear anything we're talking about it Harley told you anything after the fact I don't know did anybody William here's Dale like I told you earlier you know about people helping us out and people not man yourself up in this I mean by withholding information everything else yeah now if you're trying to cover up for somebody and if you're trying to keep something just listen hear me out okay if you know something if I don't care if it's hardly done something I don't care if it's you know handy I don't care who it was and you know about it you know and this ends up turning South then you know you can get trouble for this right yes okay if you want to come clean right now it's time to come clean and I mean with the disaster that one concerned talking to you there's so many inconsistencies in your story right now that I have a hard time believing anything you're saying honestly I mean I really do yeah so yeah why would I want to sit here and believe you when you're so inconsistent I'm changing the story yeah you're inconsistent your leading Parts out you're changing the story you mean you're fabricating I mean I can tell by looking at drives you're fabricating parts of this up right when you get to the point he walked out the back door that's when you start fabricating everything else I believe happening like I told you earlier when we when I interviewed you earlier I said you know hey man I believe you you know I'll sit down and play chess I believe the coffee I believe everything else I do not believe after he walked out this back door that was the end of everything okay something happened that night and we know what happened that night it happened around that residence someone in our residence is involved you are involved now because I'm withholding information with all the information now do you want to be involved in the crime no I don't then you need to start telling us what are everything you know because you're not telling us everything you know do you want me to start from I want you to tell me what parts you're leaving out what happened that night what you heard and everything I don't care what you tell me as of right now and you understand that yes because the only thing you're going to do is if you tell me everything is help yourself out you're not helping us out no more we already know everything now yeah you didn't you didn't do this to me earlier you didn't give me everything earlier so we went like I told you we started investigation we did everything ourselves so yeah I mean as far as you you know helping me out you've not done it so far the only way you're gonna change my mind this whole deal is if you tell me the better ones happen because as of right now hey your your eye contact you got way too much eye contact I mean this is not normal okay yeah you staring a hole right through you know protect the event one the whole time you've been talking to him it's not normal okay you're sitting there staring at me all the time that's not normal now that hurt is self-conscious he will start to avoid eye contact which the detectives will say is also a sign that he is lying okay we can pick up on your body language all your deception and everything else so right I'm telling you if you know somebody threatened you you know not to tell us or whatever man nobody's threatening me well I promise you thread you could hurt you anything honestly I don't know what I'm withholding I mean honest you agree with this that you were withholding something yeah I don't know what it is because I'm just trying to I want this case to end because I'm trying to help you guys figure out what happened you guys already know what happened I understand that I really do and for you guys to believe that I'm withholding something you said earlier in an earlier statement okay you're in Harley's door shut after yours after you went to bed is that true or not true that's true because after mom goes to bed usually everybody else has everybody else to go to bed you know everyone retires to their rooms I heard door shut and then after the chess game was when everybody else was already in their room after that it was just me and him in the kitchen he put up his instant coffee container and then he just walked out the back door we talked a little bit more shook his hand and then he went out after put his shoes on someone else is that he went out the back and then after he went out the back door I don't know what happened because I retired in my room after I hit my bed I fell asleep where's Harley store come into this garage door okay after mama told everyone to go to bed I heard sure I seen Stephen go into his room and then I heard Andrea and Cara they were all in the stairs and then I heard Harley coming through the hallway I heard his door shut and then soon after that about 5-10 minutes Mark surrendered down the game of chess shook his hand we got off the table I walked around and got something to drink then I sat back down at the table and then he sat back down and then we started talking about football Pros and soon after that we go back up he fell off the instant coffee container with water art is under the impression that the detectives are saying he is withholding something because he hasn't given every detail such as standing up to get a drink or changing position in the room he has no idea that they are asking for anything that could be construed as a fight or an act of violence and he walked out the back door and then he did that I watched him leaving everything if you did I walked down to the basement I went to bed still you have not answered my question you said in an earlier statement he heard Harley's door shut after he went to bed is that true or not true probably the store after I went to bed after you went to your room that's not true not true okay you told me that on an earlier recorded interview and we hit that fact that when I asked you that question just not even five minutes ago you said yes that's what happened [Music] you ever go down to River camps you've never been there in your life no never mind would your sisters go what do you mean River camps yeah on the way back oh no I've never been down there never no has your sister's been probably the address and she said she was going camping down by the river a couple times with her friends hardly ever been down there no you're sure uh from what I know about Harley no he hasn't told anything about that what about the mothers on your shoes there that's from doing yard work yesterday I do not let me see the bottom of your shoes hold off if you okay what kind of dark work do you do um I usually these are my work shoes so I wear them to work and after I sometimes after I get off work my grandma's boyfriend goes to pick me up I'm on Fairlawn does this line everywhere and then yesterday I was in the Landscaping picking up with the landscaping and dirt was getting all over them and we have chicken cucumber back as you know and I walk in there and I feed them and they'll kick up on my shoes and all the other stuff so once you Harley went in this room you're going to stick to that story that he never came out from what I know from what I remember yes you never came out do you feel like you're involved in something really big here well yes I do feel like I'm involved because according to what you guys are saying I mean changing the story a lot I with all the information but I don't know what the information is I mean I'm telling you everything that I know it may be heart is unsure what the detectives are wanting from him he believes that because they are the police they must be in the right and he is doing something wrong this is dangerous and will affect the way he changes his statement it's like a different way of telling it that's on a different like sequence but Antonio all that I know okay does Mark ever wrote in your van not that I know of like I said before he does not trust Motor Vehicles or anything like that yeah he usually walks it's Mark ever been in the van not that I have and if I go down the river camp I gonna find that shoe print anywhere probably not so I've never been down to the river camps and enjoy my life okay but I mean probably not I'm not gonna find that shoe print because there are shoe prints there are shoes like this all over Evansville it's unnecessary I got magic to mine well I'm pretty sure yours is only patent number seven million 846 493 with a size 10 with a wavy Soul pattern labor airspeed I promise you you will not find any footprints of mine down as a river camp promise you that oh well he's probably not even promise me man I'm telling you you know it ain't working something's troubling you more than you're telling us if I can see it and get about something's bothering you can get it off your chest so you guys are just interrogating me constantly this this honestly is getting away nervous okay what you don't you need it I'm not involved in this after enduring the constant badgering hurt has finally had enough and pushes back this has no effect on the detectives who continue to imply that he is guilty nobody I know of did Harley do something to him no I said I know of because after I went to bed I went to sleep I don't remember anything I don't remember after I go to bed I just black out I just wake up not like necessarily blackout but I just go to sleep and when I'm really tired I'm a heavy sleeper William you said in an earlier statement also that you didn't think you could pass a polygraph do you think that's true that you couldn't pass a polygraph but as nervous as I get when I've been on the spot it doesn't matter it accounts for that it accounts for the polygraphs are good they'll tell if you're lying or not polygraphs are not conclusive and due to their inaccuracy they are not admissible in court the detective is attempting to guilt him into taking one and if hurt has any underlying medical condition that is unknown it could damage his case okay I don't know what you know about him but they'll tell you they'll tell us if you're lying do you think you could pass a polygraph on everything you told us yes about not knowing anything more about Marcus you toast everything you know about Marcus everything that I know of from the same point I'm sorry I can tell you because when you guys are talking to Mom alone okay I'll sit in the living room and I heard you guys talk about a funeral I already know he's dead okay okay that's all I know from that art or just talking about the funeral and the plans to be made for it and that is in Madisonville okay anything from that about work I do not know I know that he has mental issues and it's not like riding in vehicles how did he die that's I don't know no idea I also know that he was found in the river how'd you know that because when I get enough updates on my phone it says a man was found in the river I looked at it and it looked like it could have been him but I wasn't sure and then you saw a picture of him it's in the picture but I've got the notification on my phone that had said I may have shot on the river as well I was at work because it went off and I was on break I looked at it oh that thing popped up and then as soon as I seen a papa I clicked it off as I was going back to work at that time okay did you know it was Marcus at that time no I did not know it was Marcus that it was found in the river so I know he gone missing and I thought honestly thought he was still alive since hurt knew galicky was missing it would have been natural to assume that the body may have been his at that point how did you know he went missing already because moment told me the day that you got that text that notification your mom told you he's already been missing no this was the okay he had come out before he started coming up my job and asked me these questions just come out ask these questions about Marcus I had told him that day I was heading into work you remember that right that was heading to work around I'd be there at 12 o'clock so we got to oh he left about 11 15 ish okay I believe and oh we left at 11 30. took me to work and I was there for a couple hours took a break I say I popped up my phone I flipped it off it said man will sound a river and the day I saw it talk to you it possible that day after that I had gone back to work can you pop that up on your phone I don't believe all that I can because I tried looking for it earlier because I heard you guys talk about the funeral okay what popped up I'm sorry no I mean news organization or what a friend 14 wfae that that's the one you would have come up on okay I can show you guys what I use but no I know about it okay I know about the 14 how they can send the news alerts out you know what that news alert would come out either on Sunday or Monday I talked to you Wednesday okay yeah those are going to come out there it would have already happened [Music] so you understand there's conflict here real conflict I really don't understand because you're already you're already saying that that was Marcus and Ohio River how you know he's in Ohio River I never said nothing about it oh yeah I just took a guess I don't necessarily know he said well go you knew I said I knew there was Marcus I said it could have possibly been I didn't say I knew for a fact well I'll go when you take this Allen asked you is there anything else you know you said all I know is he's found in Ohio River that's all you said that was your exact statement I went off of this because I remember seeing that I remember seeing that notification pop up on my phone oh my God anyway who's involved in earlier how was I involved in you said you were involved okay I talked to him okay okay I'll start from the beginning and I'll give you exactly everything that I know is it going to be the same story we've already heard yes possibly oh my God okay look all right I want to know what happened to Marcus I think at one time you cared about it all right and you still care about it all right I need to find out what happens we need to know we need to know how much you're involved in this [Music] we need to know if you're the one that harmed him the detectives try to imply that hurt is guilty because he is worried about being charged with a crime he didn't commit false imprisonment is a reality and even if the odds are low no one wants to be the one to add to that number I'm not the one that aren't doing do you know who this no I don't and you lend something out I don't know I'm being serious I tell her the truth yeah I don't know who you are though after he left I don't oh my God I honestly do not know who are doing I honestly don't who do you think would harm me I don't know who would have anyone in the house is that what you're asking if anyone in the house would have harmed him I I let that open to you nobody brought up in the house is somebody in house Army he wasn't hard mark he wouldn't your mom no no wedding in the house would harm him nobody nobody Harley nobody not even him are you scared of Harley no I'm not it's a pretty big fella he is pretty strong I know but he's by my side in high about a couple more pounds and he can lift as much as I can I'm not scared though are you afraid of what might happen to him I care about him because he's my brother you go what's going on it's me are you scared of going to jail me I'm scared of freaking shitless because I'm getting your questions about something that I even have told remembering myself the detectives in this case are looking to make an easy conviction regardless of that person's guilt or innocence this is evident as they rapidly switch from focusing on hurt to trying to get him to implicate Harley Wade because we're in the store that I'm telling you guys I'm telling you guys different stories Charlotte talked about jail before too he's been okay he's been locked up in DLC and stuff like that because he's a priority three foster kid he's the height he's the highest yeah win on threat and he's always talking to me about being there and being in another blogger facilities I just talked about harming Mark in any way easier to talk about Mark you need to talk about harming anybody no earlier he brags about finding everything else well from what I know he's not going to harm anybody around my house 15th announced about fighting and writing mode correct yes he does okay did you ever brag about choking anybody punching anybody kicking anybody specifically just fighting itself okay what did you brag about what about fighting he just loves to fight he doesn't necessarily say anything about like what he loves he just loves to avoids paint on people she likes to inflict pain on people from fighting yes does he have any kind of resource any kind of money does he work you know you see you can buy anything no what about you if you buy anything pretty expensive in the last couple weeks have I I pay my phone bill last couple weeks you know the most the most expensive thing that I've bought in the past couple weeks is my cell phone case for like 32 dollars how much is your phone bill 75 if I if I don't go over okay here's the deal you say you like Marcus right yes his family member basically yes all right how long you know no Harley however I know Harley a couple weeks a couple weeks yeah you get to know a person pretty well in a couple weeks no you're right you don't okay now you gotta decide who you're going to help here okay okay if there's something you know you need to tell us right now I don't know anything else you just told us that Harley likes to fight but Harley wouldn't hurt him he wouldn't hurt him Harley only fights people if they pose a threat to him if they get into his face he only fights people they get in his face all right I'm gonna tell you we don't go after people aren't better innocent okay we may for a while but we get on the right track Heart's Mother told police that during a battle of play wrestling Wade put his hands around her neck and choked her forcefully and then afterward wondered what it would be like to do so until the life left a person's body and then we'll go after the guilty people you understand that the last thing I want to do is throw somebody in jail that's innocent all right you understand me yes I don't want to do that that would go against all my beliefs but I need to know what happened and what you really believe about Harley because I don't think you're being honest about Harvey you're really not you know he's capable and he's probably got the attitude to hurt somebody from what I've seen yes he does okay he gets mapped really easy I've seen this too okay and he was agitating Marcus that night with him not that I can recall now he said that in a statement what was the exact quote how was I he was uh he was trying to I believe trying to get Marcus to play he was chess okay he's aggravating him are you he's aggregating to play focus and chess but they was playing at the time and by the time the game got over Harley again went to the living room and shortly after that I'd went to sleep and shortly after I went to sleep that I heard um uh Harley's door shut I believe it was pretty well the state that you gave earlier everyone at the table sure Harley ever get out and drive the van I'm not supposed to I listen covering for him just makes it more difficult I understand that I really do but I don't I don't foresee him doing any of that stuff he wants to make a house he wants to make his life good okay one of the Instagram things I'm not going to tell anybody anything what you're going to tell me next okay but I want you to be honest with me Debbie's not going to find out Ron's not going to find out nobody's going to find out okay I want to know what Harley's done wrong in that house Harley has him and my big sister they Clash because they have bad attitudes at times they Clash at times and he gets mad and he'll just leave the room he'll go he'll go leave the room and go to his room cool off about 15 minutes and he'll come back and he's happy go lucky and that's how he is hurt wasn't even sure what day it was when he was originally questioned and just agreed with whatever time anyone else suggested he does this every time the police sound confident he changes his story to fit what they are saying because he assumes he is wrong so he's never done anything wrong at home the guy that has a troubled past like him been in so much trouble he's an angel in your house I don't believe that for a second I think you're still covering for him and I'm getting fed up with it you need to tell me what he did wrong I'm not going to tell anybody I'm not going to squeal him out I want to know what he's done wrong and at home all right the only thing he's done wrong is get smart with my sister constantly that's it yeah that's it he does all the chores he does all his chores he doesn't smoke cigarettes he may smoke weed but I'm not for sure all right let's expand on that how might he smoke weed how might you he comes when he first came here he he has said he smokes weed he has said he would love to do it again and he said if he knew somebody he would go get some right now okay and you know what I'm going to do about that nothing I don't care you understand yeah I don't care what else has he done wrong in that home he's not an angel I know he's not I know he's not he's got a troubled past I know that he's been on walk up he's trying to walk us since he was like 10. mm-hmm okay but other than that let me start with my sister and talk about smoking weed obtaining it and doing all this other stuff with weed I don't know you don't know I do not know he's not done anything else wrong he's not a knight not throwing no no at all what do you expect my answer back to Luke when you talk miles are dry I'm talking no you had to bite your lip to give that statement just now qualifying your answers it it's it's not working for me okay he does some stuff wrong in there I know I know he's done some stuff wrong what else see that wrong what about him and Andrew tell me about that and then Andrew get along really well how well I mean everyone they do hold each other's hands and all this stuff but they're not allowed to date or do anything like that they're of age where they're going to be thinking about um other exploits I don't know what do you know I know everything about areas once they're going to find ways to get around had they found other ways that you suspect not from what I suspect no really to hold hands and hold it again I mean he'll walk out to her in the bag and hug her put her put his head on her shoulder and every once in a while I'll see him hold each other's hands that's it so get your blinders on from then on everything else that's what you're saying I don't believe that I think you see what goes on there I know you see what goes on there and he's done things probably shouldn't they may not be illegal but he shouldn't be doing them am I right yes what are they are in the house pardon like when he's down in the house yeah he okay he gets mad and when when he gets mad when he gets what do you know my business you told me that okay and he just keeps going and going and going and going until he finally walks off okay after he walks off he cools down and he comes back I know he told me this all right he's done more than that a kid like him doesn't just stop they keep doing stuff all right they can't help herself it may not be their fault all right it may be the way they were brought up but somehow he's a troubled child and he's caused some problems there and I think you're still covering for him I'm not covering for him what else he done wrong I know you see some stuff not that I know of he's never snuck out at night never left if he snuck out I'm asleep okay so you don't know if he's done anything else I'm asleep because I usually go to bed around 10 to 12 o'clock usually it's 10. okay how's the 10 o'clock when you work all the time until 10. it's only on today so I don't work it's all the things I do work I don't go to bed until about 11 12. earlier you told me our other interview I got rarely read about three times what time is you home that night you said 10 o'clock 10 o'clock 10 o'clock three times you told me that a recorded interview in my car that night is home at 10 o'clock now you're saying that you're not getting home until 11 30. that is an hour and a half difference what did I say 11 30. when yeah while ago when you're just playing your bus rides across town when you went to Walmart and that was going on Thursday you're going off what I told you about Saturday no you told me the 9th and Marcus was there we said the nine Marcus was there what time do you get home you said 10 o'clock well you know me you said 10 o'clock he said and you said 11 45 is when he started walking out the back door okay you didn't get home until 11 30. that's exactly what you said you said around like 45. and you change the volume to 12 30. then you changed it to 12 45. then you change the letter nose at midnight one time and then you go to bed you said at 12 30 then it turned into one that you went to bed then I believe it was almost 115 that you went to bed you said about 10 different time frames within an hour two hour time period although you said but you don't have to look at me now I wrote it down I believe you me I mean Hertz hand was swollen from punching a tree and there were also abrasions he said those came from cutting himself on a piece of equipment at work when they checked the police found that there was a jagged piece on that machine and co-workers confirmed the story he had trouble telling the truth wanna put on a spot yes okay and you're putting on the spot right now exactly I have a real tough time I want to believe you but I just there's something there's something missing there's something missing I can tell we can both tell them no we wouldn't have you down here for another reason I know I wouldn't have you I would have interviewed you so long in the car you've seen how long it took me to interview everybody else in the car yeah yeah I use almost like 45 minutes interview or something like that in the car 35 I said look at the 35 yeah and you know well you're here here's the deal we can either help you or you're on your own you understand that yes okay right now we're trying to help you now you might not think that you know you might think we're here grilling you you know making you cry making you do all this other stuff you know but we wouldn't be giving you the second chance if we didn't want to okay I had enough from the interview earlier to get warrants on you and put you in jail okay yeah he was the last person seeing yes I've got a you know something's happened to him you know but if I'm the last person that seen it was I'm going to make me a suspect not to get a warrant to bring you in is what I'm saying um I already know you guys think I'm a suspect because my hand's swollen and um did you figure this out did you guys keep asking about my hands the detectives are trying to make heart feel guilty for coming to a logical conclusion golicky went missing a body was found and now hurt is being questioned of course he would assume his uncle was dead at the tell sign when did you guys keep asking today or the last week was that I was suspect no about your hand you came in okay on the day that I worked you guys saw my hands I know is that when you thought you were suspect okay suspect of what that I did something to Mark or helped in any way to possibly kill mark we'll kill now but harm in any way at that point I saw it I even broke down it worked in case you guys came to tradition my hands that's when it clicked you guys think I'm a suspect two others have to play you know what I really do that for that statement because not one time anyone would say anything about kennel on your own I don't want to do this everyone said he's found the High River he won now he's saying he's killed oh my God it's time for honesty all we're done is an investigation I know you guys are we're doing investigation concerning Marcus we're looking out for Marcus right now you guys are trying to help him too if I did anything to harm them I don't know honestly don't they're giving us a lot of information that uh usually a completely innocent person wouldn't do if you need anything to harm Marcus you really don't know is what you just said what kind of statement is that because after what you guys are saying you think I did something to work that's what you just said if I did anything to Harvard Marcus I don't know I didn't I did not harm markets in any way possible after he left I went to sleep uh [Music] I don't I'm trying to help too but I'm trying to help for my safety now you guys are just throwing me and drilling me for your safety I know it is pardon I said I know it is if I wasn't here right now I'd probably be in jail I realize that because you said you could have bought one to write me in and all this other stuff but I don't know what else happened after he left that's the thing why did you leave that uh later that night I did not leave later that night you sure about that I'm positive I didn't leave later that night so I ain't gonna have you on camera at the store where I throw the point right away yeah important right toward Riverside Drive I'm not gonna have you on the camera driving down the road or riding in the vehicle down the road right I did not ride in a vehicle there's no possible way when you driving a vehicle then no or walking no possibly walking yes but I thought okay that night is either that night or something like after that I'd walk down the camera gas station and got a 12 pack of RC Cola after you disposal went to bed I said either that night or the lives before or after so when I got you on camera down there that would be the night the burgers was there you went to bed after Marcus was there and then you left and we got some Marcy Cola Maybe so you're saying yes I'll be honest I have terrible terrible memory when it comes to time of day yo terrible lying problem is what you got I know honestly oh we have a very terrible lot of problem because you know what you're lying about this right now because you know I just called you out on that and you're the one that's sitting there saying that you left and we got RC up the road but that's not what you're telling me okay you're sitting here saying Marcus marks out the back door I went to bed didn't hold his door shut down Harley went to bed while he was playing chess then you start you know I didn't go nowhere like that I went straight to bed and I blacked out but I don't really black out but I'm a sound sleeper is what you said but now you're saying you know what I went down the road and got me a 12-pack RC and they came back I honestly do not know what I if I did something I do not know about it well maybe you did something to him you don't know about it you ever think about that yes so you could have hired Marcus and not know anything about it gosh is that what you're saying hurt is so upset and Confused that he doubts his own memory and actions if he had proper legal representation they would not have allowed this to continue could you hire Marcus on accident playing around with him or something to hurt him could you have done that guess I didn't play around with him I played the game of chess we talked and we left could you have done that because you don't know anything you're doing right now Apparently after 11 o'clock and I could you have heard Marcus on accident could you hurt Marcus on accident answer the question could you have heard Marcus on accident after I went to bed oh after you went to bed and we went and got overseas whenever that's right okay when I go to bed I have I have time sleepwalking but by the time I went to bed he was down the street I don't walk that fast I have club foot could you have hurt Marcus on accident yes I could have so I don't know for a fact I didn't William if this was an accident if something happened and it's an accident okay it's an accident you understand that yes okay if someone else did something and it was an accident we can work with that I told you that will all go yes if this is a stone cold velacious act we're gonna work on a different you understand that yes I understand it you're telling me right now you could have hired Marcus and I know about it yes I'm pretty sure if I harm somebody I know about it in any way shape or form you understand that yeah okay you're telling me you don't know hurt makes the mistake of saying that he was physically capable of hurting galicky he means in the same manner that everyone is capable of causing harm but it can be interpreted as an admission of guilt what happened there's something you're not telling me there's a part call it in my memory why can't you call what you did to him I didn't do anything to him you're telling me right now you could have I could have yeah and make a statement to you that I could have done something if I know damn well I'm good I didn't do it but you're telling me that you could have done it was an accident we need to know I don't remember anything after I fell asleep that's the thing apparently you remember going getting some RCS I wanted 25 dollars a piece okay it was ew that night or a couple nights after that I got home from work I was working the weekend shifts you know notice that your attitude changes oh my God [Music] what about the attitude changed at the Home in the last few weeks what do you mean how did you change I'll talk to everybody there at the house and said you've got an attitude change the last couple about three weeks or the last few weeks is what I was told you've had a bad attitude today you know or you crushed like a 200 replicate just threw that back I took it apart yeah I didn't no I put that out because my buddy wakes up a little night and the fact that we're moving to the new house on Lincoln where we plan on moving to my room's small I can't have a big side cage so I took it part I set it outside so much easier to do is to talk about something like this that you actually really did and you know then yeah the other stuff that you're trying to fabricate it's a lot easier to talk about that ain't it okay but then when I go back to something else then that's when you get all hemmed up and start crying and get all emotional remember earlier when I asked you about the DNA if I could find in your DNA on Mark yes what was your answer I don't remember a little bit honest okay little man let me ask you the question if I go and take Mark and I've you know lift all the DNA off of him all over his body clothes everything else where could I find your DNA at on Mark on his hand in the back of his shirt because I've had on the back of the shirt and shook his hand off it was as much I'm not gonna find it anywhere else no are you positive about that yes I'm positive I'm not gonna find your fingerprints anywhere no you realize this stuff stays on there for a long time right realize it does yes each person has their own set of fingerprints I really like that too I don't want to tell you honestly what I believe so I did it Something's Happened and it was an accident okay I'm not going to sit here and say you did it I'm gonna say an accident happened and it everybody freaked out and then nobody knew what to do okay in about three years he's trying to cover up for each other this is a deal if one of the first one of cracks is gonna be the lucky duck the second one of the cracks might be all right the third one hey definitely ain't gonna be all right you understand that okay if you want to talk about going to jail and everything else wait till you're number three then you're gonna see a lot of jail time number one might might be lucky right now you're not number one Something's Happened to him I know something's happened to him you know something about it and you you need to tell us because I'm telling you right now well it was right now you're 18 years old you got your whole life ahead of you if something is screwed up someone screwed up you know about it you've done something or might have done something but you really don't know which I ain't believing that by no means by the way if you've done something or know about it man I'm telling you you want to be the you want to be the first person to come forward because right now what we're gonna do so we already had Jamal down there earlier talking to her you know that okay right now she's gonna help us most you can be there too we're down there talking to Deidre right now her sister Deandra was also threatened and coerced into making a false confession I'm sure she's gonna help us hear how not happiness at all and we're going to interview everybody in the house we're gonna interview the whole family we're gonna interview everybody on the Block we're gonna interview the people of Kangaroo store we're gonna review everything little ones go down there we're gonna pull all the videos and everything else and see if you and Marcus were down there that's kangaroo still I didn't go anywhere with him that night well if Marcus was down there at the Kangaroo store then you walked in right there after him they'd say you went together I didn't go anywhere then [Music] I'm turning keep my emotions under control but fine so what's up but if you need a cry light off just go ahead I mean if that makes you feel better go ahead it doesn't because I'm getting interrogative something I didn't do well so far you've sat here and told a bunch of Lies once you're done that's what you're getting targeted about it's all your lies and inconsistencies which you've agreed you're a bad liar and you have a lot of inconsistencies correct that's why you're getting questioned and grilled about it okay we're doing about all your inconsistencies you're the one that cannot come up with a solution for that okay remember earlier when I told you when your mom finds out you've been lying she's gonna Grill you until you admit it and then you file admit and get it off your chest and you feel better and you might get a spanking okay that's kind of the same philosophy here okay you're lying your you know you're lying about something that's why we keep grilling about it to get it off your chest make you feel better help our investigation you know we'll deal with whatever later but right now we're dealing with this and what we're dealing with is you line your inconsistent storage and there's only one way to solve it I mean let me tell the truth and nothing but the truth yeah pretty well it's gonna start from the beginning man I've already heard this story like 52 times about you playing chess okay what I want to know is what happened supposedly when Marcus walked out the back door which I've been told you last out the front door so I told you like out the front door I said I've been told that I'm not going to tell you who I heard that from I've been told that you know I got the back because when he walked out to the garage to put on his shoes and he walked out the door side door right here and walked out that way I've seen him walk out the back door and I went downstairs to my room you see walk out the back door do you walk into the back door we were talking okay you're talking about Saint I was talking about saying Iran again like if he goes to come because he said he was walking from the east side of the West Side like he usually does and I told him that I want to see him when he comes back around inside the city that he got on walked out the back door put on his shoes walked out the garage door in the left it's always you shake his hand I shook his hand it's after the chess game man after he left let's check it one more time after he left or four left will you pay him on the bike you want to walk in the door he walked in the door I walked in the door to see my mom after I got home from work so you didn't shake his hand then you decided him on the back Pat it on the back after I walked in going with my head he told me earlier you shouldn't fight him on the back the same time your statement earlier was I always did that's a big boss checked your hand put them on the back same time I didn't say I always did at the same time I said always walk in and when I see somebody I like a knife I've had him on the back and shake their hand I found them on the back like this and then after that I shake their hand it's a formal greeting okay earlier I'd have to review the tape earlier I'm pretty sure that you said I shake this hand panel back at the same time you kind of did a little motion like that all using a car because remember I was like well how you do that you know because I asked you you hug them or whatever you're like which is not your whole family you know gotta do those other guys yeah I mean I know that's my buddies so but you're just trying to figure out what happened from the chess game 20 lives I know that I'm just trying to figure out what happened to him but when he left I had gone down to my room I fed my rabbit and then I went to sleep tell the truth now because I just now call it that I was lying when you said reset what I had said forget the RC it's a day after that that night I took me and Harley went down to the gas station got a pack of RC came home I split it 50 50 six cans each with him and went downstairs then I went to bed to the next night the next night Harlow there the next time he was at his mom's on Friday he was there all day as stable it was he was at his mom's all day Friday visitations only last for a couple hours was there all day hey I'm doing you when we get to the bottom this we will wow wherever it settles it settles okay people that help us the most intern help himself themselves something you really got to think about I'm trying to help myself I really am I what's wrong what's up I'm not going to jail that's from what you guys tell me I'm probably gonna be the one that's going to get the most when we leave this room before if we're still at this standstill that's always a possibility you want some time to think about it we're going to step out he's sitting here back about five minutes talk to you you need to do some real heavy thinking real quick get some soul searching the detectives are going to leave hurt alone long enough to make him even more nervous and desperate to say whatever he thinks they want to hear I'm really heavy thinking two grounds need to help Mark you help yourself you know what I mean a little balance matters in this besides you mark right now you gotta go for yourself you gotta help Mark but I'm trying not to work but we're done we're waiting five minutes we'll be back okay you really need to think about this [Music] [Applause] [Music] exactly please I don't know if we have water what about it Coke be okay sure would you can you drink Cokes all right so would you rather have water and Coke right here 's story remains essentially the same and the detectives are visibly frustrated [Music] [Music] well you ain't Soul surgeon yeah okay what do you want to start or we haven't heard anything before where it's going to be new and foreign woke up a nice morning it'll just stay off I didn't want real estate and hang out with family you just put all this stuff along with the chores and the yard work and I played poker with my family after that and you guys came to me a lot more you interviewed me at exactly 11 o'clock in about 15 minutes when my dad came out for a second in about 11 20 is left before that would end every work okay on that day then I worked that night with Tyler Commodores 945 to the mall are you done before when I after all that one second when I got homeless Edition unstable you know all that is I sat down with him then I told him after my mom had she's on bed anymore and then while we're playing Harley came in and he was like I can beat you all in chess I could be jumping about how well I know I told him that we would play outload on the next game which his work that he was not playing after this you know play chess I shook his hand he sat down I talked to the other head uh as you know and then after that all I did go into his room and then Stephen went to his room because they both kind of split the ends and the girls went upstairs after that we walked over to the kitchen sink you got a drink of water he cleaned off his macaroni salad bucket Chevron and some coffee and took a drink we walked the door still talking to him one more time to see him around he's walking out the back door then I went downstairs exactly I don't remember anything else [Music] detectives switch tactics slightly since they haven't gotten hurt to admit to his own guilt they are trying to get him to implicate someone else I mean I have one thing to say about what the hell are you talking about um because you started off this story walks in here I'm going to tell you everything that happened at night I also went to bed the next day I played poker with my family and they only started oh what when did you start this story because the next day's fun Focus your family then somehow you reverted back to when you was working two days before and then you come home and Marcus is home and then you're coming back to this and he comes like this and you're saying you went downstairs and straight to bed as I remember a while ago you remember going out there and taking a rabbit and I asked for you at the bed what you just told me doesn't make those sense to me at all it's almost better before when he was lying your hands off this and it is now I mean that didn't make no sense at all did it make sense to you I heard a tail end of the story than the start of the story yeah after the tail ends listen I know I don't think you can help yourself I don't think you can help yourself by what you're saying because you're talking in circles makes no sense let me ask you this is it possible there's something else that you just haven't told us that maybe you're kind of wanting to tell us it's possible but I can't necessarily recall it yeah okay circles again let's just deal with what you know okay don't hypotheticals is there something that is there something else that you know about [ __ ] um after you left I don't know what happened though okay back up but you're still there something else happened something else is going on here you never thought of the holiday thing continues and she told me five hours ago or something that was sitting in my car talking a little girl brought up and you just kind of put it off or nothing but now you're saying it again I want would you really take the chance I'm looking at this two ways you're our guy that harmed him no doubt about it you're the one you're the evil son of a [ __ ] you need to go to prison forever or you're helping somebody else you're holding the information back helping somebody else I think your loyalty is leaning towards someone else in this and not work your listen needs to be from work right now maybe you did something wrong you should have done and Mark wouldn't like you for it but you know what that's what we can deal with it we can deal with it right now if you keep holding back and it seems like you're protecting somebody to me it seems like you you don't tell us the full story every time and you talk in circles you understand what I'm saying there's something that you're not telling me and I can sense it I can tell it and you understand uh that's the structure of Justice yes I understand that okay all right the very least the very least obstruction Justice we get somebody in here and proves you're a liar I'll come back to you I'll come back to you all right if you tell me right now what's going on let's work with it we can work with it okay I think you know more of each other I know you know more you're jealous I just know it all your body language the way you're answering your mannerisms we go to schools on this stuff we learn right now okay and and profession and you're not you're not telling us what we need to hear you're just not even if you didn't do anything to Marcus and you're helping somebody by covering it up not telling us the same thing as you doing something to him and if you're aware of that that's all destruction it doesn't snow so I'm talking about moral value here morals well no he said you want to help us out you want to help I want to help you guys that way you're not doing a good job you are not doing a good job of it at all and frankly I'm kind of a little sick of the way you're talking around the circles and everything else because I've heard the same crap for the last two hours now what you did that night and more or less what you didn't do that night I mean man you're so far after I left field but I don't know for everyone to be able to get the truth out of you because you've already been here compulsive bad liar I mean maybe that more than one time I mean you're telling me you could have done something I asked you about your shoes yeah they might be down there she's a friend like mine down by the river okay and you're saying he was killed we never said he was killed no one ever has said he's been killed all the facts you can have so many facts that do not think we can build a case against you okay then why would we want to help you out because you know because you know that I'm innocent and you want to no I don't if I'm not at this point at this point I do not believe anything right now you understand that I'm neutral you think that I'm holding something that could help no I know you are and you know what I'm holding some things I can say my butt and help Marcus this case this help you but you know what it would be a great help for the whole family your family is tore up okay the whole goal Mickey family nurse on the brothers sisters everybody okay our tour uh we've had to go and do death notifications today okay and sit there and talk to people and want to break down in tears and everything is you think it's fun for us but that's what we've had to do for the last two hours and you keep beating around the bush do y'all think that we're gonna live for terms about this okay great I'm telling you this could have been over two hours ago just give it down harder today and we can always be home with our families to everybody else everybody could have been done here's the deal okay who are you protecting I don't know what you got going on I don't know what you're thinking in your head right now but you need to be thinking one funny man I need to help Marcus and I need to help myself and that's what we told you before we walked out the best way hurt could help himself is to stop the interrogation by demanding a lawyer who might be able to limit the damage that has already been done we come back in here and you hear us how is that helping anybody exactly so why would you even entertain that fact I mean you're you're not doing anything you're not you're not eliminating yourself as a suspect you're not helping yourself out you're not doing anything here the only thing you do is make it a whole different for yourself because you're inconsistencies your wives and everything else that's all you're doing I mean all you need to do is tell the truth exactly the truth and we're going to determine if you honor them suppose to turn your life yeah you determine yourself in your life I know why I mean that's not going to look in front of 12 people in a jury not too good what's wrong when you get up on the stand and you sit there and swear and testimony to this and you oh no hold on I'm sorry a lot long ago sorry to honor you know yeah sorry 12 people out here okay then why are you doing now that's anything you're doing it right now we're trying to help you you're not seen in the family you're trying to help someone else we're trying to help you but I'm telling you you know it's always the person that comes out on top is the truth and you're not doing it I mean if you want to go down that's fine if you want to go to jail hey we're not talking about you we're not worse than jail okay prison no we're gonna horse in prison now okay trust me and that's what you want to do you can do it it's not what I want to do I mean why don't you help us why don't you telling me the truth the detective has implied that hurt would get the death sentence this is highly unethical because they are not allowed to give legal advice or speculate about sentencing because right now that's all you're doing buying this line these exists of stories and everything else you thought about these facts about him being killed him getting this and this we've never said that's all you said but it's all out of your mouth you know what I'll say whatever I heard you guys talk about a funeral so people that are amazing they're not yes I do okay I didn't say anything about anything now the detective is just being condescending and ridiculous the police don't randomly show up at people's homes to discuss funerals hurt nugolicky was missing and his death would be an automatic assumption in this case I never watched anything killed to no one you don't understand that you brought that all up on your own you guys just want me to come clean so that way we can pick this up okay now earlier when I went to go probably look for a cell phone I did talk to him I asked him what he said and then apparently he told me that he slipped up and said that you were left for the same one no that's what he told me that's why I went off of when I said he was dead at the funeral I said he was the last person that seen him here alive is in he was here at the house I never said he was killed because that's what I got off of that and then I heard that he's talking about funeral whatever and I just assumed that he was a kid even if I said he was the last person he seen a lot of kids about car wreck he could have walked down the road and hit my car he manifested us killing yourself oh because you said he got killed you said it already but I'm going close together no you're manifesting how am I manifesting that's what that is you're manifesting it because you're getting information that you don't even have a clue to travel about and you put it all together and you say oh he's still he sounded harder because my dad that little lord said four days later I think the Lord was Sunday or Monday it came out and you're saying I have it on Wednesday you have to text alert and somehow you're relating to something that happened Wednesday back from something to happen Sunday and then the body is found maybe the different markets and everything else is what you're trying to imagine you're trying to Manifest this whole story up and the reason why you manifested his little torn up to nothing to yourself in the middle of it and to protect you remember you're protected that's exactly what you're doing that's the story of and we ain't buying it and I guarantee you you hardly talked about more than just that in a little tough time hardly after a while I guarantee you he's gonna tell us what happened because he's going to crack he's the type of person that's gonna crack and be your little baby he makes his big bad boy but he's not even I think you are but you're not I know I'm not but you know what I hope he does crack and I hope he sits here and tells us the whole story and you know what I guarantee you he's gonna say you know what I thought William they're doing everything they can to force hurt to make a confession or accuse someone else they are leading him to believe that if he is first to tell them what they want to hear that it will go easier on him but that is false [Music] that was gonna have an eagle crack and involve you in this now the only thing will save you from that is if you speak first that's it I don't know what kind of bonds you got going on I don't care I don't care if you think he's your brother we don't even eat your brother and he's simply staying there he's using you using your family that's all he's doing he sat there and told us earlier he's using you guys soon as he gets he can get on his own he's a house get done he knows all of you he's got way two years ago it don't matter if it's two years six months it don't mind it don't matter if it's tomorrow he might decide tomorrow he's done with y'all and he probably go somewhere else [Music] and I'll tell you what detective Jones Is Right what's going to happen is he's going to say he's not necessarily going to crack he's going to pass the buck on you you did it he's gonna say you did it and when he says you did it guess what we got to believe that dude if he comes in here and tells the same story and not changes anything we got to believe him because of all the stuff that I've done myself yeah you got me consistent with this he he at least in here and consistent and and points a finger at you and says you did it all he just watched or heard about it it's you but that's still reversible at this point you understand it's still reversible because we've got you in here we don't have him in here because you know what his record shows that he could do something like this his record does show that yours doesn't that's what I'm saying your record shows that you don't you couldn't do you probably would not be the most likely person to do this he on the other hand is very much so he is all right that's why we got to know this now knowing that are you going to be the first one to give us the full story and the truth or we're going to let Harley do it it's your choice it's your mogging it's your choice right now we we honestly I mean we really don't care we're going here yeah we just want to know who we're gonna hear it from first we're giving you the opportunity to say it but you've known him one month I'll tell you what no human month he can pull the wall over your eyes he could BSU and believe it you've already started to see it the way he's into it with your sister right he's into his bigger sister that's his true side I think all right somebody didn't follow along with him if I can cause hurt to distrust Wade and say that it is possible he murdered galicky the detectives are more likely to focus on Wade who has been in trouble with the law multiple times right yeah I think you have you can follow along with him you're kind of friends with him right he's the kind of person I consider him like a sociopath you can't really have friends exactly if you knew as bad as it can be right now and you know what that thing is you're letting him do it you've been letting him do it all day long that's about you've been letting him use you now [ __ ] you you want to stand up for yourself or you want to continue him want you it's up to you that's myself right now I'm gonna be truthfully honest with you right here I don't even know what he did I mean he came in he wanted to play chess all this other stuff and then he just left the room I don't know what happened after that I had seen him for the rest of the night I think that's theirs I did not stand for the rest of the night why why do you do this why are you doing this I'm getting so ticked off how do I when I talk to you tonight you seem like a good kid that made it maybe have made a mistake you don't understand how big a mistake you're making now your whole life hinges on this being truthful your whole life hinges on this I know it does you know currently are not getting it because when you lean up and say you know what I'm going to be recruitful with you right now I'm going to tell you everything and then you turn around and say loud remember nothing what's that that ain't being truthful that is not being your fault you sit there and told me uh he went to this room earlier I know that he didn't come back out and everything else and then later on they started earlier was always bad and I heard Holly's door shot that's exactly what you're telling in a car he said you know I heard it he went to bed shortly after I didn't because I heard his door shut because I asked him well how do you know he went to bed if you did because I heard his soul shut okay you're getting there and then you know what I'm trying to like push myself to the side here I don't know what happened I don't know what happened I went there that night you're you're singling yourself out is what you're doing that's all you're doing right now okay that's not helping you out okay all your things that I went to bed okay that ain't saying anything it's not that's not gonna get you out of this fire you understand that you know okay you're in the bar no things won't save you is we find out what happened to Mark that's it and I you know what what if Holly comes in here says you know man this will happen oh God I'll walk downstairs you know those interplay test hard to they was going to go out the back door and then you know William shut them down the steps and big fish out of it you know why that 12 people on a jury there everything else yeah the only thing not you know that's going to save you is you tell us what happened and then we can prove it with evidence stories and collaboration okay that's what I hateful safety you understand this because it's going to be your word I can guarantee against uh Hollis word I'm guaranteed because this is America and what he's done no because he's going to crack he's going to sit here and tell us what happened and he's going to implicate you into somehow because I know I could tell when I talk to you all I talk to you and I talk to him separate okay and you're saying he's your brother and all this stuff brother you said well I'll go he's my brother that was your exact statement when I asked you you said yeah he's my brother yes you're gonna have to consider him my brother he's a foster kid okay I have to well I'm going to tell you right now you might consider him your brother whatever he considers you as another person in the house none of these hurtful statements are able to be backed up by fact the detectives have no idea how Wade feels about his family they're trying to provoke a negative emotional response from hurt by any means possible neither of you be there for your sister that's what he's there for I mean he is there honestly to flirt and do stuff with your sister after this particular insult even if hurt did turn on weight it could hardly be trusted and the boat off you got that's what's gonna happen like he's done his whole life you know you don't see this right now you think oh you know what we're going to be tired with bugs you know I finally got a brother around my age and everything else okay may not understand where you're coming from okay you've been Foster Career you've been around you know you finally have a family to treat you good everything else you don't disrupt that I understand that okay you don't want the family to be broke up I understand that but you've got to understand where you've got to draw the line is it going to be your family or is it going to be Harley it's going to be my family up to my family first okay Harley is not a member of your family you understand that yes okay I want to maybe we're getting to turn to you right now okay your family is the people that's adopted you turkey man fed you clothed you everything else okay you have log on for it you work a list you've got a job you've got you know possibilities you've got everything going he thinks he's been bad and they're tough life he's not he's pathetic he's an old 16 year old baby Punk and if that's the kind of you know role model that you want I don't want to go ahead and I'll tell you right now as far as your Foster family and everything else man do your fosterone is going to feel better and look at you different if you know what we don't resolve this and everything else and they might suspect you had something to do this or they're gonna look at you and be like you know what he manned up he told him exactly what happened you know they solved it Mark got you know his Justice you know and William by God he stepped over he'll help the damn police to you know solve this case which one are they gonna look at you better problem solve the case Okay so if you're worried about getting you know kicked out of your Foster family and everything else the way you can help them out more is helping us out helping yourself out you see what I'm saying yeah okay as far as Harley man is not worth opening they've made hurt feel desperate enough that he might say anything to get himself out of trouble in that event it would not be difficult for Wade's defense team to argue that anything hurts said against Wade was unreliable no hey it's all you know everybody for ourselves and mystery I mean if you want to get him your whole family up or Harley that's on you that's not on us you've got to realize that that's all on you and I don't want to see you know the whole family and I'm not talking to Mr Foster family I'm talking the whole you know Marx brothers and sisters you know Mom and everybody else I want to see him all them up by some stupid mistake of you withholding the information or are you keeping something to yourself because you're trying to protect somebody I don't want to say that but unfortunately apparently it's going to happen unless you say something so I guarantee if I give her a whole speech to I only eat keep singing like a bird so man it's up to you it's your ball game you've all talked about it he told you consider beating you right out like a book man he has told you what gonna happen and it scared the [ __ ] out of you and you're just like I mean you're like right here like what do I do you're freaking out you're going every which way I understand that man I understand it man I've been there I don't and you don't know which way to go but I'm trying to tell you the Texas villain is trying to tell you the way that you need to go the way that you have to go for your sake for your family's sake for Mark's sake we're telling you the right direction you're the one who have to follow the way you understand this what has happened what has already done what it's hardly talked about what has happened it's the only time he says something to me about this whole entire ordeal was when he talked to me about you if that's anything anything else that happened I do not know about because what exactly did he say to you he told me that when he was in the car with you that you slipped up that you were the last person that could see him alive or something like that he told me that and told my Kim that she no not I should tell him that or that well let's say the exact words to you told me it was so sorry I said I said so what did you he say to you he asked me about the polygraph test and if they found DNA my DNA on them and they flipped up and said that you've lost friends across the same alive and you caught it again and it said something else that's exactly what he told me do you see a problem there do you see it probably what you're saying if Harley said I slipped up and said he's alive you're not see some guilt in that statement he could have possibly done it yeah okay helping me out here um okay that's not exactly what I said hurt is far too trusting he is willing to believe anything the detectives tell him even if he knows it isn't true all right when he when he said I didn't slip up I was looking for a reaction for me yeah which I got the reaction I was looking for yeah now there's been War talk than just this you've been it's been almost two three hours long so it's been 14 days since Marcus was left at your house two weeks that you and hearts band together I know he's done told angry but Andrea we don't think it's cable will do anything so who's at least yeah although they say they don't believe Andrea was capable of harming galicky that did not stop the detectives from holding her in jail for several days are inconsistent too we're giving you this chance but your time's fixed you want to say something you don't know how to say is that the problem well I'm trying yeah I'm trying to like remember thinking about it so long and trying to manifest something's a little story [Music] because all you're doing when you're Center silence and all these you know and giving us all you're just taking me a little bit it just makes me look you know sit here wondering I don't have heads over here now the only thing I'm thinking right at me look worse if this is a conversation you should have to think about it yeah the more you stop the more you think the more you you know trying to build up the story everything else is the more inconsistencies of refund a long time ago but we've not yet heard the truth not yet and you know I asked you earlier you know what what should happen to somebody that was involved in The Disappearance or you know the you know of Mark yeah you're actually go to jail hello I would like your answer your answer was that's where someone else's side I can't decide someone's faith what's your answer and I'll be glad to buy that back for you anybody else everybody else has the same question too they should go to prison and pay for what they did here's totally different the detectives press on with their intimidation twisting every comment hurt makes into something that supposedly points to his guilt here's all the polygraph how do you how are you doing autograph if I asked on a photograph how would you do if I ask you the question did you have anything to do with The Disappearance Mark dolicki are you are you withholding any information regarding The Disappearance of him and when I or do you have any knowledge of that so how would you do on that question and I said I probably don't know yeah that's right he said I probably wouldn't pass okay if uh some opened that question I was fast everybody in the whole family said there with us would pass except for you man I'm in it they found me if you all good alcoholic I don't want to you I can share a sale together if y'all want to be roomies in prison that's fine y'all want to be roomies try Buzz whatever like more power to you if you're intimidated by him if he's threatened you drug you into something then we can help you get up out of that but as of right now we can't help you because you're not helping us yeah I mean that's what boys I do I know of his past now I know what he's capable of there is a chance he could have done it or he could or you know I could have he did do it it doesn't changes that too from what you're telling me no don't do what I'm telling you because I told you no I'm not told you nothing what did he do tomorrow that's what relationship I don't know after he left I don't know truthfully what Harley did I honestly don't he could have gone to bed he could have gone somewhere else no he did not thank you now look because when he got up and looked at his pockets and they looked like they were emptying it didn't empty had a wall watching okay he's funny because usually I look at people's feet right we're getting hurt usually when I look at somebody with their feet first you know it's a thing I learned from school when you talk to somebody they used to look up so he's looking at his foot no when he walked past outside of pocket he had nothing in there and when he walked towards the door he didn't have anything inside because usually when he bought the baseball cap he just wanted I don't know what happened to it if he was one of the best ones out was it I honestly don't know golicky had a baseball cap folded up in the pocket of his pants baseball cap when you see him at the kitchen table he's wearing a baseball cap he left with it I don't know what happened I honestly I do not know what else happened after he left but that's the thing I don't know seems to me hardly made a man talk to him something or if you ever talk to you something you didn't want to do no never never he has never once talked me into doing something that I really didn't want to do or didn't want to do it all okay so you're gonna go on record saying that Harley did not harm Mark or you don't know if it's a hard time tomorrow I don't know if he hard Works did you harm her no I did not and you won't take a polygraph over this yeah Harley Quinn Park I don't know did you kill mark no I did not so why did you say Gilmore earlier when you asked me nope you're going about it first I never say anything about someone killing anybody all we said was fun but I did not kill Orange I did not did you do something to Mark and not mean to hurt him no anyway they did not that I know okay well that that right there was the most guilty thing you said all day what did Harley do with Mark I don't know what he did who else he said the only thing about the only people that actually were in the kitchen that night were me Steven okay maybe Steven did it then no you know people that are in the kitchen at night were me Stephen Longmore and Harley after he came okay so your mom did something no she didn't she went homework in any way okay so Steve did you involved in it had to be either me or Harley but I would not harm Mark at all but I'm saying it had to be either you or him I wouldn't Norm work I wouldn't harm anybody for no reason at all I believe that you wouldn't harm anybody without a reason I wouldn't harm anybody at all that's the thing dander she wouldn't harm them at all either wouldn't harm him at all my buddy she's pulling the finger around back at yourself heart is too stressed to see that the idea that he must be guilty because he didn't know what happened is as weak as it is ridiculous [Music] at least and it also turns out that guy's family I don't harm my family I don't I do not harm my family anyway this whole time and something for horses now oh now you are but well there he wasn't the result when I might have I can't remember if I'd done anything to harm Marcus what was that something lying trying to kind of like me covering up I did not harm Marcus in any way now go earlier you're lying to me about I could have I don't know what I've done I could have harmed myself that was a lot you know what you're trying to tell me that yes I'm trying to tell you that now the more hurt tries to talk himself out of trouble and explain the worse He makes himself sound some people do not do well in stressful interviews and end up coming across as guilty when they have done nothing wrong people about the story okay you know I don't end up bug bite together so I wouldn't kill a person either you know like maybe you know I don't think you would start out that way but maybe I would never kill a person I would never harm anybody maybe it's not Harmony buddy that's different when I say harm I don't mean kill to do something too things can get carried away somebody did it somebody hurt mark somebody did hurt more but that person was not me it was nobody in my family okay I don't know you just sat there and said someone or Mark but it was on me that was your statement somebody hurt mark so therefore you know oh you would have said I don't know the curve Mark you said you agree you said something about her mark okay somebody had to over otherwise you guys won't be in your question to me right now but wow we're back right now we're backtrack okay we will probably give you a call for a polygraph okay now are you finished on it I can't take them that's what we'll do I'm trying you know yeah don't even say you're crying foreign I can understand that but it doesn't help Mark out are you sure ain't helping you out for what I'm getting your body language I mean you know it managed to be holidays always friends coming over here I don't even have friends that come over that really Narrows down to you oh that power down because nobody else is coming over the house so I don't have any friends come over you don't have any friends come over he also have friends come over or the girls and my little brother okay you think your little brother and friends even home somebody no big sister no okay so now we're back to you and all right man honestly I want to tell you this right now and I I really don't care to piss you off now but pretty pathetic that if you know something that you're not telling us that shows you your true character it's pretty pathetic that you do this to your family you do this to them and do this to everybody else it's crazy it's pretty low it's about as low as you get but I'm not uncover for anybody and we're coming from nobody I'm trying to help save myself not done that so far and I know that people say I don't know putting other information that I already know into that that I know of into the investigation does not help at all the inspiration that nobody else should really know hurt is struggling to find something definitive enough so that they will immediately drop him as a suspect even if he did suddenly blame everything on Wade he would be surprised how easily the detective could twist things to make him sound equally as guilty I know that doesn't help I don't believe in that you don't know Mark and you do not want to help more and you ain't gonna help your family and you ain't gonna help you kill everybody grieve and get closure on this it's on you the only way you're always not gonna be sleeping tonight I mean your own swag is on your head on your chest for the rest of your life not me if you want on your chest on your head think about this rest your life I mean or how long you live it's not only tomorrow you know Saturday Sunday whenever we saw this case and I mean are we gonna make it back your head I was gonna be on your chest I don't want to get it off another night people live with the restaurant either you're gonna live with it [Music] I told you I have no reason to believe otherwise I know that I know that you think that I did it I have no reason to believe otherwise I know but it's because of how I've been and what I've been indecisionly telling the stories and not keeping what I originally told the detective right here it could have changed us so many times can you all live with this no no do you love yourself and why are you gay man go you gotta get off your gym now when you leave here plans will burn God it's gonna hurt I mean You Gonna Fill This One You're Gonna feel miserable you ain't gonna be able to live from that day you ain't gonna be able to sleep people say what are you not thinking about this you ain't gonna work right work all of you don't get this off your chest that's all that's what's gonna happen so you use this off your chest today I guarantee you can walk out here a lot better than what you're doing you're hurting right now I'm gay you're hurting yeah it's bad that's probably body language something for 35 hours but apparently you just don't know how or you don't want to I don't know but if you think that you know you feel weight or you want to feel weight if you tell on somebody that weight is not gonna be near as bad as what you're feeling on your chest right now you're hurt bad man I'm telling you get off the chest clear up man you hurt yourself well it hurt the detectives paid a grim picture and try to convince hurt that the only way he can avoid that outcome is to confess whatever Spider-Man starting right now you tell Andrew you get this off your chest it looks like you're a man I might not agree with what happened but I'm gonna look at you as a man and you man up go ahead and get off your chest and what happened and then say it like whatever how you think you would say it don't look for words just say it get off your chest come down you the way you get it off your chest and the way you want to say it get that weight off all right bro you get it off your chest you turned yourself up right to say quit tearing yourself up let the pain go away get off your chest let the burn go away you understand tell me what you want to tell me get the barrel I would never harm the man in any way possible man has always been there for me since I had a thought for the various hard man intelligence waste of them being corn I care about them but to enter my life I would die for them if I have to I did not do anything to harm one disability telling the detectives how important golicky was to him is not going to make them believe him they have shown that they are convinced of his guilt and it will take strong evidence to make them change their minds ET with that ain't nothing with you on the third hearing a little bit you almost told me what happened you almost told me the truth and then you know what you thought man if I get this out maybe I'll feel better but you're still hurting all right there that makes you feeling better what you just over and make you feeling better you can keep on pretending and saying these things won't help you make you think you're gonna feel better but the burn is not going to get off your chance the pain in your head is not gonna get out of your head none of that's gonna go away until you tell me the truth and what'd you tell me right now I believe I believe right now that you would not intentionally harm but okay the malicious activist hear me out however something's happening more no man I'm telling you do you not feel pain yet but who you wake up with this for the rest of your life every day you're not felt pain you're not felt grief you not felt that I can't help it every day functions I can't do this relationships rest your life being around girls everything is going to be affected by this right now you're affecting all your whole life right now man I'm telling you get off your chest and we can get through this all three of us together can get through this but right now you're trying to lay all the burden on you all this burn is on William if you let us know what's going on and you tell us what's going on but the burden will be lifted and he will not hurt that bad will not hurt nobody in the house not my dad not my mom's not in my sisters me or my brother would harm anybody or that man anyway because it is go ahead and get off your kid he's the only person that would no don't go there you're going to sit there and you go what you're gonna do you're gonna give me another sentence and you're gonna feel a little bit of stress relief and that's all you get ready to do now right back to what I'm doing right now and you're gonna feel the pain in him because I can turn the pain on and keep turning on I keep turning on board control or I can relieve the paint from you buddy here's one expecting this on yourself right now you're doing this to yourself you understand that I'm not doing nothing to you I don't have a you know a lighters in her banking but you feel like you're on fire you know what we want to hear we don't want to hear that other stuff you know what we want to hear and the detective sums it up when he tells her he knows what they want to hear unless he is willing to say what they've decided to believe they aren't interested even if hurt is telling the truth anyone hurting yourself and hurting your family you can keep on giving as soon as right around stories but the only thing you're doing is hurting yourself and you're dragging yourself through hell right now for no reason no reason you're doing this to yourself so this doesn't make sense to me why do you go through so much pain right now just trying to hide something and why would you do that I don't know I've always had the tendency to preventable before myself so this is a non-unique explaining that you need to put yourself in your family this is the time you need to think about the outside picture because what you're doing right now and you're gonna keep this bottled up I'm telling you you're not gonna be a function do you want to look rest your life no you're gonna feel it burn every day hold on no we can't even eat work [Music] in the back your head this whole time I mean if that's what you want that's what you're mandatory if you want to if you want to sit here and leave here as soon as you get in that car man you just gonna hit you like a ton of bricks that's going to hit you hard well I'm trying to help you here I'm doing nothing to you I don't have a you know a hundred percent here behind you but you feel like you're on fire you know what we want to hear we don't want to hear none of that other stuff you know what we want to hear and if you want to keep on hurting yourself to hurt you family you can keep on getting sensors the only thing you're doing is hurting yourself and you're dragging yourself to hell right now for no reason no reason you're doing this to yourself so this doesn't make sense to me why do you go through so much pain right now just try to hide something why would you do that I don't know I've always had a tendency to put it through before myself this is a darn unique thing that you need to put yourself in your family this is the time you need to think about the outside nature because what you're doing right now they have briefly switched from intimidating hurt to using a softer approach as if they are looking out for his best interests I'm telling you you're not in a little function do you want to look at your life I can no you're gonna do it burn every day all night no we can't even eat first time you eat don't have that stomach hurts earlier good work you're gonna do a work bit of work to be constantly in the back of your head this whole time I mean Jesus that's what you want that's what you're lending towards thanks for each other well I'm trying to help you here I'm gonna tell you if you tell me the truth and not this run around story that you were going to sit back and you were gonna feel that this whole room right here he's been lifted off your chest until you tell me the truth tell me what really happened you gonna have to play the world on your kid and it's hard right you can't go to sleep bro he ain't gonna be right yeah you all go back to normal life the way it was about a month ago yeah okay three weeks ago but good actually two weeks ago that's not good your attitudes changed your cleaners changed your body's changed everything for the last few weeks because there's reasons for that there's a reason why you're acting like you're here right now but the reason why you keep tearing a reason why that burns on you there's a reason why you're thinking like this and we know the reason okay so Amanda man don't don't they could be as expected or anything else here okay I know you're scared okay I know this I'm willing to do what I can okay to help you I do not want to see you scared or is your life I do not want to see you hurting anymore your feelings is almost to you hurting mark it up in the heaven now he's looking down in your engine I won't see you hurting anymore okay none of us here want to see the pain that you're going through and you're feeling right now almost hurting me to see the pain that you're living with right now foreign [Music] [Music] who could have done it believe I don't want to hear that over here okay but I'm telling you you want yourself let's get this off your kid so close to getting that pain off so close to getting this this pressure off you get it off your chance man don't feel prefer anymore don't feel this pain tell me give it off your chest don't do this to yourself don't listen don't give this to your family don't do this tomorrow get this off your chair nobody in the family but I'm working anyway what is how to do in fact I do not know one of the most upsetting things about this interview is how obviously hurt believes they are trying to help him and how much he trusts them to be honest it was him because from what I'm getting it's a good chance that it was just about what will you tell me no it's what you're telling me by the way you're tearing up in your environment you're feeling the body language your Channel you're telling me I'm sorry what did I do don't say you don't know don't don't say you don't know answer my question what did I do you almost said it right there with your hands what did you do you already make a mistake William what did I do you already told me you did something because you said nobody in your family would do anything you've already done told me that he did it what did he do I heard someone walked out the back door let me ask you again okay you're starting to feel a little bit of relief ain't you yeah through the burn right uh because he wants to go away he wants all over go away because you run out you're just like you just took tones you want this fight to go away yes that's hard to do it now after the door closed for the second time I said after after the door closed again I fell asleep after you heard the first door closed did you hear the van please starting to be able to start up was they it wasn't started out I think they all started the same from my room what did I really do all right he knows what level did not be you said you're talking right now I made a mistake he did his accident whatever it is [Music] you're going to try to continue to live with it you can't handle this on your own you cannot do this by yourself you can't do it you think you might be big tough you ain't gonna do it because there's something you've never experienced before in your life you said that earlier yeah you've never been to this before I hope you're never gonna do this again but right now you're in the middle of this and you're feeling it you're living it you're my bad right in the middle of this if you want to continue to lift this every day then leave me hanging where you're leaving me hanging right now hearing the doors opening and closing isn't going to be enough to satisfy the detectives did you leave with that vehicle no I did not get that shot it would have been somebody else in the vehicle I know you know because you're trying to tell me right now but this guy ain't stop coming out your mouth either way what happened what happened foreign I think that he got beat up to or not be to an inch of his life for him why are you sending this is [Music] an hour they say he beat up Mark say yes he's nodded your head and I already said he'd beat up more right foreign what else do they say that's all that he said William where did the river come into play you just said you're going to be to the throne in the river where does the river come into play get off your chest please get off your chest amazing Center is listening you said earlier you'd do anything and you would die if you want did you know I'm sure mark would feel the same for you he would die for you and what do we know about him from what I've gained this whole investigation Mark everybody simply and then he was part of his family High School all I'm asking you to do some managers but what happened that's all I'm asking you very very simple no one was that right there don't ask when you die from what if Mark was in here and he was the one that we found in the river I guarantee you are because of every detail without asking I guarantee your family to me right there and tell us everything you want the same thing you want us something that you want us to do this tell me right now if you're afraid of harm hurt has reached the point where he is willing to say or believe anything to make this stop if that was the case I cannot I cannot remember at all what did Harley do you talk William you're right there buddy what did he do anything about the other way it was European Mark right now somebody hurt you hurt your little sister [Music] all I'm asking for you to do the exact same thing return the favor but Bart can't give you no more return the favor we're trying to get more for trying to do this Walmart help us thank you man good night hey you're you're there okay see you later the burns start to come off you still have a hard time breathing right now that's what I'm saying yeah so pressure yeah whatever man we can work with this tomorrow do it from work man eat this up you said you really cared about it you said you died for it is for him cannot remember Carla maybe we go approach me to do it that's what I can't remember so what does Harley do tomorrow tell me what he did tomorrow look it doesn't work disease did for your family would they hardly do to work we've got to do something or sorry might hurt another person of your family protect your family foreign T isn't able to resist the detectives and chooses to make Wade appear guilty and then um he's hurt for another vehicle [Applause] sometimes Mr Riverbank you shoot picture down there by the river but you make mistake um in fact go lucky wasn't beaten at all what else happened mark Harley William you keep looking at your hands you touched more scars on your hands those Fresh Cuts that you had put your hand is stolen up you get more the marks on Hertz hands have already been explained and goliki did not have any injuries consistent with being struck that we need to remember did you choke mark I don't remember when I shoot again do I asked you if you hit mark you very much suggest that your body language if you made an accident or if it was a mistake he was messing around or YouTube's playing and things went South I need to know every single detail just if I don't remember will you be there remember you're trying not to remember you're trying to shut it out okay you're looking at your hands because this is the hand that you hit Mark with how many times did you get one I don't know more than once seven five six notches laser on the Torso repeat it you're already kicking yes why are you lying on the ground man who isn't really choked it was it early yeah probably choking change the way that you've seen Harley do them so he's jumping from the front where did he choke him at where did this take place in I know you remember my house [Music] did more please and then you guys got the man and chasing down or what he left I went downstairs don't ask me where did you beat Mark at that um where did you be more of that far away understand the health department olicky was not in the van it was searched thoroughly and no forensic evidence was found McDonald's didn't make any noises I don't remember I love you all of my girl money from this account I have my own account s already have this wallet all right where's that I went into somewhere in this room when you guys went to the river was angry in the van with you you know but dangerous in the van with you hello how did you guys know where to go who else was in the van I don't remember who else was in Vegas there's you Charlie Carter there's someone else who is driving with me a bunch of people that drives buddy uh you remember everything about that night because that was part of the most weirdest importance not in your life you'll know for you this not to raise your life you'll never forget any details of this you can tell me everything you can take it right back to the spot where you guys did this you can take me everywhere you can tell me where he he turned him at you could tell me everything you are kind of listening who else was in the van that night that night who was driving the van [Music] where it was probably it before this Market in the back road I think he's already beat up at this point what you all thinking business Robbie y'all do this for sure reasons we just spur the moment kind of fun time or what um just for fun okay so would you referee's money and he had money why would you hit him that's picking my brother you by yourself [Music] she didn't get out you know what I have to do is water bottles the coffee alone because you don't want to show the happiest puppy um sure excuse me no I said are you sure how do you do that foreign okay do you think he's got out of hand yeah what did you guys have to gain because it make you feel better that you actually killed a person you know if you realize you killed someone yeah everybody I never dreamed of killing a person at all I didn't think I did it I don't want to I'm not I don't function that way I would never hurt anybody just for fun I would barely hurt somebody and they may be mad but you're more oh my deodorant is she heard him I don't know she thought she I can't recall is she kicking no it wasn't her Elizabeth I know what you told me there's a lot okay it hurts doesn't help but the white there's a lot of weight lifted off here right now let's deep down you feel better a little pain where yes this did happen hurt has just damaged himself in a way that is going to cause himself and his family a legal tangle that will be difficult to navigate once someone is confessed it is almost impossible to take it back is there anything else you want to say step by step tell what happened okay all right you know more in detail as to what happened okay you know you guys are playing chess start from there Parker playing chess and the Harley came in and bear me that he could be inside my chest and I told him that I was going to play the next game about 20 to 25 minutes [Music] then after that he walked over to the screen containers they're spawning around trying some of it so you just leave them shook his hand you know somebody along with downstairs I got woke up by Harley set up about going out doing something we got the van theater out in the front seat keep saying Mark out on the street we beat him up tied him up put him in the van should come down to the river shove his hat in the pocket this car doesn't walk as far as the water bottle I couldn't follow whatever it was and through the river sleep early okay let's back out when you came up on Mark do you know where it was you know which way do you leave your house do you recall towards the west side of town okay how far did you get another four did you make it to wine box okay how far okay go ahead and go into details to clarify it for everybody okay saw mark and what was that I can't remember you know about what was said doesn't have to be exact ly I'm gonna fight you guys decide to stop okay please see more of them and say Hi and then certainly get out of hand you know you'll see there's where I'm confused we got to be very clear on this and start getting out of hand how did it get out of hand how many hits did it take for him to to lay down to attend and you guys kept getting him a few more times and then Harley started choking um and how did he do it if I lay on the ground would you show me how that's what was exactly done I think that's a good idea that'll be more clearer for us [Music] there was more privilege because I [Music] on top of it okay and then so yeah I'm right here and I'm passed out when did he start kicking like two or three times [Music] Harley was on this side of Mark was he on that side I don't remember okay go ahead okay you don't remember I started taking your medicine one of the sides for like a half now you went like this like a stump was it a stop or a kick okay I mean it was that way or this way okay how many times are you kicking different [Music] I bet that didn't want to happen he's now he's unconscious golicky was in good health and would hardly have let two people attack him without fighting back his body had no injuries that fit her story and hurt and Wade should have also had marks where golicky had fought back [Music] the river this guy was full he put him in the van of his front seat captain seats the third seat did you laying down in the back or actually in the seat actually okay because of the needs for me you know if he was just sitting little money I don't know because when we go around we someone's a little overhappy okay indeed I don't know okay but she or you guys putting in the van he was laying down sideways in the van or what okay okay so I'm not sorry um here's your name okay let's grab some Professor side two seats two seats because forever passenger that was three feet Sunset right two seats two seats and freeway for the way okay where was he at what which seat I'll see you I don't see all right yeah so he's on the three stage yeah setting up come laying down okay now earlier you said somebody tied him up where did that take place with what all right on Earth instead of telling her I'm coming up what are you talking about was it Angry I think she was there she was there which I don't know go ahead thanks I don't know but okay I'm telling you you will remember every detail that's right now while I talked to you before you said you're subscriber and he said Harley was in there he was in there but because man I'm telling you you're not protecting nobody so she said that [Music] okay foreign with kaliki when he was found or anywhere else in the area what color are the sheets Harry Potter this time tight or loose or did he ever regain Consciousness or kick or fight again right and so now we've got any located in the van and then what you guys decide to do at that point Skip One you guys are here you gotta be talking you got to be telling them you gotta be planning something on what to do here you guys realize probably you've done something that was some steak what do you guys talk about yeah that's what he talked about and then where'd you go or who came up get down there in that River somewhere to hide the body okay who came up with the idea to put it put him in the room right yeah you're telling me everything you're telling me the truth there are several things wrong with this part of Hertz story no cameras in the area show the van the location where hurt says they put golicky in the river is Downstream from where he was found meaning he would have had to afloat against the current four to six miles not even remotely possible Empire there is format often and pick up the return of someone else who's unable to take it to the river go ahead right here the easiest places to take it to the river entrance why foreign [Music] can you drive right to the river there you have to get out if you want the body you know yeah [Music] pushing off Rich getting the water yourself um it's pretty heavy it's a little sit down thank you Hotel instead you remember every detail that I think we shouldn't have done stuff just to find out in the river where exactly do you go like let's go when you first see it like on the right for the for the little areas but then you walk down that are you like walking through the little steps and you go down where you see where the balls are you talking about the plaza down there okay now that they think hurt is confessing the detectives are suddenly willing to believe everything he says all right we're like it means like a little gravity like it's not part of this pay me for this bike trail I guess you'd call it when I got out there until they walked now of course the river was he still tied up and you put them in the room you're still tied up Okay so oh that way we can make easily the Five Points where we use like the whole also takes out of the room and fire something there um we'll go down the ramp it goes this way and we'll park okay so we went down that ramp we're gonna go down that ramp complete passing a little more you know where the grassy area it's the little biker Trail we stopped there with a stone cut out like the rocks right foot area because we got into the water and then we just when you when y'all put it in the river what are you sinking me loaded I believe which way towards above or away from the boat you know the boat's at right up here I thought how far how far do you watch it flow we all but you know whatever and then we got to the van don't mean you didn't just go right home what was saying when you go all the way back in the van like I understood and uh how we're gonna get in trouble once they find out or if they find out if you guys did [Music] and then you just started driving on the list only until you all try to come up with the same story or somewhere to juice Hotel [Music] he was there Saturday night my life okay did you tell your mom no tell you wrong I don't know it wasn't me your mom knows position on that I mean you all know what you all did before today no William I believe that okay because she's the one that came up with the Saturday that's the last time he was at the house okay I'll see you later Saturday yeah because what you told me in the car he lives somewhere else he's in a river yeah okay so I could have been at your house on Saturday how did your mom find out what happened who told her hurt had not foreseen getting his mother involved but he can think of no way to explain the discrepancy I wanted to remind you once again my new merch shop is up strangerlabel.com is full of relatable designs like the unstable and the mentally checked out t-shirts as well as other cool items like the All-Seeing beanie and the stranger socks every purchase helps support this Channel and you can even write me a short message on the purchase page I'll be reading every single message that comes with any order big or small so I head to strangerlabel.com and get whatever you want and with that said let's get back into the case who told your mom what happened I told David what happened who told Debbie what happened why did he tell her what he said to her features said that we've seen more along the way we were going that's fine baby what's going on so he was there for a little bit of yeah did she ask you about it goodbye what did they say yes what did you tell her I told her a long enough to tell her that she had beat him up for him in a river yes and what did she say s what did David say when you told her what you guys did again why she's trying to cover up for you guys working did you ask her to cover up for you still after the cover up for you guys I don't remember willing to do to who asked David cover up for y'all what did she say she said that is Saturday and Debbie said this foreign for another person who knew what's up you guys killing mark assume really yeah um the day before us if you guys told her all right right did you say that being your first step okay well Stephen don't know no and like I said you know carries your sister my little sister her biological sister so Stephen Curry don't know the Debbie with you overnight no who's cleaned the van since this happened I don't remember yeah our armored if they haven't cleaned the van even if the van had been cleaned it wouldn't have been enough to prevent the forensic team to find traces right yes so that's why she was driving one more time so it's just you Andrea yes Harley and welcome back tonight yes where'd you go clean the van out right here a gas station this one the kangaroo have a 41 off-road side yes they got a driving car wash thing you know they got a shop vac car wash so who washed the van I don't remember he didn't watch the van tonight about all the time you guys were turned on about two three that was two or three but it wasn't two or three there's a higher difference there man that would have been at least 2 30. it was 2 30. hey what happened with Yoda we started talking about the band and when when did y'all tell baby next thing at night it wouldn't have been the knife the next day yeah okay so the next day being you remember exactly what this was what day it was what day on the Thursday the 14th honestly can't remember I really need to kind of like a judgment of you know Father's day or Sunday yeah do you remember how many days it was before that you talked to Debbie okay so probably Friday because that I mean it happened Thursday so about 300 or something about Friday and how old is the first one that told her are you sure I don't remember I honestly told her nah she said and when she when she knew about it she said was it late at night did they probably told her or was it during the day or about what time was it remember all right later than I thought she said she's gonna call the police the next day but every day what happened to all his money how much of the of his mind you're gonna spend that on it I don't remember but a lot I don't remember that night I mean you always have gas station everything else I don't know who went there about all the junk and the goodies and the pops and all that I'll go like he had at the time of his death was a debit card which hurt claims they stole and used at the gas station records show that his card was not used at all that day and even if it had been there were only eight cents in the account I wish I thought it was bought tonight remember shall I use cash or do I use his card cash at that point so you can use this card he used March card at the gas station whether that's kangaroo police say yes the kangaroo or Riverside and they're 41. Marsh card was used that night and I was all the way back from when I was on the way back from the room because when you use this card okay now of course they got kangers in there everything else um what's the excuse me who is gonna be on the camera actually using the car okay which would be okay so the user is the one that uses card um putting on the store so then somebody was a Harley dealer honestly I mean hardly could have used the car because he's 16 and you know they recorded him anybody he said that card yeah uh did did you use it I'm not gonna find you doing a transaction with it before am I going to find you on camera using that debit card am I going to find you on that camera using that debit card of course you told me hurt is not struggling to hide the fact that he used the debit card he is nervous because he knows none of them will be on the camera at all you say you have me on camera you told me that you found me on camera well don't worry about what I said earlier what I'm asking you now am I gonna find you on the kangaroo on the video camera he uses Mark's debit card yes how much did you purchase and chips yeah food yeah candy okay who all went the store [Music] how far are you in the store so when I look at the video it's going to show all for you in the store or getting stuffed and everything and then you are the one that actually select the card did you sign what was our pin number my debit card you can use it as a debit or credit use it did you sign it when did you sign it how did that serious you saw your name I don't remember William did you find your name I've been so serious I don't remember who else would have signed it and before what's going to find it well they're not going to haters on it I would think right but I mean if you swipe it perfect inside the journey okay the original message is you know these are important facts I gotta know okay yeah I understand all right now you're gonna go to the gas station you buy stuff and it's getting money but all of a sudden if you do all that then you come back to the house okay when you're back to house you're all in the land talk about what happened sorry and then you're still talking like we don't tell anybody what's happening in the garage take some stuff how did you sleep at night did you sleep that night not very good hold it a little through your head when you was trying to sleep oh [ __ ] what I got to do yeah that's pretty much all into my head have you been able to sleep since uh if I'm not thinking about it yet how often you think about it better actually about every minute of every day every day I think if I get interested in something I'll start thinking about understanding about that one thing [Music] right now every while ago when I was saying honesty we'll get that burn off your chest you know I'm over leaves right now and see what I'm saying this could have been done many of hours ago yeah three hours ago we got here about four so about five hours my five and a half hours a long while okay but I haven't won okay go ahead let me see that real quick field curtain is there any more stuff in this wallet no that's only my gift cards my uh library card my school IDs and my debit card and two dollars whatever the first student Cardinal thing at right now marks I can't honestly tell you earlier you said it was in hurt can't tell the detective where the debit card is because he never had it all right sir it has to be because it has done this that's all my transactions with my debit card you say all this I do to keep track of any uh those are the only thing that I kept them away that I've been keeping recently keeping them so I can see how much apples on my card so when I like if I have to put your money for the bus or yeah I stuck it behind so I can hear my credit card congratulations yes and there's another uh gift card right here okay that'll be definitely fine right yes [Music] do you care if I look at your phone real quick foreign put anything on Facebook no I want ringtones don't you bye-bye is everything that I buy on the phone go straight and whatever on your debit card it's got my um all right man I'm gonna step out just a second uh but I'll do that right now because we know I know you can work tomorrow take your phone with me okay now that the detective has the confession to fit his preconceived theory he is relaxed and almost cheerful as he wraps up the interrogation [Music] for 30 minutes okay I always have it in my life again through my left pocket I gotta reach in there and I'll freak out okay the homeless little I got to stay here for a couple days off from Kentucky this is Evansville yeah out of my jurisdiction all right let me go figure out what's going on all right back with you I honestly like you guys haven't really really reach out my memory for me to remember and you did a good job you did all right I'm almost close too I don't know really if you told me everything that happened then you told me the truth and it's got to be pretty well spot-on doesn't it yeah I feel a lot better now I hope you didn't but now we gotta deal with it okay I'm gonna step out of here I'll be right here in the hall okay huh okay let's take that right there hurt was arrested following his interrogation the only source of probable cause to arrest him was the confession and so everything turns on it Deandra who was 19 at the time was also arrested following Williams confession after Jones vantlin wise and now a deceased epd detective interrogated her the same night she too was read the Miranda warnings and signed away her rights her interrogation lasted nearly two hours and was also recorded based on Williams's Aunt deandre's interrogations the detectives also arrested Andrea who was 16 at the time Andrea was held for seven days before being released without charges Deandra and William were both charged with murder among other crimes Deandra remained in jail for four months at which point the state court granted a motion to suppress her confession and charges against her were dropped Williams stayed in jail for eight months before his trial the jury did not convict him on a single count had he been convicted he could have faced more than 65 years behind bars the hurt family sued the police department and a settlement was reached for an undisclosed amount thank you for watching check out my patreon link in the description below and drop a like on this video also don't forget to leave a comment I'm always curious to read what you thought of the case