[Music] this is ma Max hrum and what you're about to witness is one of the most Sinister sounding intros to a trailer to one of the greatest epics ever produced in the history of Television there's more because you are going to see it as well welcome to facts or [Music] frauds good afternoon everyone good afternoon your honor your honor yes sir good afternoon all right Mr Watts there at the jail can you hear me okay yeah all right let's go ahead and go on the record this is in the district court of Butler County Kansas cases entitled state of Kansas versus James Brent Watts case number 22 c83 the state appears by Cheryl Pierce defendant James Brent Watts appears in person prosay Attorney James R Watts appears as standby Council uh we're set today to take up a motion filed by defendant Watts as well as a an issue raised by um attorney Watts as to what his role is a standby counsel I thought it'd be appropriate to take that up on the record with um defendant Watts present so everybody's on the same page as to what attorney Watts's role as a standby counsel and I think I'll I'll address that first um and my vision of standby councel um attorney watts would be not to provide legal advice or trial strategy that sort of thing but rather um be there to explain a trial procedure how things work um the inner workings of a trial from vire opening statements the jury instructions opening arguments closing arguments that sort of thing procedural matters um ensuring that defendant Watts has a fair trial that the trials run efficiently um I don't expect that you'll participate in any examination of of witnesses or or address the jury in any manner uh I just want it clear that you're um helping with the the legal type um things that go on in a trial rather than St straty because defendant Watts has chosen to represent himself and wants to present his um theory of Defense himself so um that's in a nutshell kind of what I expect your role to be also you might be able to provide him with some limited access uh to the outside world for maybe providing some phone numbers or addresses for Witnesses he might want to get in touch with I don't expect you to be a a role of private investigator or or anything like that but as Mr as defendant watts is in custody if you can help him with just some maybe providing some information you can get there handily I think that would be appropriate um also to advise him of certain rights he might have such as his right to testify or his right to choose not to testify those sorts of things so attorney watts does that kind of help clarify what your role will be well it does your honor and the reason I ask is was it it was not very clear and that's not necessarily the fault of the Court by any means there's very little guidance out there in the case law or as to exactly what that representation means it has always struck me that if you're not very careful it can be a trap for an attorney um to bring on 1507 or some sort of a a um disciplinary problem that you're setting yourself up for that sort of problem I don't want to be in that position um I've told Mr Watts James bwts that I'd be I can assist in uh obtaining subpoenas and documents if he helps um we haven't really discussed strategy very much to be perfectly honest he's not really interested in hearing what I have to say in terms of strategy um so I think that helps a lot your honor as to um I've noticed some cases that have come up through the appell system where a a uh standby Council has been essentially put into the position of taking over when a defendant in the middle of a trial turns to him and says I've done all I can would you take over here and I don't think that's a realistic position be in for any attorney to have to step in in mid-trial and take over a trial and I'm hoping very much that's not the position I'd be expected to be and should that happen well I I've I've seen some of those cases as well and and it frankly I don't I don't feel that that's um appropriate for someone who's who's assisting the standby councel so th those are um what I had envisioned as your role uh let me address defendant watts do you have any questions as to the role of of attorney Watts a standby Council uh well I've asked him for things and he hasn't gotten them but uh I've had bad experiences with attorneys attorneys in the Bible are the worst people you can Poss they're absolutely of Satan and the devil devil and everything else attorneys and lawyers are the worst people are oh save me Jus they're evil I've been screwed by them up at Chase County they've allowed people to lie and I had to do time in prison so I'm not going to deal with that they're going to be put to where they need to go hell uh there's no I don't know of any attorneys that I can say have done good so Mr Watts you're you're entitled to represent yourself and that's what parents have committed perjury saying because they're afraid that they're going to get in trouble for something or me having firearms I hit them in their house I've always have firearms I always will by the laws of the heavens laws of the universe there's no restrictions on anybody having firearms to fight evil with so I'm not going to deal with that I'm not going to abide by that law that law is purely satanic but anyway now Mr wat we're kind of veing away from the issue of Mr attorney Watts's role of standby counsel so Miss Pierce do you have any comment regarding the issue of attorney Watts's role of standby counsel no I think that the court and Mr Watts um have a handle on it all right the other um issue I wanted to address today is a motion filed by by defendant Watts which is titled motion to end the no contact order between me and my parents so defendant Watts I'll allow you to argue your motion at this time well my parents are Guardians and they're also Trustees of an estate they handle my money and I need access to my money I can't get my money and I need that polygraph I want it for evidence I can introduce it in cour many different ways whether it's taken that law enforcement use polygraphs for uh to establish probable cause or do this allow uh a probable calls or not allow or not have problem calls the showing of it they can absolutely be I can file them in with filings if nothing else I want that polygraph take it do you understand yes but but anyway uh I've got other I've got many filings we're going to have to I've got evidence I've got to talk to arms list on my accounts there and uh I've got to also uh call uh the phone companies contact them to see what records they have and what Arms This has I've got to get responses from them the whole idea of a preliminary hearing is to tie down evidence in that because they're absolute perjury attaches in a preliminary hearing uh there don't need to be uh uh any lies or perjury like that from my parents going on on the Firearms not being mine or me shoving them down I'm not going to deal with it now you've got a situation because the deputies told my parents that they were going to get in trouble if I had Firearms evidently I have to find ex L what all said they haven't wanted to tell me or even County attorneys talking to them about me having firearms I believe every felon needs to have firearms the felons aren't the evil and wicked people it's all positions of power and authority and society and governments and the wealthy that are the real evil and wicked people the ones that are in the prisons in jails or some that have been possessed by some Devils demons unclean spirits at the commands of the real evil and wicked ones to try to fool everybody the evil people are in jails and prisons they are Mr Mr Watts you're kind of veering away from the uh motion that you filed was to allow contact between your and your parents do you have any more yes I do I've got bank records I've got to get show my access to cash on hand I've got phones out there I've got to get a hold of I phone at the Butler County jail I've got to get a hold of that They seized out at Leon I need Chargers to go with them but I'm GNA have to go through them and pull out different messages that I haven't deleted yet on me purchasing firearms and ammunition and that's information you believe your parents will be able to provide you they have the access to the phones down there uh also the County Attorney I requested paperwork listing all of the firearms and ammunition with that was seized I need to know that because I'm going to question every bit of that at the preliminary hearing I need full list of everything that was seized of my property and it is my property all right Miss pierce your response to the request for Mr Watts to have um the no contact order lifted with his parents judge quite honestly I thought that had been lifted did months ago um there was a um time that he was in the hospital that we actually did a order lifting that um that was a few months ago also um my contact with um the county jail around that time um as I recall was that that no contact order was was lifted if the gel is still operating under a assumption that it is still in place and they need some kind of written order to the same that it is not I will be more than happy to do that um I have no problem with him having any contact with his with his parents um again I would request that all of their statements are recorded So so I don't have an issue with that so um again I I thought that it was been lifted that issue had been addressed a long time ago okay do you do you recall when that may have occurred well when he went to the hospital the hospital required an uh a order um and that was that was way back um well Miss Pierce if you're not objecting to it then I don't think it matters at this point I guess my question is to the jail and maybe I don't know if the person that's there with Mr uh watts can answer that question or not whether or not they are still operating under the thought that there was a no contact order um but again I don't I don't know why they would be because I've I've spoken to Mr Reynolds about it so I don't know if that's I I don't know if Mr Watts has attempted to make some kind of contact with his parents and he's being told he can't I don't know if I I don't know exactly what the circumstances are that the reason that Mr Watts continues to believe that there's no contact order in place all right well I don't believe the phone's going through I don't believe the phone allows them the answer it needs to be checked on but I need to make sure I have access to money for different there's will lift the no contact order if the order hasn't been lifted previously that will allow you to have contact with your parents if you need to communicate with them by mail if you're not able to get in touch with them by phone you're certainly allowed to do that Mr Watts okay is there any way we can have the phone checked to make sure it would connect if they will answer it well that's not something that's something the court does they can't you can't order rentals to uh check the phone and make sure it'll it'll conect no I've got see I've got talked to them about access to those other phones out there cell phones and then the Jail's got one but uh I need to have access to them and Chargers so I can go through the text messages and uh possible phone numbers on those too okay well there's no contact order is lifted so you can communicate with your with your parents so uh Miss Pierce would you be able to produce just a brief order so we've got some I didn't see anything um that was part of the court file just so that's part of the court record I will do so judge okay now we've already got the preliminary hearing we've already set that that's going to be October the 1st at 9 o'clock that's an in-person hearing here at there no way I there's no way I'll have my evidence by that time okay well we we've got it set so if if you're going to be seeking a continuance you can raise that at the appropriate time but for now I'm this case has been pending for a long time we need to get it moving um we've had this date the preliminary hearing date set since August the 12th so all right I believe that addresses the two issues the court wanted to take up today Miss Pierce anything further no your honor there's other filings that are in there one is to reschedule October 1st date and a motion and then also uh oh the list of the firearms and ammunition that I'll be addressing in court but they say were their property I need those lists provided to me and uh I need to have that polygraph too taken I don't know why we haven't got situated on that well Mr Watts if if you want to pay to have a polygraph done you can do that it may not even be admissible you'd have to file a motion to I can still have it use it in other court proceedings well if you want to do that that's got to be at your own expense the court doesn't provide funds for you to do that yeah but I don't have access to getting in touch with anybody get that done okay well I don't have any other motions U that have been filed recently Mr Watts have you received anything Miss Pierce the last one I have is the motion to end the no contact order which was filed August 23 I haven't seen any other motions that have been filed since then judge uh according to what I have in my file um on September the 3D there was a motion that I this is filed by Mr Watts the defendant motion that I be given list of all my firearms and my ammunition send seized for me and then there's also a another one that is um and that was done on September the 3 at 11:47 a.m. and then there was another one that was filed September 3rd at 11:47 a.m. motion to read schedule the October 1st date of the preliminary hearing so I can get all my evidence collected um and then of course the motion to end the no contact order which was filed on octo August the 23rd I think those are the ones that um that I have that are the most recent filings judge Angela do you can you try to pull those up please I AG right I'm going to take a brief recess and I'm going to look these over I I would rather just take them up now judge judge I address those yeah judge I I want to clarify with the court that um Mr Reynolds who's uh watching this indicated that the no contact order was lifted that Mr Watson and his parents have been speaking periodically on the phone Mr Reynolds checked the phones and the phone is not blocked was blocked unblocked months ago so Mr JB Watts defendant has had access to his parents phone uh for months so I the cell phone um I will be more than happy to do an order lifting that no contact order as of today but it looks like it's already been done right okay right I'm gonna I have not had unlimited access there's been uh one or two times I talked on the cell phone just a little bit and I was supposed to talk again and it didn't go through all right I'm going to take a brief recess and review these other pending motions thank you your honor hey can you hear me James yes what uh now hang on keep in mind everything that's said here right now is open to the internet and the public and everything else this is not I I was just W to know James Mr what James did you hear me this is not private okay you understand that I just want to know about what had been set up on the polygraph test uh the best polygraph the polygraph examiner the most people use around here is an Augusta I've not had a chance to talked to a guesta um I frankly have no idea what he costs well I have money that's been on I haven't been using much money that been on my account so there's plenty of money out there James with very very James polygraphs and we touched this this before polygraphs are not generally admissible in court I can use them in other ways for filings and stuff like that to get them on record uh uh as in paperwork for filings and this and that if I can't get introduced in court I'm questionable why it can't be introduced in a uh when I've got people lying against me uh because polygraphs are not reliable they are not how come how come law enforcement uses them at times to establish whether there probable cause or not because law enforcement uses them as an investigative and interrogation technique not as truth-telling because they don't do that all right we'll go back on the record same appearances as before I now have before me a motion that I be given lists of all my firearms and ammunition seized from me in a motion to reschedule the October 1 date of preliminary hearing I want to address the motion uh regarding the firearm lift at this time Mr Watts I'll give you an opportunity to argue your motion go ahead well since I'm going to be my parents are saying that evidently I took my own firearms and ammunition I want to be able to question them on that have AB know absolutely all the ammunition everything that was in there by the brands types and Brands and stuff and a list of all the firearm and everything I should been entitled that under Discovery I never was provided it response Miss Pierce um judge typically that all that information is part of the ks k um um I imagine that it is summarized or it is a part of that as well um I don't know whether he got copy full copies of this Discovery or not I'm not familiar with exactly what it is that defense Council provides to a self uh rep uh an individual who is representing themselves um so I don't know that he did or he didn't get copies of all of that but that information should be a part of that arrest document um but then again at the same time I do not have a problem whatsoever providing him with a list all right um yeah typically I would assume that the C's property is included in the list that's usually provided in Discovery so it sounds like the a list does exist um I don't know what what you've been provided uh Mr Watts I have not been provided that it's been absent everything that was seized from anywhere I have no record of anything I know other stuff was seized uh phones and different things probably a computer at the house down there and different things I don't have list of anything that was seized anywhere no list whatsoever all right um attorney watts is is that something that you could perhaps assist him in getting a copy of the list of seized firearms and ammunition your honor we've provided I provided to Mr Watts the copies of the discovery uh documents provided to me by the state with some redaction and frankly given that the victims here are his parents who obviously has intimate familiarity with uh not very many redactions that was provided some months ago um the charge here and I'm kind of the charge here is a burglary and robbery where the items that were taken were Firearms those items taken are listed by the alleged victims they're listed in the police report as uh a number of 679 10 TW look like 12 Firearms C's it doesn't specify particular Firearms or not I shouldn't say seized stolen um as to whether or not there is a list of firearms seized by law enforcement I can double check and see if I can see that um I'll see if there is such a list okay well we don't need to to go have everybody go through everything now but um to the extent that this list exists I would ask that Mr um if there were firearm C's and if there's a list of those that that be provided to defendant wats yeah there was seiz that at Leon when I had that Leon on me and in the truck and then there was also the Firearms out the house and they're accusing me of stealing my own firearms so I need list of those because there will be questioned on those and I also will contact try to go through arms list and get all the contact with people and my phones if if the lists exist from law enforcement then I'll I'll order that those be provided if in do if I don't have access to a list they shouldn't be allowed to say I stole it if I have no way to know what they're saying I stole I need to know the types of ammunition and how many rounds and stuff like that so I know where the purchase was made all right now we'll take up the motion to reschedule the October 1st preliminary hearing date um you've already made some comment to that regard Mr Watts but go ahead if you have anything additional you'd like to say I just I'm gonna have to have time to contact people and get all this stuff lined up and I've got to write I may have to write several letters the arms list and Net 10 phones and stuff like that to get try to locate information and I'll have to probably have some way to send money for copies so it's going to be fairly timec consuming I've also got my bank records that need to be dug out from my parents over the guardianship uh they're saying that I did tell her I needed those on that cell phone call that was real quick that I did get through uh to them but I haven't been able to check up on that or or talk to them anymore on their phone but anyway uh I need uh access to my bank records to show purchases and uh she don't know how long it'll take her to dig those out and I need those to evidence in court everything I can evidence in court I need to get question and evidence so they're what any perjury I've had perjury to happen and put me in prison up there at Chase County and it's not going to happen again I don't know why there isn't uh liability for perjury in all proceedings all right Miss Pierce State's response to continuance request judge um we have this is a 2022 case um the first appearance on this um came in on um 41822 so we are well past two years now in the interim or during that time there's been a competency evaluation there's been a couple of care and treatments those kinds of things so that has delayed the whole process as well um I I don't I understand the um the idea that you know he has things that he wishes to um have in his possession for his uh to to present his defense I think that the court and Mr uh defense Council Mr Watts just did talk about um being able to assist Mr uh defendant watts in obtaining uh some subpoenas and documents and stuff of that nature so I think that that can be done relatively shortly um I don't have any necessarily um concern the majority of the um Witnesses in this case for the most part um they are the defendants parents um we've not had a uh preliminary hearing and of any sort they are elderly um you always take a a chance of something of their age when we deal with people of their age of unfortunate things occurring um and I don't want to in balancing his um the definite Mr Watts need for an ability to accurately present his defense against this whole ideal of continuing to delay this um I would just suggest to the court that if the court is going to Grant the continuance that the court would do it and um make sure that we're not too awfully far out and that there is an order that um it not be continued again unless there's um um extreme circumstances and that um um any delay that is caused by this particular request for continuent um to be um against the defendant all right thank you and I know that we're not I know that we're not at a speedy trial situation and that we haven't had the preliminary hearing or that we haven't done an arraignment so I know that that doesn't necessarily apply however I want it documented that he is the one that asked for the defendant is the one that asked for the continuance all right thank you Miss Pierce um going back through the docket notes way back on September 20th of 2022 almost two years ago we were set for evidentiary preliminary hearing uh all the state's Witnesses appeared on that date defendant Watts refused to make himself available uh for the preliminary hearing so then it ended up having to be moved and then there were competency exams and and so forth this case needs to go to preliminary hearing um Mr Watts you've had two years to be getting all of this stuff together and I'm not going to continue a date that we've had set now for several months for preliminary hearing at this time if you wish to raise um another request to continue the hearing um when we come back on October 1st you're welcome to do that but I'm not going to reschedule it for now this case needs to um move forward we've had too many delays okay your honor you should know that before uh why I postponed it before I didn't have the evidence then I had requested evidence from attorney uh James R Watts as far as information from Armslist uh the phones uh the list of firearms ammunition and stuff I had requested stuff like that before and didn't get any response to it I should have an opportunity to try to destroy probable cause and proceeding the perjury will be liable okay you'll have that October the 1 what's that you'll have that opportunity October the 1 okay my parents are lying and I I'm uh need proceedings to get that under control all right well we'll we'll and I also I also need to get new glasses I need to have an eye exam I filed a motion that might not have gotten to the court yet but I need to get new glasses and eye test and new glasses for courts okay I I haven't seen seen that particular motion but we'll take it up in due course so all right Miss Pierce anything further no your honor Mr Watt anything further no sir well I just want to make sure that uh I'm going to go ahead and try to get letters off the arms list to Net 10 phones and start tracking down the the evidence there and uh I still want that polygraph taken I'll be using it for any and everything I can but uh I need to make sure that the step's in the process even if it don't is an in used at the plary hearing I still want it filings to obtain that you have that right so all right if there's nothing further we'll be in recess thank you everyone you can't fix stupid and thanks for hanging out with us unfactual frauds make sure you hit the Thumbs Up Button you're subscribed and ring that Bell also leave a comment in the comment 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