[Music] I found out that they created the all cap's name to turn you into a monster, a demon, not a child of so you're no longer seen as a child of God. It is to put you into their jurisdiction. Welcome to facts or frauds. >> All right. And so this is case number 2501947FY. People of the state of Michigan versus Robert Wayne Sigby. And council, you can place your appearance on the record. >> Good afternoon, your honor. Mitch Le Young for the people. >> And Mr. Sigby, you can state your name, please. Robert Swain Sig. >> All right. >> Executive beneficiary kind of formal. >> All right. And we are here today on a probable cause conference. We had a hearing on July 31st. At that point, Mr. Sigb had stated that he was going to be wanted to represent himself. We had a long conversation about that at that time and I did determine that uh Mr. Sigby would be permitted to represent himself and that attorney Hillicker would no longer be appointed on the case to represent Mr. 6B. And so then at that time uh Mr. 6B, you stated that there was some more discovery that you were looking for, body cams and some other things and so we adjourned to today's date and we find ourselves here today. So on that note, Mr. 6B, do you have all the discovery that you were looking for? >> I do not. I uh wanted to confer with the prosecutor and I had more paperwork to turn in and I worked tirelessly to get the paperwork in. Uh I got it in. there was no more overnight mailing. So, I uh got it in on Tuesday. I don't know if the prosecuting David Leton had received the the the uh add-on to the paperwork. I see uh this prosecutor here has zero paperwork in front of him. So, he didn't even get the first paperwork that I or all of it was sent in. I don't know. Mr. Prosecutor, did you receive any paperwork? I think they do everything per for they have a system called Carpel where they do everything digitally. So if he does have a digital file with your paperwork in it probably I believe attorney Young I I'm unaware of anything that was given to our office. Uh my understanding is that attorney Hillicker provided all the discovery that we gave to him to Mr. 6B and from there I have he has everything that we have at this time. Um we did provide him we did provide attorney Hillicker the body cam of officer Isaiah Borhees and that is all I have in regards to body warn camera at this time. >> Go ahead. >> Yeah I want to be respectful. >> Thank you. Yes. Um, so what I said in the last PCC, seeing as how we don't have uh a fifth amendment indictment here, we're going through this process. I feel it's very unconstitutional not to have an indictment. Uh, there was supposed to be body cameras from the other officers roughly between 9 and 12. I could hardly count how many police were there because of uh what has happened on the side of the road. It would exonerate me if I had different views of the behavior and the actions of the arresting officer uh in this civil infraction. >> All right. So, >> the fruits of poison street has been definitely happen. Your honor, if I may, u I'm obviously not an expert on the facts of this case as I'm just covering today, but my understanding is that the body cam of the arresting officer was provided being Isaiah Voris. >> If I may. >> Okay. Well, hold on. Let me let me ask a question. So, on that one body camera of the arresting officer, do you have that, Mr. Excuse me? >> I do. >> Okay. So, you have the one. It's just the other ones that you >> Right. >> Exactly. Because what uh the deputy did is he concealed his he put his body camera on the this side of me and blocked it. Why? He reached into my bag and into my pockets. I was cuffed and he reached the pocket. I looked down and seen him pull out my Native American herb and then he stuffed his bag in my pocket, but I thought he took it with everything else and threw it into the vehicle. So that right there would exonerate me that I did not bring nothing into the jails. He did. >> No malice nor Mr. Renfro. You don't have any standing to talk. So I'm going to let you stand there. But that is all I'm going to let you do. You can't say any words today. >> I am appearing next. >> You are not because that is not permitted by the Michigan court rules. So, you can stand there. Like I said, I'll let you do, but if you keep talking, I'm going to make you sit down. And then if you don't follow those rules, I'm going to have those nice gentlemen back there escort you out of the room. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, remember my rules, my court. It's just how it works. >> Objection. I'd like to have an objection. The definition of court here is the person in suit of the sovereign, the place where the sovereign soldier is with his regal retinue. This is my retinue. Black laws dictionary is cognizable by the Congress. All right. This is this is the 67th District Court. I'm the judge of the 67th District Court and that's all I'm going to say about that. Okay. So, whatever that objection is, it's old. Okay. Let's get back to the issue at hand, though. The issue at hand is that Mr. Sigby would like some additional body camera footage. Uh, Attorney Young, I know that you weren't here. You weren't here last time on this case, right? It was a different I think it was attorney, >> I think. >> I believe so, your honor. is either him or attorney. >> So, here is what I'm going to say today. What I'm going to order today is I am going I do I do think that it is relevant and I think that it is pertinent. If there are other if there are other body cameras available of officers that were there on scene, then I do believe those need to be turned over to Mr. Sigby because I do find them to be relevant and think that it's not unreasonable to want those things prior to the preliminary examination. So, I am going to order uh that those be turned over. I'm also going to state though that the the discovery is what the discovery is. And so sometimes there are situations where people think there is additional discovery that does not exist. So, if there is five body cameras, then there's five body cameras. And if that's what the prosecutor's office says that that's all they have, then that's that's all they have. So, we're going to order that all everything the prosecutor's office has needs to be turned over. If they're additional body camera, they need to get that and they need to turn that over. But, we're not going to continue to have a conversation over and over again about discovery that needs to be or that that discovery that that Mr. 6B you think might exist that doesn't exist. So when we come back next time, I'm going to expect the prosecutor's office turn over everything they have and um then we will move on to the preliminary examination phase because we got to start moving this this uh case along at some point. >> So Michigan, >> hold on one second. Attorney Young, how long do you think it will take your office to get that additional information for Mr. Six? Um, seeing that this is the Jese County Sheriff's Office, I should be able to get it relatively quickly. However, the videos would need to be reviewed prior to release. I'm I'm thinking two weeks would be more than enough time. I could probably do it if I'm lucky by the end of this week really to get them. Um, so I I'll leave it to the court and I'll I'll get it done. But I say either a week or two, >> Mr. 6. >> So the problem I have is a couple of them is uh one Michigan State Constitution says I get to confer with the prosecuting office. I'd like to do that. Okay. >> And then another thing is uh on a scene such as that one, you'd think every one of these cops would have, excuse me, police officers would have their body cameras running. So if he wants to look at him ahead of time and said there is none, no evidence, I'd say that was conspiracy against my rights at that time under United States Code 18 USC 41. >> But we're not even there yet. >> I get it. I get it. But okay, the the video I got there's a chunk in there where he says if he wasn't if this man would have been by himself, I would have and it went blank. You can see the lips moving, but you can't hear nothing. So the editing process is taking away exculpatory evidence. >> Those are things though. So >> if he threatened me with death, >> those are the things whatever happened. Those are the things that get brought up in front of the jury. You can bring them up in front of your preliminary examination as well, but they get brought up in front of the jury to show weight of evidence. if you're claiming there's evidence that's missing and things like that, um those things absolutely can be brought up. It's just that we're not going to prevent having a preliminary examination by saying that you think that there's evidence out there that they're saying that they don't have. Do you see what I'm saying? So once they say this is all we have, these are all the cameras, then we are going to have the preliminary examination. That's all I'm saying. So we're going to give you time to do that though and give you time to talk to prosecutor's office once you have that information. >> All right. So, having said that, let's pick a date for the next court date. I think Attorney Young, you're right. I think to get the information to Mr. 6 and then give Mr. 6B and prosecutor's office, everybody time to review everything and then give the parties time to talk if they want to. Uh, I think that setting this for one more probable cause conference, I will find good cause to do so. I do think that's a good idea. And I'm looking at September 4th. Does that sound like a good day to agree? >> Well, I'd like to get 21 days so I could send the prosecutor a proper uh notice of nonresponse. >> That is Oh, you got good math. >> You want I can give you a little We can put it on the 11th. >> I would like it on the 11th. Uh the reason being because I'm going to send a bill of particulars if if if this county does not recognize uh fifth amendment indictment, then they're going to have to have the bill of particulars because uh without that the substantive due process has been violated on space. There is no indictment on this felony charges and it is the fruit of the poisonous tree. So, I'm concerned that uh the Constitution of the United States is not being followed on its face by all parties. >> It's a point of order. >> So, >> point of order is a real What? I got to get it out of the law book again. >> I've looked at Mr. 6. I've looked at everything that you filed. In fact, not only have I looked at it, I've highlighted it and I've even made my own notes. >> I see you. So, please know that I do read everything that's put in front of me and I take it seriously. >> But a lot of what you filed is not >> relevant nor pertinent nor accurate law uh in any way. And a lot of it too, it's not filed properly in the in the sense of this. You have to file it as a motion. So, if you do have a motion, we'll hear your motion at the next court hearing. Okay? But it has to be filed as a motion. For example, some of these things like a judicial notice of adjudicative facts, notice and demand to cease and desist inland piracy. >> I'm not a I'm not an attorney. >> Hold on. Hold on. I'll let you say it when I'm when I'm done. It It's nonsense. It's nonsense and I'm not going to address it. Uh, notice of document filing things, affidavit of truth. One thing I did want to point out to you, you filed your birth certificate in this file. This is a public file, so people could go and get a copy of your birth certificate because it's right here in this paperwork. I would have not done that. I I'm not giving you legal advice in any way, but that just doesn't seem like that's a good idea. I just wanted to point that out to you cuz when I saw it, I thought that's not I also have this appearance of next friend and uh these things just they're just not >> they're Supreme Court. >> Hold on. Stop. I'm going to let you say those things in just a second. They're not permitted under the Michigan court rules. There's no statute uh that permits things like this to be filed. And frankly, there's there's not going to be I'm not going to spend a lot of time addressing them because they're not uh relevant to these hearings in any way. I just wanted to let you know that. >> I object on the record. We reserved on the record to direct the record. The supremacy clause of the United States does bind you to all of this. >> Article six, clause two. You're in breach of that clause for saying Michigan does not recognize these. These are you guys are foreign citizens. Title 28 22 United States Code foreign relationships and intercourse. Chapter 11 identifies all public officials as foreign agents. Federal rules, civil procedures, 4J states that all courts, jurisdictions, and immunities fall under foreign state. 22 CFR 92-13 foreign relationship state an oath is required to take office the 11th amendment foreign citizens cannot invoke the judicial powers of the state 28 USC 300258 defines the United States means a federal corporation Michigan is a franchise and so is this subdivision is a franchise of federal corporations corporations have no parody with the tangible and how versus Dolan's administration Covering actors are foreclosed from creating and attaining parody with the tangible. These are res judicata supreme laws of the land. Now I'd say that was treason on his face. The judge has just committed that. Well, >> accused >> I'm a living man. >> Stop that. I'm talking now. I've been accused committing treason before. Not committing treason. Everything you just said is nonsense and it is not applicable in this court. We're going to leave it at that. We have a court date now set for September 11th, 2025 at 11:00 a.m. That will be a probable cause conference. We will be hold on let me see where we'll be. We will be back here in Burton on that day. So we'll be here in Burton for probable cause conference. any motions that uh anyone wants to file, try to get filed by that time. Though I'm not doing motion cut off or anything of that nature, but uh it' be a good time for us to discuss those things. We're not going to discuss any of this again because I have addressed it and found it to be irrelevant to this criminal case today. And anything else from anybody? >> I do. Yes, your honor. just briefly. Um, as is our typical office policy with proper defendants, I will once I have the body cam for Mr. Sigby, I'll have it on a flash drive and I'll hand deliver it to him in court at the next court date. That seems to be the best way to give that discovery unless another idea. Can he pick it up at um like the clerk's office or something like that? >> I don't see why not. >> The problem is that we're gonna turn it out almost a month and I don't see why not to turn it again for him to review it. So, I don't like that idea. >> And I guess I just don't know how I would Well, I think Mr. Hillicker gave us his address. I just I don't know how I would be able to contact >> Mr. S. What's your What's your opinion on that? Well, yeah. I don't want no improper service here, you know. Uh, Michigan. >> How do you want it? How do you want to provide it to you? >> I will meet up with him at um conference. I'd like to have a conference with the prosecutor. >> Well, you're so Michigan State Constitution. Let me pull out paperwork. Just >> No. No. Stop. While we're talking about I'm not talking about conferences right now. I'm just talking about getting discovery to people. So, if the prosecutor's office, you know what? No, we'll do it this way. It's the only other thing uh we can do is I'm going to I'm going to move the PCC. We're going to have a PCC on August 28th, 2025 at 11:00 a.m. That will be to Exchange Discovery. Okay. So that way we can do it here in the courtroom. There won't be any questions about it. I don't want to put any staff member in a precarious position being due to things, but not delivering things or something along those lines. I don't want to put anybody in that position. So we'll just come back here on August 28th, 2025, 11:00 a.m. We'll have a very brief probable cause conference and that will only be the exchange discovery. there are any other issues in regards to discovery, we can talk about them, too. And then we'll also have another PCC on year 11. That will give you opportunity. >> That answers my next question. That did answer my next question. >> Okay. >> Okay. Cuz I just want opportunity and I do object to the prosecutor using the pros. I'm not pro. I'm su jurist. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> However you want to say representing yourself, sue jurist prosay. >> Myself truth. I'm not a civil debt >> presenting myself. All those things, they all mean the same thing. Okay, thank you everybody. >> Okay, thanks. >> You can't fix stupid. >> And thanks for hanging out with us on Facts or Frauds. Make sure you hit the thumbs up button, you're subscribed, and ring that bell. Also, leave a comment in the comment section. Tell me what you think. Fact, fact. Actually, I wish you could see the studio floor right now. There's nowhere more fascinating after a show. Everyone's so busy. like like the bees or white Anglo-Saxon Protestants. >> And a huge thank you to all of our Facts or Frauds channel members. [Music] If you'd like to become a member, click on the link in the description or click join right next to subscribe. There's electricians all rolling up their cables. Whoops. Sorry, guys. 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