[Applause] [Music] and welcome to facts or frauds. [Music] This is the city of Detroit, Mr. Barry versus Destiny Graves, case number SP16. Strike that. SP1069059 counts one and counts two. SP17247881, SP1724805 counts 1, two, and three. And SP728361 Jun on behalf of the defendant state your full name, Miss Graves. Oh, good morning. I am Destiny Raven Graves. That's capital B lowerase E S T I N E Y. Um, hyphen capital R lowerase A I V Y N colon capital G lowerase R A V S. I am appearing specially and not generally. I am here in good faith and under the pro under the protest solely to address the matters raised in my plea abatement. I am not here to delay the process but to ensure proper identification and lawful jurisdiction are established in the record before any further proceedings. >> All right. Good morning to you ma'am. Today is the date and time set for arraignment on the bench warrant. Would you like council to represent you or no? >> I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? >> I said today is the date and time set for arraignment on the bench warrant. Would you like council to represent you or not? >> Um, I'm actually um I actually am not open to proceeding until um we establish jurisdiction over the living woman. That's lower case E S T I N E Y hyphen capital R lowerase A I V Y N colon capital G lowerase R A V E S. >> Okay. Jurisdiction has been established if you are um Destiny Graves. If you're Destiny Graves, if that's your name, then um unless you have some other um u the court rule and you you cite a court rule, the court is going to feel the jurisdiction is been established. >> I understand your honor, but respectfully, the name in all caps represents a corporate legal fiction. I am here as a living woman, not as a shy or a fictional entity. I respectfully require the court to establish for the record how to obtain lawful personal jurisdiction over me, the living woman, separate from that entity. >> Well, I'm going to enter a not guilty on your behalf. I'm going to give you a Z bond. I can either get you into the breakout room with this with the city with the with an attorney and uh he can uh help you proceed or you can proceed and speak to the city city attorney yourself to see if you can work this matter out or I can set a jury trial date and the matter should be resolved on the jury trial date. Which one would you like to do, ma'am? >> Um I are Are you asking me if I would like to proceed for trial? Yes. >> Um I would respectfully your honor I would like to reserve all my rights under the UCC 1-308 and I object to these proceedings under protest and jurist. My appearance is special and not general. I do not consent to the court assuming jurisdiction through presumption. If this court insists on moving forward without proving lawful authority over the living woman, I must note a violation due of due process for the record. >> Okay. So, I mean, if if if you can't give me an answer to my question, then um I'm going to put you back in the waiting room until you can figure it out and we'll move on to the next person. >> What is your question, your honor? I ask you, do you want to see if the attorney can get you an offer and speak with the attorney, or would you like to work out an offer with the city yourself to resolve the matter, or would you like me to set a jury trial date? Those are your three options. >> Um, >> you keep on saying that same stuff is not going to change what your three options are. Okay, so that's that. I don't need to hear that same recitation of what you just mentioned a minute ago. Now, what do you want to do? >> So, my Okay, I'm sorry. Respectfully, I do want to know um is this denying the abatement, plea? >> Say that again. >> Is this denying my abatement plea? >> I'm not I'm not getting into this, ma'am. I'm going to pass the matter. She says she want to [Music] >> Destiny, are you there? >> Your is your device working now? >> Good morning, your honor. >> Good morning. What is your full name, ma'am? >> I'm sorry. >> What is your full name? >> Um, I am Destiny Graves. That's capital D lowerase E S T I N E Y Hold on. >> Um, I'm sorry. >> Well, give me a minute. >> That's capital D. E, capital D, lower case. >> Uh, yes, you can. >> All right. Hold on. >> Hello. >> Hold on a second. This is City of Detroit versus Destiny Raven Graves. Case number SP1069059 pumps two SP1 uh 724805 pumps 12 and 3 SP 17248 361 state name for the record please ma'am. Um, for the record, I am capital D lowerase E S T I N E Y-ash capital R lowerase A I V Y N colon capital G lower case R A V S and I am appearing specially not generally. I am here in good faith to address the matter of jurisdiction before any other proceedings. >> All right. All right. Today is the date and time set for show cause. You missed your last court appearance. No, I apparent you um you uh what was it? Not just passed the matter. >> Yeah, but you left then. You left without without waiting on me to recall your case. >> Oh, cuz I had spoke with your um secretary. >> You don't you don't speak with anybody but me. I give you the authority to leave or not. Yeah, I was I wasn't aware what to do, what my next steps were to do. So, I did email the I mean send a letter to the clerk so that I can figure out what my next steps were cuz I was confused on what path the matter was and I didn't want to >> you need to hire yourself a lawyer um ma'am or if you don't know the procedure or or learn the rules of uh the court rules. >> Understood, your honor. >> All right. So, what do you want to do? Do you want an offer or you want a trial date? >> I'm sorry. >> Do you want an offer on these matters or do you want a trial date? >> Um, honestly, honor, I I would like to establish um proper jurisdiction before moving on. >> All right. Juris jurisdiction and the court size is established. You got noticed. Um, right. >> Noticed in what way? >> You got notified by the court that you had to be here, right? >> Was I notified by the court? >> I You got a ticket, ma'am. So, let let's just let's just I don't have >> I I did have a ticket, but I did not um sign any o I did not sign over my rights or anything. So, I did You haven't given up any You haven't given up any of your rights. Now, do you want to speak to a lawyer or not? >> No. Y >> All right. So, either you have two options now. I can let you speak to the city attorney yourself. You have three options. You can plead as charged to all the matters. You have I can let you speak to the city attorney yourself and you can try to work out a deal for yourself. Or I'm going to set a jury trial date. Which one of the three options do you want? >> Um, you said I can take a plea, speak to an attorney, or set a jury trial date. >> You can take a plea as you can plead as charged. You can speak with an attorney if you just said you didn't want to speak to the attorney, but you can speak to the attorney. That gives you four options. You can plead as charged. You can uh speak to an attorney. You can speak to the city attorney yourself and try to work out the matter yourself with the city attorney. Or you can set it for a jury trial. I'm not even going to set it for a bench trial. Just set it for a jury trial. Which one do you want? >> All right. I'm going to pass it unless you I just want to I want to write it down. Give me I'm trying to figure it out. >> All right, I'll pass it until you figure it out. >> Okay, >> raise your hand in the chat once you figure it out. >> Let's pass the matter record with Miss Raven Gibson. Let's backtrack that. Miss Destiny Ra Raven Raven Gibson. Uh Mr. Gibson, I'm giving you an opportunity to make your make your mind up what you wanted to do. What What would you like? Thank you, your honor. It's not Gibson. Um, >> no. Graves. Grace, I'm sorry. Destiny Graves, I'm sorry. All right. Go ahead, ma'am. What do you want to do? >> I'm sorry. >> What do you want to do? >> Okay. I I just want to say thank you for allowing me a moment to gather my thoughts. Um, I am Destiny Graves. Destiny Raven Graves. as capital D lowerase E S T I N E Y dash capital R lowerase A I V Y N colon capital G lowerase R A V S I am appearing specially not generally I do not wave any of my rights I am here to set a pre-trial date under protest and to preserve um my challenge to jurisdiction and proper identification I respectfully ask that my objections remain on the record and that my parents today not be interpreted as a waiver of those rights. I am ready to proceed with pre-trial while maintaining these protections. Thank you, your honor. >> All right. So, I gave you four options. Which other options did you want to take? That's what I gave you time to figure out. You said all that other stuff that your your objection is noted on the record. So, you said all that other stuff, >> right? I said that I >> I said that I um I I will do a pre-trial. I will set a pre-trial date. >> Oh, the day is the date and time set for pre-trial. No, well, no, no. You're going to either set it for trial. You're either going to one I'm giving you here. Here are the options to we're going to treat today like a pre-trial date. On a pre-trial date, that's the date where you go and speak with the city attorney and try to work out a deal. Obviously, it's obvious that you are not interested in working on a deal cuz you probably just want us all the cases dismissed cuz you feel that you have the legal authority to drive or and ride on a cell phone and move around the city with you, you don't you don't feel these allegations apply to you. So, >> no, it's not that I feel that they don't apply to >> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Either you're going to get a deal with the city attorney today. They're going to do this one more time. You're going to get a deal with the city attorney today. You're going to speak to an attorney in the breakout room so they can secure a deal for you. You're going to set a jury trial or you're going to plead guilty to everything. Those are your four options. Which one do you want? Yeah. Unfortunately, I do not consent to move forward without showing proper without proper jurisdiction over my living person. >> All right. Give me a jury trial date, >> please. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm going to set a jury trial date now. And you're going to be in person. You're going to have to come in person for this next court hearing. >> And what what date would this be at? as can I also say that um well I also would like to add that I would like for my rights to be preserved under the protest. >> Your rights are going to be preserved. You haven't taken a plea at all today or not? >> Okay. >> Excuse me, your honor. Are you going to appoint standby counsel for a jury trial? >> I don't think that is even necessary. I don't know. Do you want me to appoint you to this, Mr. Zoro? >> No, thank you. I'm not I don't do the assigned jury trials. >> Oh, I I got to go through the MD IC anyway. >> September the 16th. >> September the 16th. September the 16th is going to be the jury trial date. That's going to be in person on September the 16th. Okay. >> September 16th. In person, what time? >> At um we'll just say 8:30. Then I'm going to set two other dates. I'm going to set a um I'm going to set a motion >> motion. I don't think that's necessary, >> but I'll set it anyway. >> Motion hearing date. >> Oh, no. I'll just set a final pre-trial date. final pre-trial date will be the day before on September the 15th. So, >> okay, you said it again. Uh trial >> I'm going to give it to you all. I'm going to give it to you all and and and so final pre-trial date. Write this down, ma'am. Final pre-trial date is going to be September 15th. You do not have to appear in person. You can come online then. But I do want all parties to appear. Miss Schneider, are you there? >> Alexa Schneider for the people. P322, I'm here. Is this Destiny Graves? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, make sure if you if your officers choose to if they don't, we'll dismiss the case on the final pre-trial date. Miss Graves. Uh, all parties are going to appear on final pre-trial date. Um, if and and then we'll set a jury trial on September the 16th, 2025. Do I need to appoint Do you want me to appoint an attorney to you to stand by and assist you on this, ma'am? >> Um, sure, but I don't think it's needed. But we can um proceed with that if you like. Do you have a you have a number that you could be contacted at? >> Um, yes. >> What's the number? >> 313. >> All right. I'll try to see if we can get it appointed attorney. Um, but we'll we'll just set a pre-trial pre-trial on. So, come back on the court date. >> 28th. >> Add We're going to add another court date the 28th of August. come back on the 28th of August, answer the calls you don't recognize. Hopefully, one of those calls should be that appointed attorney and um and that date is set just to make sure that you've had contact with that attorney. Okay. >> Okay. So, I just want to uh confirm real fast. September >> September 16th, the jury trial date for 8:30 in person and then the final pre-trial September September 15th on Zoom. What time would that be? >> At 8:30. >> Okay. >> And then another pre-trial date for the purposes of making sure that attorney has contacted you. I need you to answer the calls you don't recognize. One of those calls should be that appointed attorney. If that appointed attorney does not contact you by that date, then we will try to get one appointed to you on the spot on that date. Okay. on sep on that would be on August the 28th. So you have August the 28th, September the 15th, and September the 16th. >> Is it the same time? >> 8:30. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Fro have a very good day. Best of luck to you. >> You too. >> And so there you have it. >> Yep. It all worked out in the end, you think. >> And thanks for hanging out with us on Back to Frauds. Make sure you hit the thumbs up button, you're subscribed, and ring that bell. Also, leave a comment in the comment section. Tell me what you think. And a huge thank you to all of our Facts or Frauds channel members. [Music] And if you're still hanging out, thank you. I appreciate you all. Make sure you hit the thumbs up button, subscribe, and ring that bell. Also, leave a comment in the comment section telling me what you think. Till next time, I'll see you soon.