Currently walking into the store is a woman named Jennifer Sebert. Hours ago, her co-orker Jolene Cummings disappeared with her family scrambling to find traces of her. A disappearance that these very cameras are about to solve. Because Jennifer would be recorded disposing of Jolene's remains in this white trash bag. And as police begin talking to her, >> we've got the video of you. I think Jolene's dead and I think you know where Jolene is. >> They will realize Jennifer Sebert isn't Jennifer at all. For over 20 years, this woman has lived under 19 different aliases, fled 14 states and 33 cities, all while being wanted by the FBI, leaving victim after victim in her path. Now, detectives have two simple questions. Who is this woman? And how many people has she killed? >> I've been living under this particular alias since 1999. I've been running from the FBI for over 25 years. Pull my name up. >> Midday on May 13th, 2018, the mother of 33-year-old hair stylist Jolene Cummings called Nassau County Sheriff's Department to file a missing person's report. It was not only Mother's Day, but Jolene's birthday. And Jolene had been scheduled to spend the day with her two sons, as well as her mom for a big celebration. But the morning came and went. The texts and calls everyone made to Jolene went unanswered. The last person to have seen Jolene, her coworker Jennifer Sbert, said nothing was out of the ordinary when they parted way shortly after closing on the night of the 12th. By noon on the 13th, Jolene's mom knew something was deeply, [music] deeply wrong. Those fears were confirmed when 2 days after Jolene was last seen, her car was discovered abandoned in the back of a Home Depot parking lot near her job at Tangles Hair Salon. When police reviewed the footage, they expected to see Jolene stepping out of the car. Instead, [music] they saw her coworker, Jennifer Seabert. A further review of footage painted a horrific picture. An hour after closing time on the day Jolene went missing, Jennifer was spotted buying an electric carving knife and cleaning supplies at a local Walmart, which is frankly never a good thing to be buying together, especially not when you consider what Jennifer was caught on camera doing next. She then returned to Tangles, [music] where she was captured on camera disposing of several trash bags in the dumpster behind the business. After several hours, she got into Jolene's car and drove it to the Home Depot, where she then abandoned it. Every action caught on camera told police a story they couldn't ignore. That Jennifer had killed and disposed of her coworker and then abandoned her car to make it look like she wasn't involved. Immediately, police launched an investigation to locate Jennifer and have her arrested on charges of Grand Theft Auto, hoping that the arrest would lead them to information on Jolene's disappearance. [music] Instead, the investigation opened a can of worms that they still haven't closed. After Jennifer Sibert was arrested at a truck stop, she told them nonchalantly that her fingerprints would come back under a different name because her real name was Kimberly Kesler and she had been on the run from the FBI for 25 years. >> My name's Wayne. This is Charlie. >> Hey, we want to talk to you for a few minutes. What name [snorts] do you want me to to call you? Because I was talking to a detective that drove you up and he said I might have been calling you about it wrong. >> It's funny that St. John's going to tell you when you run my fingerprints through. They come up as Kimberly Lee Kesler. Um I was born in May of 1968, May 9th. I am 50 years old. I've been running from the FBI for over 25 years. I've been living under this particular alias since 1999. So, not quite 1999. This is a Yeah, about 19 years. Um, and that's about it. So, I would prefer to be called Kim. >> But, >> okay. I just want to make sure that I'm calling you uh by your right. >> But if you run them through, I mean, the last time I got picked up was back in 1999 and I bonded out and it took him I don't remember. It was a couple weeks. So, I don't know if it was 2 and 1/2 weeks or 3 and 1/2 weeks before they actually, >> you know, mashed them up. Mashed them up. >> Yeah. It didn't like But that was 1999, so maybe it was a little bit slower then. >> But I don't know. There's like lots of people on the face of the planet, so maybe it still takes time. I'm not sure. >> And and it may be too that you since you've had this alias for for so long, you know, it probably you probably done a lot of stuff since that time and so you've actually kind of got a you know, you've got a history under that name. So it probably shows up in different databases and stuff like that. That's just a guess and maybe maybe that's why it's happening. >> I don't know. Fingerprints are fingerprints. >> Fingerprints are and I agree with but I have >> I didn't erase them with acid. So they are the same and I agree with you but I haven't I haven't run your fingerprints and if St. John's did they they failed to to notify us that you know uh of the different name. Perhaps perhaps they just thought I was a you know I'm not chopordinate but it it will eventually come up. So >> okay >> Kimberly here is really proud that she's been living a complete lie for nearly three decades. But how can someone even pull that off? Well in the '9s it was a lot easier. If you're Kimberly Kesler way back in 1993, for example, you bring your boyfriend to the local cemetery under the guise of visiting your father's grave. Then instead you scope out the gravestones of girls who were born around the same year as you. And that is precisely how Kimberly Kesler landed on the identity of Jennifer Sbert by stealing her details off of this gravestone and then pretending to be her off and on for the better part of 25 years. But there were 18 other names that Kim used all taken from various graves across the country and all used to do unthinkable things. >> Does your family know you or you or you don't want your family? >> I haven't. No, that's fine. I haven't talked to them in a while. Um I have cousins and all that. All my people are >> Do you not want Do you not want to spend time with them anymore or just >> Um yeah, I'd like to. I'm I'm ready to go back to being myself. I spent you know about 25 years running from the FBI and thought I could build like a life for myself and I've done nothing. I've been living I mean I've been trying. I've been living in my car for the last over two years. I'm not getting it's not getting any better. I I would I would like I would like to know, you know, and I'm not the FBI. I'm not a federal law enforcement agent or anything like that, but you know, I kind of like to hear the background of of why, you know, for the last 25 years. >> Pull it all up. Pull it up on the computer. Pull my name up. Pull it up. Kimberly Kesler. >> She'll be able to pull that up. >> What I'll do if you'll if if you'll give me a minute, >> I I'll step outside. My crimes is actually here. and I'll give her that information and let her and let her uh work on that. >> Yeah. Kimberly Lee Kesler. Kind of a silly middle name, isn't it? It's like my mom stuttered. I'm just saying. I never really cared for it. >> What's >> her name? Actually, she has two birth certificates, but only one social security card. And her her father named constantly hate it. >> So, do you plan on going back and reuniting with your family or you haven't decided or what? >> Yeah, I think so. I am 50 years old. I am 50 and I just guess what? >> It doesn't matter. Looks are deceiving. Obviously, some people look dumb. Some people whatever. It doesn't even matter. >> You have children? >> I do. I have a son. He is in North Carolina with his father. Um, that's what got me going running again. In 1999, Child Protective Services snatched him while I was at work from the babysitter and that really sent me over the edge. So, um, thankfully his father got him. I he told me that the judge told him or the the judge said to CPS, "Why won't you give this man his son?" Like, "Why are you fighting against him?" And the judge made him get our son. And so, thankfully, my son is 20 years old now. I haven't seen him since he was 14 months old. I'm very grateful that his father got to raise him. I did not want him in foster care. Scared me to death. I couldn't even understand why they were why they took him. So, that sent me on my last 19-year run. >> I can completely understand why they took her son. On August 3rd, 1999, Kimberly Kesler was spotted by her neighbor in Virginia Beach digging a hole in her yard in the blistering sun. At the time, Kimberly was going by the name Christina Brooke. And whether you call her Christina or Kimberly, it was clear something wasn't right. Because that day, Kimberly held her 15-month-old son, Evan, in her arms and told her neighbor that she was digging a grave. Authorities were called and swiftly took Evan out of Kimberly's custody to safely assess her, but they didn't get a chance to do that. Before their scheduled meeting, Kimberly stormed into the office with a gun and demanded to see her son. She was arrested and taken into custody, where police discovered she had a kidnapping kit in her purse, duct tape, zip ties, and a taser, which really makes you wonder how many times had Kimberly jumped off the deep end like this and packed those same exact items to use. As a result of the attack, Kimberly's ex-boyfriend, the father of her son, was given full custody of their son. And from there, Kimberly's identities continued to evolve, and so did her crimes. If you want to see more twisted cases like this one, be sure to like and subscribe. It's literally all we do here. Well, it sounds like even though, you know, the the trials and tribulations you you've been going through, at least the uh at least hasn't been >> I try to keep a good sense of humor and I try to be, you know, I mean, I try I'm not trying to be disrespectful or rude or or uh flippant. So, I'm not trying to be flippant. I'm just trying to keep it kind of real and light, but not I'm not trying to be flippant or sarcastic or anything, >> you know? But I am trying to keep it light because I mean it just helps them. It's laugh or cry, man. Laugh or cry. So, I'm I'm going to choose laugh. >> [laughter] >> So, what do you So, so what do you what do you hope now as far as I mean you I mean >> I am very grateful my son is alive and well. I was scared his whole life. I've been praying for that boy forever. I'm like >> Is he a good dad? How loud is your son? >> He's 20. His his dad he's alive. So, I'm grateful. And I'm not trying to God bless him. The last words I spoke to his dad, I gave him that Volkswagen bug. He was talking about I can't remember he was talking about that one of the last times I talked to him and he said he sold they got the money and I'm like did you get Evan? He said no. I said what he I said did you get Evan? And he said no. I said I gave you the Volkswagen to get Evan. I said you better get Evan. So help me God I'll kill you. And he got Evan. And then I never really talked to him again. He had Evan and he raised him and Kevin's 20 years old now. I'm like thank you Lord. Thank you Lord. But Tim has I think Tim's hooked on >> What's Tim do? He works on Volkswagen Bugs. >> So that's how I met him. So um but yeah, he he did get Evan, you know, and I had never talked to him that way before, so maybe it shocked him. >> But [laughter] yeah, you know, it takes it takes a lot of, you know, and what really interests me is you I mean, you you fascinate me. I'm glad to tell you cuz this is like, you know, I'm like >> I'm love him. I'm I'm I'm very grateful he's alive and well. I was so scared his whole life. You have no idea. His dad has his problems and I'm not going to like say anything bad. I'm going to try not to say anything bad about him because I'm very grateful that he went and he got him. I'm very grateful. And he and he held on to him and raised him. You know what I mean? So that for those alone, I'm just grateful. I am so grateful. My son is alive and well. You don't have any idea. I I'm so scared. His dad, no one's perfect, right? So I don't know. We all have our what if there's some stories. I could probably tell, but he told me that with his sister-in-law that I couldn't believe. And then I saw it on the news later. Whoa, whoa, curl some hair. I might hold that back for the FBI. Unbelievable. Cuz after I saw it years later, cuz I don't have a TV and I see it on the internet or whatever and I'm like, I remember him telling me about that. They really did that. Oh my god. Do you ever hear that? >> Well, you may have some stuff that you can help out with that that could help you with the situation you're in. I don't >> I don't know. But I'm grateful my son's alive and well. I'm so grateful. So grateful. and and his dad, one of the things his dad did whenever >> Evan was like 3 months old, and I don't even know why. I think he was on drugs, he always said he wasn't, but he acted so wild. And >> your son's name is Evan, right? >> Yes. Evan. And his dad's name is Tim. Tim Tim Evan's name is Evan. And I was going by Christina Burke at the time. >> But but here's the here's the thing. A lot Evan's alive and well. He didn't kill him. Do you plan on do you plan on trying to reconcile with that? >> That's my baby. That's my son. That's my only son. >> He was a baby. I don't know. I mean, >> I have pictures on the iPhone of him. Um, a couple of them that I found on the internet. So, but yeah, I haven't seen him since he was a baby. >> Kimberly's husband would later tell police that he was beyond thankful that their son Evan was too young to really remember his mother. He remembered Kimberly or Christina as he knew her as a violent, angry, pathological liar. At the time, he was told that Christina wasn't her real name, but he was under the impression that she had changed her name to hide from her family, who she claimed abused her. Spoiler alert, they didn't, but Kimberly sure did. >> And I was under the name Christina Brooke at the time. Yeah, the names go on, don't they? >> And um yeah, 25 years I mentioned I've been running from the FBI. They'll have a list of everything. Everything. So, um, >> how long you been cutting hair? >> I have been cutting hair, um, since I was a kid, but I actually got into the like professional with a license like four years ago. >> I guess that works well if you're moving moving around a lot. I guess it's >> you can wait tables or whatever. I have driven tractor and trailer, which I did in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Um, did I mention one in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Arizona? >> Similar. >> I also had a real estate license in Arizona. It goes on and on. I didn't really sell anything though. Here's the thing. It's just I guess it requires like I just thought that Okay, so my grandparents on my father's side of the family made a lot of money. Lot of money >> in real estate or >> No, [laughter] no. Um actually estate sales, >> lots and lots and lots of money. Like unbelievable amounts. So I just thought to myself, I'm going to make money. Well, no. It requires like a special blessing from God. It also requires help. What I noticed in the last 25 years of being on my own, I especially after my son was taken, I didn't let anybody get really too close to me. I did get into abusive relationships. That was foolish. And then I really kept everybody at arms length, but never really let too many people get close to me. It is virtually impossible to take care of oneself by yourself. >> You can't do it. >> It's It's funny because >> you got to have somebody. You got to have a wife or you got to have people. You can't do it by yourself. So, >> it's amazing though that you've, you know, for 25, I mean, it's amazing to me that, you know, because you you always hear about people going, >> "Oh my gosh, you know, I just want to start over. I just want to, you know, I just want to be somebody else. I just want a whole new identity." But then if you ever really look into it, I mean, it's it's complicated. It's complicated. >> It's very complicated. It's very complicated. So, um, >> over the course of 25 years, Kimberly went by 18 different names and lived in over 33 cities, ranging from Fairbanks, Alaska to Minnesota to Kansas, all the way down to the tip of Florida. With all of those names and all of the known locations, police have a web of unsolved murders and missing persons. And now, a new question. How many of those were caused by Kimberly Kesler? >> That's one of my uh first relationships in Arizona. He was actually he robbed banks and [laughter] I met him I was working I was working as a um topless dancer and that was before my truck driving debut. So [laughter] I did that just for a little while just um I love to dance and I just it I don't know I I was young and you know it it didn't bother me but then it bothered me. I'm like, "What am I, you know, it like starts to wear on you, like you start to feel like dirty and I'm like, man, I can't do this anymore." But um so I met him at a at a topless bar in Phoenix. And um just started going out with him and whatever and and um he was with me whenever he called somebody and they said, "The FBI is looking for you." And he's like, "Oh my god." And then he tells me everything. "Oh, I've robbed these banks." And I'm like, "You what?" Like here's me. Where's the money? So, >> he had no money and I hid him in my apartment and that was like kind of almost the beginning. >> Are you going to write a book one day? >> I don't even know if anyone believe the FBI has a record so you know it's true. Okay, look it up. It sounds like a bunch of crap. Look it up. They have a record. It's true. >> Interesting story. That's >> But he had a where I was going with that. He had a Baja bug. [laughter] So >> Wow. So was that and you said that was when it all first started. Is that when you kind of first went on the road? >> No, I had two IDs at the time. I had myself and then my other ID. And um that's Yeah, I kind of started I got my real estate license and then that's when it started cuz I used my other ID and I got printed >> and I had been printed once before. What was I printed once before for? I don't know. Pull it up. It's kind of like just pull it up. Okay. >> You've done pretty good around for >> 25 years. Thank you. It's tiring, man. It's got It's got to be tiring though. Are you okay if I ask if if I ask my crime analyst to to run the name? Cuz I'm not Now you got you got to make it up. She make it up. Again, >> you're not judging me, right? You're not >> Do it, please. You'll see my mug. I'll look a lot younger then. >> Okay. >> And then thinner, too. I won't be 200 lb. I'll be [ __ ] 20. >> You're a creature. She's acquired. You can fit in your pants and zippers. Not me. [laughter] >> What's You mean give me the full name? >> Kimberly. >> Kimberly. >> Mhm. >> Stupid middle name. Lee. >> Lee. >> Oh god. Kesler. >> Yes. That's >> just like the cheap whiskey that no one drinks. >> Police leave the room to check with their crime analyst to see if they've uncovered any information about Kimberly Kesler's apparent number one most wanted designation on the FBI's list. And when they return, they have questions because whatever crimes Kim has committed, they aren't in her files, which only complicates things and deepens their dread. >> Wow, Kim. >> I didn't lie. >> Well, she's still working on stuff, but she found this right away. Is that you? >> Yeah, it's me. Lightning back. Stop taking back squinting my eyes. You know what? She wanted me to open my eyes there in Tennessee because they wanted to scan them and I wouldn't open them. See how squinty my eyes are? The woman kept saying this one. >> Open your eyes. No, this one. Open your eyes. >> I was going to say your eyes look. >> Open your eyes. >> Is that a driver's license? >> Yeah. Open your eyes. I wouldn't do it. I'm like split until she finally gave in and took the picture cuz I didn't want my eyes scanned. >> It's not um >> That's me with short hair. >> It's not saying that you're wanted though. It's just saying that you're a missing person. Why would you be wanted? >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have aliases. I have IDs. I was Christina Brooke whenever I had my son. >> What name you wanted though? >> I am Kimberly Castler. That's >> No, no, no. But you said you're wanted. You've been running for FBI a lot. What do you [sighs and gasps] >> So whenever they snatched my son, I um went out and bought a gun. >> Okay. >> And whenever I went to visit my son, I planned on taking him. >> Uhhuh. >> Um I never made it to see him that he wasn't there anyways. and I got arrested for having a gun. >> What state was that in? >> Virginia. And that's when another time whenever the the run began. But I also was running. Let's see. So in Arizona, I used the ID Melissa Mccernin. Pull it up. It should come up. Melissa Mccernin um and went for the real estate license. And there you get fingerprinted. Well, I was fingerprinted once before as Kimberly Kesler for trouble I've gotten into prior. So whenever it ran through, you know, they were like, I got in trouble. They were looking for me. Then they're like, uh, we show you these fingerprints come up as Kimberly Ka, but you say you're Melissa Mccern. And I'm like, ah. So, so it started, it just goes on and on. Now, they that's probably my mother saying I'm a missing person. I'm not missing. I'm just >> Yeah, that's the one thing, you know. Well, like I said, she's she's still looking, but but immediately whenever she puts your real name in, this is what this is what this is the first thing that popped up. And I looked at and I said, I can see the smile and I can kind of see it in the in the in the nose, especially in the black and white picture cuz it's a little bit clearer than the than the one on the right. >> Kimberly disappeared in 2004, completely cutting contact with her mother and siblings. Her siblings, frankly, weren't sad to see her go. On one occasion in her teen years, Kimberly attacked her brother with a baseball bat while he was sleeping. So clearly, the violent insane tendencies go way, way back. In fact, it took her mother 10 years to report her missing. It wasn't until 2014 that her mom filed a missing person's report, wanting to know if her daughter was living or dead. And out there, police assumed there were other families wondering that same thing about their loved ones. Missing loved ones who had had the misfortune of crossing paths with Kimberly Kesler. >> But like I said, I don't see where as far as um uh them saying you're wanted anywhere. I mean, she could she could run it on farther out. >> I am. someone wanted in Arizona for I guess just fraud because I Pam Kim Kesler and >> just because of >> I got fingerprint and I did get the license. They issued it to me and then later they came back with fingerprints. It t it took longer to run it through in like the early 90s. It took like months. So maybe even longer than that. And then they came back and they're like the FBI. Actually, I don't know how I got the message, but I called him and he was like, "I'm blah blah blah FBI." And I'm like, and he's like, "Um, are you Melissa McCra?" I'm like, "Yes." And he's like, "Well, I also show you as Kimberly Kesler." And I'm like, >> he's like, "What did you do?" And I couldn't remember. All I could say, I think all I said was like, "I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry. Sorry." And I hung up on him. >> And then I had my boyfriend take me to the airport and I flew back to Virginia. >> Wow. >> What was the charge in Virginia? Do they have a carrying? Was it just >> probably for the weapon thing and then they're still trying to do something with it. They were trying >> to have a weapon in Virginia or just >> I think probably whenever you're going to I planned on taking my son back. That's what I do. >> You bonded out or did you kind of >> I bonded out so I never went back for so you probably too. >> You may you may have failure to appear then >> that as well. But um I was I'm just very grateful that my son went with a family member with his father because I was terrified of what they were going to do to him. I'm like what why do you want my son there? It made no sense. Believe I mean you may not believe me on that whatever but I'm tell me as a mother I went and I'm like take my son when we first started talking I'm like she's but there's some there's some you know >> and that I can't believe it. Come on you can't pull me up. Do you need No, no, no, no, no. They're they're they're working on that. >> It shouldn't take that long. It's a computer. It's 2018. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Well, >> it's not We I actually had to call our crown analyst back in. She was probably like, "It's Friday night." >> Oh, is it? Okay. >> Yeah. So, uh she's probably not happy with me right now. Sorry. >> It's not fair. It's >> she'll get paid over time. >> St. John's ignored it. I'm like, "Okay." Whenever I went before whoever, I told him my name is I've been running from the FBI for over I think I said with him only 20 years, but it's longer than that. >> Was that the judge or one of the detectives down there? >> I don't know. Wherever they take you in before somebody. So I was with all these other people. We stood I guess before a judge. I mean, but I said, "My name is Kimberly Lee Kesler. My birth date. I've been running from the FBI for >> I appreciate you being honest." >> Told him. I think he just laughed at me. So here's the deal. Well, in 2015 after I got my cosmetology license in 2014, I rode I didn't have a car yet. I just had my motorcycle up to North Carolina. I rode my motorcycle. >> Yeah. >> Hold on. I'll answer maybe 20 more questions. [laughter] Let me tell my little story that is boring you. Sorry. So, um I went up there and and I planned on seeing him. I wanted to see him. I wanted to somehow like get a job in a barber shop or Great Cliffs nearby and you know maybe somehow get involved in his life. But I ended up that's when I broke my leg and then I ended up having to go up to, you know, uh, Minnesota because they have free health insurance. And then I came back to Florida because I couldn't afford like I tried North Carolina again, but their the state income tax is too much. And I had a car at the time to live in, but [laughter] it just it's just too hard. It's just way too hard. But I was hoping to somehow get involved in his life, but you know, too late. >> Well, now I'm like, "Okay, I'm on the map again. I'm on the grid." Hi. I'm not going to do it discreetly as, you know, show or whatever. But >> speaking of all the map, do you know why why you're here? >> Um, yes. I'm being accused. Uh, you accused me the other night of uh being you like, "Where's Jeline at?" So, and I do not know where she is. Okay. That's, you know, and and the other night and I think I apologize to you the other night because, you know, I just when I talk to you and tell you that that family means a lot to me. Um, you know, couple days ago I met Jolene's two sons and I mean they were literally I mean they were I call it anything. It's probably not the best term to use cuz people will look at it and go that's kind of a president statement and I don't mean it that way but you know my mom when I was a kid she say stop running around like a wild. I mean, that's what it reminded me of because her two little kids were just literally I'm standing there and one of them was running between my legs just running around and they're they're all over the floor and I'm like, you know, they they were around like and uh it was just, you know, just it broke my heart because I was like, you know, um where is she is, you know, she had been reported missing. They said, you know, there's no way that she's not going to be with her kids. And so I probably come across harsh when I talked to you the other day. And for that, you know, I didn't I didn't mean anything by it, but like I said, I want to know I want to be able to find her and I want to be able to get her back with her little boys. Just like you need to go and be with Evan. She needs to be with her her with her kids. Okay. Um so again, if I come across uh you know your job, >> but it's more it is my job. But at the same time, I try not to let your, you know, in my job, you try not to let your emotion get involved, but sometimes even I've been doing it for 21 years. Sometimes I let things get to me that I shouldn't let, you know, let get to me. And at least until later on when I'm not trying to have a conversation with somebody, you know, you kind of put those things to the side and you worry about them later. And maybe I didn't do a good job with that when I started talking to you. >> You're fine. Feelings are just kind of a funny thing cuz I was raised by kind of stout German people that are like, "Suck it up. You don't [ __ ] feelings. I'll beat you till you stop crying." So, we're like, we finally learned. It only took a couple beats. We're like, "Okay, got this under control." But feelings are like a funny thing because you got to somehow deal with them. >> And I've never really quite figured that one out. Like, where do you stuff them? Well, I stuff them in different places. And then I end up stuffing my face cuz I'm going to do some something wrong to like try to quelch that because we all have, you know, feelings that aren't positive. Not everyone's happy. I mean, we all have things in our life, you know. So, I stuck it with food, which is not good. And other people do with drugs and alcohol or whatever. The right way to do it is like going to the gym. [laughter] >> Remember why Kimberly was here in the first place? Because Jolene, a dedicated mother of two, talented hair stylist, and loving daughter, was missing. and Kimberly was the last one to ever see her as they were closing at Tangles Hair Salon on May 12th. And sadly, the police believe that's where Jolene died. When police searched the salon, they discovered blood evidence and evidence that there had been an attempt to deep clean the entire salon. And wouldn't you know, Kimberly was caught on camera buying cleaning chemicals and an electric carving knife that very night, right before she was captured on camera throwing multiple plastic bags into the dumpster behind Tangles. Kimberly has no idea that she was captured on camera, but she's about to find out. >> Is there, you know, and again, you know, can we I don't think we talked much about it the other night because like I said, I probably didn't apparently as professional as I should have, but can we just go through when you work with her on that Saturday, so I can Is there anything you can tell me that did she ever talk to you about a boyfriend? I know she I know she's got a husband. I know she had a boyfriend. Did she ever talk about anybody she was scared of? Did she ever say anything that would that she wanted to run away and get away from it all? I mean, you know, >> I don't remember hearing anything. She would have different conversations sometimes with different clients because different clients you don't tell every client, you know what I mean? Like, but the one client that What was it? The one I want the one I told you. What was it? She [snorts] >> She was saying CPS came to her house. She was telling one client that I caught a little blip of it in between. listen YouTube and the phone ringing and and she I remember hearing her say she thought father her ex-husband or her husband was doing to get out of paying child support. That's all I heard. And I don't remember ever hearing about a boyfriend ever. But then again, I don't always really pay attention. And as I told you before, Miss Anne, she really like talked to Miss Anne. Like her and Miss Anne would go out back and they smoke cigarettes and they sit out back sometimes for a while and they would even forget that their clients were here and I'd have to go in the back and be like, "Hey, your clients are here." because they would get so involved and talk. So I don't know as much as you know maybe Miss an and honestly whenever I first started she would tell me you know I don't even remember what she would start to tell me some things and I would be like I am not the person to ask I can't give you any good counsel. >> She tell you who she was hanging around with or what she anything that maybe she shouldn't ask. He would just say to me like, you know, the time or two that she'd say, I'm just going home and having a quiet night at home or like I don't have the kids tonight or you know, whatever. I'm just going to enjoy this. And I'd be like, you're young. Why don't you go out? She's like, no, I don't need a man in my life. But here she had a boyfriend. I didn't even know that. >> Everyone at Tangles had issues with Kimberly, so there's a good reason why she didn't know much about Jolene. Kim routinely tattled on co-workers, texting the boss to report when they were as little as 30 seconds late and making false claims that they were taking money out of the register. A few days prior to Jolene's death, Kim texted the boss stating that Jolene had taken a lot of money out of the register for her own use, but she hadn't. On top of that, in an incident that you're about to hear Kimberly lie about, the workers at Tangles discovered a baggie with white substances in it at the salon. Kimberly began to claim that the bag belonged to Jolene despite Jolene never doing substances and having been nowhere near where the bag was found. Kimberly wasn't just paranoid, she was vindictive and according to all of the workers at Tangles, she seemed to be jealous of Jolene, who had loyal customers and a big group of people who loved her. Jolene became the target of her anger, one of many throughout her decades of living life on the outskirts. >> Was she involved in any bad habits or anything that could get her in trouble? Um, I I can't say that it that she did, but I did find a bag that I believe had in it. Just a little bit in the bottom, a tiny baggie back by the back door. Um, at first I thought, well, maybe it's Val, uh, Vickiy's daughter, uh, whatever her name is, Whitney, you know, because I heard she had a drug habit, but her is that's not Chris. And I didn't even know what it was at first. And it was actually Jolene who said, "That's a drug begging." And I'm like, "Really?" She's like, "Yeah, that's drones." She goes, "Do you know what kind of drones this is?" I said, "I don't know. I don't know. It could be bass. It looks kind of like crystals." And um she I ended up looking up on the internet and I believe it was cryst. >> How much was How much was >> just a little bit in the bottom, but enough that you could see it was crystals. And I'm like And then as I started watching YouTube videos and trying to get myself educated on drugs, you know, the the behaviors and so forth, I'm like, "Well, maybe it was Jolene." But at first, I didn't think it was hers. I thought it was maybe uh Vickiy's daughter Whitney cuz Whitney has a drug problem, but I didn't know exactly what at the time. I And then later I found out it's Whitney likes, >> you know. >> Did you guys Did you guys ever hang out after work? Did you ever go anywhere? >> No. >> Together? >> Okay. Um she ever allowed to use your car? You're allowed to use her car? You ever go anywhere together like that? >> No. Okay. >> Okay. >> But you asked me on the map before. >> Okay. That's all right. >> I mean, [clears throat] >> I think I think when we were um the charge you were arrested on is a grand theft auto charge. You knew that, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um and that was kind of what I was talking with you about the other day. Um, and the reason you're charged with that is cuz whenever we talked about that, um, there's video of you dropping her car off at the Home Depot parking lot there in Uli and walking across and going into the uh, gate station and getting a taxi cab back down to [clears throat] uh, they had it listed as back down there to where Tangles is. Okay. And that's why you're you you know you're charged with a grand theft audit. And I'm not trying to trick you. I'm not trying to fool you. You're opening up to me and I'm opening up to you. Okay. That's the reason you're charged with that. You're not charged with anything else. Okay. Um but something happened to Joanne and you know we actually sent our sent our crowds in unit out to process um tangles and there was some evidence there. Okay. We have also and and I don't think I've been fooling you out. you know, I just want to talk to you and get to know you a little bit because I think something >> something that that you didn't plan happened. But let me tell you what what we did, okay? Cuz I just want to be honest with you because I think something bad happened that you didn't intend to happen, but um uh we have, you know, taking a look at your car. We actually we went out and um that I went to your storage unit on the island and we did that all on a legal basis. We had search warrants for a while. Okay. Um we've got the the video of you at the when you go in by the water you bought on your credit card. Uh you paid for the uh for the cab on your credit card. Uh you use the clerk's phone to make the phone call to the [clears throat] car to the cab company. After Kimberly parked Jolene's car at a Home Depot, hoping to make it look like she was a runaway or had been kidnapped by someone else. She then walked to a nearby gas station where she used the employees phone to call a cab for herself to go back to Tangles. She thought that would help her get away with the murder. But instead, the surveillance there sealed her fate and opened the investigation of a lifetime for law enforcement. >> Um, we also now covered your shoes that has Jolene's blood on your shoes. So, I just want you to if something happened that [snorts] you didn't intend to happen, I want to talk to you about it. I don't think you're evil person. I don't think you're a mean person. I think you have done a hell of a job getting through the last 25 years. Um, and I just want you to be honest with me. You're ready to make a new start. You're ready to start over. >> I don't know if there's a way you start. I mean, I'm my life. I'm 50 years old. I don't really see I don't see anything foreseeable great in my life. >> I give up. I give up. I'll keep breathing and praying and that's about it. >> Well, let me let me put it to you this. >> I don't see anything panning out. No, >> listen. Now, listen to me. You know, I get it and I and and I would I would probably I would probably I would probably I would probably agree with you as far as you know that dream life that everybody's going to have, >> it's probably at 50 years old with everything that you've been through, it's probably not going to happen. No. But I'll tell you what else I what I what I do believe and and I'm being sincere about this, you know, because I've seen people that that I sit in here and talk to and like I said, the only one out of a hundred usually I'll see them 3, four years later and they'll go, you know, things are great, things are much better. I haven't been in any trouble. I've turned things around. But I have seen a lot of people that uh when they come in here, we first start talking, they're carrying a big big heavy burden. And you've been carrying not just I think what recently happened. You've been carrying some other versions from what you're telling me. You know, I don't I don't see where you want it anywhere else, but >> I am. I can't believe her computer's really slow. >> But I've seen it. They may have it in there. She She may have it, but I just I want to talk to you. I want to keep up and keep keeping. Um so she may very well have that now. Um but I've seen people when they finally go, "Okay, I'm tired of running. I'm tired of being tired. I'm tired of being something I'm not. And you know, even if it means that they're going to have to make some more sacrifices and some bad stuff's going to come towards them, just the weight off their shoulders. I mean, there's sometimes I sit here and you can literally see them just kind of go and it's like I'm I'm ready to tell the truth. I'm ready to do this, you know. And I don't think you're bad. I don't think you're evil. I think some and I gotta tell you, we've talked to the we've talked to the owner of the business and I know that she was kind of uh said something some negative things to you that day. She said that she thought you were fake. She thought you were phony and she was going to look you up. >> Police have blood evidence not just in the vehicle and all through the salon, but they have Jolene's blood on Kimberly's shoes, making her involvement absolutely undeniable. And yet, she refuses to budge. Though it's clearly pretty easy to push Kimberly's buttons because all it took for her to kill Jolene was a single threat. The day before Jolene was killed, she got into a verbal altercation after she caught Kimberly eavesdropping on a private conversation she was having with her boss regarding family matters. Jolene asked Kimberly to give them privacy and Kimberly just smiled. After weeks of random accusations, threats, and nasty words from Kimberly, Jolene finally called her out. She said she was fake, that there was something wrong with her, and she was going to figure out what she was up to. Jolene saw through the 25 years of aliases, lies, and manipulation. And for Kim, that was the ultimate threat because she had plenty to hide. >> I think Jolene's dead, and I think you know where Jolene is. And I want to I don't want to go tell her her her ex, you know, I know that she didn't have a great relationship with her ex, but I know she loved those two boys. I don't want to uh them to I dread the the point, but it's going to happen. I'm going to have to tell them that their mama's gone. Okay. >> Tell me how I think that work. >> But but I need to I need to at least let them be able to get to give her a proper >> she she's out there somewhere. Her body's out there somewhere. Let us get her buried properly or whatever whatever final arrangements they need to take care of. You know, I I just want you to think about it for a minute. Um, we're we're gonna find out what happened. I don't mean that in a threat. I don't mean that in a bad way. Um, I've been here for 4 days almost, you know, 16, 18 hours a day cuz I'm going to find out where that those little boys mama is. I promise I'm going to do that. You can help me do that. And you're the one that can make it happen right now. >> No, I cannot. And I'm not. Again, whatever fury may come, I >> love on your blood on your on your >> So, let me reply this way and you may not like the answer. I would like legal counsel. I haven't been able to call anybody. I haven't been able to call my mom. And I see how that works. And that that that may still continue to go on. I may not be able to call anybody. You'll just stick me in jail. I'll sit there and I can't call anybody. and ongoing. >> I can't speak for what you know when you were held down. >> I couldn't call my mom. I couldn't call anybody. Nothing. >> I can assure you when you get to our facility, we we will uphold the letter as far as whatever the policy is or whatever legal rights you have. Those will be upheld. >> Well, they weren't so far. So, I don't really even expect them to be. That's what I saw down there. They didn't pay attention to me. That's fine. I just I'm expecting that. That's what I heard that southern jails that's what happened. So I'm like I'm perfectly expecting it to be really bad. >> That's not that's not going to happen here. I promise you that. [clears throat] >> Virginia Beach Do you not want >> It was Let me clarify. >> Do you not want to talk to me when I leave counsel? Is that what you're telling me? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you need a drink of water? Do you need to go to the bathroom? >> No. Thank you. >> Trust me. um you're not going to be mistreated this facility. You will get you will get they will they will abide by your constitutional rights. Uh if you change your mind and you're going to get attorney um but if you change your mind, you want to talk to me. I'm going to reunite those boys if it's nothing but with their mother's body. I know that's a I know she's dead. Okay. >> Hi. If you need something, just knock on door. We'll let you go to the restroom or or or get some water, whatever you want. Okay. >> All right. I got it. Thank you. >> Ultimately, Kimberly Kesler was charged with the murder of Jolene Cummings. Sadly, Jolene's body has still not been found, likely having been lost in a landfill. But at trial, everyone had no doubt that she was behind the murder, body or not. And Kimberly seemed to realize that. Leading up to trial, she went on a hunger strike, dropping from 192 lbs down to 72 lbs. At her trial, she caused repeated interruptions, claiming that her courtappointed attorney was related to Jolene. >> Jordan Beard is Jolene Cummings cousin. >> Spoiler alert, he wasn't. Ultimately, Kimberly was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Jolene Cummings, though police are still investigating how many crimes she may be behind. in her possession. At the time of her arrest, police located a journal with a hit list. Two of the people on that list reportedly died under suspicious circumstances, and others, well, police are still trying to decode who and where they are in Kimberly's twisted timeline. Our thoughts are with Jolene Cummings parents, children, and loved ones, of whom she had many. We hope you enjoyed today's video. 85% of our viewers aren't subscribed, so if this is the kind of content you come back for, just hit subscribe. 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