I called the detect. I called, matter of fact, I called your number, but it said all lines were busy. I swear to God, I did. I got your number off Google. I typed in my name and it popped up my name again cuz I really did want to fight him for my speaker. Spent too much money on that speaker for him to steal it and then go sell it. You know what I'm saying? And I had barely just got the speaker the day before that. You know, I told her, "Mama, I'm so up about this [ __ ] I'm about to just go ahead and kill myself right now." She said, "No, don't do it." She started crying. She was like, "No, don't kill yourself. You can't ask my mom. I promise you." I told her not that I just >> spoiler details are in the video description and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. >> Okay, let's let's get back to the not the shooting incident. Okay, this is the pre the previous stuff. >> You told me in the last time the last interview that you uh you could have flipped out. Okay, you said you could have flipped out after the first time that they did this. What do you what do you mean by flipped out? Can you explain that to >> Could you know what I'm saying? We're crazy. Beat up somebody, you know? I know where all that like I know like his girl, you know what I'm saying? Like how he pulling up on me with my baby mama. I know where his baby mama stay. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to result in today. You know what I'm saying? Like he pulling up on me and my girl. I left it alone. You know what I'm saying? I even told his girl, man, you better tell your dude to chill out cuz I smoke with his girl. I ain't going to lie. We get high together. You know what I'm saying? We smoke weed together. But she like >> she I don't know what's up with the month. This fool beating me up. He tripping. She told me them fools passing out on some type of drug or some [ __ ] I don't know what the hell. But I'm like, [ __ ] you just need to tell them [ __ ] to chill out with that [ __ ] Cuz my other baby mama chill with the M baby mama. You know what I'm saying? They live together. You know what I'm saying? Like every day, you know, my baby mama come over, I smoke with them when I leave. You know what I'm saying? But the mom get mad every time whenever he come over there and I'm over there. You know what I'm saying? He'll call this [ __ ] and why the [ __ ] you got this [ __ ] over here? You know what I'm saying? Cuz that [ __ ] didn't like me. You know what I'm saying? I would hear him, but I would just laugh at the [ __ ] like whatever. And I would leave, you know what I'm saying? Like Kendra, I'll see you later, baby. I'll give her a kiss and I walk out. You know what I'm saying? So nothing escalated because he would end up beating that girl up and I didn't want that girl to get beat up. That [ __ ] crazy. You know what I'm saying? >> I just dip out. >> So So by saying flipped out, you meant fight somebody with your your hands and your, you know, hand. >> Hell yeah. That's all I'm telling you. That's all I do. >> I'm just trying to clarify. >> So basically a fist fight is what you're talking about. Yeah, I've been trying to I ain't gonna lie. I've been trying to get my fist fight in. I've been trying to get that [ __ ] I ain't gonna stand. >> Okay. You also told me that you let them make it. These were the words that you used them make it. What What do you mean by that? Can you explain? >> Right. So, I had an opportunity to fight that fool. I did have one, but you know what I'm saying? So, whenever I step back and I put all my [ __ ] out, they got away. You know what I'm saying? I could have just when I stepped behind the car, I could have stole off on that fool, but I tried to give him a chance to get on his shoes cuz he had on slippers. I was like, you know what I'm saying? put on you some regular shoes, tighten them up, and get out there in the street. You know what I'm saying? But he got away. I let him make it right there. I feel, you know what I'm saying? Cuz I could have just, you know what I'm saying? Played it off and walked socked off on him in the car. You know what I'm saying? >> By that, are you saying that you let him get away? >> Right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Without beating him up. Cuz I had the opportunity really to get at him cuz I was this close. You know what I'm saying? But I was like, I'mma be a man and let him get on some shoes so he can get out here and catch his paper, scratch, and then we going to shake hands and be cool after that. But you know what I'm saying? He end up hitting reverse and getting away. You know what I'm saying? I was like, "Oh [ __ ] he got away. I never make it with that one." You know, but I was like, "If I ever get the catch, I wasn't going to let him back off like that again cuz I really did want to fight him for my speaker. Spent too much money on that speaker for him to steal it and then go sell it." You know what I'm saying? And I had barely just got the speaker the day before that. You know what I'm saying? So, I was really mad about that damn speaker. And my girl will tell you and everything. She was mad that, you know what I'm saying? Cuz she don't even like giving them rods and [ __ ] because she know what type of people they are. But me, out the kindness of my heart, you know, they my bros, you know, I'm thinking, you know, I'm like, "No, [ __ ] that. You going to still get him a ride regardless." You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see my [ __ ] walking from all the way the [ __ ] over here to all the way the [ __ ] over there. So, I'm telling you, anybody, man, I break my neck. I don't care if my girl me arguing. I get them a ride for wherever the hell they want to go from the east side to the west side. You know what I'm saying? That's what I was wondering. Why the [ __ ] would you steal from me, man? Like, [ __ ] we've been knowing each other too long for that [ __ ] They could have asked me for it and I would have let them have it. You know what I'm saying? I don't know why the hell they have to steal from you. >> Okay. Um, now in the previous interview, you told me that Deont came down here to the police department to get a statement. Okay. How do you know Deont came down here? >> Benji. >> Benji told you. >> Yeah. He said that's the one hopped in the back of the police car right after he ran. Benji the one that told me he ran and hid the guns. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know none of that [ __ ] Benji told me. You know what I'm saying? Whenever I had called my uh when I called home he hopped on the phone he like you know the month ran to hit them pistols right I was like oh yeah like damn that's [ __ ] up he was like yeah them [ __ ] ping some type of foul game [ __ ] that's real foul >> so I mean you said that Ben Benji told you that Deont just hopped in the back of the police car after he hid the guns. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Previously you told me that Deont had ran to Jessica's apartment which is right there. That diagram you show me is 66. Okay. >> Do you know roughly how far of a distance that is from where the shooting happened to where her apartment is? >> Man, I can tell you how many man it's a apartment complex. It's a church. Another apartment complex. It's like four buildings away from each other. Like right there. It's clo It's closer though. I give it to him. You know what I'm saying? How long you think it would take a normal person like Deont to grab the guns, run down there to her apartment, hide the guns, run back? >> Five minutes at the most. I don't know how fast I can get over there. You know what I'm saying? And he in better shape than I am. He's skinnier than I am. You know what I'm saying? >> Does he smoke weed? >> De smoke every damn thing. He a crackhead. I hear from what I hear, he smoke ice, coke, and every damn thing. That's why he be spazzing out like that. Okay. Um, just to let you know, I went ahead and did a little rough measurement with Google Earth. Okay, it's roughly threequarters of a mile. >> Yeah. >> Just from the scene of the shooting to Jessica's apartment and then back. It's roughly 3/4 of a mile. How long do you think it takes a normal person to run that? >> You have no idea. How long do you think it would take you to run >> from the from the scene of the shooting to Jessica's house and then back? that five million. I'm telling you cuz I done like on another occasion I done ran from there to my homeboy's hammer's house and he stay right in the corner. You know what I'm saying? Trying to hurry up and catch that before he go to the smoke shop running from Jessica's house and I have missed him like damn he at Jessica's house already and I have to run back. I swear to God I can get there five minutes. I'm not playing. >> Okay. >> And that's just me knowing my speed. You know what I'm saying? >> Roughly five minutes for you. >> I swear to God I know that fool's quick [ __ ] He faster than me cuz I'm out of shape. I can't run like that. I get out of breath and [ __ ] So, >> okay. And you said that you heard that Deont went and hit the hit the weapons. >> I didn't see him actually he did. >> You heard he did. Did you hear if he ran there, if he drove there, if he rode a bike, how he got there? >> [ __ ] For me, Deont Deont always behind the wheel of my cousin Ken car. So, it's either he ran or he drove the car there. That's the only two options. You know what I'm saying? He got there. But I know I know my cousin Benji ain't lying though. You know what I'm saying? I know. And it like for why would he just sit there and stunt like that? That [ __ ] makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Cuz they had the guns while I was there. You know what I'm saying? But when the police there the the magic gun off of him, you know what I'm saying? Like >> right. >> So that [ __ ] it only makes so much sense. And they said that Ken's car was gone after that and Ken's car was there whenever all that [ __ ] went down. You know what I'm saying? Cuz they were standing behind Ken's car. That's what kind of car little black nish like a >> You know what I'm saying? But you think that the the car left and then came back, >> man. I'm telling you that car was whenever like Okay, I'm damn. You got some I can draw this [ __ ] out. I'm telling you that [ __ ] I don't know how the Okay, the car was right here. The mod was on this side. That's okay. Now see, yeah, he drove the [ __ ] car. He was sitting in the driver's seat the whole time. Deont was in the driver's seat the whole time cuz I had walked up to the car and I told Deont, you know, I've been trying to get my oneonone with you, so you might as well step out the car. And he would not step out the car. He was just sitting there like this. He wouldn't even look at me or nothing. And you know what I'm saying? I'm the type I got more respect to hit you off guard. I'm like, for real, man. Get out the car. Benji want to catch it with D Le start bumping. You know what I'm saying? Mad cuz he ain't been trying to let me fight the month since, you know, cuz that's his little brother. I've been trying to get at the month, but he always jump in for him. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, get back. I've been wanting to catch my oneonone with him for still in my speaker. But you know what I'm saying? Like I can draw this [ __ ] out for you. Okay. like the hallways like this. Okay. Okay. We were all standing right here. My family was standing all right here. Ken's car was parked right in front of their window. De Lee was on this side of the car. The mom was in the driver's side. I don't know who I know somebody in the passenger seat. I mean in the back seat. I don't know who it was for sure. But the street is right here. You know what I'm saying? She only stay right here. You know what I'm saying? And within that car, they can whip around that corner and get back within no time. You know what I'm saying? How them [ __ ] be driving like it's nothing. You know what I'm saying? But what I was thinking is he ran through here. He ran through the apartments and then came back cuz it's like a shortcut you can cut through and get there quick as hell. You know what I'm saying? So it was either he he either drove in that car cuz I know Benji said that car wasn't there no more. So I was thinking either Ken drove around there and picked that fool up because they say Ken on some foul [ __ ] Benji like I don't know what's up with Ken if this [ __ ] really tripping. He on these [ __ ] side all the way. I'm like damn kid tripping for real. That's my own camp. Why he acting like that? Like but [ __ ] he either drove that car or he got around that corner faster than a [ __ ] cuz I know where I can if I was scared too. You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. I get around that corner in five minutes. You know what I'm saying? And he trying to help Dly out with that [ __ ] Them [ __ ] they plotted on me. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel. Like them [ __ ] been trying to get me for >> So you feel that that Deont and Ken are plotting money on you? >> Oh yeah, it ain't no feel. I know that is cuz my cousin Gio came up here crying yesterday. You know what I'm saying? Saying he went to Ken's house and talked to Ken but Ken on some [ __ ] [ __ ] That's all he would say was Ken on some [ __ ] [ __ ] And he wouldn't tell me what the hell [ __ ] [ __ ] mean. You know what I'm saying? Be like Ken on some [ __ ] [ __ ] Like what the [ __ ] that mean? He like Ken on some [ __ ] [ __ ] I don't know what he doing man. >> Cousin George. >> Yeah, George. He just got out this month. That's why he was like, "Why you like that?" Uh, Taylor, that [ __ ] sound crazy. Okay. Now, you said in your previous interview, you had mentioned a Hispanic male, or as you called him, a Mexican dude. >> Yeah. >> Um, you said that he's the one you got the gun from. >> Okay. Um, how long were you in possession of the gun before the shooting happened? >> Not even 10 minutes. >> Not even 10 minutes. Not even I mean, not even know what I'm saying. Just I told him he had it. I told him, "Shit, just wrap that mud up and set it down on the floor." >> Whenever he kept reaching for him, that's when I was like, "Oh [ __ ] I grabbed that mud. Just going to keep reaching for this damn gun. He ain't about to shoot me." You know what I'm saying? That's when I reached for that mood and got it off the floor. And then at that, I still rap. I still had it wrapped and I set it on the car at that. You know what I'm saying? Like, damn, man. Why can't we just catch this one on oneonone? That's all I kept saying is let's just catch our oneonone. For the whole time I've been trying to catch my oneonone. Like, that's all I've been asking was for somebody to get out there and fight. I would have fought anybody that night. You know what I'm saying? How I was feeling. I just wanted cuz they kept accusing me of a [ __ ] ass TV. I don't know if I told you about the [ __ ] TV, but yeah, that's what they kept, man. I don't even have somewhere to lay my [ __ ] head at night all the time. You know what I'm saying? If I'm staying with different females, I'm not gonna steal your [ __ ] TV, man. I don't even watch TV. I don't sit down and pay attention to TV in the world. That's the least amount of thing on my mind. I can't even tell you what the hell's happening on the news. I didn't even know they were looking for me on the news until they told me that [ __ ] So, I came and turned myself in. I like I didn't know he had died until my girl showed me that night on Facebook. That's why I like, "Oh, [ __ ] I did not mean to kill that man. I swear." So, I like that [ __ ] crazy. >> When you say that, you didn't mean to kill me. What? What what do you mean by that? I mean >> like I just I didn't even look when I shot. I just was shooting like this because he had shot like that. I just turned around and was moving. I was running at the same time. Like and how the I read the damn newspaper article. It say I ran through the village square. That's all [ __ ] I did not run to the village square at all. I didn't. >> Okay. >> So whoever >> where's the where's the village square in reference to where this happened? >> Oh the falcon code. Whoever the hell they said that I ran. I did not go that way on my life. I didn't go that way. >> Which way did you go? >> I came down the alley because I felt that Deont was about to come the other way and start shooting at me. So, I ran down the [ __ ] alley and I stopped on the other street and I looked like this just to make sure no car or nothing was coming cuz they were in that black mishabishi and I was like, "These [ __ ] want gun." You know what I'm saying? So, I stopped and I looked, you know what I'm saying? Then I just kept running. I was like, "Fuck." You know what I'm saying? Cuz I seen a car coming up the street, but it was night time. I couldn't see what kind of car it was. And I just kept running and I ran all the way to my girl house. You know what I'm saying? And I had nothing. But I think on my shirt I had that around my neck and I was running like [ __ ] And I got all the way to her house and I was like, "Baby." And I told her what happened. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I think I hit him. But I I think he gonna be good. You know what I'm saying? I think they gonna start this [ __ ] back tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? I was telling them I think they gonna come back with this same [ __ ] Like but I was thinking, damn, I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm gonna do cuz they I seen like whenever I just seen them back up. I just seen him falling because I looked like that and I was going like that. after seen him back up like you know what I'm saying like he step behind the car I didn't seen him fall or nothing that's why I said I thought he was good you know what I'm saying I thought I missed him every time if anything but [ __ ] when about she woke me up at like 3:00 or 4 in the morning like look and they said RIP Lee I was like oh >> this was Saturday morning >> Saturday morning at like 3 or 4 in the morning you know what I'm saying I was like damn >> okay you did say that you gave the gun back to the Hispanic man or to the Mexican dude Um, and you said that he was standing right next to you when he gave it back to him. >> Yeah. Everybody went to run like the whole the whole crowd split like instantly. Like I mean everybody dipped. My auntie, all my cousins, everybody went to ducking like like I mean instantly everybody here and he was look like the SA dude was running past like next to me but we split like this. Like he ran cuz in apartments just like this. Okay. Across there's another hallway just like there is over here. You know what I'm saying? He shot down that way and I shot down the alley. You know what I'm saying? Like here I just took off. I tossed him the gun and I took off. >> Yeah. So he ran towards towards like going towards Kmart. You know what I'm saying? And I shot down the alley. >> Okay. >> Going down the curved alley. >> So at what point did you get the gun back to him >> when like we were running next to each other like this. Okay. The cars like this, right? Okay. I shot like that. It's a alley. Like damn, I got this other side. Okay. The alley come How these a partner family see how these apartments are set up. Okay, this where can you stay right here? Okay, there's a section like this. Okay, there's like a building and then there's another section of apartments like this. Have y'all been over there, right? Like a section. He didn't run through this first slot right here. He ran through this slot right here where there's a big ass tree. I know there's like a wooden fence right here and there's another wooden fence right here and there's some gas meters right there. He came through this [ __ ] like he was going towards like I said that's not what that's 66 say like 60 but it ain't no street that lead to 65th right there though. It's just that straight street or a field or some [ __ ] across that street from right there. You know what I'm saying? Like so I shot down the alley like we came we parted like that. I was like here [ __ ] I tossed that [ __ ] I just took off just and he caught that [ __ ] I seen him catch that [ __ ] He was like all right. That [ __ ] took off running too. Everybody I mean like when I say the whole crowd split I mean kids people across the street all I'm everybody just split like just every just dipped off like man I was trying to make sure I was I wasn't hit or nothing cuz I heard something went past my head the first time that's when I dipped off like what the [ __ ] but you know what I'm saying it was a small caliber gun that's why I wasn't I guess you know what I'm saying something small I heard it and I turned around like oh [ __ ] and that's whenever I just let I think I let three I think I don't know I just I can't even Remember that [ __ ] happened so damn quick. I just moved around and I was like here and I took off cuz I didn't want to keep running with that damn gun. I wasn't trying to get, you know what I'm saying? No more trouble. I was like, "Fuck, I don't even like guns." You know what I'm saying? That [ __ ] is loud to me. I don't like all that loud ass noise here, man. And then that's whenever I got around to my [ __ ] house and she was like, "Shit, you good?" I was like, "Yeah, I'm good." I was like, "Shit, he shot at me, but [ __ ] I think I'm straight. I'm good. I ain't getting hit." And I don't know if he got hit either. And [ __ ] And she like, "No, you good." I smoked me a cigarette and I went to sleep. You know what I'm saying? >> Jasmine. >> Yeah. I went to Jasmine after that night. Yeah. 38. And I went to sleep that night. >> Now, let's go back to this Hispanic male. Um, you said you don't hang around him. That's >> I don't even hang with Hispanics. >> Say you don't hang around Hispanic males or Hispanics at all. >> Well, just a female. I like Hispanic females. >> Okay. So, basically the Hispanic males you don't hang out with. You don't >> because they try to act tough. That's why I don't, you know what I'm saying? really just kicking me up right there. >> Why did this Hispanic male get in the car with you guys? >> Cuz he said that they had a gun. You know what I'm saying? He was like, "Shit, I got a gun." I I swear I don't know why the [ __ ] he even volunteered. I don't know if Benji know that [ __ ] They cool. But he said, "I got a gun." I was like, "Well, shit." In this case, I'm going to kick it with you, homie. I ain't going to lie. [ __ ] You going to be my homie today? [ __ ] If you going to help my life like that, we will be best friends. Where exactly did Benji pick you up from? >> 65th. >> Like where on 65th? >> Just I was telling you I was mobbing down the street. Benji pulled up in these [ __ ] around here tripping for my mama. I was like who tripping for your mama? Deont them. I was like oh [ __ ] that's going to be my opportunity. I can get at one of these [ __ ] He was like they got them guns. And then he was like hold. So were you close to the river oak villa the Spanish flare elsid those apartments that burned down or >> I was walking but matter of fact right between the where it's a gap where those permits burned down I'm walking by those trees right there going towards >> towards the LC >> and that's when Benji picked you up. >> Yeah that's when he me up >> where did y'all get the uh I think that's a Mexican >> down he was walking down the street too. That's why I'm like damn this [ __ ] happening like you know what I'm saying? Like I'm walking past the Hispanic dude like this. Like you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I didn't look at the [ __ ] nothing. I'm walking past him like this and he heard Benji. Yeah, [ __ ] They got pistols. He was like [ __ ] I caught a gun and he had it on him. That's why I'm like [ __ ] been crazy around 65th. I've been wondering why everybody been walking around with guns and [ __ ] But like there's been gunshots and [ __ ] on the block. I've been hearing about this [ __ ] But I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like cuz I always duck in the house whenever I hear that [ __ ] cuz the police get tripping. They I swear the police jumped out and fed me on the block. They done search me. I'm like, "Yeah, y'all can search me all y'all want. I don't carry no gun." After they hear gunshots, I stand outside. They be like, "Shit, we hear gunshots." [ __ ] you can search me. I don't carry no gun. I'm going stand out here every day until y'all see that [ __ ] But I don't carry no gun. You know what I'm saying? Throughout the entire investigation I've done so far, you're the only one that has mentioned a Hispanic man. Can you explain why you're the only one who mentioned Even Benji didn't mention one? >> Oh [ __ ] I don't know [ __ ] You don't know. Okay. Um, also whenever in the previous interview going back to the Falcon Cove, we said that uh we parked across the alley. Which alley was that where y'all parked? >> Right. Right. Okay. The alley is like this, right? The apartments are right here. We parked right here by these apartments like across the alley and can show like right there. We came over here to where the apartment was. You know what I'm saying? And we were standing right here. But our car was parked over here though. You know what I'm saying? But we were still in those apartment complex. >> So you're parked on >> the opposite side like right behind their car. >> Okay. In between the the two sections. Yeah. Like that with the alley between us like that. >> Okay. And what kind of car were you in again? >> Uh Benji got a white white Dodge Charger with a black grill. >> Okay. And when you said we, who was with you again whenever y'all parked there? >> Hispanic. Okay. And was there somebody else in the car as well? >> Cat and them came in their own car. B&G sister had already pulled up and they own. >> Okay. >> They had they they were already on the block. You know, when we pulled up, they were standing outside and [ __ ] already arguing and [ __ ] We pulled up. >> And you know why? You said Benji was driving, right? >> Yeah. That's his car. >> Okay. You know why he parked across the alley? Was it just parking space? That's the only way you could park. The cars were already filled in like the people that lived there. >> So that's the only parking space was available. >> Yeah, that's parked right there. >> Okay. >> Um you also told me that you went around the corner to make sure your auntie was straight. Can you explain what you meant by by saying that you wanted to make sure she was straight? >> Like obviously not like she ain't straight like a board, but >> no. Like like she good like you know what I'm saying? Like they didn't hit her. and do nothing to her like >> she's not hurt you. She's all right. >> Um, >> can you explain how you were going to make sure she was straight? Like what actions you were going to take? >> Oh, no. It don't take nothing to make sure she straight. We just went over there to make sure didn't nobody hit her. You know what I'm saying? We Because she was already around there for a minute. You know what I'm saying? She We was supposed to be helping her pack her [ __ ] That's why I'm like, "Where ain't at?" You know what I'm saying? She had been around there for so long arguing with them fools. You know what I'm saying? She wasn't even supposed to be around there. She was supposed to be just bringing a U-Haul down here so we can help unload the [ __ ] onto the U-Haul so she can go back to Dallas. >> How'd she show up to the Falcon? >> Her son. >> Her son. >> Ken, that's her son. Benji's brother, Ken, I guess. I don't know how the hell she ended up over there. >> Did she show up in a taxi? >> Oh, no. She got uh she got her own car. >> She got her own car. Is that what she drove over there? >> I guess. I don't know. I didn't I wasn't paying attention all that [ __ ] >> Okay. So basically the actions that you were gonna use to make sure she was straight was just walk up to her. >> Yeah. As you and she told me whenever I came out [ __ ] as long as my a good we good [ __ ] started with that TV [ __ ] again. He started I know you took our I'm like oh my [ __ ] god [ __ ] ass TV. Okay that [ __ ] started back up. >> Okay. You also told me that the only thing you wanted to do when you were over there was fight. >> Correct. >> And we've already we've already discussed what you mean by fight. It's not, you know, drop and bomb or anything. It's fist fight. Fist boxing because you used to box for you said what, five years? >> Close to five years. >> Close to five years. And that's how you like to settle your disagreements. >> Okay. >> Um, when did you decide that you were going to do that? >> To fight. Was that before you got there or was it after that you decided all you wanted to do was fight? >> I've been wanting to fight them since they stole my speaker. I had been trying to get my one >> and that's been several weeks. >> Several weeks I've been I told them man y'all can put them guns down and get out here and fight. They would not fight me. They already know what it is. You know what I'm saying? I guess they already know. I've been trying to fight. Like I promise you I still behind the car and the uh village I mean the falcon know what is that called? The gardens on 65th. Step behind. I ain't Dorothy was staying there when she backing you in. But this was like two weeks ago before she was even moving and [ __ ] They had came over there. I flagged them down. I flagged them down. I had some legal. I was like, "What's up? Y'all want to smoke it?" I knew they wasn't going to resist that [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? So they pulled in and I threw the legal. Then I hell my [ __ ] I've been trying to fight you. You know what I'm saying? He like, "Oh [ __ ] this fool here." And that's when I step behind the car. [ __ ] go put on your shoes and get out and lace that [ __ ] up. And he was like, "All right." He reached in the back. He got his shoes on. When he got his shoes on, he put them on. We know how [ __ ] he about to get out the car. So I walk over there, take off my shirt. I set it on the ledge and he drive off. I like that was a slick ass one. He got him one. He got away with that one. I gave it to him. Yeah, that boy right there. Slick with that one. >> With all these incidents you told me about, the incidents where DL and Deont and Canid pull guns on you. >> Um, you still decided to go over there if Falcon Co would bench. >> Yep. >> Okay. Were you not concerned for your safety at any point? Being that according to you and what you told me, Neely was always on. Always had a gun. >> Yeah. But see, they said Benji came say we was going to get our scratch. That's why I went over there. I thought we was going to get our scratch. But you know what I'm saying? That [ __ ] did not I didn't get my scratch cuz Benji was like, "Yeah, I'm about to catch my oneonone with D now." I was like, "Oh yeah." I was like, "Well, should I get the month then?" That's what I was thinking. You know what I'm saying? He said cuz D ced out my auntie and Benji like [ __ ] I don't want nobody to fight D but me cuz he done call my mama a [ __ ] like for sure you can go ahead and scrape him and I'm about to go ahead and get at the mom while we around here >> and when you say scratch you mean >> fight okay and when you said scrape scrape him >> yeah fight him okay >> did it ever cross your mind to stay away from >> I was not he picked me up I was just mad because they cussed my handy. You know what I'm saying? >> So, I went over there with a purpose to to fight. >> Yeah. I I swear I'm telling you, I went over I had been trying to get it. I thought that was my opportunity right there. I was going to get the fight. You know what I'm saying? At that opportunity, but that [ __ ] did not happen at all. How I planned that [ __ ] to happen. >> Okay. >> At all. >> So, so exactly you said that's not how you planned it to happen. How did you plan it to happen? >> I was about to go around there and get the fight. Then that [ __ ] didn't like nobody was trying to fight when I got around that [ __ ] I found that out. They the man was in the car scared for his life in there like he didn't want to fight. He wouldn't even look at me. And I swear I stopped like I wish those [ __ ] apartments had cameras cuz I stopped and I told him my [ __ ] can I get my oneonone? You know, I've been trying to fight you. I'm leaning in the car window, but he had his hand right here. That's why I didn't lean too far in the car window. You know what I'm saying? But I was like, you know what I'm saying? Can I, you know what I'm saying? Y'all can ain't got to get no guns, no nothing. You know what I'm saying? Let's just get out here and catch this one on one. And D Lee and said, you know what I'm saying? We can lock C's after this. But he was trying to be friendly with Benji, but Benji wasn't trying to hear that. He like, "Nah, y'all around here disrespecting my mama. Y'all got my brother around here doing stupid [ __ ] not listening to my mama." Like, they got Ken on some whole dummy. Like dumb other [ __ ] They done brainwashed that fool. Like, you know what I'm saying? You letting your mama run your life. But his mama not running like she just really trying to help that fool out. And them fool. >> What you What do you mean when you said lock seats? >> Cuz they crips or whatever. They want to lock seats. >> That That's a a gang thing. >> Yeah, they're still locked. You know what that means? >> What? Lock seas. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] I guess they just homies. So they lock seeds. They crips. >> So after they fight and they were going to >> Yeah, they were going to lock seeds. It mean everything squashed. >> Squashed. >> You did say that you didn't mean to kill that man. Can you explain what you mean by that? >> Cuz like I'm telling you, sir. I didn't even look back when I was shooting. Like I did not try to I was just like that [ __ ] I just I don't know what the [ __ ] I just like you know what I'm saying? I didn't try to aim at him or nothing. They was just like to clear that [ __ ] You know, clear that [ __ ] But he that [ __ ] hit him. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not Man, I'm swear you can ask anybody. I'm not no damn killer, man. I love Man, I'm a player. I like females, man. This [ __ ] killing me that I'm in jail with all these dudes right now. I ain't gonna lie. I cry every night. I ain't gonna even stunt to you. I'm a grown ass man, but I cry every night just because I can't be next to my girl. That [ __ ] [ __ ] me up. You know what I'm saying? That shit's not me. You know what I'm saying? I'm not no jail. You know what I'm saying? That shit's crazy. Like this [ __ ] is eating me up on the inside slowly but for surely I'm trying to maintain this [ __ ] but I hate being in jail. And really I told my moms that night that when I found out he died I was going to kill myself too. You know what I'm saying? Cuz I felt bad for that [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? So I took another man's life. I read the Bible and everything. You're not supposed to take no man's life. You know what I'm saying? That's how that [ __ ] just [ __ ] me up. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been doing this. I used to look up to this fool. That's why I'm like hell no. I wouldn't kill that [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? I used to when we stayed on Third Street on the east side, I promise you, I used to go to his house every damn day and tell him, "Roll up this one for me, bro. Big brother, I called him my big brother. I seen him as my big brother, but this [ __ ] just stepping, you know what I'm saying? [ __ ] all this [ __ ] up." Within the last month, all everything just went haywire. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just wish I would have went around. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel. I should have just stayed at at Jasmine's house, you know. Should have even left out the house that night. I should have just kicked back and just chill like she told me to cuz she was trying to watch a movie, a new movie that came out, but I wasn't trying to watch it. I was trying to go smoke and [ __ ] being hardheaded and [ __ ] Hypothetically speaking, this is a just what if. Okay. If you weren't in jail right now and let's say this shooting never occurred right now, >> someone comes over and shoots a gun at you, what would you do? Would you go after? >> Would you go after them and try to shoot them back or would you call the police and report it? >> If they shot at me, hell, I'mma call the cops. You know what I'm saying? That's I done called the cops on people before. [ __ ] I ain't gonna say I haven't [ __ ] If they come shoot at me, I'm about to move around. I'm not even gonna be around. In your earlier interview, you said that you don't call a cop. You're not that type of person. >> Yeah. Well, [ __ ] I had to think about this [ __ ] If somebody shoot, they didn't never just shoot at me like that. You know what I'm saying? They just pulled them out. You know what I'm saying? >> So, only if they shoot at you. They going to shoot [ __ ] off. That's y'all good. You know what I'm saying? Or if they break into my house or something, like I said, I'm not going to trip on that [ __ ] I'm just going to start back from the bottom. But [ __ ] if you take it that far, when you riding by, you shooting at me and [ __ ] Hell yeah. I'mma make me a poet just so the police will know that you done been by shooting at my house and [ __ ] Of course. >> Have you ever had to call call the police on anybody? >> Just once was somebody I was like 14 though. They broke into my house on the east side. You know what I'm saying? Only reason why I did call the cops cuz they broke in through my room window. If they would have broke in through my room window, I told my mom I really wouldn't give a [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? She like you tripping. Your brothers and sisters in danger. I don't care. The only reason why I did call them cuz they broke the window by my bed. That's the only reason why I was mad. You know what I'm saying? They didn't take [ __ ] from me. But I called the cops because they broke in through my room window. You know what I'm saying? >> How did that make you feel when you found out D Le was uh was shot that you shot him? How'd that make you feel? >> I'm telling you. I started crying. I'm telling you. >> I'm not saying dead. I'm saying shot. >> I was like, "Oh shit." I was like, "No." He I was like, "Shit, maybe he'll be all right." You know what I'm saying? I promise you, I told Jasine, I'mma go to the hospital. I swear I did. You know what I'm saying? And I said, "I'mma tell that [ __ ] man. We need to put this [ __ ] behind us, man. Leave this [ __ ] alone. Stop tripping, man." I was like, "Nigga, I've been knowing him for too long for this [ __ ] to happen." You know what I'm saying? I've been When I say I've been knowing D for over 10 years. I've been knowing that for over 10 years. You know what I'm saying? >> No. No. I'm not saying you doubt me, but I'm saying I really I got love for that fool. Like, >> and how did it make you feel when you found out he had died? >> I'm telling you, I was going to take my own life. You know what I'm saying? And it's serious. I ain't never thought about taking my own life. >> That [ __ ] man. Man, I had family members die and everything. And I don't cry none of that [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? Only person I call was when my grandpa died. And may he rest in peace. Whenever that [ __ ] I promise you, I damn near put a knife to my throat. I called my mama. She the only reason why I'm still here right now. Cuz I told her, "Mama, I'm so [ __ ] up about that [ __ ] I'm about to just go ahead and kill myself right now." She said, "No, don't do it." She started crying. She was like, "No, don't kill yourself. You can't ask my mom. I promise you." I told her, "Nah, [ __ ] that. I just killed my brother." Like, I feel like that was my brother, man. But he was just tripping over [ __ ] >> Tell me this one. Same situation happened Friday night, >> but it wasn't you that did it. Let's say it was Benji that did it. What do you think should happen to Benji if he's the one who who did it? >> What do you like? >> What do you What do you think should happen to him as far as jail time punishment? What do you think should happen? >> Like how I've been looking at the situation and [ __ ] like it's either like, you know what I'm saying? Either Benji, if you say put it in Benji shoes, you know what I'm saying? It was either Benji get shot or he got shot cuz he did fire one but damn. You know what I'm saying? Like I see [ __ ] put officer in his [ __ ] position. Officer ain't going to let you shoot at him. >> Okay, let's let's step it up just a little bit here. Let's say that he shoots at me and I or for for instance, let's just say that I shot him. >> What do you think would should happen to me? What punishment do you think I should get >> in the same type set? same exact situation. The only difference is it's me and not you. >> Oh [ __ ] I feel [ __ ] that you weren't in the wrong if you protected your life. And like if you don't bother nobody and they keep coming [ __ ] with you and all this. I feel you in the right to protect your life. You know what I'm saying? If you done told these fools, I ain't trying to do that. We can get out here and fight regular like we've been taught when we grew up. We were all grew up fighting shake hands. You know what I'm saying? I feel [ __ ] If you have to protect your life, [ __ ] you shouldn't even have to worry about that [ __ ] But you know what I'm saying? Well, at the same time, you know, two people lost their life. You know what I'm saying? Because now, you know, I'm in jail and he lost his life. You know what I'm saying? But then if I wouldn't have shot, you know, I would have been shot that night. You know what I'm saying? And then my mama would have been the one saying Shae. You know what I'm saying? >> And then that [ __ ] would have escalated more cuz like, you know what I'm saying? Like I know my family crazy than the [ __ ] byel. My mom said after my uncle they came and I tell myself damn my uncle came to jail the same damn day cuz he went to 65th and he just went crazy on the block just tripping for like not just tripping tripping but like he finally just went crazy and they he turned himself in for what he was on the run for. I was like damn she like yeah I'm visiting Glenn. He in one huh didn't he just come with me yesterday to turn me in? And she like yeah he came to jail right after you did. I was like oh my freaking goodness. You know what I'm saying? >> What you say his name is Gwen? Yeah. Glenn. >> Glenn what? >> Patter. >> Glenn Patter. >> Yeah. >> What was he on the run for? >> I guess that's what she said. >> Um, so basically what you're telling me is it hit you really really hard that I cry. I still cry. Like I swear to Man, I'm trying to keep myself from crying right now. Like you know, I'm trying to hold my composure every night in that damn cell. I can't hold my composure. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm by my damn self and I read my Bible. You know what I'm saying? >> I'm not I'm not discounting your feelings, okay? Because I don't know what you're feeling. I can only >> tell that >> either you are physically actually crying because I can see the tears or from what you're telling me. Okay. So, I'm not discounting feelings at all. Okay. Yeah, >> that being said, >> if it hit you that bad, hurt you that hard that De had died, you said before in your interview several times that you would have you would have turned yourself in had you know he'd been that bad. >> Yeah, I turned myself in. >> Why didn't Why did it take till Sunday afternoon to turn yourself in? It I'm telly my mom the only reason I turned myself in at like I could have sw the next day I turned myself in when I found out he had died. I didn't know he had died die you know to that morning and I told my mom when I called my mom in that morning you know I'll tell you exactly why cuz whenever I looked outside on 65th I seen all them damn policees and guard dogs and M16s and I got scared for my life. My mama said do not take your ass outside. They got you armed and dangerous. They going to kill you. I swear to God. I was like, "Oh, sure. I'll turn you in. I want to turn you in with the family." And that's exactly what we did. All my family came in there. We turned myself. >> So, you were concerned that if you were to walk outside with your hands up in the air and say, "I'm right here." >> The Ferguson case, that shit's on the news right now. >> Let me let me put it to you this way. Ferguson, Missouri is not Texas. >> Hey, Ferguson, Missouri is a completely different set of circumstances. >> That's what she That's what she put in my head on the phone. That's >> and that's what your mom can she can put in your head. Okay. But personally, do you think that if you're wanted and you see officers outside and you know you're wanted >> if you walk out with your hands up and say, "Hey, I'm right here. Don't shoot me. I'm unarmed. You know, no shirt, no shoes, just a pair of shorts on so we can see that you're not armed." Do you think that you'd be shot by police? >> I don't know. Cuz I'mma tell you right now, like three or four weeks ago, my homeboy Germaine, they were trying to say that he killed somebody. I stood over the fence and watched the police beat him in the alley. I right hand over the Bible. I've seen him and I told him, "You can't beat him like that." He didn't even really do that [ __ ] They pulled out their guns and pointed at me all my life. You know what I'm saying? They said, "Get the [ __ ] out of the alley." And they told me just like that. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't trust police no more. You know what I'm saying? Man, I've never seen a police do somebody like that. My homeboy was perfectly fine before he came out that apartment. the dogs had bit up his arms and [ __ ] and he didn't do nothing but step outside and he was telling him I didn't do that [ __ ] That's all he was saying in the alley. That's what made me look over the fence in the first place and they had >> uh on 65th >> on 65th. >> Yeah. I'm telling you they were they were beating my when I say they were beating my homeboy like he couldn't do [ __ ] but just sit there and they were beating him and I was like damn that's not right. So I don't trust local police after that [ __ ] they had parked an ambulance and two squad cars so nobody could see in the alley on my right hand to the Bible. I was like, "Hell no, that [ __ ] janky." >> And like I said, that's same thing as Ferguson, Missouri. That's a completely different thing. >> Yeah, that's why >> I had nothing over that. Um, >> that being said, you didn't want to walk out because you didn't trust the local police. You thought that you may have been beaten or shot >> something. I knew they mistreated and won >> nobody there to see that [ __ ] Okay. >> Um, >> you said after the first incident that they pulled guns on you at the smoke shop, your phone broke and the screen was acting up. >> Yeah, my screen was my screen had been like it was like cracked halfway and I dropped and it cracked like across the bottom. So, I couldn't slide my screen up anymore. It was out. >> You couldn't use your phone. >> I can't get >> from after the shooting Friday night when you went to Jasmine's house >> until Sunday when you turn yourself in. Sunday morning around noon time, early morning. I don't know. It was Sunday sometime. >> Yeah. >> Were you around anybody that had a phone? >> Was I around? >> Yeah. The phone. >> Did you ever think about calling up saying, "Hey, >> I called the detect. I called, matter of fact, I called your number, but it said all lines were busy." I swear to God, I did. I got your number off Google. I typed in my name and it popped up my name and I scrolled and it said detective Freeman 775. That's how you know because I don't know that number. It say 775 some other like 1000 or something. And I called and it said all lines were busy. That's what I called my mom. I was like, "Shit, this line is busy." Cuz I was going to chop it up with you and tell you like, "Shit, sir. I'm not armed or nothing." You know what I'm saying? You can come pick me up. You know what I'm saying? But I swear to God when I called said all lines were busy. And I was like, "Well, [ __ ] mama, you gonna have to turn me in cuz Detective Freeman line is busy." She like, "All right." So, don't go nowhere. Stay there. She said, "In the morning, I'mma come pick you up." She said, "And we gonna all go." See, what we were going to do is go to my because I was going to use Bill McName as my lawyer. You know what I'm saying? We were going to go by his office and come straight here with him with us. You know what I'm saying? But [ __ ] his office was closed. You know what I'm saying? So long [ __ ] Yeah. It was on a Sunday. [ __ ] And I don't know why the hell I didn't think about that [ __ ] Think >> man, I'm telling you too much. That [ __ ] just happened too fast. >> Did you think of ever calling dispatch? >> You ever been a call the police desk? Calling any other numbers? >> I just used your contact detective friendly. That's why I called. You know what I'm saying? Are you aware that there's other ways that you can get in contact with me other than just calling my office phone? >> There's plenty of people. I mean, you can call and say, "Hey, I want to talk to him." >> And you can stay on the line and wait until they get a hold of me and then they can give you my number. You can call me directly on my cell phone. Okay, there's that. There's that. Okay. It's It doesn't look right that you didn't call me. >> [ __ ] really saying that you didn't call. I'm not saying that you didn't call me. Okay. But there was nothing on my phone >> that show you. There's no voicemail there. Okay. There's no call to dispatch from you. >> Um you even said that even if he was only shot in the wrist, you turned yourself in. >> Yeah. Yeah. I turn myself in for I feel wrong. >> If you only thought that he was shot in the wrist, why don't you turn yourself in immediately afterwards? Especially if you're want to say it's self-defense. Come on. I'm telling you, I had too much like going on in my head, sir. Like, I know you feel like, damn, he's you probably think I'm bullshitting or something, but like that [ __ ] it happened so damn quick. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't for sure shot that he was shot in the wrist. I didn't know if they were just he say, she say he was shot in the wrist. I didn't know what the hell was going on. You know what I'm saying? >> And who told you he was shot in the wrist? >> Somebody said that [ __ ] It was just a rumor floating around. He only had been hit in the wrist. You know what I'm saying? And >> who told you that he had died? Facebook. Yeah, it was on Facebook. >> Who showed you? Who showed you? Like, look at this [ __ ] And I was like, >> so Jasmine told you, you said earlier, you know, several minutes ago, it was about 4 or 5 in the morning that this was Saturday morning that she showed you. >> What What did you do with your phone? >> That was her phone. >> No, I'm going say your phone. Whenever it broke, what' you do with it once it got to where you couldn't even use it? Where'd you put it? Did you leave at the house? Did you throw it away? >> It's in the trash. Trash. >> Oh man. Like cuz that's like the third phone I done broke like in the last six months. I was hot. Like damn, I keep dropping these stupid ass phone. And I really like you know why else I really got rid of? Because another female bought me that phone. I wasn't even supposed to have that phone. You know what I'm saying? My baby mama didn't even know I had that phone. >> You got rid of it before the shooting? >> Yeah. Yeah. I got rid of it way way before the shooting. Like >> did you have another phone? No, I didn't have no more phones after that. I ain't even have no money to buy no more phones. >> With all the people that you were around that did have phones, do you know why they didn't call us to turn you in? I mean, if it was on the news saying, you know, Shvante Johnson, Ar Dangerous, >> I wasn't around nobody when all that [ __ ] came on the news and [ __ ] I was, you know what I'm saying? With my mama, we came to turn whenever I seen that. Whenever my mama said, "Damn, they got you on the news. A dangerous." That's when we came to turn myself in. You know what I'm saying? >> Okay. So you didn't when did you see that that it was that you >> armed and dangerous Monday morning. I promise you I didn't say I didn't tell you. I didn't know that like like they had me armed and dangerous and all that [ __ ] until that morning I was like mama they really think that I'm armed and dangerous. That [ __ ] scared me. You know what I'm saying? >> You understand why we put >> Yeah. I feel Yeah. Now I was thinking like [ __ ] Okay. >> We have to We don't We don't have the gun. >> Yes. >> We don't know where the gun is. We don't know where you are. >> We don't know if you're gonna try to go out in blaze of glory. >> Yeah. So, we have to be extra cautious. >> That's >> And we don't want just some random, you know, 15y old kid that sees you on the news and goes, "Oh, that's him." And tries to take you into custody if you're a dangerous, >> you know, >> not right in the head criminal that's going to go off and kill somebody. Yeah. >> You know, just because he comes up and says, "Hey, you're on the news. You're wanted." >> Yeah. >> So, we want people to be sure they know who they're dealing with. Okay. Monday when I talked to you, you told me you hadn't talked to anybody since you turned yourself in. So, >> I found that they're visiting me now. >> I'm saying this was Monday when when we talked. >> Yeah. >> So, you turned yourself in Sunday, you didn't talk to anybody and then your family came to visit. >> That was it. You talked to anybody since? >> They've been my family been coming like but [ __ ] >> It's like they they've been coming up there. >> Yeah. My mom came with my my little sister and you know what I'm saying? Like [ __ ] They came to say what's up. Ask me if I'm my right. Put money on my books. But you know what I'm saying? They still said don't talk about the case. Just wait to talk to you and my lawyer. The only two I chopped it up. You my lawyer. >> You made any phone calls? >> That damn machine don't work to my voice. Like you don't recognize my voice for some reason. Like from the last time when I was in the county like I I said it that global telling and [ __ ] They don't recognize my voice because I guess my voice got deeper or something since the last time I was in there. So it's somehow functional phone system. >> Yeah. So I just have I get visits like >> whenever they come up there. >> All right. If that's not working, can you explain how you made since Sunday? 44 phone calls. 40 on Sunday and 40 yesterday evening at the county. >> Like like I didn't make I ain't made 44 phone call. Like this shit's like I'm telling you you can go on my door and ask like I was about to flip out this morning because it won't work >> when when I'm saying this you you called Samantha you called Jasmine called your mom. >> Oh well yeah like that >> you told Samantha and you told Jasmine hey get them to write statements I'm gonna I'm gonna walk up out of this place in two months. >> Yeah cuz [ __ ] I ain't did nothing. >> The phone system works >> but it's like I swear it don't work like it works like I don't know how to explain that [ __ ] It works like half the time, but it don't work like cuz I damn near flipped out this morning cuz it won't recognize my voice. You know what I'm saying? It does it every once in a while kind of like you know what I'm saying? The dude told me to calm down this morning. I'm like [ __ ] that. I got all this money on the phone and I can't call because it's saying that it don't recognize my [ __ ] voice. Like if we were to go in there right now and I did that [ __ ] it won't work. Like I haven't made no phone calls today because it don't work to my voice. You know what I'm saying? And it's been doing that since last time when I was in the county. So other people have been like, you know what I'm saying? like here, you can use this minute on here. Like my homeboy Savage, he he helped me put like transfer $3 from my account. I don't know how the hell he did that, but to put it on my phone so I could be able to, but it still says you're not able to make phone calls. It It's telling you're not able to make phone calls. But yet the free phone calls that you got Sunday before you even had to put money on the books, there was 40 There was 40 phone calls. >> Yeah, that was an intake. >> The intake. that cuz they're free. >> But you don't got to do all that [ __ ] though, Anthony. You don't have to do the gloing in the front. You don't got to do all that. >> Okay. And you made four phone calls since then. But you did tell me that you didn't talk to anybody except your family who came to visit and make any phone calls. >> They all came with that though. >> Then why is it that you're telling people like Jasmine and Samantha to go get people to write statements, have George write statements, have Jennifer and J.R. write statements? cuz they've all witnessed these people [ __ ] with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, how else am I going to get y'all to understand? >> You think it would be a better idea to have filed a police report when it happened and have them write statements instead of after the fact of being involved in a shooting? >> I don't I didn't. >> You see where we're coming from now? >> I feel where you coming from. >> It's very difficult to sit there and say, "Well, now we're getting all these statements about past events after this shooting has occurred." >> Yeah. People seeing that [ __ ] though. You know what I'm saying? Had Deandre shot you and killed you, would he be doing the same thing, saying, "Oh, he pulled guns on me the past two weeks." >> What? I mean, I'm telling you, that's >> Would he be doing that to >> Yeah. Yeah, man. I'm sure he would have. I swear to God. >> Why is it people are telling us now that you've been pulling guns on them, too? >> I'm telling you, I don't have >> Multiple people have told us that you had a gun earlier in the day before the shooting that matched the same description of the gun that was used in the shooting. Why would they be doing Saturday [ __ ] I don't know. Whoever told you that's [ __ ] cuz I don't I'm not going to carry especially not on 65th. It's been way too damn hot over there to even carry a sack of weed in your pocket. The police been tripping over there. I ain't gonna carry no damn gun. >> You understand why they tripping over there, right? >> I see. I said I know why they tripping over there, but I don't carry no damn gun. Whoever told you that [ __ ] they probably on that [ __ ] side because my mama told me I mean Jasmine told me there people on Facebook beefing from me for that [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? So, I'm I'm not There might be people out there, you know what I'm saying, trying to get me that's mad that, you know what I'm saying? That [ __ ] happened. You know what I'm saying? But, man, I don't carry no damn gun. I don't carry I don't even carry no [ __ ] pocket knife. I don't carry [ __ ] on the block, but my weed, I smoke. I'm telling you, I don't [ __ ] that gun violence. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never got into that gun violence [ __ ] That [ __ ] ain't me at all. I don't carry no [ __ ] straps. That's not really cool. from all that stuff, the statements we've taken and everything and these phone calls. >> Okay, it's clear that you're having other people write statements or wanting to have them write statements. There's issues with having them write statements. >> Anybody can sit down and write on a piece of paper, bring it up, drop it off the desk, >> but everybody that's seen this >> everybody that's seen it needs to come up here and tell us. Okay. The problem with that is that's not going to it's not going to happen. Okay, I can tell you two reasons why. One, most of them probably got warrants and they're too scared to come up here. That came from your mom. Okay, because I talked to her Monday after you back. Okay. I talked to her and she said that they don't want to come up here because they got warrants. >> Yeah. >> I can't stop them from staying away. >> And number two, I can't take credit with their statements when you're calling and telling them to write statements. If it was this important to them, they would show up here. warrants or no warrants of their own free will and say, "You know what? Shante's been had having guns pulled on it by D. Le and Deont." Okay. It would be of their own free will. You wouldn't have to talk to them. You wouldn't have to get other people to go out there and say, "Hey, write these statements." >> Oh, no. I'm not telling them to write. I'm just saying [ __ ] Just make sure everybody that say they were going, you know what I'm saying? Write their statements. [ __ ] Just make sure they cuz they said that like to make take them to my lawyer first. You know what I'm saying? to make sure that they're not, you know, like my mom's writing all of them or something like that. That's what I was saying. You know what I'm saying? >> That's not going to happen because I'm not going to accept any statements like that. If they want to give statements, they need to come sit right where you're at and swear to it just like everybody else has. It's not a harassment case. A harassment case, I'll take it. A threat case, I'll take it. A murder case has to be here. Okay? It's a lot. Reason I do harassments that way and threat cases that way, like over the phone threats, is because there's so many of them. >> How how many exes do you think harass you know how how many baby mama you think arrest the baby daddies? >> Thousand. >> A lot. Okay. A lot a day. How many murders occur in a day? There's definitely less than one a day. >> Okay. >> Murder is a lot higher of a crime. It's a felony. Harassment's almost a almost a ticket of guil. Okay. There's the difference. >> Well, [ __ ] You don't feel me? You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting what I do. You know what I'm saying? >> Their statements. If they just hammer them out and drop them off, I'm not taking >> Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. >> They want their statements to be put in. They need to show up here at the PD to give me a statement. And if they're too scared to show up because they got warrants, then their statement is going to be worthless anyways. Okay. Now, we've already went out to talked to Jasmine. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Jasmine said that you weren't even at her house that night. That she hadn't seen you since. >> I swear to God, I was at Man, Jasmine probably scared cuz she got a damn warrant. I swear, man. I was at Jasmine. >> I know Jasmine had warrants. I know. I know Samantha's got warrants. >> Yeah. >> I know that from the jail calls. That's why they can't come visit you because they got warrants. They don't want to get locked up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And I know your mom's been talking to you. She's been telling you you need to get right with God. And then you turn around and tell her that you don't have but a dollar because you couldn't figure out how to work the system. You didn't know if the phone system work. >> Yes. >> And then you turn around and you call Jasmine. >> Are you seeing a pattern here? >> No. >> Okay. I'm seeing a very big pattern. Right? You're saying things the way that you want them to be when in actuality they're not. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Now, here's the thing on that. Okay. What you're doing is you're telling your mom what you want her to hear. So, she's believing you. Okay. He's only got a dollar on the phone. I'm not gonna waste that so you can call him later. Then you call Jasmine. I only got a dollar on the phone. You call Samantha. I only got a dollar on the phone. >> Yeah. That's all. Like you got to transfer it onto the thing. Like I only put that's how much I transfer onto that cuz the money that's on there I use that for my books, my commentary. You know what I'm saying? You can transfer how much you want to your phone. That's all I transfer for a phone call is a dollar at a time. You know, $2. Like not even a full five minutes, not even three. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't know exactly how much. But when you put like $2 on there, I know you get at least like five minutes. You know what I'm saying? Five, seven, somewhere around there. But that's it. Like it rough drafts off the time cuz like if you got 130 on your phone, you can't make a phone call. You got to have at least like 175 on there just to make a phone call. You know what I'm saying? >> Because it takes up time. >> Yeah. To start. >> Yeah. That's why I was trying to tell my mom like, "Shit, I'm have to call you back because I got to reset it and put more into that account." That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying like, "Shit, I only got a dollar." Because if you check it, I got $8 left on there, but I only I don't want to use all that on the phone because I want to use half of that on my commissary. You know what I'm saying? So if you you can go back and look, I only put two three at the most. I ain't put no more than $3 on there and I use that all up whenever I call home. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm getting that. You know what I'm saying? When I told my mama that [ __ ] last night, I only had a dollar on there. That's because I had already used the other dollar whenever I had called Samantha. You know what I'm saying? So I was going to put another dollar on there, but I end up calling Jasmine because I wrote my mom a letter. You know what I'm saying? >> Okay. How do you kind of change the face a little bit? How do you think that uh the Modric's family feels right now? >> I know they're messed up cuz I'm in there with one of the mod folks. You know what I'm saying? He sat down and we talked. You know what I'm saying? >> Who's that? >> Uh I guess he say he one of his Ken folks. Um I don't even know his real name. We just call him Mar. But I've been knowing him since we were little too though. You know what I'm saying? He was like, "How did that [ __ ] happen?" He like, "Y'all roll together every damn day and all." I was like, "Man, that shit's crazy." You know what I'm saying? That [ __ ] wasn't supposed to play out like that at all. >> Okay. Now, like I told you before, there's been a lot of investigating has been done since I talked to you on Monday. >> Okay. I'm telling you right now that there's more than one person has heard you say you got what you deserve while standing over De's body. >> Oh, no. I didn't. Hell no. I didn't No, I didn't even know. >> Now, before you start Before you start denying that and disagreeing, let me explain it a little bit further. Okay? >> More than one person has heard you say this. More than one person saw you there. This is their statements. Okay? >> These are not these are not your friends. These are not his friends. These are people who know who you are, don't know you, and that are neutral third parties. >> Hell no. I didn't say [ __ ] like that. I didn't even I didn't waste no time standing there. I ran on my life. I didn't stay. No, I didn't stand not even three seconds after gunshots. I didn't stand I ran on my life just like the report say I took off running. That's part right. I took off running. Hell yeah. I didn't Hell no. That's [ __ ] that. I didn't tell that dude no [ __ ] like that. [ __ ] >> So So you didn't stand over him waving the gun telling you got what you deserve? >> Hell no. I ain't telling him no [ __ ] all my life. I didn't tell him no [ __ ] like that, >> man. That's crazy as [ __ ] I I wouldn't even do no [ __ ] like that's [ __ ] up. What kind of [ __ ] is that? You stand up. >> You agree with me saying that's messed up? >> Yeah. I swear to Hell yeah. I wouldn't even do that to somebody that killed my mom. I'm not going to stand over that body and tell them that's what you deserve. [ __ ] that's You know what I'm saying? I did because I thought the mom was gonna get out there and shoot me. That's why I took off running. You know what I'm saying? I ain't know who was going to come out shoot me, man. That damn that's [ __ ] up. Like that [ __ ] just made my heart drop when you told me that [ __ ] cuz all my life I wouldn't even say no [ __ ] like that. That's out of there. That's just like cold blooded. >> You're claiming that all these actions that that that you're making or all these actions took in this case, you're making to be self-defense. >> Telly, I'll defend myself. I don't pick on no [ __ ] body. I don't mess with nobody. >> If it was self-defense, why not immediately contact law enforcement? Because >> you said that if somebody if somebody shot at you without this incident, somebody out there in the streets three weeks ago shot at you. You would have called and made a report. >> Yeah. >> Why don't you immediately contact law enforcement? You could have ran a stripes and called law enforcement. You could have ran to Jasmine and call said, "Hey, I think I just I was involved in a shooting. I need I need to get my story out." >> I did. Okay. >> I didn't know if he was hit or not. You know, why just called the police? You know what I'm saying? Why? You know what I'm saying? >> He got hit. You said that. >> Why would I just call somebody if he shot at me? But why? You know what I'm saying? Call the police. Just drive. You know what I'm saying? Not knowing what the [ __ ] going on. That's just causing the police. You know what I'm saying? What if I just called them and then [ __ ] happened? You know what I'm saying? They roll around there for no damn reason. I'm not just going to call the police on some dry [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? >> But you shot at you. >> That [ __ ] I'm telling you, man. That [ __ ] just happened too fast. So, you confusing me with all this [ __ ] Yeah. I'm ready to go back cuz that [ __ ] confusing me, man. I need my lawyer, man. Now I see what the hell they talking about. I shouldn't even came and talk to you in the first place because you putting all this [ __ ] on me. You know what I'm saying? >> Okay. So, you're asking for an attorney? >> Damn right. >> Okay. Well, I'm not going to ask you any more questions. Okay, >> man. That [ __ ] I've been trying to work with you and [ __ ] but this seem like you, you know what I'm saying? I've been telling you everything. I know every like every man, I'm telling you, I would not do nobody like that, [ __ ] I've known him too [ __ ] long to stand over this man's body and say you deserve that [ __ ] He didn't even do [ __ ] to me for me to shoot him and tell him he deserved that [ __ ] He didn't kill nobody I love. He ain't pissed with my baby mama. That now that probably would have been some [ __ ] while I ain't gonna lie. Probably that [ __ ] right there. If he pissed with my mama or some [ __ ] like that or got grimy like that, I probably would have did some [ __ ] like that. I ain't gonna lie. But he ain't did no [ __ ] like that for me to have to stand over that [ __ ] body and wave a gun and tell him that's what he deserve. [ __ ] that. I'm not no cold blooded person like that on my life. I wouldn't sit in my [ __ ] sailing car every night open no grown ass man. All them [ __ ] is older than me. What kind of [ __ ] is that? I'm the youngest one out of everybody over there. What kind of [ __ ] is that? You know what I'm saying? Have y'all paid attention to that [ __ ] I'm 19. All these [ __ ] is in their 20s and [ __ ] like I told you. Several people have told us that. Okay. I wasn't there. I don't know. If I was there and I knew it'd be a lot different case. Okay. >> But what I'm going to tell you is that the information you told me doesn't match up with the evidence and other information that we obtained. Okay, >> this was your chance to explain what happened. Really, what happened? Okay, >> I still don't believe you're being 100% truth with me. >> What do you feel like I'm not being real with you at? That's all I need to like what I told you from how we got there. >> Okay. Or not de mo shooting first. Shooting and running the gun. Shooting first. giving the gun to the Hispanic male. Okay. You said you gave it to him. The first time you said that he was standing right next to you when you gave it back to him. That implies that you're not running. >> But you also said took off gunshots. Who's not going to run with gunshots? >> Let me explain to you. Okay. >> Yeah. >> You're asking, I'm explaining. Okay. The first interview on Monday, >> you said that as soon as he shot at you, you split and you start a shooting. >> Okay. Okay. I asked you where where the gun was and you said you gave it back to the Mexican dude. >> Okay. >> And we were running. >> You gave it back to the Mexican dude. You said that you were standing right he was standing right next to you. You didn't say you were running. >> Oh [ __ ] >> When I clarified it today, you've changed it. >> I didn't change [ __ ] He was next to me and we we split parts. I >> just like I said, we split parts. I gave him his gun and I took off down the [ __ ] alley. I didn't change [ __ ] You pull up the last [ __ ] where you recorded me last week. I already know you've been recording me. I'm not stupid. I see this [ __ ] right here. I'm because I'm not gonna sit here and [ __ ] lie on camera when you can pull this [ __ ] back up. I already know. I watch first 48. >> I'm telling you, >> man. Just take me back to the county, man. I ain't trying to get [ __ ] It's crazy. >> Like I said, you've already asked for an attorney. I'm not asking you any more questions. This is what I'm telling you. >> You asked me a question. I'm going to do the courtesy thing and answer it for you. >> Yes, sir. >> Last week, you said that you took off running. >> I did. >> Okay. When I asked you where the gun was, you said you gave it back. >> He got it. >> Okay. I said, "Where was he when you gave it back to him?" You said standing right next to >> Well, [ __ ] We >> Okay. Today you said that y'all were running side by side. He splits this way. You throw it to me. That's what I meant by this whole [ __ ] time. I tossed up the week. Everybody ran when the gunshot started. Everybody. Nobody stood still. Ain't nobody gonna stand still when gunshots start. no matter what happens. You know what I'm saying? [ __ ] man. Last week when y'all got me, my mom was so [ __ ] [ __ ] up about some [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? I needed some time to vent. You know what I'm saying? Because that [ __ ] [ __ ] me up the most. I'm sure that [ __ ] [ __ ] me up more than his family's [ __ ] up. You know what I'm saying? Cuz I really like I'm telling I was with this dude every damn day up until like three weeks ago. I mean, every damn day. You know what I'm saying? Like, I really like every I mean, when I say every [ __ ] day, I mean every Monday through Friday, I was with this dude. You know what I'm saying? It ain't no like [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm not gonna just kill that, man. You know what I'm saying? I don't just intentionally kill people. What kind of [ __ ] is that, man? I'm telling you all this [ __ ] Like, it's like y'all trying to reverse this [ __ ] on me, but I'm going to keep my story straight. Like I said, I tossed bro his gun. We dipped off down the damn alley. I went to 65th. They showed me that [ __ ] in the morning. You know what I'm saying? I called my mama. The next morning, I told my mama what the [ __ ] happened. She told me, "Don't turn myself in cuz they said I was armed in danger." She said she wanted to turn me in as a family. And that's exactly what we did. If I felt like I shot that man or whatever, I wouldn't have turned my [ __ ] self in. Who gonna turn their self in? Come on. What murderer turns they self in? That's dumb. You know what I'm saying? I ain't for the [ __ ] that I've ever did, like the small [ __ ] I done did, I ain't turn myself. My [ __ ] is that I'mma turn myself in on some [ __ ] like this. Be real. You know what I'm saying? I know my whole life could be threw away because of this [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? And I'mma turn myself at least a smart [ __ ] would have tried to run for something. I turned myself in the next [ __ ] day. You know what I'm saying? I If I felt like I did some [ __ ] wrong, my girl, she asked me, you know what I'm saying? Do you want to go to New Mexico? No, [ __ ] that. I didn't do [ __ ] wrong. I felt I was in the [ __ ] my life was in danger at this [ __ ] That's why I came and turned myself in. You know what I'm saying? If I felt like I did something wrong, I could have left. You know what I'm saying? But no, I didn't do [ __ ] wrong. I feared for my [ __ ] life for the whole [ __ ] 3 week, two weeks before that [ __ ] I'm not going to sit here just let you me up with guns and [ __ ] I don't care what other people done told y'all. Don't nobody know but me. You can give them a [ __ ] lie detector test and give me one. And I guarantee I'mma pass that [ __ ] because I know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about. So until then, I'mma tell my lawyer I want me and give us both a lie detector test and I guarantee they fail that [ __ ] and I don't. That's all I got to say from now on on my life. I'm not lying. I don't have no reason to lie. Everything I told you was the truth. And that's the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And I just swore on the Bible. I'm not going to sit up in here and lie. I read my Bible every damn night. I'm not about to come up in here and just stunt. I tell you, I love that dude. I don't tell my You can't ask my mom. I don't even tell her I love her every night. It's only a select few people. I tell my cousin Georgia when I would tell them [ __ ] man, I really love y'all cuz I really go through [ __ ] with them people. Every [ __ ] day I would wake up and see these people. You think I'mma kill this [ __ ] I would I'm telling you, man. Me and this dude, we flip girls together. You know what I'm saying? Run trains on girls and [ __ ] like, man, I'm telling you, that [ __ ] crazy. I can't even believe all this [ __ ] done went down. You know what I'm saying? That [ __ ] it [ __ ] me up the most out of everything. You know what I'm saying? And all them people that are saying I stood over that [ __ ] body and all that, you get them a [ __ ] lie to take the test. I guarantee they that shit's a lie. I'm not going to stand over no [ __ ] body. I don't care. I'm not about to waste no time cuz I know [ __ ] I'm telling you, Deont was in that [ __ ] car with a gun. I'm not about to stand over this [ __ ] body. They say Deont was looking for me around the block with, you know what I'm saying? For like the first 10 seconds, you know what I'm saying? Where the [ __ ] he go? What? You know what I'm saying? If I would have stood there over his body, Deont could have shot me. I would have been dead right there with him. You think he ain't going to blast me after I just blasted his brother right there? Be real. Think about it. You know what I'm saying? Think about it. Okay, he's sitting in the car with a gun. I just shot his brother. I'm standing over his [ __ ] body. He going to stand out and pop my ass. I would have been laying out there with him, bro. Cuz I know if I'm sitting in the car, somebody shoot my brother and standing over my brother, I'mma get out there, [ __ ] gun his ass down. I ain't going to stunt. I only got one brother and that's my blood brother. You know what I'm saying? Somebody kill him. I'm not going to sit here and let him stand over on my brother body talking about, "Nigga, that's what you get." What kind of [ __ ] is that? That [ __ ] don't even sound right. Think about it, detective. For real. You know what I'm saying? You've been doing this [ __ ] way too long. Long longer than I I don't even do this [ __ ] I've been putting this [ __ ] together like a long ass time ago. What kind of [ __ ] I just ready to go back so I can go holl at my lawyer, man, cuz this [ __ ] janky. >> You have an attorney yet? >> [ __ ] I'm about to have one pretty soon. I know that. I'm attorney. >> I'mma have me one today. Okay. All right. One last thing. What you're saying will ultimately be heard by a jury. >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. >> And basically, you're saying that you can twist what really occurred to make the jury believe you, even though I'm telling you I know stuff and I have information and evidence that proves what you're saying is not the truth. Okay? >> I ain't know. Okay? >> It's basically the way it is. Let me get Detective Franco down here. This is crazy. Siovante Johnson was originally charged with first-degree felony murder in connection with the 2014 Leach, Texas shooting death of Demadrich Williams and was later indicted by a Leach County grand jury on that charge. Publicly available court records and contemporaneous reports do not document a completed trial verdict, conviction, plea agreement, or final sentence for the murder charge. A 2018 federal civil rights lawsuit filed by Johnson against Leach County jail officials indicates he had contact with the local jail system years after the incident, but his current custody or release status related to this case is not confirmed in verified public sources.