we want to make sure that um you have that voice and an opportunity to tell your story about that morning. And so that's that's why we're here. And like I said, we we've already been able to confirm that the scientific test. Um initially we weren't quite sure. Um but we have been able to get that confirmation. On December 14th, 1991 in Federal Way, Washington, 16-year-old Sarah Yarro was found dead on her high school campus after being strangled during a sexually motivated assault. Patrick Leon Nicholas was not identified at the time. He was arrested in October 2019 after DNA from discarded items matched evidence from the scene. Spoiler details are in the video description and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. >> And even when you were when you were young, like in middle school and um high school, was it always like that? >> Yeah, we always had a municipal always. >> Okay. And is it directed [laughter] specifically at you more so than other members of the family or >> No, he he shares he believe with everybody. >> With everybody. Okay. Okay. And so you mentioned you went to high school. I'm sorry. De Moines. Is that where you went? Oh, Highland. Okay. And did did ever go to school with you? >> Uh, no. Last time we were in school close to it was Maidwood Elementary. >> Maidwood Elementary. Where's that? >> Uh, okay. >> Okay. The W's area as well. Okay. And so you guys weren't in in class together >> for for high school. >> She's five and a half years older than me. >> Okay. Got it. you know, my sister earned there in fifth and sixth grade. >> Yeah. >> Was he kind of jealous? He mentioned in the car that you were pretty good in sports and mentioned some sports that you excelled at. You said wrestling you were pretty good at. Was he with your brother? Was Edward jealous about that? >> No, he never had any of that. >> Okay. Not competing in that sense. >> Okay. >> Did Pete participate in sports himself? Did your brother participate in sports? >> Oh, yeah. developed. >> You did. >> Yeah. >> What did he What did he participate in? >> Wrestling crowd same kind of thing. >> That's kind of the thing with the family. >> Just legal wrestling. You do this, you do that. >> And we refer to him as Pete. I just I should clarify because this could become confusing. So Edward Peter Nicholas is your brother Junior. And he goes by Pete. Yes. >> Okay. And you are Patrick Leon Nicholas and you go by Leon. Okay. And you mentioned in the car and you wanted to talk about this, how your [snorts] brother has used your name in the past. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Talk to me a little bit about that and when that started and what we talking about. >> It started I think in the late 80s. >> Okay. >> 90s. >> Okay. >> Um I look it up. I got sounded to a to a court. >> Okay. >> For uh evading police, speeding tickets. There's like four of them that came in the middle and I had to go down to the court and face the charges. And I walked in and I told the judge, you heard this a thousand times. It wasn't me. It was my brother. At the time I was working for business. >> Okay. >> I told the boss, could you run a complete background check? >> Okay. >> All the hours I worked. >> Okay. >> So I can take you in court and I ask the judge say this is what my boss is doing. I'll be here next week so I can get and I'll come back in. I show you. I did this. Everywhere all these tickets and chants and stuff. How does that work? >> Okay. And this actually is going to be really good and helpful information. So let's go through to the best of your recollection when that first started when you first started using your name. And >> I really don't know when the first concert started. >> Okay. >> It didn't really come to my attention until like >> the late 80s which was and you said that was where at what jurisdiction? Auburn. >> Yeah. >> Auburn. Okay. Um Okay. When's the next time after that that you recollect um a lot of the officers I used to look at the like cherry a lot of regular officers and stuff would come in. I do all of them to change heads up here and there and they say oh you had such such pleasure such such place and this is kind of ongoing through the 14 years I worked there. >> Okay. I was there 90 I think it was 1994 about 96 cuz Oh yeah it's a house I got in 94. >> So 94 and house you're in now >> I turned 30 I got divorced so I moved back onto the property in 10. >> Okay. And yeah, happy tears. It was tears after I was there. So about 96, they had knocking on the door one night up there. Listen, I just got home from work. You're supposed to invest that >> I mean I listen I'm here in tent and I just got off at the time Sher's >> just down the road right I said I just got home my >> go speed police I Wow. Wow. Okay. >> Is it What did you have a car at the time? >> I can't drive. >> Yeah. You drove? >> Yeah. No, I >> I quit driving 889. I had my >> 89 your correct. Okay. >> So, quit driving in 88. So, it's your eyes that are bad. Okay. When I get hit with a red light or reflection >> I use patrol eyes. >> Okay. >> Were you in the hospital for a while with that? >> No. >> I got to pull the glass on. >> Is that right? Okay. And that happened in Auburn. The crash >> uh over the road. >> Oh, really? >> Okay. >> Right where the duck is. >> Yeah. >> Wow. That really did a number. So, how do you get around? Did you when you were younger? Busting it. The whole time you've been busing it. Wow. Okay. >> I bought everything from Christmas trees to table song to get. >> All right. You guys, you've been riding the bus ever since. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You um So, were you always So, it's interesting along the same lines that B was talking about your brothers and your name. Um you were at Sher's you were at some other places too. And it might be helpful for us to be able to figure out some of those places where you were working at. Do you remember kind of the list of places that you were working at? >> No problem. >> Okay. >> Yes, you do. >> Okay. Okay. >> 1987 through part of 1988. >> Okay. >> Central Denny's on Central >> Central Denny's. Okay. >> Burges [clears throat] Cafe from 888 through 90. >> The what cafe? Merchants Cafe downtown Seattle. Just like >> Burchches >> Merchants >> Merchants Cafe. >> Oh, Merchants Cafe downtown Seattle. Got it. Okay. I know where that is. >> Okay. >> And from 91 I was in Kansas for a year. >> My wife. Okay. >> We moved there for a year. >> She wanted to get to know her father and that's where we live. came back went to work for Denny's from 91 through 904. >> Which was that? >> Uh sharing on 132. >> Okay. At 94 again from 94 through 97. >> Okay. One year at the Lake Mian Shies quit went back to the North Carolina for two years. So you know three years from 98 to 2001 went back to series from 2001 to 2015 and then from I took eight months off just me my parents had recently died so I just I need the stress so I came [clears throat] eight months off just stayed home. >> Mhm. And they're from um roughly around 2016 to current parts. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> There you go. Okay. >> All right. >> So 87 88 you went to Denny's. Where was that? Which one was that? >> Central Avenue. >> Central Avenue. Yeah. >> That's in camp, right? Central. Yeah. >> All right. And your brother ended up doing some time in prison. Is that right? Okay. When when was he in prison? >> 80s. >> In the 80s. Okay. Did you ever do anything at all? You did a little bit. Okay. That when you were young, basically. Okay. What time? What era were you? >> 1987. >> 8087. Okay. >> 1980 to 1987. >> Okay. And what did you do at something? How about your brother? Where did he show me something? >> No way. [laughter] >> Okay. >> She took us together. >> That probably didn't go so well, did it? >> Yeah. >> Was okay. All right. So, you guys both did prison time. You got out in ' 87. When did your brother get out? Before you out, something like that. Okay. >> Yeah. that were mostly about eight or nine. >> So when when you and he went to prison in Shelton, did you both go in using your correct name or was there you did? Okay. So as far as prison knows you you are Leon and he's [snorts] okay. >> Back then I was still by Patrick. >> Okay. >> It was until after I got out of prison when my grandfather died when I was in prison. my dad's father. I mean my new Leon was his name. After he passed away, my dad asked me if I wouldn't mind going by Leon as a tribute to my grandfather. >> So I did. >> Oh, I got you. >> Plus I wanted to break and people [clears throat] and sto their name. So I mean it's not it's not a misuse of name. So be on. So you're probably going to ask questions. So your brother Use your name. >> Did you ever pay him back by using his name or anything? >> No, I don't. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Did your brother ever get arrested using your name? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you tell me about that? >> Um, multiple offensive over the years. They just would call my dad and ask if I was around for him. I talked to him on the phone. He had lots of stuff. Can you remember anyone in specific besides the one you just mentioned to us? Is there another one that stands out? >> Not really. Um, I sorry. [clears throat] I probably had it where as the officers that would come into chairs if they could put on the put on when they pull up their names. I was the one that said police check. I initiated that >> and you mentioned that in a car and I wanted to talk about that as well. So, thank you for reminding me. So, you have your your tattoos are where you have one on your chest and that's the only one you have. What What is that? >> That's pretty. It's one of my cartoon characters. >> Oh, it's a cartoon character. >> My cat. >> Okay. So, you have a cartoon character and that's why you write >> basically cat. And then your brother um Pete has tattoos like a lot more of them. Is that right? >> Sagittarius. His name was >> Okay. So he has many ts. Okay. And aside from the time you did in Shelton, have you done any other time for anything else? Okay. So pretty much got your life figured out. All right. And how about Pete? Did you get more time after doing that kind of shopping? >> Been in and out of jail. >> For a while. Okay. >> What was What was he in and out for? >> Drugs. Um many drugs, lack of um I think one or two domestic violence charges, but mainly just violations. >> Violations. >> Oh, drug. Okay. Gotcha. And what did you end up doing time forward back then in >> I know it's time you know >> we know we we've been doing this job for a long time and and I get it there's a lot of people that have done a lot of really stupid things when they >> yeah we are we're kind of in the business of you know things that happened in the past I got things said, "I'm not proud of it." I wasn't as a police officer. So, I mean, I I didn't appear on the face of the earth the day before I walked in. I applied for a job here. So, we all have that. Um, >> for me, I buried that as deep as I can, and I want you to bury it as I >> Well, I mean, just for the sake of being open, what what was the issue? >> Okay, that's okay. I I really do get nightmares and stuff >> and I'm going to have more help than I try to get out of here. >> And you've had some some difficulties with your former wife too, right? >> My wife since we got divorced and >> since one, right? >> Okay. And was it an issue where she was alleging something happened to you? >> Oh yeah. >> And that was a from what I understand that was kind of on. >> Yes. >> So that she didn't appear at the court. a judge called her, >> right? >> And her strength kept changing what the man for >> which is not cool because it was a pretty nasty allegation, wasn't it? >> Yeah, it was sexual assault. >> Sexual assault against was it her her daughter, right? Yeah. Okay. What do you think looking back on that now, what brought that on? >> She had a literally developmental issues. I didn't know any of this. She came from now. That's where I met here. I was looking at she was going to she was an extreme man after prison her whole life. >> Okay. >> And our first couple years of marriage was great. Then we got the kids back. The kids were taking I have to get the kids back. >> That took me about a year and a half of going between three states. We had to go through the last Kansas her dad having had the kids in Kansas. Whatever happened [clears throat] that's where originally happened and here so I had to do what she did. >> Wow. You did that all yourself trying to help her out. How many does she have? Two. >> Two. >> Okay. >> No. She had three. >> Okay. >> But she can't get back to two of them. >> Two of them. >> One of them was still with her first husband. >> Okay. >> And uh we got the kids back and that's where everything just looked. How old were the kids when all that kind of rude? >> Uh 11 12. Well, last night they're number. >> Okay. >> And [snorts] this I was a personal cheese, >> right? >> She I was like number four or number five because when my dad hired lawyers for me, they went up investigated her and that's when I learned the check was that high. So, it sounds like eventually it ended up um being handled appropriately and you obviously weren't charged with with a felony. So, the court saw that there's something that's not quite right here. >> Yeah. >> Well, the church go away, >> right? >> Why did you go on there to say God [ __ ] in your life exact words, >> right? >> So, yeah. >> And you don't have any more contact with her, right? I think there's actually court represent there. Um I don't >> really the day you sign because you gave you the three month that day was last time period. >> Okay. >> I don't know where she's at and I don't care. I don't want to know as long as she stays away. >> Okay. >> That's totally true. >> So the time frame that we're most interested in, we're kind of going back. This is a while back. We're going back to like the late 80s up through the early 90s. Um, so this is an old old >> case. >> Yeah. >> Um, and so what I think is going to help us a little bit is trying to really fine-tune the timeline between you and Edward for that time. >> We need to kind of figure out who's where doing what. All right. Um, and so let's go let's go back over yours and then I'd like to try to as best as we can do real quick before we >> Yeah. Yeah. Would what would Edward tell you after he used your name or something? >> Okay. >> Right now, if we were to ask him, he'd be like, "Oh, I never did that." >> So, he would do things, use your name, but then just advertise. >> Yeah. I would find out about that. Please >> get sort things like that. I was more than very frustrated. >> Oh, extremely just >> Were you ever charged for something that you did? >> Okay. So, thank goodness for that. So, it all got figured out eventually. So, you never ended up doing time or having to go to jail for something that we did. >> Most of the two years almost all the officers at one time my brother. >> Well, Meridian charities that was a big stop point for a lot of folks. I knew all the officers and stuff. So they knew me and my brother and dad, >> right? >> I had been more than I could. >> Wow. >> Right. >> So, >> and now on the property you were just mentioning in the car too. You're stuck living in a house. You don't even have electricity yet. The property was willed to you, but you're the one that's in the house that has no power. And >> well, that's true. I can turn power tomorrow. >> Okay. I have no idea to do it. >> Okay. >> I just like he >> his girlfriend. We'll just call her that for right now. >> So he's living on the property with his girlfriend now and his girlfriend's daughter. I think you said >> daughter and >> so where do they live on the property? >> Oh >> the trailers that are there. >> The two trailers that are here. Here's the garage. Here's my house. They live there. >> Okay. And your house is what color? Yours is the blue house. Okay. And so he's living on the trailers that are kind of up from the blue house. So you both share the same piece of property, right? Okay. Um All right. Um and how long has he lived on the property with you? >> Uh ever since that day, >> which was 15 16 years ago. >> Okay. Quite some time ago. >> Yeah. >> Um and the property though is built to you. So it's basically real property. >> Yeah. And like I said, my mom put me back in the will and the last. So we were supposed to split everything three ways between me and my brother and sister. But it was very mom, dad, and and my sister that we got the houses and my brother just throwing at that last night. We tried to work with them. And I'm [clears throat] looking at garage. >> Okay. >> And I f and you look in my yard now, you see it's all under everything. >> Cuz you mentioned you made a comment in the car about how it used to be a nice property, >> right? >> No cars don't jump. >> It was clean because you you took care of it. Yeah. >> Oh, very much so. >> Yeah. That must be hard now having that. I get home and go to my house and I stay there. >> Right. >> That's it. No, I can't do anything about it. I tried. >> And so, um, you go to work. What time do you get to work in the morning? Usually >> 4:30. >> Early. >> Okay. What time do you get home? Typically, >> I get up at 3:30. If I have to do any shopping, typically anywhere between day 6 to 9, like if I go to have a drink of water afterward and relax, I don't go for Tuesday, eat stuff, talk with people, [clears throat] and then I usually take like 710 to 810 bus and be home by >> I was going to say you have invented a decent hour of getting up that early. Um, and you mentioned one of the bars where we met with you earlier tonight. That was one of your favorite places to go. Yeah. >> It used to be you've been going there for years and that you actually were going there back when it was what was the first >> Virginia. >> Virginia. Okay. And then it went from the Virginia to the >> Nashville. >> The Nashville. Okay. >> Twice. >> Twice. Okay. Wow. So, you have a lot of history hanging out there. >> Okay. So, going back uh let's go back to the the late 80s. So you um I know you both did some time in Shelton. You get out in 87. And so let's talk you first and then we'll try to figure Ever Edward out. So you get out in ' 87. So where when you get out, where do you go? Where do you live? >> I got parrolled back to my parents house. >> To your parents house >> in De Moines. Okay. All right. >> 213. >> 213. Okay. And I'm just going to make notes because I want to make sure I get the timeline. All right. So this is for Leon. Okay. And so you were there in ' 87 and then um you stayed there for how long until when? >> Approximately about a year and a half. Um late 88. That's when I got I got married in June 22nd, 1988. >> So married June 22nd of 88. >> And then you my wife lived to >> Okay. Plaza Hotel um apartments. >> Century Plaza. >> They were right across from Everson's down by corners. >> Yeah. Uhhuh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You know that. Okay. Back then it was that was a kind of a wasn't quite so busy as it is now, right? It was kind of more of a rural area of beauty if you will. >> Yeah. Now >> Yeah. It's crazy now. It is. And then so you lived there for um about a year and a half give or take. >> Something like that. Yeah. >> Okay. And then where'd you go from there? >> We stayed there till 89 90. Moved to Kansas for a year. >> Okay. And where did you live? In Kansas. >> Hug. >> Where? >> Hug. >> Okay. Here's Kansas. Here's the >> Hugan. >> Yeah. Here's Oklahoma. We're right in the corner. We're here in L. >> Is that in there? Art, Kansas. I know where that is. >> Um, no. Um, >> yeah. Right. Right across the border was in Oklahoma. Booker, Oklahoma. >> Booker, Oklahoma. Okay. Um, and so you're there with your wife and how did you spell the city? H U. >> Right. H G O G O N. >> Okay. >> Yeah. something like that. >> 16 by 16 block town with 23 churches like it's pretty Kansas. >> Small town. All right. Did you guys have a house there or did you >> Oh, then >> you rented. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What brought you guys there to Kansas? >> Uh to finish off the case, get the kids back from >> Okay. Wow. You did do a lot to try to help, didn't you? Okay. So, that was all about trying to get the kids. I walked away from one job at the merchant cafe. I was taking home $600 to $900 a night as a way to bartend. >> Wow. And you left that to go to Kansas with Wanda to try to get those kids back. I'm >> not trying. We were >> Okay. >> That's why we went down there. >> Why did you go to Kansas for the kids? >> Because her daughter and stepmother had big kids >> in Kansas. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. But that was so comfortable that um >> her mom ended up sending the kids to her ex-husband. >> Okay. >> So we had to go to Kansas. >> Okay. >> You said okay. So >> do you remember like uh Okay. So when you left Kansas would have been when 90 >> oh about 91 >> 91. Okay. >> Yeah. >> And I came back. >> Came back. Did you come back to do you remember where? >> Uh yeah. My um we had two houses in the morning. We had big house in the big house. Basement house. I have no basement. The basement house. >> The basement house. Okay. >> Probably right next. >> Were you able to find work right away when you came back? >> Yeah, but I had to get the house ready too cuz >> Okay. It has been married for my dad basically. >> So I got that. Then I got my job. I have kids. >> Okay. >> Let me make sure because that's the first time I worked at was it? >> That's the first time I worked at the lake >> marine chase the first time around. Yeah. Okay. So that was like meridian and then the basement house. >> Yeah, basement house is about 200 >> literally right next to house. >> Do you remember what the politics was? >> Uh 200 or three what south? >> Wow, that's pretty good. >> 200 you go mainly elementary. [clears throat] You go up here down building. Go up here. There's a school here. Right across the street. There's a red house and then there's looks like a pit. >> Okay. >> And two brown house in the middle. Those three lots of parents. >> Wow. >> Nice. Um, so you moved in there and so you're still with with Wanda at that point, right? Okay. And so you're at that house for do you think how long? We were there until 20 1993 1983 divorce in 94 death 6 months we moved into apartment on uh pack highway uh I can't remember the name of the part of the golf right next to the camp. >> Oh, I know where that is. >> Yeah, >> it's in the B the B taverns down there, right? >> Yeah, that's about 3 months. Bulldog. >> Okay. And so you went there probably 94 >> 93 to part of 94. >> Okay. >> Got your divorce. Went back into the basement house. back to the basement house. Okay. >> Well, I stayed there for a couple weeks and then I moved out on the property. >> Okay. Where you been ever since? Yeah. >> Okay. And into and into the property Cington. Okay. >> And you mentioned you haven't driven because of your accident. So, you just took a bus back and forth to work all the time. to work with each other. >> I got you. [snorts] >> I didn't know. >> You don't even want to take the chance because if something happens and it's not you, right? So, yeah, that makes sense. >> Basically, I get a license. >> Did Did anyone ever work in the federal area? >> I think so. >> Okay. Do you know where He's been always construction. That's what he construction. >> How about Tacoma? Did he work in Tacoma? >> Yeah. He basically like construction everywhere. >> Okay. Construction sites. >> Did you ever work in Tacoma? >> No. >> No. Okay. Did you ever work in cutway? >> No. >> Okay. >> I'm not It's okay for Jimmy. I was Kansas. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I've only lived in Washington State for three years. I'm actually from I actually from Flint issue. Oh, wow. It's where I grew up. So, um So, when you say like Meridian Denny's or something I'm trying to get in my mind how how close that is or how far away that is. I thought like Meridian or I thought like the North one you mentioned that's you never thought was going coming from camp towards Auburn. >> Mhm. >> You got >> How are we 18? >> No. No. >> Central. >> You go through down central. You go through the all the sales, all the car sales places and everything. >> Yeah. >> Then you get to um 15th. >> Okay. I think you just you had pass this way. You turn this way, you go up the hill towards Green River where you get the fire departments up there and you turn this way. You get up in McDonald's across it's now a fire restaurant. That was the dance right there. That was >> like Valley's gym that used to be down there too or something. Do you remember that? >> Okay. >> I thought it was gym. Oh, wait. They switched hands too big. Yeah, same time. >> Yes. I I live in Tacoma and I work in Seattle. So, I take high five. So, my my my point of reference is like Tacoma, Federal Way, over to Auburn, and then Seattle. It's it's pathetic. I know. So, how far away would that be from like the areas that you were in? I'm just trying to get my mind like >> Well, you is that near or is that near? >> Huh? 15. >> Technically, [snorts] started back when we started going through the car. There used to be all the car salesman. Okay. >> Where at? >> Liquid is 5 miles from my house. >> Oh, okay. >> You go on camp. >> It takes me 1 hour and 10 minutes to walk from my house to shocking. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, >> I do. I did. I try not to. >> And you you said you heard your knee. You fell off a scale. When was that? >> I was a kid. I was 15 or 12. We're on the working house and somebody else put up the scuffing and I didn't double check it and it collapsed. >> Is it something that's gotten worse as you got older? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Probably didn't give you problems when you were a young man, but >> yeah, but this whole section of my legs stays numb. >> Yeah. Yeah, there's a floating out my old leg. You can actually shake it around. >> Yeah, >> I got arthritis and stuff in there. I don't run. I walk >> nearly. It's >> probably not good. And for take the bus, I'm imagining these days more than anything. >> Plus, I don't lay down. I sit sleep sitting up. If I lay down, this whole lake >> Wow. big part. You mentioned on the way over here you said that you you had went through a windshield in a car crash and and that was you talking about how you were I forget 29 29 and that affected that injury affected your eyes. >> Oh yeah. I always had a a lazy eye on this side. >> Yeah. >> But after that um you just see like turn on my flashlight in my eyes. You watch this eye go this way. I lose all control. >> Which side is lazy? I didn't even notice it. That one. Your right eye. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, see. Wow. I can barely see now. Yeah. If I'm looking at it, I can't. Okay. Wow. >> My focus turn this side goes that way. >> Okay. >> And this is that's >> complications from that. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. You had any other complications from that from that crash? >> Headaches. >> Headaches. I wanted uh for years I had a kind of I don't know you want to call them migraine but they were they start chair and go down I still get the website goes it just tenses up really bad and yeah those can get pretty >> intense pain I had a cousin that actually had pretty ti um actually I told you um before you he had uh people said that he had like just to kind of change his personality a little bit too. People ever tell you that kind of >> Oh yeah. I like people. >> Yeah. >> No personality. That's good. That's good. >> Yeah. >> What is your closer closer here? That's the way you put it. >> Free glass with your entire life for the most part. Well, since that happened, right? >> Yeah. >> And that's been consistent since since the accident. And if I'm standing here, could you tell me can you show tell me how many? >> Yeah. Two. >> Okay. And you can see Okay. Down here and side. >> Okay. >> So, if you can get and they switch. >> Oh, okay. >> Sometimes this way, sometimes I'm not kidding. one point I had said I did one uh check I was 87 87 then two weeks later I went back in and rechecked and I was 265 in one eye and 2020 on the other >> wow that's a difference >> yeah that was right up that went on about eight years >> okay >> and they didn't want to charge you for glasses prison forsighted at least my lessons were running up to 12 $1,300. >> Wow. >> These guys are lesson. Okay. Obviously, which is good. That's insane. Well, one of the things that we've been doing too because you and your brother look so much alike. It's um trying to kind of watch and see you. Who was that that went and did laundry the other night? Was that you? That was you. Okay. Okay. Does does Edward go to that same laundry mat sometimes? No. But Edward doesn't do laundry. I'm taking it. Okay. [laughter] You understand people? Yeah. You're kind of neat and tidy. I kind of got a sense of that. Yeah. I can tell by looking at >> Yeah, absolutely. Which is important. That's part of the moral character. So, yeah, respect that. >> How often do you have to go out to do like doing those kind of things? I do kind of do it here once a week, every Saturday. >> Okay. >> Sometimes I don't because I'm just too tired because I do I work Monday through Saturday right now. >> I was going to ask you what is your work schedule? So you're Monday through Saturday for like a year now. >> Okay. >> Work we got really behind on work >> and we're shortanded. We went places. So I worked regularly Monday through Saturday. I go to work >> in the morning [clears throat] through till 3:30 and down Saturday I take 7:30 bus get to work roughly around 8:1 8:30 and then we get off at 2:30. >> Okay. >> Back home and usually somebody literally I sleep most >> I hate you. You must be exhausted. >> So how's the laundry man? I had to do laundry for a while. London man who's not a Is it >> that isn't bad cuz I guess you go >> the one right next to Fair. >> Okay. It looks like it's probably new. Is it >> kind of place but machines were really good. >> That's the big thing. The machines were kind of clean. So >> reasonable price too hot is 275. >> Wow. And the [snorts] dryers are 25 cents for like eight eight minutes at a time. So I put 3/4 in. I get approximately 25 minutes and 25 minutes I can have a whole load dry. >> Do you just sit and wait or do you >> Yeah. >> Do you have on weekends or do you just Sundays? >> Sundays just like the day. >> Your spread pretty thin. >> Yeah. Otherwise, >> you go at night during the day. >> I tried to get there about 4 or 3 >> last week. Sleep woke up. I looked at the CL, oh [ __ ] your clothes are gone. >> Your clothes are gone, man. >> Oh, no. >> So, you fell asleep and realize the laundry. You wake up, you're like downstairs. I got down there. I think it almost 8:00. >> Oh, it's a little later. Was it at that time or not? >> Yeah, it looked like really >> three or four people there. >> Wow. >> Um, quite a few machines are still going and stuff. You know, I got there like, you know, about 8 8 10 8:15 cuz I took the bus out and it was late. Of course, >> you just sit there and read a book or >> book draw. >> Yeah. No. >> Yeah. Whatever. >> I wanted to ask you, do you ever talk to Wanda anymore? >> No. >> Since 94. >> That was because of the issues with her with her kids. >> Yeah. What about her kids? You ever talk to her kids? >> Do you have children of your own? >> No, that's true. Okay. All right. So it's just just you that you don't really get along with. So >> are you guys trying to sell the property? >> That's what you get rid of. >> Okay. Your plan is to stay there. >> We sell you more home somewhere in like a 55 over >> quiet community where you can just keep to yourself and not worry about things. [snorts] Yeah, makes sense. >> Yeah. >> How bad is it? I mean like every day he's got people coming over or >> not anymore. Not like No, we used to be boy. We used to be bad. >> You had the police out there like a lot. >> We used to. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Is that right? Oh my gosh. >> Have you ever had problem with drugs or some? >> No. >> Alcohol? Anything at all? >> How about Edward? Is he What do you do? You >> meth oxy pills? You name it. >> Pick one. I think how you put Has he ever composed overdosing on or anything like that? >> Probably probably has, but >> not that you're immediately aware of. >> No. Okay. >> Well, he knows I don't do not do any hear me, >> right? >> I lost one friend because of that. So, he was heavy. So, when he was using that I've never seen. >> Okay. >> That's the one thing he did is New York that I don't know what happened. Yeah, no question. So, I get I get a clean. >> I bet you do. I'm good, too. Well, one of the incidents that we're looking at goes back to the, you know, the '9s, early 90s time frame, and it's kind of in the federal area. So, that's why we're trying to do to figure this out a little bit. Um, would Edward ever take a bus? >> Down the highway? >> No. >> Okay. >> Um, if he were to take a bus down the highway in the federal area, Where would you likely be going? >> How about you? Where would you likely be going if you were doing that? >> Mall. >> Okay. Yeah, the CPAC mall is kind of a big thing. Did you work at the mall ever? No. Okay. >> No, I never worked in mall. >> Oh, yeah. >> I used to go to the mall because I lived in >> that was like the closest and easiest and it was a nice mall. >> The federal mall was nice. >> The seat mall was really Yeah. Which is the sea mall in way to get from out of state. So it's going to be theaters were >> Yeah. And movie theaters were like a really big thing >> taking kids. The easiest way is we come up onto the P. The bus stop right there. I pack the kids on the bus to the mall. >> They had the bonet there. They had the movie theater. I can't remember if they had any restaurants. I remember they had a cinnabon. So I was all about that back in the day. But it was a nice >> I was very disappointed. >> You never did the cinema thing? Just did the movie thing, huh? >> Okay. And so when you would go take the bus to see attack mall, you would take the kids sometimes with you. >> That's the only time I would go. >> Okay. That was it. >> Okay. All right. Was that usually like on a weekend or during the weekday? >> Weekends you Saturday. >> Okay. Every day. How about the kids at time? We just had a um what was one was in fourth grade was one was in sixth grade. Okay. It's a little bit older. So looking at some kind of looking at some good movies but probably not movies that you were really into. Oh I haven't been to all the movies. >> Who isn't right? I mean seriously they came out with >> right >> that's awesome I do cartoons and stuff like that so I love animation and stuff like that >> you were just kind of like just dropping them off to the movies and just kind of those kids never left us >> Wow okay >> was she be with you also >> sometimes >> okay >> sometimes she had to work or something like that >> where did she work at time. Most of the time she didn't work. Um she did what's called directly dance on 200 across from the bull. >> Yeah. That's good for seven months. >> The bullpen. >> No. >> Oh. Yeah. At the same time. >> Okay. Wow. After you coming [clears throat] back from Kansas, stuff we need. >> Yeah, I bet you did. That probably took a lot of money. >> Basically single, married now. You got two kids. >> Yeah, that was stressful. I think Yeah. Well, money problems. You're trying to make it work with your wife who's a little bit, as you said, psychotic. >> She wouldn't that didn't start >> until later on. Yeah. >> Okay. It was my ide when it really kind of started. I think one day she sp >> well no depression. >> Oh wow. I went through just for the psychologist and stuff had to go see the hospital. I mean when you finally was like $65,000 >> and holidays are usually worse. Did you find that to be true with her too? Like was Christmas like that time? >> She was pretty good. >> Was she good on holidays? Cuz for a lot of people I know the holidays is like a trigger. >> No, that's when she was actually be decent. >> Wow. It was um like early spring summer um when it just just kind of like said came home and they just work in a total complete canonic state. >> Wow. >> And they that's what they can do. It's uh silk and silk and diamond and they can go from any kind of time to trans energy >> right >> that's at night and they call it extreme depression. Wow, that's a lot to handle. I think that would have been I mean it's not easy, right? You had a lot on your plate back then. >> Was that what led to your divorce? >> That's what Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I tried to keep going. >> Yeah. >> And finally in 94 my friend said go. I a friend took a picture of me. I look like a walking skeleton. >> Right. >> I put them down a year. I was down to 128bs. >> Oh my lord. What do you weigh now? Cuz you're thin. >> 55. You 55 and you got down 128. >> So you were married what years? >> 87 through >> 94. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> 88. [clears throat] Yeah. 88. >> When did it start going kind of sour? You guys >> 92 >> 93. >> 93. >> Okay. >> Cuz we get the kids back in 91. >> Yeah. 93. This way. >> When did you get the kids back? What month in ' 91? Do you remember? >> Oh god. No. >> Okay. spring. >> Typically, we have kids back in September, then I came back. I think I came back here in near the end of December because we did Halloween there. So I had to be just before Christmas when I came back to the state and get everything set up here cuz we had the kids. We had the kids but we stayed down in Kansas. >> Oh, so you came ahead of them. >> You came ahead of them. Okay. to kind of get things settled down straight up. >> Shut up. We paint fixed up all that. >> And was that the basement house that you get fixed up? Okay. Okay. >> They were still back in Kansas at that time. >> Did they come from Kansas? So 92. >> Yeah. >> I think it was after Christmas. >> Okay. >> January. >> Yeah. I see. >> Year and a half. Go back. >> I know. It's not easy. You're doing a really good job though. was making sense with um what we thought was true for Edward's timeline as well. So, I appreciate you helping us out on that. >> No problem. >> Did you celebrate Christmas with your family then? >> Yeah. >> When did they pass away? >> My sister. Okay. >> Yeah. Were you close to your dad? >> Oh, yes. >> Yeah. How about your mom? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> My mom pretty much raced me. Yeah. >> You had a hardworking man? >> Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. I said the baby. >> My brother and sister probably years older than by the time I started. >> Were you surprised? >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Supposed to be a girl. >> Is that right? Go figure. >> That's >> Oh, something came back. >> I'm sure they were happy with the >> Yeah. But I said my mom pretty much raised me. >> Yeah. >> And then me and my dad really had uh happened with divorce and I moved out. That's when >> you got a little closer with him. >> We actually wanted to know who his kid was. >> Oh wow. >> That's pretty cool. So you had that opportunity before he passed. >> I'm grateful for that. >> I bet you are grateful for that. >> He did a lot of stuff, >> right? >> He went for Jer, right? He woke me one night cuz I time I was working in grad I couldn't sleep. This is what I was working on. So I'm sitting on um truck at 350 step. >> He's like what are you waiting back in bed we're supposed to went back to sleep. the next day. We never did find that perfect hiding spot for some reason. >> So, you have some nice memories of time with your dad. What do you think he was most proud of when it came to you? What did what did he go? Anyway, just just um the day I got out, I told him, "Never go back." >> And I tried best to stay out of trouble trying to have a good life, >> right? quite honest. >> It's not overly easy, is it? I mean, life throws you some curve balls, man. You know, >> and you haven't had it easy. I mean, let's face it. I mean, you you're doing what you can to survive and get by, and you seem to be doing well with what you've been handed. Oh, yeah. >> At this point, >> I do the trial. When I first got out, I think the job was actually right. I was horos from that general position. But when it hit back, I'll check this up nearly eight years later. Oh, we have a record. >> Eight years later, it became an issue. >> Mhm. >> Wow. I was uh 15 years since it 2007 2008 2008 again holiday and corporation um and managing my restaurant positions open up there again Wow. >> Frustrating because you're trying to do the right thing. You're trying to to work and and make a living to drive, >> right? >> That means you a lot. >> Absolutely. >> So, but no, I've always >> I do what I do, >> right? >> Right now, I make what? $16 an hour. So, >> you're doing okay? >> What? >> You're doing okay. So, so, so Leon, so the the thing that you don't want to talk about is having been in prison. And what that tells me is that because we'll have people that we talk to and I'll say, "Well, yeah, I went to prison for some [ __ ] you know, it was [ __ ] up. I should have been there, whatever." >> You haven't said that. >> You haven't said that. And what you what so so what I interpret from that is that that's a part of your life that you've accepted that you realize you needed to make some changes about and you you made some changes and and I appreciate that because you haven't sat here you haven't made excuses for what happened um you know and and that actually that's very for us. >> I was just going to speak to that before you brought it up. I was just going to say I'm really impressed by that. It's refreshing actually. take responsibility. Did you feel that what happened during that time was was fair? Do you think the time that you did was >> probably anyone since then? You probably >> Yeah. >> Did you? >> No. >> Wow. >> 9:30. >> What did you say? How did you figure out how to go and destroy it? Right when I walked up, they were getting the call. get the word and come become a rescue. I said I go, "You might be getting a call for a Patrick necklace." They go, "Because two still on the radio, you just looked at me." I go, "I'm Patrick Nicholas." >> Wow. >> Plead guilty. Were there certain things, this is what I'm interested in. Were there certain things at that time um that you realized you kind of had to remove yourself from everything in order to keep from from going back to that? Tell me about that. what before going in. >> Were there like triggers? Were there anything that you needed you need to kind of stay away from to >> um just get my 16 I look back now just one thing I want you to help me with crap you have to do yourself >> and you do not walk out and if you're done with your time >> it's not easy though is it? Yeah, it is. >> Is it? How'd you do that? >> I just took look at all the [ __ ] what they call the system. I literally [ __ ] myself. >> I killed myself. Oh my god. I'm I'm getting out and I'm staying out and I don't know how to put it any other way. Just that's always right here. That's been my motivation, my worry. I told my mom and dad never ever again because I hurt that bad. >> Yeah. >> And they bend over backwards. They let me cruel back home and they did [clears throat] have to. >> What do you think it was that caused the whole thing to happen in the first place? >> I look back at over the years and it's like the combination this that and this and you can't just help. I don't I don't know how to put it. >> Yeah. left-handed taking just bullying all just >> getting picked on for the rest of your life basically. Is that fair to say? >> Yeah. >> And stuff like that. >> When you're when you're a kid that's hard, isn't it? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, it's hard as an adult, but when you're a teenager. >> Yeah. >> They didn't have therapist. They didn't even >> child. That's >> Wow. >> I hear people call me that. Look, there's time. Seriously, is God is on the right side, devil's left side. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, yeah, it's just all these foundations. It took me all the years in prison and stuff to really look at myself, tore myself really apart from middle. So when I do get out, I'm figur. >> So So that was one thing in your life that that happened that you were very regretful and remorseful of >> I guess I still have that. >> Okay. Was there anything else that ever came up in your life that you wish you could go back and do that? >> Honestly, just that really >> I got out most of that just other people stuff like that. >> You can't change that. >> No, you can't. You have no control over what other people are going to say or what other people going to do. All you can do is is be true to yourself and be honest with yourself and take responsibility for your actions. I mean that's really moral character right which we're talking about >> that and don't let them pay you enter theirs >> right >> I'm always >> right >> I've always made stands up >> and I still okay this is what you're going it's going to be and it's going to be wrong and when you see it's right what you see is what you get literally I've always said that what you see here is what I am >> putting And we appreciate that. And one of the things we always strive to do is to learn as much as we can about the other side of it. Because you know what we've learned over the years is there is always two stories. And what happens often in cases that assault cases for example, murders, it happens quite a bit is that all the attention is focused on the victim. Understandably so. But there's no attention on the other person who's involved. And from our standpoint, I I really think that's that's a tragedy because everybody has a story to tell. >> And everybody needs to be heard and and I truly believe in that, which is why we're taking time to to talk with you and and try to get a cigarette. >> You wait for that cigarette? >> Yeah, I will. >> Yeah. We have to go through security protocol. So, let let my partner check on something real quick and then we'll we'll see if we can do that. Yes, >> sir. I'm kind of heavy smoker and I >> fine. >> What do you usually smoke? What kind of cigarettes? >> Mars. >> Marbor 100s. Has that been your Has that been your brand over the years? >> I used to was pom. >> Oh my gosh. I remember those back in the day. Okay. >> This is with the but some reason about a year and a half ago I started smoking pals in my pill like liquid. Look. It's like I got allergy to it. Okay. >> And then um I switched back I switched tomorrow. So >> Oh, you smoke ahead. >> Uh s not working probably about almost a pack. >> Oh wow. >> And you tried to cut back a little bit. >> I did go back two pack a day smoker. >> You were two pack a day smoker and you gone to one pack a day. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Good day. >> Wow. I guess everybody has advice though, right? >> Oh yeah. That would be yours, I would imagine. Yeah. Yep. >> Yeah, I hear you. Well, yeah. We'll just check and see what what they're not allow here because it's >> Yeah. >> Right. I hear you. We could probably make something happen here. I don't think there's smoke. Yeah. There is I come from an era back when I first started doing this job where um everybody smoked. all the detectives smoked and so everybody smoked in county buildings and we would sit and talk with people and then we just we smoke cigarettes so it was not a big deal >> when that changed it was like whoa we got to try to >> oh when you couldn't smoke any break room anymore >> I know and you have to be 100 feet away from a building now or something like and on a cold windy rainy day that's so much fun >> you don't have time to take a break >> no you Not at all. >> Especially getting some cherry, but half the time I was only there was supposed to be three of us. >> Hello. >> So, you're the only one that really would show up on time. People were calling sick for games, holidays, whatever. Yeah. >> At one point, I was being center of the district. I was cooking, managing, sering, bartending, uh telling manager chips and >> three schools. Wow. >> If you want water, I'll get you water, too. >> Do we have a smoke detector in here? And I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, I think we're >> I think we have to stand outside. in Southport. We might make sure there's no smoke detector, but that's the last thing we need to do. So, >> yeah, the fire department's right across the street. So, not a good thing. [clears throat] >> One day, too, huh? >> Yeah. >> Been since four. Yeah, >> I know. Me, too. That's what I get up actually, too. Okay. I have to get up. I like, you know, I'm a get up and get to work kind of person. Go to bed. I'm with you there. So, when's your first day off this week? >> Sunday. Sunday. Are you a football game? I need watch. Do you have a TV at your place that you can even Yeah. >> Do you? >> I do movies. >> I do TV series. >> What's your favorite series you watching? >> I'm sci-fi. >> Sci-fi. Maybe like five. Okay. >> Stargate. >> Oh, wow. >> Right now I just kill Joy. >> Yeah. Okay. Is that good? >> You want to go smoke real quick in the sound? >> Yeah. Yeah. He's like, "Yeah, it's warm here. It's warmer. >> All right. Feel better now?" >> Yeah. Cigarette. Do you want any water, though? >> Yeah. A little bit. >> Little bit of water. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. >> So, who drives this woman on the property now? >> His girlfriend. >> His girlfriend's the only one in a car. What kind of car does she have? It's like a white car. >> Is it a white? Okay. And since I don't vulnerable for years, I might pay any attention. >> I really don't pay attention to them at all. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm going to show you something. It's not going to make it up here. >> [laughter] >> some water though. >> Pull some things up real quick. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Why do you think you're here? >> I have no clue. >> No idea whatsoever. Yeah. [snorts] >> Really? You talking about something >> a long time ago? >> Yeah. Right. >> We got a white area. >> Yeah. >> Some spare way. I'm just going to pull something up here. I get that. My brother might have done something. I don't know. Your the plault or something like that or might might have. >> No, that's what we're trying to sort out. Yeah. So that's about So we are So here we are 2019. And you recognize that guy. We've come a long way from from those days. >> Yeah. Check out the hair smile. >> We've come a long way since those days. >> I know. Yeah. >> Yeah. What year was that chicken back there? >> 903. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you remember that hairstyle? You were rocking >> when did you get rid of it, man? I gota ask. >> There's a guy that I used to have himself. >> Everybody all the dude mullets back in the day. >> I had my hair down here at one point. >> You did that. cooking. Yeah. When I was training to cook and Sher's I was being ready to get out. >> Oh, right. Because it won't hurt when you're cooking, not cold. >> Hold it down. And um he was going to catch up to his girlfriend, set his egg on fire, and fell hair. >> Oh, that's not good. >> And he came to here when it was all said and done. Right. >> And how was it that I started bowling? >> Right. >> Now look like 6 matching. >> So in the 1991 era when you you left the family in Kansas and you came back here for a short time. What was your hairstyle in 91? I like that. Okay. Do you remember what your brother's hairstyle was back then? Okay. >> I know he's older. >> If I would shave, he would shave. If I knew my hair long, he would grow his hair. >> Okay. And we got to tell you too, just every time we leave the room and come back, this is still recorded and you know better. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so I bring that up because here we are 20 years later. >> Yeah. Almost 30 years. >> And almost 30 years. I mean, we've come a long way from and and just just to give you a little bit just to tell you a little bit about myself. So, so I've been So, my brother and I have been doing this for a long time. Um, she's been doing it longer than I have, but I've been in law enforcement for 22 years. I grew up in Flint, Michigan. >> Why didn't you ask what what got you into it? >> What got me what got me into law enforcement? >> Yeah. >> No, to be honest, I'll tell you I'll tell you exactly what it is. I had no intention of being a police officer. In fact, I used to run from the police when I was a kid. Yeah. And at some point at some point I I needed a job. I I graduated from college. I I taught English overseas for a little bit. >> I came back and I was like, man, I need a job. You know what? They didn't catch me for this, this, and this. I'm good. Uh I like this. I've grown up a lot. >> I've matured. I've learned some lessons. I think I can probably do some good. >> That sounds got me into it. And in what I do with what I do now, I often my brother went to prison, okay? And so I don't make I don't judge people for we all sin. We all do it in different ways. And so I'm nobody to judge you, my brother, or anybody else for how you guys or how you send. Um that's what got me into it. I didn't have a job. It felt a lot. I wish I could tell you I grew up. I wanted to help people. Quite honestly, I I wanted to work and I wanted I I had work ethic and I just I fell into it. I became good at it and I like what I did and >> it's probably a rewarding reward. >> It is. It is. I mean, if you're peaceful person, which which we both are, and we genuinely care about everybody we deal with, regardless of what they may or may not have been done in our life, because like my partner said, we're all human beings and we're all just trying to do the best that we can to get by. And I truly recognize that and I I I find people to be fascinating and their stories to be intriguing and it helps me to understand kind of the mindset and and why there's certain behaviors why people do certain things and I never ever want to judge anybody for that. I mean it's just >> that's one of the things became a bartender and stuff. That's one reason. >> Same thing. >> You know what? There's not there's really not much difference between being a bartender and being because you know how to talk, you know what I mean? You knew you know how to sort of empathize with people >> and you can put yourself in their spot and and here's where this sounds qu coming from me. I and please bear with me as I tell you this, but what one of the things I like about what I do, I guess the the best thing I like about what I do is I I like to feel like when I come into somebody's life, I I leave them in a better spot than where they were when I first met them. Does that make sense? >> That that was one of the things with me actually when I started bartending tables and stuff, just what people would talk to. I knew more about people than I had one lady. I remember this. She said, she goes, "My god, I told more about myself to you in 10 minutes than my husband, you know, every day 10 years, >> right?" >> And just to be able to say a good word or something like that or just want to sit there just a form of help, I guess. >> Don't you think the key is listening? is just being present >> and being engaged and actually listening to what somebody says >> really >> and really listening. >> It's funny because I'm looking at you right now and I think I know the answer to this but I see that your hands are kind of cut up a little bit. Tell me why that is this or because you work hard. >> Yeah. >> And I can tell that this is eczema. >> Yeah. Yeah. Have you had that your whole life or is that just >> uh I've had it for like the last six, seven years. >> Yeah, it comes off sometimes later in life. I don't know why necessarily. >> Yeah. Which what you do? >> Yeah. >> That's your one hand. >> Wow. That's weird. It's your left hand too, right? >> Yeah. >> Are you right-handed or left? Left-handed. Um and so my partner asked you as I was coming out of the room, why is it why do you think that we are here tonight? And I thought I really don't know honestly like I said sounded like something happened early 90s assault my brother had been involved or yeah and my so used to people trying to look alike and all this and sometimes that happens and that's why we we kind of go through as investigators we kind of go through a process that most people aren't even aware of to make sure that we have the right person that we need to talk to. Okay. Um, and that's why we ended up here tonight. We wanted to make sure that we had the right person here. And so, >> and I think we're comfortable that we we do talk with >> I think so, too. >> Yeah. So, the picture he showed you of your mullet back in the day, um that that picture is important to us because it's that person who's been identified um in this particular case that that we're looking into. Okay. Um and I think you probably know what where we're going with this. So, >> yeah, I'm under arrest, right? >> Um yeah, you you are under arrest. That's correct. And and it has to do it has to do with what happened in in 1991 at Federal Way High School. Um, and [clears throat] we were talking a minute ago about wanting to make sure we have the right person. And there's different scientific tests that we can do nowadays. Um, DNA being one of them. And so, we were able to do that. Um, and we were able to confirm that we you do in fact have the right person. We're not not here to judge you. We wanted to get a feel for who you were. Um, because we recognize the fact that your life has not been easy. Um, and we also recognize the fact that what happened on that particular morning, um, very likely was not something that was even pre-planned out or intentional. Um, it happened and probably been living with this for a really, really worth really, really long time. Um, and so we wanted to give you an opportunity to have that voice because we're both here and you have our attention and we want to listen to what you have to say and we want to make sure that um you have that voice and an opportunity to tell your story about that morning. And so that's that's why we're here. And like I said, we we've already been able to confirm with the scientific tests. Um, initially we weren't quite sure. Um, but we have been able to get that confirmation. So, we we do know that we have the the right brother and we do know, you're right, your brother has been responsible for some things in his past as well. But on >> and that's that's been a shame for you. >> It has. >> And you know the thing is too, so so Le when we get this when we work cases, we see on black and white what happened. we see how it happened, where it happened, and and it's very easy for people that aren't professionals like ourselves to look at this and have a lot of kind of visceral feelings toward people or individuals that are involved in it. But the thing is, it's funny because once again, you know, I actually like you. I like talking to you. I like having conversations. >> You know, I like I like to have this this I'm not judging you. You know, it's funny because I remove myself from that and I I'm a professional and I'm human and because again I go back and I know you know what I know damn well if you walked out of here tonight I know damn well that this would never happen again with you because you're not that person. You're not that person that that same person that I showed you the picture of. You are not him anymore. >> You know you work your ass off. I'm looking at your hands and you're cut up and your fingers are cut up and your hands And Christ, man, I mean, you you have that fortitude. You get up every day. It's 4:30 in the morning. You said, you take the bus, you you go into work, >> you're responsible, >> your job, you go have you have a beer. I'd have a beer with you if I could. You know, you you do your shopping, you go back home, and that's your life, you know, and you and the thing is I I've had loss in my family, too. I've had loss in my my life. And it's funny because we live sometimes when an event happens in our lives, it changes us. And we realize that sometimes for us to actually live, we almost kind of live in tribute to certain people that that we've lost or we live in tribute to certain things that we've done in the past that we've learned from because for a number of reasons. has either scared the [ __ ] out of us or made us realize that ain't me. >> We walk away from that and we think, "What the [ __ ] just happened?" >> I I haven't heard you swear very much. >> I I I swear sometimes, >> but there's no better way to explain it than when we walk away from a situation and we look at it and we think, "What the [ __ ] What just happened?" And there's a reason why you haven't got in trouble since then because it probably changed you. It probably changed you. It probably knocked you back on course from a situation where you were off course. You were off the rails and and I I don't know you back then. I I don't know you. I'm not going to say that I know you well now, but I I can make certain judgments and they're positive judgments. And the positive judgments that I make now has to do with when I look at things on black and white. I don't see anything else on your record. >> Anything. Everything that you've done as a grown man now is as a different person than you. You look different from when you look back then. You act different than you used to act back then. You are different. You're a different person. And I get that. And I go back I go back to the [ __ ] that I did when I was when I was in my teens, early 20s being in charge. >> And Leon, so you guys taking responsibility for what you've done, what we're investigating is is the death of a young girl. Her name is Sarah at the high school >> from 1991. >> Okay. Church. Okay. Um, and so, um, the fact that you actually turned yourself in, um, the first time that something horri happened in your life and you took responsibility for it, um, speaks volumes for both of us because what that tells me is a lot about your character. Um, and the fact that you have done what you've been able to do with your life and have turned it around as best as you can. You're now somebody who is reliable and looked upon to get the job done, right? And so we're going to we're going to look towards that same attribute that we know is inside of you there. Um and have you do something that's probably been really difficult, but we we're going to ask you to take responsibility. >> Okay, that's that's good actually because I don't want you honestly lean. I don't want you to say another word at this point. I just want you to listen to what I have to say. Okay? >> And and and so so just listen to me for a minute. All right? Because one thing that we don't want to do is we we don't want to we don't want to parade your name on the news. We don't want to put your picture out on the news. We don't want to tell anybody that knows you that this is this is between us right now. >> Yeah. You're you're >> just know you're on your way again and I want I just want you to hear me for that. Okay. So the flip side of all of this, the flip side of this is that they were they were parents of a girl that [clears throat] that lost her. And again, you know how you felt when you lost your family, okay? And they they've been going through a lot since that day, okay? And and the the mystery is over. The mystery is over. You were there and we know that. Okay? This is And and again, sometimes when I say things, I may think it and I may feel it. I have to realize that when I say it, it might sound corny to other people, but actually it's really coming from some place sincere with me. Because the flip side of this coin is there are your family that doesn't even know that we are having this conversation with you right now. And we can do one of two things honestly. We can go back and we can say, you know what, the these whatever you know he's the he's whatever you guys thought he was or we can go back and say look let me tell you about a guy named name named Patrick Nicholas Patrick Leon Nicholas who goes by Leon his grandfather's name let me tell you about this because you've only known you've only known this this this this part of it there's this other there's this other man okay there's this man that we had a conversation with that has been carrying and he he wants to tell you that he he's sorry for what happened. Let me ask you this. Are you sorry for what everything that happened? This is there's this is the only thing. >> Okay. All right. I just want to know this this this could never happen any other time though. Right. >> This this we don't have to worry about this. There's no other >> women that are going to come forward um >> and and make statements or comments. Is is there any anything else that we need to talk about or be aware of right now? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, so Leon, that's that's honestly that's where we're at. >> We are asking you to to just talk to us responsibility and just tell us what what the heck happened there. >> [clears throat] >> And I'm I'm curious to know and let me let me ask this and you can choose the answer or not. Um before in the 80s when you came forward and you um identified yourself to the police officer, you told us that story. Um, what is it that that's different now from from that particular scenario that's keeping you from wanting to to show that same um ability to atone and to take responsibility? I'm just right now. >> So, so I'm I'm going to tell you then essentially what what's going to happen here. Okay. This there was a girl that was murdered, >> right? >> Okay. and consider all that that you you you came across on morning. Okay. Things happen. We over a fact that it wasn't intended to happen. I think you probably panicked. Okay. I'm not even asking you to to acknowledge you're not just telling me this right now. Okay. >> Without some way to to make sense of this, without some way to make sense of this, you're you're going to be thought as a monster. anytime somebody's being murdered. >> Well, the thing Yeah. But again, I'm going back to the fact that you haven't committed a single crime that you at least that you've been caught for since that day. You know what I mean? So, that means something to me. That tells me something. All right. That tells me that you're you're probably not a monster. Okay. But we need to You are How old are you now? >> 5 55. >> You're 55 year old man. Okay. And it's not hard for you to to empathize with other people because I've heard you do it repeatedly here today. I've heard you do it. You're you're you're a smart guy. I think that pardon me for saying this, but I think that looks are deceiving. Okay. When I first met you, I saw you were in a bar. you know, you're you're you're lumping, you're smoking, cigarette, your cuts, and then there's this [laughter] complete substance about you that people don't know about and and you keep to yourself, okay? You're sterile. Would you like to have kids? >> No. You kind of left your life the way it kind of is. And the thing is, you got a brother that's a pardon me for saying that, you got a brother that's kind of an [ __ ] that lives in the same yard with you, >> okay? And you've got this complete substance about you that people don't get to know. >> And and I got to know it and got to know the same >> few hours just talking to you guys. >> This guy's not at all. >> Yeah. I want our parents to be able to see that. Know that that would be I think that that's important. >> And you know what? And I kind of broke my one rule here. The one rule that I have I always start I shake hands with people. I didn't get a chance to shake your hand. Okay, I know people will respect and and I end everything shaking hands, too. Okay, I'm not here to judge you at all. I'm not here to I didn't like what you did. I'll be honest with you. >> You don't like what you did, so we're like the fact that putting words in your mouth. I like the fact that what happened probably And that's the sense that you were not getting back on track where you needed to be in life >> because I think you probably had this what the [ __ ] just happened moment >> when this was all said and done. >> I mean you live near a school. There's no reports of you ever going over to antagonize or bother kids at the school that you live right next to. You know [clears throat] that you haven't done it right. different reports of it, but I'm asking you. It's not something that you've done. >> And so that's what I'm talking about because you are this person with substance that I kind of want to I kind of want to highlight those positive aspects about you. >> We like we like to give that to her parents. >> I hope nobody can do it better than yourself. >> I know you're able to do that, but that would that would be a gift for them um at this point. Um, which >> I'm going to be honest with you, what we are asking for, that's what we're asking for. We're asking just for you to give a gift to your parents. >> Yeah, it's important to confess something and know this. I'm not going to say I'm going to be charged. >> Okay. >> And we're going to respect that. >> Okay. We're going to respect. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what's going to happen here today is you're going to be charged with murder, >> right? >> Okay. >> As can we still get >> you'll be able [clears throat] to make some phone calls. Can't do it right now. >> So, what we'll do, we're going to go ahead and stop the question and stop start our interview at this point in time and we'll make a note. It's 216 hours. Um, what we're going to do, we're going to put you I'm going to put you in the holding cell for right now and then I'm going to go out and get some paperwork that I need to to finish and then we'll have one of the deputies. We'll we'll do a transport and we'll we'll get you down to to the King County Jail. Okay. Um, do you want anything? Do you want If you don't, I understand. I can write down on a piece of paper or names, numbers. Do you want anything in the event at some point? >> You want to talk to us? You want to give us information to someone or do you want any of that? Can you call me sister? >> Call me sister. What's going on? >> In the 1991 Federal Way Washington case, Patrick Leon Nicholas was charged with firstdegree murder with sexual motivation in the death of Sarah Yarro. On May 10th, 2023, Nicholas was convicted of firstdegree felony murder and seconddegree murder, both with sexual motivation and acquitted of premeditated first-degree murder. On May 25th, 2023, Nicholas was sentenced to 45 years and 8 months with no parole eligibility and only limited earned early release time under Washington law. As of the most recent verified information, the convictions were affirmed in May 2025 and the case was sent back for resentencing and Nicholas remains incarcerated.