Why wouldn't you be involved in killing Kayla? >> Uh because number one, I'm not a killer. Number two, death's up and I've lost both of my parents. So I know how it is to live lose a loved one. So I wouldn't take one from somebody. >> That's the same to the other guy. >> Okay. If you had been involved in her death, would you tell us? >> Mhm. Yep. Final version. >> On February 15th, 2023 in Frenchtown Township, Monroe County, Michigan, David Wesley Smith was brought in for questioning in connection with the death of Kayla Saddowski, who had died as a result of a homicide. >> And um we had talked about that. I had mentioned that we you and I had talked and I'd gotten some details about the crime from Bin. Do you remember that? >> Yes. >> Okay. So um so you can tell him now that I'm not lying because he just said I would be lying. So, um I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Okay, we'll we'll uh Can we shut shut the video down now? >> Yeah, I would like to know what was said, though. >> Spoiler details are in the video description, and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. >> What I don't want, I'd rather you seriously just walk out right now. I don't want any lies, not a single one. I don't want halftruths, >> okay? Um, I want complete honesty because this ultimately, like you said, is your chance. >> Okay. So, I uh do I have your word of honor that you're going to be completely honest with us. >> I put that on my dad. That's dead. >> What you do? >> Okay. Well, let's start with an easy question. Okay. So, I'm going to start with a bunch of background questions. I do this to kind of get to know you a little bit if that's our question. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Before you start questions, can I show you something myself? >> Uh, what do you want to show? >> The video. We're going to get to that. I've heard about the video. We're going to get to that. Okay. >> Okay. All right. So, what is your name? >> Bin. >> Okay. Can you spell it for me? >> B R I N. >> Bin. What's your middle name? >> David. Wesley. >> Spell David. D A V I D. And spell Wesley. W E S T L E Y. >> And your last name? >> Smith. >> Your date of birth? >> 324 2003. >> Okay. And your address? >> I'm homeless. >> Okay. What was your address when you were in Monroe? >> 3200 North Monroe Street, Chestnut Hill, Apartment 112, 48162. >> Okay. What's your phone number? >> I don't have one. >> You don't have a phone? >> I got Facebook and Messenger. >> What's your Facebook uh ID? >> Bren, my first and last. >> Bren Smith. >> Yep. >> At Facebook.com. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Pretty sure I sent you a message on there. I don't think you got it though. It's in your message to request if you looked. >> Okay. >> I'm just send you something. >> All right. When did you send that? >> Um like 2 days ago. >> Okay. >> This whole time, like the whole time I talked to you on the phone and like through all this thing >> Mhm. >> I've been trying to run away. >> Okay. >> Okay. Like I've been trying to get away from this man, but he will trap you. >> Okay. >> He uses you for your money. He'll take your money. He'll take your phone. He'll take your bridge cards. He'll take whatever you have. >> Okay. >> Today was my day. He got He went into the gas station and this time didn't tell me to come in with him. Once he went in there, I ran. >> Okay. And I'm glad you got away. Sounds like you uh he's a scary guy. >> Uh scary ain't a word for it. >> Okay. And I want We're going to sit down. Like I said, we're going to talk all about this stuff. Okay. So, are you married? >> No. >> Are you dating anyone? >> Yes. >> Who are you dating? >> Bray. >> Bray. >> Brillin. >> Brillin. >> Yeah. >> Who's Brillin? She's my girlfriend. >> I know. But how do you spell Brilland first of all? >> B R A Y L L Y N. >> L L L L Y N. >> Yep. >> Okay. And uh what's Brillin's middle name? >> I don't know her middle name. I just started I just started dating as well. >> Okay. And what's her last name? >> Roberts. R O B E RTS. >> And do you know her date of birth? >> No, I just started talking to her. Just started dating. >> Okay. So, how long how long you been dating? >> We haven't We're not even really dating yet. We're still talking like for like 3 days. >> Oh, okay. Cuz I asked you if you're dating anyone that you gave me that name. So, >> dating. Talking. Yeah. >> Kind of in that transition phase. >> In the talking stage. >> Got it. Okay. How old is she? >> Huh? I haven't got that out of her yet. >> Okay. Is she uh younger than 50? >> Yes. >> Okay. Is she older than 20? >> No, she's like 19. Okay, sounds good. And where does she live? >> Over in Park Avenue. >> Here in Shelby. >> Yeah. Okay. How'd you meet uh Brillin? >> Facebook. One of my friends. >> Okay. >> All right. Do you have any children? >> No. >> No. >> And where do you work? >> I don't have a job at the moment. >> Where do you Were you working before you uh when you were living back at 3200? >> He wouldn't let you have a job. >> He doesn't let you have a job? >> No, you you don't get to leave. >> Okay. >> So, by he you mean Steve? >> Yeah. >> What's Steve's last name? >> Bales. B A I L S. Then when you say he won't let you have a job or won't let you leave, what does he do to prevent you from leaving? >> Whatever he can. >> Well, what does that mean, though? >> It depends on on what it is. Like, if he if you want to go get a job, he's going to somehow make up a way for you not to be able to get a job. >> So, again, and just help me understand what that means, though. Like, uh, if you said, "Well, Steve, I want to get a job." No. Uh, you're not going to. Well, I actually am. What? What is he going to do to stop you? >> Uh, he may try to hurt you. I've never went that far cuz the dude's crazy. I didn't go that far. I don't want to find out. >> So, you would just he would essentially tell you no and you'd listen to him. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's what he did to everybody in the house. >> Okay. How did you meet Steve? >> Steve is my cousin. Not by blood, but by marriage. My dad's side. >> And how did you get hooked up where you were living with him? >> Cuz I was got I got kicked out of my aunts cuz I was living with her first. >> Who's your aunt? >> Karen Bunch. Okay. >> And then what happened? >> I got kicked out and then I went back to Monroe when I was going through town and he had stopped on the side of the road and seen me. It was like we started talking and he finally found out it was my cousin and I told him I was homeless. He took me in and bad idea. >> And when was that? >> Like 5 months ago. Exact. >> Okay. So, um, what are your hobbies? >> I like everything. Walking, adventuring, football. >> Walking, adventuring. What else? >> Football, wrestling, >> just sports. >> You a Michigan fan? >> I think you could tell. >> Yeah. Well, I'm a detective, so I figured that out. >> Yeah, figured you could tell. >> Okay. You wrestling? Did you wrestle in high school or something? >> Wrestled in middle school and high school. >> Who did you wrestle for? >> Monroe Middle and Monroe High. >> Okay. In what weight were you uh wrestling in high school? >> Heavy. >> Heavyweight. Were you good? >> Yeah. >> I compete good. Is that good enough? >> Yeah, as good as you sir. You were a state placer? >> Yeah. If you went to the Monroe Middle Monroe High School right now and you went to their glass case, >> went all the way down to the bottom right. You'll see my name. >> Were you a state champion? >> No. >> Okay. >> Not a state champion, unfortunately. >> Okay. So, did you uh go to uh states and place in the state? Okay. >> Yeah. I played in state, but state champion was not me. >> Got it. Well, you're still still impressive to be all state, right? >> To get into state ranking is is kind of hard. So, >> I guess for myself, >> very nice. So, just Brenn, describe your perfect day for me. This is a Bren Smith day. You can do what you want. Hang out with whomever you want. Just get up when you want. What would you do? Describe that day for me. >> A Bren's perfect day. >> Brenn's perfect day. >> I don't even know. I never had thought of that. Well, uh, wake up, >> eat, of course. Um, nothing. Nobody. So, I don't know. Adventure cuz I'm homeless now and new here. So, I'd probably adventure. >> Now, you that's the second time you've mentioned adventuring. What does that mean to you? Cuz I don't know what really that means. >> Exploring. Walking around. >> Walking around where? >> Anywhere. Here. Cuz this is where I'm at now. Okay. >> Not in the row. >> Okay. >> Are you planning on living with Brelin? >> No. No. >> Are you planning on staying in the area then here? >> I don't know. I might stay here and might try to get to my aunt's house. >> Okay. >> So, so on a scale from 1 to 10 with one, how honest are you? One is you never tell the truth. 10 you always tell the truth. What where would you ranking that? >> Seven. >> About a seven. So that is >> So that was the old one. >> That's the old. So as you're sitting here right now, what are you going to be? >> What are you right now? You're a 10. Yeah. So actually seven is more than most people I talk to, to be honest with you. So but >> today in this room, I need you to be a 10. >> I am a 10. I need my name clear. >> Okay. So rate your life on a scale from 1 to 10. One is the worst and 10 is the best. A >> one. >> A one. What's going wrong in your life? >> I don't have my parents. They both killed themselves. Okay. I'm sorry to hear that. When was that? >> My dad passed away in 2011 and my mom passed away last year on 1st of March. >> Okay. And if you don't mind me asking, how did your dad kill himself? >> He hung himself. >> He hung himself. Did he leave a reason? >> Yeah. >> What was the reason? >> Too much stress in the world. >> Okay. >> Literally what he said. He recorded it >> on his phone. >> Okay. And what about your mom? How did >> she came home and overdosed? >> Okay. Well, I'm sorry. >> Reasoning? I don't know. >> Very sorry. >> I wish I knew. >> So, what is what's going well in your life? Is anything going well? >> Not really. Now, >> so is there one single thing you can point to in your life that say, "Okay, what? >> My aunt." >> Your aunt. >> Yeah. >> You're talking to your aunt Karen that you referenced earlier. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What why is she a bright light in your life? because we left off on bad terms from when I got kicked out. And now that we're talking again and she knows about what's going on, she's kind of getting like comfortable and back on my side again and she's talking to me and we're figuring things out. >> So, you're getting back you're getting closer with her again. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Rebuilding my relationship with my aunt. >> Okay. Describe yourself to me. >> In what way? personality are just >> do you what is who is Brim? Who what what do you like? >> Um he's a guy who's very outgoing and he likes to be outside a lot. >> Um he give someone the shirt off his back if he could. Okay. So, and again, I I'm sorry about what happened your mom, but when she was alive, describe your relationship with her. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Your mom was boy 100%. >> What's that? >> Mama was boy 100%. >> Tell me about her. >> My mom was the princess. I swear to God. My mom was a princess of this damn world. I love that woman to death. Okay. >> She always cared for people and she would she'd make sure anyone else was good before herself. Okay. So, that had to be quite a shock when she overdosed. Did she overdose on purpose, do you think? Or >> I I don't know. Still don't know. >> Still don't know. >> I know the person who didn't, but I don't know why. >> Okay. So, it's possible she didn't commit suicide. She It could >> It was forced. >> Okay. >> We all know it was forced. >> Okay. All right. Um, describe your relationship with your dad. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. Tell me about that. >> Um, we always worked on cars together when I was little. is the only reason I know how to take a car completely apart. Put them back together. >> Okay. >> Um, he's taught me a lot of things in my life. He was a very cool guy. He'd help anybody he could in any type of way. >> Sounds like you. >> See where I get my trait from, >> right? >> Cuz my dad might get my ass a little bit. >> So, who do you most admire in life >> right now? Myself. >> Yourself? Why? >> Because I'm growing up and proud of myself. I've accomplished a lot of things. And what have you accomplished that you're so proud of? >> So far, I'm 25 months a clean of cutting. >> Oh, so you used to be a cutter? >> I used to. >> Okay. >> 25 months clean and this is the first time I can probably say all my scars are clear. >> Outstanding. That's outstanding. >> So, anything else you proud of yourself for? >> Just trying to be a better person and getting my life together. I'm 20 years old and I need to get it together. Homeless ain't the way to go. >> No. No, it's not. >> Tomorrow I'm going to fill out applications. >> Where? >> Anywhere. Every place that's open. >> Got it. >> So, >> okay. Who do you least admire in life? >> Nobody. I don't have hate for anyone. >> Nobody. >> Oh, actually, let me take that back. Steve. >> Steve. Steve Bails? >> Yeah. >> Why? >> Because he's got me in a situation where none of my family thinks I'm a [ __ ] killer. That's why. Okay. What is the best thing that's ever happened to you? >> [clears throat] >> I don't really even know. The best thing that's happened to me came first place in the derby. >> What kind of derby? >> Demolition derby >> at Moral Kai Fair. >> Where was that? >> Huh? >> Uh when was that? >> Two years ago. I ran the 98.3 Nash icon car. >> Outstanding. First time ever going in. First place winner. >> Did you ever Did you go in it last year, too? >> No, I will never go in again. >> Why is that? >> It's [ __ ] scary. >> Probably uh >> uh when you're sitting still and you look over and you got a car, you got 40 mph. It's a little scary. >> What's the worst thing that's ever happened to you? >> Cut my finger off. >> How'd you do that? >> With a knife. >> Why? >> Cutting an onion. Learning as a kid. It's the worst thing that's ever happened to me because onion juice inside of a finger is not fun. >> That hurts. >> How old were you? >> I was like six. Hurts. Not even word for that. >> Who was there to comfort you? >> My brother. >> Your brother. >> He even sewed my finger together till I got to the hospital. >> Okay. >> Do you use any illegal narcotics? >> No, I smoke marijuana, but they're not illegal. >> How do you smoke marijuana? Not often. When was the last time you smoked? And I don't care. I just can't smoke. >> Like two weeks ago. >> Two weeks ago. >> Somewhere around there. >> Do you smoke cigarettes? >> No. I killed my asthma. >> Have you used any alcohol medications or illegal drugs in the last 24 hours? No. >> No. Okay. In the last 24 hours, how many hours of sleep did you have? like three. >> About three. Why did you not get so Why did you just get 3 hours? >> Uh because I've been trying to find a way to get out of where I was and I finally got that way out and now I'm here talking to you. >> Okay. And what was your last full year of schooling? my last full year schooling. Lee Hall Academy um 20 2018 2017. >> What was that? What was the hall academy? >> It was at a Newport News Behavioral Health Center. >> So, was it post high school? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, was it considered college? >> Yeah, kind of like that. Making making up things you've missed. So, >> okay. You graduated from high school. graduated from Ohio. >> Okay. Did you get a GED or actually graduate from high school? >> Working on GED. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Studying. >> All right. Do you uh have a religion? >> No. >> No. Okay. Um so I know you got here. Tell me why are you here? How did you get here? >> To Shelby or to this police station? >> Uh well, you start where? Yeah. >> So Steve had went on his honeymoon. He knew that. Okay. >> We called you on the honeymoon. >> Y >> So we come back and we get to the house. The front door is boarded up and all the windows are boarded up. >> Got what? Got back to where? >> The apartments. Chestnut Hills. >> Okay. >> So you went on the honeymoon when >> when did we leave? >> An exact day. He got married on the 14th. We left the 15th. So, yeah, the 15th we left and we didn't get back till yesterday. >> So, you've been out of the area since the 15th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, you left And when you say they got married on the 14th, what month do you mean? >> February. >> February. So, you mean just this past month then? >> Okay. And you you left Monero on the 15th of February >> with them? Yes. >> Okay. And um who who's them? Stephen, Narina. Narina's his wife. >> So, it was just the three of you. >> Yes. >> And just out of curiosity, if they just got married, why are they bringing Bren Smith along? >> Because I was their driver. >> Okay. >> And why? You know, I'm just curious. Usually a honeymoon is kind of an intimate time for >> You know, I felt the same thing, >> but I know what it is. >> What's that? >> He knew I wanted to leave, so he brought me with him so I couldn't leave. Okay. >> Same thing with his daughter. She wanted to leave but could never leave. But now she got the chance to leave. Now she's on the streets. >> Who's his daughter? >> CeCe. Sierra. >> Sierra. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, got married on the 14th. What time did you leave on February 15th? >> I don't know. It was like 2:00 in the day. 1 or two >> in the afternoon. >> Yeah. ate lunch and packed up and got on the road. >> Okay. And what car were you in? >> The black one that's now spray painted blue. >> Okay. What kind of car was it? >> It's a black Dodge GT Journey. He spray painted it blue because he thinks you and your officers are after him. >> Okay. And when did he spray paint it blue? >> 3 days ago. >> He with actual spray paint. You went >> Yeah. like went and stole spray paint from Walmart. >> Which Walmart? >> It was in Florida. I don't know the name of it. >> Walmart, but I don't know like location. >> West Palm Beach is as much as I know. >> Okay. >> What time was he in Walmart? Uh where did he go at Walmart? >> It was like 8:00 at night. >> At night? >> Yeah. >> Okay. But he spray painted his his journey blue. >> Yeah. It's a bright I have a picture of it if you would like to see it. >> Um yeah, sure. Cuz when he did that, when it was done, I took pictures cuz that was just weird. >> He did that cuz he thought I we >> You and your officers are looking for him. >> It's exactly what he said. So, let me show you a quick video. Here was the car before when it was black. Okay. Okay, that's the car black. This is what it looked like. >> Let's see all the details, the blue markings all over it and everything. The grim stick around it. >> Now, it's this color. Half spray painted. >> Okay, sounds good. Okay, so you left February 15th, 1 or 2 in the afternoon. Where did you go? in the car. We went to Florida. >> He went to Florida. Yeah. Okay. So, where in Florida did she go? >> West Palm Beach. >> By the way, the whole time he was telling you that he was in Arizona and in Arkansas and in Texas and all that, that was a lie. >> Okay. >> He lied right to you. >> Okay. >> But I couldn't say anything to you because I was could have been hurt. Sure. So, >> okay. So, you went to West Palm Beach in Florida and where did you stay? >> Lomar Apartments. What are they called? Loggo Mar L A G O M A R. >> Okay. And um so you stayed there for from the 15th. Well, how long did it take you to get down there? >> It took us like 12 hours. >> 12 hours. >> Yeah, it was a straight drive. >> So you stayed in Logar Apartments. What did you uh did you rent them or did you know someone there or what? >> Steve's not Steve. Not Steve, but his wife. His sister owns an apartment there. >> His sister or his wife's sister? >> His wife's sister. >> Okay. His wife sister owns one of the apartments or rent. >> Yes. Rent. So we stayed there >> the whole time. >> Okay. >> When he told you he was hotel hopping, that was a lie. But I couldn't say that. >> Sure. Okay. So, what is uh his wife's sister name? >> Angel. Her last name? I don't know how to spell it. Facebook and P A P E N F U S is her last name. >> Papoose. >> Papoose. Okay. Is Angel nice woman? >> Yes. Okay. All right. So, you stayed with her the entire time? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what was a typical day then? So, I mean, you get down there on the the 16th, right? Or what? >> So, you left at 1 or 2 in the afternoon. So, that means you would have arrived at about 1 or 2 in the morning. >> Yeah. >> On the 16th. >> Yes. >> Okay. And you're you're sure about those dates? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, and so you arrived there and what happened then? We went to bed automatically which was 12-hour drive. Got up the next day. We went seen the beach. After that, went to the store, got towels, went back to the beach. Spent the whole day at the beach. Went back to the apartment. Next day, whole day at the beach. Literally every day was at the beach. That was their honeymoon. >> Okay. So you guys just spent the days at the beach >> literally. >> Okay. >> We went to West Palm Beach. We seen that one. And we seen Daytona Beach. >> Okay. >> Those are the only beaches we went to. But every day we were at a beach. >> And did you want to go? >> No. >> Why did you go? >> Because I was forced. >> And u and I'm not questioning you. I just need to understand what's going on. How were you forced? >> Forced as in if away. If I said no, I was possibly could have been hurt. >> Okay. How would you have been hurt? How was it understood that you'd be hurt? >> Because a long time ago, I asked him how would he feel if I left for a while and went and got a job and got my life together. Told me I wasn't allowed to do that. >> Okay. So from there for if I feel like if I left I would have been hurt because I wasn't allowed to do that, you know. >> So I just never left. But today he went to the gas station. I got my chance. I ran. >> Okay. So, you've been down there from February 15 uh 16th at about 1 or 2 in the morning and then all the way you till when? >> Yesterday. >> Yesterday. And how what route did you take to come home? Do you know? >> I can show it to you. I have to put in the addresses and everything. >> 75. >> It was 75. So, you took 75 all the way up. >> Yeah. Okay. And did you uh you drove up starting yesterday? >> Yeah. >> What time did you leave yesterday? >> Yesterday I left at like 3:00 in the morning. I didn't get back today. I don't know. Got back today at like 1 is when we arrived at the apartments and seeing that it was all boarded up. >> So 3:00 a.m. yesterday. So um what's the date today? Today is the >> Today's the 13th. >> Today's the 13th. So, you left 3:00 a.m. on the 12th. >> Yeah. >> And you drove straight through. >> Yeah. >> And you >> I mean, we stopped for gas and >> But I'm saying you didn't get out of the hotel or anything like that. And you arrived in Monroe at your apartment about what time? >> About 2 or 3 >> p.m. >> Yeah. And then the doors were locked. So, I asked him to take me here and this is where I'm at. >> Okay. So around 2 or 3 p.m. in Monroe, you s found that his apartment doors were boarded up or apartment doors boarded up. >> And was it just still you, Steve, and Marina? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And what was what was Steve's reaction when he found his door boarded up? >> Uh, he went the [ __ ] off. He was pissed. So >> he went what? >> He went off. He was pissed. >> What does to go off mean? >> Um, yelling, screaming, cussing all up and down the hallway. When he finally was outside the picnic table, calm down. I asked him if he'd take me somewhere where I could stay tonight. He said, "Fine, whatever." We got in the car. I directed him here cuz I was not giving him the address of where I was going. >> Okay. So, you arrived at 2 or 3:00 p.m. And then what happened? >> We left after he got pissed off. >> So, and he drove where? >> Here. >> He drove from 2 uh from about from >> all the way here to here. How long did that take you? >> It took him like an hour and a half. It's 2-hour drive. What was he steing? >> He was flying. >> Okay. He wasn't afraid of getting stopped or anything, >> I guess. Not >> so he came. >> I mean, he has all his cars tuned and boosted for I guess some sort of reason. >> Okay. So, so he drove you here to Shelby, Ohio. So, so if you left there, we'll even say you left there around 3:00. You said it took an hour and a half. So, that's 4:30. >> About an hour and a half, >> right? So, then what' you do in Shelby, Ohio? When he got to the BP over there, I took off. When he went inside and that door closed, I took off. >> Okay. >> And just >> yesterday. >> Today. >> So, where you said you arrived at the girl yesterday? >> Yeah. But I got here today. >> Okay. Well, that's what I want to make sure. So, it's okay. We had a little miscommunication there cuz I said, "What did you do when you arrived at 2 or 3 p.m. yesterday at 3200? >> What did you do then?" >> Yesterday. >> Yesterday. >> That was today. And we arrived today. Ah, so that that came here today. >> So yesterday, this morning at 3:00 a.m. on the road yesterday. >> Hang on. >> This morning at 3:00 a.m. I mean a few hours ago you left, right? So 15 hours ago, whatever it was, 16 hours ago you left. This morning? >> Yes. >> Okay. Cuz you said yesterday. I just want to be sure I understand you. >> What is today? 13th. >> Yes. >> So we left on the 11th then and we came home. We didn't go straight through. We went straight through, but we didn't go straight through. We hit every like thing you could think of. >> I just gas stations, everything. >> I just need to understand just so I know cuz again, I'm not questioning. I just have to understand. >> I just don't want to know. >> I get it. That's Let's clear them up. Right. So, you said you left originally yesterday. To me, that's the 12th when you say yesterday. And then you said today and now you said you left on the 11th. So, I just so I'm unclear. Which one is it? >> 11. >> So, you What time 11 did you leave? >> Same thing. So at roughly So you left on the 11th at about 3 in the morning. >> Okay. And where did you go? >> We went to his house 32. >> When did you arrive at his house? >> The same time I told you. >> That the 11th at uh 2 or 3 in the afternoon. >> Except day a day before. >> Two days ago. Yes. Yes. Okay. >> There you go. >> Okay. >> Now we're on the right page. >> Now we're on the right page. Okay. So, you arrived uh 2 or 300 p.m. at 3200. >> Yep. >> Okay. Then what happened? >> Forced me and his wife to stay in the car. >> Okay. And how did he force you? Again, I'm not questioning you. I just need one understanding. >> Forced as if like if you would have left, you could have possibly been hurt. I didn't want to take no chances. >> Does he control his wife like this too or is she uh >> everybody? >> Okay. Rosetta, Sierra, me, Nina. He controlled Caitlyn like that. When Kayla did live with him, he controlled her like that. >> Okay. >> The man The man goes for your money and your bridge cards and everything he can. >> Sounds like a bad deal. >> He goes for your He goes for personal identification. A fraud [ __ ] >> Okay. So, he forced you and his wife to stay in the car um with implied threats that you might be hurt. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we're still on the 11th about 3:00. He goes, he finds his apartment boarded up. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Super pissed. >> And where did you find out he was super pissed? >> When we walked into the apartments? >> So, you walked in cuz I And again, I want you to understand cuz he said he forced you to stay in the car. >> Well, we got out at the apartments because we thought we were going to go inside and unpack. >> Okay. >> That wasn't the case. >> Okay. >> And then, so when you see it boarded up, what did you do then? >> I didn't do nothing except stand there. He freaked the [ __ ] out. >> Okay. started kicking it. He made my [ __ ] house. Sure. >> All types of [ __ ] Finally went outside. I did not follow him. I was not getting close to that. >> Mhm. >> I gave it a minute. I sat at the door. I went outside when he 10 minutes later he's calmed down. I asked him to take me somewhere and now I'm here. >> Okay. By the way, this is your water. I meant to get it on here. So, um Okay. So, um, but this was on the 11th. Where did you go when you guys Cuz I don't understand when he forced you to stay in the car >> on So, when we left the apartments, we were forced to stay in the car with him after that. >> Like the whole time we had to ride with him wherever he went. >> So, so where did at 3:00 roughly p.m. you arrive at 3200 North Monroe 4 by 12? He discovers it's boarded up. He's mad. kick in the door. >> We left and went to his mom's. >> Okay. >> His mom is his little piggy bank. >> And where does his mom's mom live? >> Don't know the exact numbers of the house, but I know it's Steuart Road. It's the first brick house on the left right behind Big Lots. >> Okay. >> But I don't know the numbers of the house. >> Okay. And you stayed there? >> Yeah, in the car in the park in the driveway. Parking lot thing. >> In the driveway. Yeah. >> Okay. And you stayed. So we're still on the 11th. How long did you stay there? >> Uh all the way to all night. >> All day. >> So you spent the night, the day sitting in the car. >> Yeah, we slept in the car. >> Okay. So why didn't you guys go inside? >> Cuz there wasn't no room. >> And you're still in his blue journey at that point? >> Yeah, at this point it's blue. Yes. >> Okay. So you slept in the car all night. So now we're on the we're on the 12th yesterday. So what did you do yesterday? Yesterday we drove around all day like I told you in Monroe. Yep. His mom's a little piggy bank. Gives him gas money, food money, and all this, right? Even though he has everybody's in Monroe's Bridge. Don't make no sense. So, we drove around all day. Finally, I got sick of it and I said something. Look, I don't want to be in this car no more. I want my family. I want to be done. So, I asked to go somewhere. He took me somewhere and this is where he took me. By the time we got here, he pulled into the BP every time we get somewhere. >> Let me stop you. Sorry, I have to stop you because we're still yesterday. And you said you arrived today. So yesterday you said you drove around. >> I drove I wasn't done. We drove all around Monroe yesterday. >> Mhm. >> All around like all day. Okay. >> Mhm. >> Stayed the night again in the same spot. >> Slept in the car. So both days were the same. >> Okay. So you spent the night and then today you told him you want to go. What time did you tell him that? >> I told him that at about 7. >> We didn't 7:00 in the morning. >> Yeah. We didn't cuz we didn't we woke up at like 6:00 when the sun comes out cuz it's front windshield come right through. So I told Matt about 7:00. We didn't leave Monroe until I don't know. Wasn't paying attention that much. We left at 12:34 p.m. >> Yep. >> How do you know that? >> Cuz that's what time the text message was. I texted her, said, "I'm leaving now." >> Text her. Yeah. Meaning, uh, Brilland. >> Okay. So, you texted Brillin at 12:34. >> Said leaving now. >> And what time did you get here at then? >> We got here at like 1:45 2:00. >> So, we got to Shelby, Ohio today. 1:45, >> 2:00 or 2:00. >> He got in. When we got here, he usually tells me to come in everywhere he goes. Okay. This time he went into the gas station by himself. When he went in there, I ran blocks away, found an old stranger, a little old lady, asked to use her phone to call cops. Called the cops, and now this is the rest of my night that's been in here. Okay. You've had my last 5 days on your paper. Okay. And where did you run to? >> I don't remember. I don't even know the address. It was some ladies. They probably have it written down. It was just some old lady. I didn't know that. I just ran to her house, started banging on the door. >> Can I call the house? Can I call the cops? Can I just call the cops? >> She was like, "Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Here." And give me her house phone. >> Okay. All right. And then you got here. >> And they fed you, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. It does. I just want to be sure you >> I was very good. >> Something I didn't expect, but okay. >> So, um, anything else from that trip that's important? >> No. >> How did you eat? >> He fed me and her. >> Oh, what did he feed you? >> Whatever you wanted from a gas station cuz he has everybody's bridge card. >> So, it's gas station food. >> What What bridge cards did he use? And he I don't know which ones he used at which gas station. He has Narina's which is his wife's. He has his own which is his. He has Sierra's which is his daughters. He has Rosetta which is a whole different person that's not even related to him. >> Okay. >> And that's all. He has four bridgards. >> Four bricks. Okay. And so you guys for the past >> hold on. He has Rosetta's uh bank card too. like he was the payee at one point and they she gets like a $75 weekly thingy loaded on her card. He has that. >> Okay. So, for the past month, >> he's using that for gas. >> He's been You guys have been in Florida for the past month straight and you've been eating gas station food basically for bridge carts. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what would you >> When we were at her sister's house, they cooked. >> They cooked for you. >> Yeah. Like on the road, it was just gas station food cuz it's he didn't have no money. >> Okay. Okay. Anything else that's important from that trip for the past month? >> No. >> Did you guys ever come back to grow during that time? >> No. >> Okay. So, >> we're in Florida the whole time when he told you we're in Arizona and Arkansas. That was a lie. >> That was a [ __ ] lie. >> Okay. >> We were sitting in the apartments when he said that. >> So, why why did he lie to me? You think I was looking for him? >> Most likely. He thinks you guys were looking for him because he said he told me this is what he said to me. He said, "So, make this make sense. How are they gonna look for me? But they raid my apartment and board it up, but they're just looking for me. That don't make sense. >> That's what he said to me. >> Okay. >> I don't know. >> Okay. Um, do you know Kayla Saddowski? >> Yes. >> Okay. Tell me about her. >> Is my ex-girlfriend. >> Okay. >> Um, I lived with Steve for about four or five months. She was already living there when I came around. Christmas. Around Christmas time, he kicked her out for a little incident that they had. You got that part? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Ever since Christmas time, I haven't heard from her. Haven't seen her. >> Okay. So, you did you uh How long did you date her? >> I was only with her for like a couple weeks. It was more of just a hi, you know, get to know me. >> So, again, we kind of like what we talking about Brilland dating and >> Yeah. But this one got a little closer, but then we broke up. >> So, did you ever have sexual intercourse? >> No. >> Okay. So, when you say it got a little closer, what does that mean to you? >> As in we actually started dating. >> Okay. So, what does that mean though? >> Like I love you and all that type of stuff. >> Did you kiss her? >> No. >> We've never kissed. We hugged. >> You hugged? >> I'm a slow person. I don't know. >> That's There's nothing wrong with that. Um >> I want to know you're clean and everything. >> Understood. >> So, what does dating mean to you, though? Dating to me is two people who are in a relationship that have literally nothing but honesty and respect for each other. >> Okay. All right. So, describe Kayla for me. >> She was a very outgoing person. Um, I mean, she had her difficulties. She had a lot of enemies. Kind of sad to say, but she was hoe of the town at one point. >> Okay. I mean, she's been with her own cousins and everything, so >> Okay. >> She made She has a lot of enemies. I do know that. >> Was uh she easy to get along with. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> She mostly confronted you before you confront her. >> Okay. >> And that's with the hello, hi, how you doing? Whatever. >> Okay. So, um and then and I'm just going to ask this straight up. You know, a lot of people are saying that you're involved with her death. Is that true? Okay, >> that's why I'm here right now talking to you about that. >> So, if it were true, how do you think you'd feel about being interviewed right now? >> I'd be scared shitless. >> Okay. >> But I'm not because I have nothing to do with it. I want my name cleared. I don't want my aunt to think I'm a killer. >> Sure. >> No one would want that from their aunt, right? >> No. >> Especially trying to bump a relationship back up. >> So, you said tell me about the last time you saw her. >> Christmas Day. >> Christmas day. Tell me about that. Um, the last time I saw her was around 6:00 that day. Her and Steve had that incident. He took all their presents back. She left, slammed the door. I ain't seen her since. >> Tell me about the incident. >> I don't know. I wasn't in the room. It was just a bunch of yelling. >> Okay. >> Me and his daughter. >> You don't remember what they argued about? >> No, me and his daughter were staying in the living room at that point. >> Cuz I told you I smoked weed. I used to smoke weed with his daughter. So that's what we were doing when that whole incident happened. We were smoking. We weren't even paying attention to them. >> Okay. >> What caught me was the fact that she walked out of the door, slammed in, and said boom. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Exam shots. >> And when was the last time you talked to her >> that day? >> So, you didn't even talk to her on the phone? >> No. >> Have you communicated with her uh via FaceTime Messenger or she communicated with you via email or anything like that? No. >> Not a single time? >> No. Okay. >> I wouldn't want to anyways. I don't like talking to exes. You're an ex for a reason. >> Sure. Um, do you what phone number or numbers do you have for Kayla? >> I don't have anything. It was only Facebook. >> Facebook. Okay. What Facebook did she use when she was communicating to you? I know she was Kaitlyn Belinda Orchard, but she has like 40 different accounts. >> She has 40. >> If you look at it, she has so many accounts it's not even funny. >> Okay. All right. Um, have you you know the old boys facility? Don't even know. Okay. Have you ever been there at all? >> No. >> Okay. Have you heard of Boyy'sville? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> There's a story there's a documentary about it on Netflix. >> Okay. Is there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um a recent one or an old one? >> It's very old. >> Okay. But uh >> when the place was still like going for like juvenile boys. >> Got it. But you've never been there? >> No. >> Okay. All right. >> I've seen it. You drove by it. I mean, I lived by it. I've seen it. I've never been there. >> Okay. What can you tell me about uh Kayla's death? >> Nothing I don't know. >> Pardon me? >> Nothing that I don't know except the videos that I have. The only thing I know about her death is that she was shot twice. And why? >> Okay. Why was she Why do you think she was shot twice? >> Because apparently she threatened the girl's son that did it. I have it on video. That's why I said I Let's watch the video. This is This is where your money is. I know you guys heard, 16 >> 16 people >> for my dad. >> What? That's crazy. >> And you see I have never been to jail for it. >> So that's one. >> She's killed 16. I love that person. >> How long? >> How many people? >> How many? >> I know you didn't say I heard, right? >> 16. >> 16 people >> for my dad. Apparently she spent 16. >> How the [ __ ] do I want to know? I'm not not that person. I'm not that person. That's [ __ ] How many people? >> Right. And this is where she admits it. Did you hear me? >> What? >> I forgot to tell you that. >> What? >> Let's Can we start this again? Cuz >> I was just trying to >> It's okay. No, I appreciate I just want to I want to hear this. So, cuz you've been waiting to show this to us. >> Babe, did you hear me? >> What? You >> what? I'm in the bathroom. >> What was the last thing she said? >> This isn't my first time going through this. That's why I'm trying to get you to [ __ ] listen to what I'm telling you to do. >> How do you think I got away from those 16 others? 16 other people. >> Yeah. >> First, >> baby, did you hear me? >> What? >> Any others? >> Okay. Explain why. Let me question here. >> Did you hear me? >> What? >> That's a Okay. So, that's Keelin. What's your last name? >> Ramsay. >> Okay. Keyn Ramsey is talking. And who's recording that? >> Steve. I was asking her a question. >> So, you were the one interviewing her on all those videos? You're the >> All those. Okay. >> Did she give you any information above and beyond what she gave you on that? >> That's all it was. >> Okay. >> That's why it was recorded for you guys. >> Was that edited in any way? >> No. So when we have our computer guys analyze it, they're not going to show us edit it. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. >> You would like to. >> Okay. >> I can send them to you if you'd like on messenger. >> Okay. Well, yeah, definitely. We'll get there. So, >> cuz I sent them to Jessica, the Fox News lady. >> Mhm. We're Yep. We're aware of that. >> She has them, too. So, um, was Steve Bales involved in her, uh, this at all? >> I don't know. That's that's the thing. I don't know. He says he wasn't, but that's what he says. But it's hard to believe someone that says something like that when they threaten people before. Okay. >> But you don't know if he was involved or not. >> No, I don't know. Okay. All right. Okay. So, now I know you said you've never been to Boyville. Um, you know, obviously we have a lot of a lot of ways we can track people and I pro and we probably know a lot more about you than you realize and including your, you know, your um whereabouts in the past month, etc., etc. Um, is there any reason at all when that's pinged or anything uh is pinged, it's going to show that you were at boy stole the night that she was uh killed? >> Ping if you please. >> Okay. Is there any reason that's going to show that you were there? >> No. >> Okay, that's why I'm here. Ping if you please. Analyze if you please. >> Okay. Do you um own any weapons? >> No, I don't. >> No. I used to own a pocket knife. I ain't even got it no more. How did that conversation come about? She was acting very very funny and I was uncomfortable in the living space that I was at. >> Where were you at when you were recording that? >> We were far away in Florida. >> So you were in Florida. When was that reported? >> In Florida. >> Where? At the apartment. >> Yeah. >> So you say she was acting very funny. What does that mean? Like how did you figure out she was acting funny? >> Because before we left she was at even at the wedding she was the DJ, but she was not right. Nothing was right about her that day or the day before. She was always shaking, pacing back and forth. She never used to do that. She was an always quiet person. Out of nowhere, she's always shaky. Constant pacing. Won't sit down. >> At the wedding, she was shaking and pacing. >> Won't sit down. Nothing. >> Okay. >> So again, >> I was uncomfortable. >> Who was she? Where was she living? Uh around the time we went and with us. with you >> at 3200. >> Yep. >> Okay. But she didn't go with you when you left on the 15th. >> No, she stayed She's still in Michigan somewhere. >> Okay. >> Cuz Steve had kicked her out when we found out. >> Okay. When we when we got the call that Kayla was dead and found and everything, we kicked her out because we had that video. We knew she did it. >> Okay. So, you had that video before Caleb was found? >> The day before. The day before. >> Okay. So, but I guess I I'm explain to me how this conversation came up like um and you have these few clips. Was that all one conversation? >> Yeah, that's a one phone call. >> Just out of curiosity, why wasn't he just recording the whole time? >> If he was here, I'd have you ask him because I don't know. >> Okay. So, you have three question. There's nothing edited out because I can tell you I was the one who was interviewing her. >> That's fine. >> So that but what was the you know why were you talking to her in the first place? >> Because I was not comfortable where I was living. If I'm going to go back I want to make sure I'm comfortable. So I was interviewing where I'm living cuz I don't want to be unsafe. >> You mean when you go back to 3200? >> 3200. >> But the body hadn't been found yet. Right. >> Right. >> Okay. So, what prompted that? >> This was days before she was been acting weary. >> Okay. But what prompted that phone conversation? >> Cuz I was uncomfortable. >> No, I know. But I I guess you can be uncomfortable. What? Tell me. Take me from start to finish how that you know, even what's not recorded. What was going on in that phone conversation? >> You've seen it? >> Well, I've seen snippets of it, but I'm trying to understand what from start to finish, what prompted you to call her? Did you call her? >> I called her. >> Okay. Tell me about that phone conversation. So, I called her and I'm a blunt person. I don't give a [ __ ] I don't have no filter. >> I called her and said, "Look, we're going to have a talk and you're going to tell me the truth and this going to be it." >> So, it went kind of something like that. And then we started talking. I started asking questions >> like what? >> How you been? She started normal. Sure. Started very normal, like a normal conversation. How you been? Good. How are you? I'm awesome. And we started digging deeper. So, how's why how's life? She said it's okay. She never used to say that. If you ask her how was life, she'd say awesome because her kid apparently life was always awesome. Now, she never used to act different. So, when she started acting different, I had asked her about that. Why have you been acting funny? Why have you been different? What has changed? I am not comfortable. Then Steve started recording and then this is where these questions came from. When I seen he pressed record, I started asking deeper questions. Okay. So if you're shaking, why? Why? And then she said it because I killed Kayla. It's not my first. 16 others for my dad. >> Did she say because I killed Kayla or did she talk about killing other people first? >> She talked about the other people first. She said, "I've killed 16 people for my dad." And then she said in a different Kayla is not my first. >> Okay. Well, but so how how long had you been in Florida before you called her? >> We were in Florida for like we had just arrived. So 40 minutes took us to unpack the car. So I'd say about an hour and then the phone call had erupted. >> So the phone call what? >> The phone call erupted. We started. So, you had just gotten to Florida. >> You left at You left at 3:00 in the morning. >> Yeah. >> And arrived about 12 hours later. And the the first thing you did was call Caitlyn. >> Yeah. Cuz we let them know we were there. >> Okay. And then because you were a you felt she was acting strangely and you wanted to be comfortable where you live when you get back, you started asking probing questions. Is that >> Exactly. >> Okay. All right. And that prompted her to >> admit what she did. >> Admit what she did. Did you know Kayla was dead at that point? >> No. I thought Kayla was still alive. I thought she was living with her friend TJ like she said she was when she left. >> Okay. >> I'm going to go stay with my friend TJ. [ __ ] you. That's what she said to Steve on her way out. >> If I thought that's where she would be. >> Okay. >> Apparently not. >> Now, did you believe her when she said she killed 16 people? >> No. I don't I wouldn't believe anybody who said that because that's just outrageous. >> Okay. Did you believe her when you she said that she killed Kayla? >> No. Cuz who would do that? >> Okay. >> That's just [ __ ] up. Like I said in the video, that's [ __ ] >> And how did she say that she uh killed them? >> She said that she k them >> or Kayla. >> She said she killed Kayla because at church one night, apparently Kayla threatened her son. How how did she say she killed him? >> She said on the video that she shot her twice and then she threw the gun in the river. What river? [ __ ] If I know. If I could tell you, I would. That question didn't come to mind. >> All right. Did she say give any other details about the scene? the her friend took her in a white van and she said something else in that video and took her over there and then I asked her, "Did your friend know what you were going to do or doing if you were doing anything or anything?" She said, "No." Okay. >> So, the only details she provided was that she shot her twice, her friend took her in a white van. >> Yeah. >> And she threw the gun in the river. Did she give you any other details? >> No, that's all I have right there for you. >> Okay. Do you know any other details? >> No. If I did, I'd let you know. >> Okay. >> I even got your number. So, if I find any more details, I'll let you know. >> Okay. Um, so, and you're saying you were not responsible or involved in any way at all? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Why wouldn't you be involved in killing Kayla? >> Uh, because number one, I'm not a killer. Number two, that's [ __ ] up. And I've lost both of my parents, so I know how it is to live lose a loved one, so I wouldn't take one from somebody. >> Does that make sense? >> Mhm. Okay. It goes, that's the same thing said to the other guy. >> Okay. If you had been involved in her death, would you tell us? >> Mhm. >> Yep. Found his version. I'm sure anybody anybody involved in death wouldn't turn their own self in. That would be stupid. >> Okay. >> So, >> sure. So, um the Is there any other details that anyone's told you about this death? >> No, that's all I have for you? What I've given you is everything I have. >> Okay. >> Like I said, if I come across more, if I find more, you're the first one to know. >> Okay. And what do you think should happen to the person that that person or person that are involved in her death? Uh, Kaitlin needs to go to jail so my family stopped thinking I'm a killer. >> Okay. >> It's kind of hard to build a relationship with my aunt when she thinks when she doesn't know what's going on. She believes that it's not me cuz she knows I wouldn't do something like that. But she wants to know the actual truth. Obviously Kayn needs to be arrested. She's not killed just one. 16 more. That makes 17. She's never been to jail like she said. Sure. >> Okay. Would it be reasonable that a person that has killed 16 people would be shaking and acting differently after killing the 17th? >> I have no clue. >> You don't know? >> I don't I wasn't with her when she's killed her first 16. >> Sure. >> So, I don't know how she was. >> Okay. And do you know what a polygraph exam is? >> Yes. >> Would you be willing to take a polygraph exam to prove that you were not involved? >> No problem. >> Okay. How do you think you'll do? >> Good. Pass. >> Good. Okay. Is everything you've told me today the truth? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Do you have regarding before we move on, do you have any other questions regarding the video or anything like that? >> No. When how were you talking to her on the video? Was that through Facebook Messenger? >> No, it was Steve's face uh FaceTime on his iPhone before he shut him off. He shut his phones off because he thought that the police were going to tap him. So, he shut all his phones off. >> Okay. But when you were talking to It was on his phone. >> That was the first time you heard about Kayla. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> At that situation. >> And you don't know who she would have been was in a white van? >> No, I don't know. White man. Nope. I know there's a white van that's always parked outside the apartments, but there's a Mexican guy that's always in it. So, I obviously know what I am. >> Okay. Okay. Do you own a white van? >> No. He owns a black journey and a black car that's all towed. >> Okay. All right. Is there any No. Um, we got some information that you actually been um had been dating Kayla more recently than Christmas. Is that true at all? >> Yeah. >> No, >> I haven't talked to her since Christmas. >> Okay. Now, um, have you talked to uh, Delisa Rice recently? >> Delisa Rice? She was at the wedding. >> Yeah. Have you talked to her since then? >> No, not since then. She was at the wedding though. Now, and I'm just asking, would it surprise you to know that she recorded a conversation that you had with her? >> No. >> Okay. Are you familiar with what conversation I'm talking about? >> No. >> Okay. Um, there's a conversation where you're talking to her and you talk about being at the scene of the um of the boys. >> Me? >> Mhm. >> Can I see this? >> I I don't have it with me right now, but >> I'd like to see that. Okay. >> Cuz I was >> So are you denying that you had that conversation with her? >> Yeah, because I was never there. >> Okay. Um, so another Would it surprise you to know that there um has a video of you picking up Kayla and then um on around the 15th in uh the Mercury? Would that surprise you? >> No, cuz I don't drive the Mercury. >> You don't? Have you ever driven the Mercury? >> One time. >> When was that? I did a donut and it up north. >> Okay. You did donut up north. So you've never driven that Mercury any other time? >> No. Okay. If I were to tell you that your aunt Karen has given me intimate details about the scene at Boy'sville that she got from you. What would you say about that? >> I'm going to tell you that you're lying because I told my aunt literally everything. I'd get her on the phone for that. You want to get her on the phone now? >> She'll answer. >> Hey. >> Hi, Mom. >> Yep. Care if I put you in the video so you can talk to him? >> Sure. >> Hi, Karen. How are you? >> I'm good. How are you? >> Outstanding. Hey, we're just here with Brien. We're going over some stuff and um we had talked about that. I had mentioned that we you and I had talked and I'd gotten some details about the crime from Bin. Do you remember that? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, um so you can tell him now that I'm not lying cuz he just said I would be lying. So, um I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Okay. We we'll uh can we shut the video down now? >> Yeah. I would like to know what was said though. >> Okay. We'll we'll talk about that here in a second. Thank you, Karen. I appreciate it. >> Okay. >> Love you, mama. >> Okay. Okay. So, now you know I'm not lying. Okay. So, so um just so cuz I'm I'm not going to lie to you. Here's the deal. >> When we got here, >> right, >> um I first thing I told you is I I want you to just be straight up with me. >> And I am being straight up with you. >> So, um when I what I'm going to do with you though, I'm not going to lie to you. >> Yeah. Right. So, if I tell you So, here's the deal. Here's the deal. If I tell you that I had a conversation with your aunt, >> right? >> Right. I'm not going to lie about it. >> Right. >> Right. Cuz if I do have a conversation, but about the scene, I was not there. So, >> help me understand >> that cuz I was not there. >> Okay. >> I was at home smoking with Steve's daughter. >> Okay. >> At at you at home smoking with Steve's daughter when? >> Every night. We smoked every night together. I would never left the house. You weren't allowed to leave. Like I told you, >> okay? >> You're not allowed to leave the house. You live there, you're not allowed to leave. Your food stamps is his. All your shit's his. If you're there, you're done. >> Okay. >> You step foot in, it's over with. >> Okay. >> Count your life as his. >> All right. When this is all said and done, how do you think the results of this investigation are going to come out on you? >> On me? >> Free. >> Free. Okay. Bin David Wesley Smith was originally charged with first-degree homicide and conspiracy to commit homicide in the 2023 Monroe County, Michigan case involving the death of Kayla Saddowski. On April 2nd, 2024, he entered a no contest plea to seconddegree murder. On May 30th, 2024, he was sentenced to 40 to 60 years in prison. Under Michigan law, he becomes eligible for parole consideration after serving the minimum term. As of the most recent verified public information, he remains incarcerated in the Michigan Department of Corrections.